CBS Honors ‘Nobel Laureate’ Carter, Who Hails His Relations with Dictators

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By Kyle Drennen | October 9, 2007 - 16:46 ET

On Tuesday’s CBS "Early Show," host Harry Smith interviewed former president Jimmy Carter, who he introduced as "Nobel Peace Prize Laureate President Jimmy Carter." Smith then proceeded to launch into a discussion about Iran citing an "an exhaustive investigative piece in the New Yorker...by Sy [Seymour] Hersh." Apparently Harry and ‘Sy’ are good buddies. Smith described how Hersh’s article "chronicles the building up, the drum beats of the potential of war with Iran" and asked Carter: "Is there a best way to find peace with Iran?"

Asking the president who oversaw the disastrous Iranian hostage crisis how to deal with Iran is like asking the dictator of Sudan how to bring about an end to the genocide in Darfur. Oh wait, Carter has talked to the Sudanese tyrant about that very issue:

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HARRY SMITH: You're working with Richard Branson's group, this group called "The Elders," Desmond Tutu, Nelson Mandela, on the ground. You talked to [Sudanese leader Omar al] Bashir, al Bashir?"

JIMMY CARTER: "Oh, yes, several times, I've known Bashir since he was a colonel."

SMITH: "Does he get it?"

CARTER: "Oh, yes. He's quite aware, he's quite knowledgeable. He's now been the leader of the country for 18 years. He is intimately involved in everything that goes on there. He's a very intelligent person."

The discussion of Sudan was prompted in the second part of the interview following a question by Smith about Carter’s diplomatic efforts: "Were you unhappy with the way the Clinton Administration picked up on the seed work, the tilling of the soil that you did in some of those trouble spots?" Don’t worry, Smith never wandered too far away from the Clinton camp: "If Hillary Clinton were to end up in the White House, do you think she would do a better job vis-a-vis some of the work that you've done and her receptiveness to it?"

Another diplomatic misadventure that Carter touted to Smith was his visit to North Korea:

But in the case of North Korea, I did get finally approval from Bill Clinton to go to North Korea, but after I had been invited for three years to go and try to ease the tension there. We worked out a deal where North Korea gave up its nuclear program for the time being, which later President Clinton adopted as his own policy, which is very good.

Given North Korea’s development of a nuclear program after Carter’s "deal," one has to wonder what kind of fertilizer he used to "till" that "soil."

Here is the full transcript of the interview:

7:00 AM SEGMENT:

HARRY SMITH: "First, though, joining us this morning a news maker in his own right, Nobel Peace Prize Laureate President Jimmy Carter. Mr. President, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice spoke with us, many of us, at CBS News, just a week or so ago, and she said the most dangerous country in the world right now is Iran. There's an exhaustive investigative piece in the New Yorker about a week ago by Sy Hersh. He chronicles the building up, the drum beats of the potential of war with Iran. Just yesterday, General Petraeus in Iraq said that the Iranian ambassador to Iraq, he claims, is a member of the Alquds force, the special forces Iranian National Guard. Is there a best way to find peace with Iran? Is it diplomatic, or is it military?"

JIMMY CARTER: "Well, it's definitely diplomatic. Even after the Shah was deposed, I quickly restored diplomatic relations with Iran. As a matter of fact, that's been proven by the fact I had about 60 diplomats in Iran, as you know in Tehran--"

SMITH: "Held hostage."

CARTER: "And they had an equal number in Washington, so we were continuing to try to communicate with them and work with them. And I think that now, with increasing evidence, that Iran is a dangerous and unpredictable country, the best thing to do is to have a maximum diplomatic relationship."

SMITH: "You agree, though, that they are dangerous and unpredictable."

CARTER: "Well, they're potentially dangerous, and they're certainly unpredictable, yes. But I think that if we could find some way to communicate directly with them, to reassure their fears that we might attack them, which is constantly a drum beat out of Washington, maybe deliberately from the administration or inadvertent, Sy Hersh has written three or four articles in the New Yorker, I haven't read the latest one, but he's always maintaining that the United States is preparing to attack Iran. They read those articles and they see all the other news, and if they feel they're going to be attacked, then I think that's one incentive for them to be more militant. So I think to assuage their fears and to tell them the truth about our intentions would be very helpful."

SMITH: "But it seems to me that we've done a pretty clear job of letting our intentions be known, yet they remain recalcitrant at best. Is military, is a military strike an option?"

