On Sunday’s "Face the Nation" on CBS, host Bob Schieffer aksed in his commentary at the end of the show: "Have we helped our cause with the rest of the world when they come to believe we have sunk to using the tactics of those who oppose us?" Speaking in reference to the recent news that the CIA destroyed videotapes of the interrogations of terrorists, which some believe may have involved water boarding, Schieffer began his rant by invoking the name of the great liberal icon, Edward R. Murrow (video available here):
Finally today, Edward R. Murrow was one of the first to understand the power of worldwide communications, but it was the message, not the power to reach so many people, that concerned him...I thought about that as we learn more about the C.I.A.'s use of what our own Army and the Geneva Conventions define as torture and how officials destroyed evidence when a federal judge demanded tapes of the interrogation episodes.
What "evidence" was destroyed? What crime was committed? Schieffer does not say, but went on to condemn: "Is that our message to the world? That we are a government of laws except when it is inconvenient?" However, Schieffer had a somewhat more cavalier attitude toward the rule of law when Bill Clinton was facing indictment in 1998: "I have no idea what the president plans to tell the grand jury or what, if anything, he intends to tell the rest of us, but whatever he says, let's hope it's enough to bring this story to some kind of conclusion because, frankly, I've heard about enough."
Schieffer also explained how U.S. security rests not on our defenses, but rather, on whether or not we are popular:
...what was done in the name of security has greatly harmed security. Weapons keep our enemies at bay, but our real security rests on whether the rest of the world comes to share our values or the values of those who oppose us.
Finally, in order to further shame the United States for supposed "torture," Schieffer concludes his tirade by asking: "Is this what we want the world to know about us? More importantly, is it what we want our children to know?"
Here is the full transcript of the December 9, 2007 commentary segment:
BOB SCHIEFFER: Finally today, Edward R. Murrow was one of the first to understand the power of worldwide communications, but it was the message, not the power to reach so many people, that concerned him. His biographer, Alexander Kendrick, said that like Thearou nearly a century before him, Murrow asked himself whether Maine had anything to say to Texas. And when he became head of the U.S. Information Agency, whether the United States had anything to say to the rest of the world. Murrow concluded the answer was yes.
I thought about that as we learn more about the C.I.A.'s use of what our own Army and the Geneva Conventions define as torture and how officials destroyed evidence when a federal judge demanded tapes of the interrogation episodes. Is that our message to the world? That we are a government of laws except when it is inconvenient? If so, then what was done in the name of security has greatly harmed security. Weapons keep our enemies at bay, but our real security rests on whether the rest of the world comes to share our values or the values of those who oppose us. And whether all people are better served by a government of laws or what someone decides the law ought to be at some particular moment.
Have we helped our cause with the rest of the world when they come to believe we have sunk to using the tactics of those who oppose us? When we no longer can be trusted to practice what we preach. Is this what we want the world to know about us? More importantly, is it what we want our children to know?
That's it for us. We'll see you next week right here on "Face the Nation."
Here is the full transcript of the August 8, 1998 commentary segment:
BOB SCHIEFFER: During the 1976 presidential campaign, Jimmy Carter caused an uproar when he told Playboy magazine that, on occasion, he had lust in his heart. He stressed he had never acted on this impulse, but since the Bible told him it was sinful, he said he regretted it.
Democrats cringed, Republicans hooted. I can still remember a one-time governor from the Old South bringing a crowd to its feet as he thundered, 'They say tell it all, but I don't believe I'd have told that.' Well, it all died down, and Carter went on to win the presidency, of course, but how quaint it all seems now.
A little lust in the heart is pretty tame stuff in this summer of Monica Lewinsky. Just the other day when I called the CBS News desk to see what was going on, a colleague I've known for years joked that she wasn't sure she knew me well enough to discuss what was on the front page of The New York Times, an account of how the president's advisers were debating whether a certain kind of sex play qualified as sexual relations.
That's what has always set this story apart, it only gets worse. I have no idea what the president plans to tell the grand jury or what, if anything, he intends to tell the rest of us, but whatever he says, let's hope it's enough to bring this story to some kind of conclusion because, frankly, I've heard about enough.
—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.





















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Three things
December 11, 2007 - 14:30 ET by Prester John1) These terrorist thugs are not protected by the Geneva Convention. They're lucky they don't get shot on the spot as spies/guerillas.
2) Unlike the Jihadists, our people don't torture for the pure fun of it.