CARTER: "I don't think so, not at this early stage, and I don't think that anybody in the administration has maintained openly that that is a present option. Every indication I've heard from Condoleezza Rice or President Bush has been we want to resort to diplomatic means to -- as thoroughly as we possibly can before we would consider military strikes. So I think a military strike against Iran at this time would be completely unnecessary and counterproductive. Iran is a different proposition from what Iraq was when we attacked Iraq. It wouldn't be an easy thing to invade Iran. And where would we get the troops? We don't have enough troops for Iraq, where would we get them from?"

SMITH: "Right."

CARTER: "And I don't think we'd have any other nation in the world that would join us in any sort of military venture against Iran. So, diplomacy is the best approach."

SMITH: "Alright Mr. President, great to have you with us this morning. We're going to have a lot more with President Jimmy Carter, just a little bit later on this morning. Thank you so much."

CARTER: "Thanks, Harry."

7:30 AM SEGMENT:

SMITH: "We return now live with President Jimmy Carter, who has a brand-new book out. It is called "Beyond the White House." And I want to talk about this book, because I was reading it last night, and I got the sense that you went -- in the Carter sense, went on so many of these diplomatic missions, sort of outside of the purview of the government. You're in Haiti. You're in Bosnia."

CARTER: "North Korea."

SMITH: "North Korea. Were you unhappy with the way the Clinton Administration picked up on the seed work, the tilling of the soil that you did in some of those trouble spots?"

CARTER: "Well, I have had a policy, since the Carter Center was formed, of not going into a very sensitive political arena of the world without at least tacit approval from the White House."

SMITH: "Right."

CARTER: "So, a lot of times we've been blocked from going, when I thought we could do some good. But in the case of North Korea, I did get finally approval from Bill Clinton to go to North Korea, but after I had been invited for three years to go and try to ease the tension there. We worked out a deal where North Korea gave up its nuclear program for the time being, which later President Clinton adopted as his own policy, which is very good."

SMITH: "Right."

CARTER: "In the case of Sudan, that's the only complaint I've had against the Clinton Administration. They never did go along with our effort to bring peace to Sudan. So, after George W. Bush was elected, I went to the -- his inauguration after he won the difficult election in Florida. I was the only volunteering Democrat there. And on the reviewing stand, he asked if I had any favors to ask. I said, yes, the only thing I'd like you to do is try to bring peace to Sudan, which he did. So, he has done a very good job in Sudan. But we've gone only when we're invited by both sides to a serious debate or potential conflict. And with at least the sometimes the reluctant approval of the White House."

SMITH: "Right. If Hillary Clinton were to end up in the White House, do you think she would do a better job vis-a-vis some of the work that you've done and her receptiveness to it?"

CARTER: "Than her husband?"

SMITH: "Yes."

CARTER: "Well, I think that Bill Clinton did a good job. The only complaint I've had about him was in Sudan where he seemed-- his administration seemed to have had an urgent desire to overthrow the government in Khartoum, which is impossible, and they, in effect, blocked all peace efforts."

SMITH: "You're just back from there."

CARTER: "Yes."

SMITH: "You're working with Richard Branson's group, this group called "The Elders," Desmond Tutu, Nelson Mandela, on the ground. You talked to Bashir, al Bashir?"

CARTER: "Oh, yes, several times, I've known Bashir since he was a colonel."

SMITH: "Does he get it?"

CARTER: "Oh, yes. He's quite aware, he's quite knowledgeable. He's now been the leader of the country for 18 years. He is intimately involved in everything that goes on there. He's a very intelligent person."

SMITH: "People are dying. Hundreds of thousands, perhaps as many as 200,000 have died. The situation in these camps are absolutely deplorable, as bad as they could be imagined."

CARTER: "Yes, we were in the camps this past week."

SMITH: "Right. And the world allows this to go on. What -- is there a solution? Is there a way forward? Does Bashir show any signs of being malleable?"

CARTER: "Yes, in Abuja two years ago Bashir approved the Darfur Peace Agreement, but only one of the rebel groups agreed."

SMITH: "Mm-hmm."

CARTER: "And now there's another effort being made by the United Nations and the European Union on the 27th of October in Tripoli, Libya, to reconvene peace talks, and Bashir is completely amenable to going there. He doesn't know who's going to be across the table from him because the rebel groups are now fragmenting into many little parts and their fighting with each other. So, Darfur is a very complex area, and I would say that the government itself under Bashir has less and less control over what's going on in that troubled region."