3) If the terrorists tell us what we want to know, there is no need to take "extreme" measures. That is of course unless you think these thugs have the 5th Amendment protection against self-incrimination and have the "right" not to tell us what we want to know.
"Schieffer concludes his
December 11, 2007 - 14:39 ET by ckc1227"Schieffer concludes his tirade by asking: "Is this what we want the world to know about us?"
That's the difference between you and me, Bob. I'm more concerned about American lives than I am about what foreigners think about us. Anyone who thinks it's okay to sacrifice American lives for the sake of world opinion should get the hell out of this country.
Speak softly and carry a big stick
December 11, 2007 - 15:22 ET by pocomocoSchieffer concludes his tirade by asking: "Is this what we want the world to know about us? More importantly, is it what we want our children to know?"
Your damn right Schieffer!
We want world to know that although the US ‘speaks softly’, no one should be fooled by it because we have a number of ‘big sticks’ at our disposal.
As for our children; they need to know that the US has the capabilities to defend itself and is not afraid to use them.
I agree
December 11, 2007 - 16:19 ET by celatorI want the islamic terrorists to be so terrified of us, so petrified of our power to wipe them off the face of the earth forever, that they won't even dare to think of attacking us again. I want them to have sweaty nighmares about us, I want them to think we are on the verge of turning them into ashes. I want them to imagine Bush holding his finger right above a red buttom that reads "Destroy them".
Sometimes....
December 11, 2007 - 16:32 ET by Prester John...I think one of the reasons that we haven't been hit again is because of what happened after 9/11. Is it possible that what we did in Afghanistan and Iraq was so much more than they thought we'd do that they figure it isn't worth hitting us again unless it was with the "big" one?
Besides, they have the Dems and the MSM Fifth column conducting their propaganda campaign for them.
Yes and another reason...
December 11, 2007 - 17:00 ET by celator"Is it possible that what we did in Afghanistan and Iraq was so much
more than they thought we'd do that they figure it isn't worth hitting
us again unless it was with the "big" one?"
Yes, I think that played a big role in their decision to lay a bit low.
I have a theory that another reason they haven't done more damage on-the-ground in this country (as they have in other countries) is that they know many many of us are armed, have had military experience, and will unhesitantly blow their heads off if they try to come into our homes. Shoot first and ask questions later. Thank God for the 2d Amendment.
"The sainted Edward R.
December 11, 2007 - 15:31 ET by nythatesusa"The sainted Edward R. Murrow, it turns out, gave television advice to Adlai Stevenson in 1956, according to the new biography Murrow: His Life & Times by A.M. Sperber." - Morton Kondracke, in a letter to The New York Review of Books, June 12, 1986.
You got this one wrong, Bob.
December 11, 2007 - 15:32 ET by OldSailor88If we "had sunk to using the tactics of the terrorists," we would cut their heads off and post the video on YouTube.
The question is; have
December 11, 2007 - 15:33 ET by mattmThe question is; have Schieffer and his MSM cohorts sunk to the level of Pravda-style propaganda?
The answer is yes. (er, well maybe they haven't really sunk to it, it's just standard practice)
"...what was done in the
December 11, 2007 - 15:44 ET by MightyMouth"...what was done in the name of security has greatly harmed security. Weapons
keep our enemies at bay, but our real security rests on whether the
rest of the world comes to share our values or the values of those who
oppose us."
Who writes this stuff for Schieffer? What a load of crap!!
So now we are supposed to change our "values" to match the "rest of the world"? And on what basis does he say that security has been harmed? Hello! No more attacks since 9/11 !! The "world" is scared sh*tless to pull anything and that's the way I like it!
Sheeesh!!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Glad to see Bob Schieffer
December 11, 2007 - 16:17 ET by fitzfongGlad to see Bob Schieffer finally admit to using terrorist tactics...it's called propaganda.
Schieffer's folly
December 11, 2007 - 17:09 ET by pocomocoThere is a mindset in liberalism that says: ‘we want the world to love us’.
World love seems to be a predominant theme with liberals. Wasn’t that what Woodstock was all about – PEACE, LOVE, and DRUGS? ‘Give peace a chance’, they sang.
But, love and peace are hard to come by when the other guy is beating you over the head or cutting it off.
It’s obvious that those bent on world domination don’t give a damn about peace and love, and consider those who do as being the weakest of the weak, because they will be the first to capitulate.
And since when are we supposed to “share our values with the world” when it is our values that make us unique and who we are?
Is Schieffer suggesting that the world be made up of 120 United States, or Russias, or Irans?
Those who want the world to love us are fools. I want the world to be afraid of us! Only then will the world respect us.
Liberalism is a mental illness and those who have it are bereft of any common sense.
Uhhh......I thought the
December 11, 2007 - 18:05 ET by usinkoreaUhhh......I thought the terrorist didn't destroy tapes....
....I'm pretty sure they upload them to Islamic You Tube sites and such as recruitment videos for other Jihadists....???
Sunk to the Level of the Terrorists?
December 11, 2007 - 19:06 ET by Wildcatter1980When did we start publicly beheading al Qaeda, Hezbollah or other terrorists? Did we hijack commercial airliners and crash them into high rises in Tehran overnight and killing a bunch of innocent Iranians in the process? Or, was it Syria?
Bob, is there something you're not telling us?
Just my $0.02
"...when they come to
December 11, 2007 - 20:32 ET by Chris Norman"...when they come to believe we have sunk to using the tactics of those who oppose us?"
And the media accuse conservatives of resorting to exaggeration and simplification. This old goat needs to retire, along with Andy Rooney, and make room for some fresh liberal biased young turks...
Scheiffer...
December 11, 2007 - 20:41 ET by LionKingHe is just bitter because Katie got the job instead of him.
He thought he actually had a chance?
December 11, 2007 - 20:47 ET by Chris NormanFor Pete's sake, he's a contemporary of Cronkite. I'm surprised he doesn't have to host Face the Nation from bed.
Have we helped our cause
December 11, 2007 - 20:52 ET by MrShyHave we helped our cause with the rest of the world when they come to believe we have sunk to using the tactics of those who oppose us?
Um... close, old, out-of-touch talking head, but allow me to re-word what you really mean:
Have we in the mainstream media -- who are completely liberal-biased and terrorist/radical muslim-appeasing -- helped our cause with the rest of the world when they come to believe we hate our own country and the western way of life just as those who oppose us do?
.... and the answer is, NO, you haven't helped our cause at all (obviously.) Quite the opposite -- and it's disgusting.
"Are ZZ TOP part of the Taliban?? Think on it, son."
-- Professor TP&C (Talking Points & Cheetos)
Mr Shy, newsbustier, which of these
December 12, 2007 - 00:12 ET by professor truthstatements made by Hagel do you take issue with:
, Hagel compared the Iraq War to Vietnam and openly mocked Vice President Dick Cheney's assertion that the Iraqi insurgency was in its "last throes."[6]
In November 2005, Hagel made a much-publicized statement: "To question your government is not unpatriotic — to not
question your government is unpatriotic." This was in reference to the
increasing amount of debate surrounding the Iraq War, and his assertion
that the United States should withdraw its troops.
In December 2005, in reference to Bush, the GOP, and the PATRIOT Act, Hagel made a much-publicized statement: "I took an oath of office to the Constitution, I didn't take an oath of office to my party or my president."[7]
And, fortunately in January
December 12, 2007 - 00:15 ET by fitzfongAnd, fortunately in January of 2009, Chuck Hagel will be taking no oath whatsoever. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
ACK!
December 12, 2007 - 00:17 ET by candanceFitz, you made me laugh so hard I coughed! Please, tell us how you really feel!!
Careful now, candace. It's
December 12, 2007 - 00:21 ET by fitzfongCareful now, candace. It's getting a little late in the evening for you to be coughing out there. It's still early here on the "Left" Coast. ;-)
I just love it
December 12, 2007 - 00:19 ET by candanceI love how all Republicans are liars and crooks - until they criticize George Bush, and then they're saints.
Shy!
December 12, 2007 - 00:16 ET by candanceYou've been on here all this time and haven't dropped by to say hello to me? I thought we were friends. *trudges off to a corner and sniffs, looking demurely at Shy*
Candance!
December 12, 2007 - 00:32 ET by MrShyWait, I've definitely responded to a post or two of yours today... or did you mean a PM?
And ACTUALLY, FYI, a lot of your debating has been on that Montana Hannah Banana thread, but it's so long now that it crashes my browser :( so that's why I haven't been chipping in with that unmistakable Shy wit :p
Oh, and some good news regarding "wink wink" but I'll know more in the next couple of days :)
"No wonder I turned out so amazingly amazing."
-- Leon (Robin to Professor TP&C's Batman)
Tactics of Terrorists
December 12, 2007 - 17:38 ET by allanfIf the left winger from Texas wants to understand the tactics of terrorists, he should view the Daniel Perl video. It is not a pretty sight.