SMITH: "Yeah, the last time you were here, you were talking about your then most recent book "Palestine Peace, not Apartheid," which caused all kinds of controversy. You had members of your board of counselors from the Carter Center resign. There were people who said, you know, Jimmy Carter, this is not your job. You have taken a side here in the time that's transpired since, and as there's an effort to try to get peace talks sort of going again over there, do you have any regrets about what you said?"

CARTER: "No, not at all. The book is absolutely correct, and I think it was necessary and has played a good role and was overwhelmingly approved, although there were some that objected to it. The book was written about Palestine, not Israel. And the second word in the title, as you just mentioned, was "peace," not apartheid. And I think a lot of people adopted the word apartheid as the number one thrust of the book and it's not even mentioned in the book, as a matter of fact. But I think the peace effort that's belatedly going to be attempted in November is a very good development. As you know, for seven years, since Bill Clinton left office, we've had not a single day of good-faith negotiations between Israel and its neighbors, and it's highly overdue. And my hope is that we'll see some constructive efforts being made on the Palestinian side and the Israeli side, when they convene in the United States in November."

SMITH: "There you go. President Carter, good to see you again. Thank you so much for coming by and chatting."

CARTER: "Thank you very much, always good to be with you."

SMITH: "Do appreciate it. And you can read an excerpt from "Beyond the White House" on our website at cbsnews.com."

—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.

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Gee, Jimmy Carter lied again..

Gee, Pres. Jimmy Carter lied again.. almost every day now.

CARTER: "In the case of Sudan, that's the only complaint I've had against the Clinton Administration.

Now, personally, I don't know if Carter ever had a complaint with the Clinton administration because of it's complacency in the Rwandan genocide (800,000 killed) , or the 1998 DR Congo civil war and genocide (4 1/2 million dead or killed), or the takeover of Afghanistan by the Taliban (60,000 killed), or Sierra Leone (50,000+ dead), or a number of other places, but I'm pretty sure about these two complaints:

-- Jimmy Carter – On Kosovo, New York Times, May 27, 1999"[Our attack] has been counterproductive, and our destruction of civilian life has now become senseless and excessively brutal... The American-led force has expanded targets to inhabited areas and resorted to the use of anti-personnel cluster bombs. The result has been damage to hospitals, offices and residences of a half-dozen ambassadors, and the killing of innocent civilians... [Our] insistence on the use of cluster bombs, designed to kill or maim humans, is condemned almost universally and brings discredit to our nation."

And.. 

"I don't think there is any doubt that some of the factors in his pardon were attributable to his large gifts, In my opinion, that [Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich] was disgraceful." Feb, 2001

There's 2 biggies. I bet there's more. Can one even imagine a former Republican president gettign away with lying like that. Harry Smith would have jumped all over it. "Oh, Mr. President.. we all know that you've been a little bit more outspoken that that, don't we?"

Bright Idea

Any chance Carter could agree to stay in North Korea permanently as an act of friendship and have ongoing negotiations with the little dictator?

allanf, Carter and Turner

allanf - good idea. Carter and Turner [Ted] could spent thier elder years riding bicycles around looking for signs of torture. (hopefully you witnessed the Wolf Blitzer interview of Ted Turner a year or so ago.)  (;~. gary

I'm saddened for Carter

He seems to have retreated into a psychological construct of his own making that values "diplomacy" for diplomacy's sake and is totaly divorced from any outcome or results.

 



The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Fred08.com

Wipe the spittle from

Wipe the spittle from Carter's chin and shirt front, give him his meds and a hot totty, turn off his hearing aid so he doesn't scare himself in the middle of the night and put him to bed at the old folks home - the dottering old fool and worst president in the latter half of the 20th century.

Who would have thought that of the two brothers, Jimmy turned out to be the idiot? 

Where's my "billy" beer?  

Carter is nothing more

Carter is nothing more than Mr. Bean of diplomacy. No matter what happens he comes out of a total mess that he has created without a mark but destroys everyone and everything that was involved around him.

Word to the MO-FOS. This is the worst president ever! Bush doesn't even begin to scratch the paint on "worse president ever" when it comes to Jimmy Carter.

Jihad Jimmuh is an idiot.

I wish his family would prevent him from speaking in public. Everytime he does, he makes himself appear more demented than before.


When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.
-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.

Jimma in Gastonia today

I don't know if any of my friends from around Gaston County, NC are aware of this but Jimma Carter is to be at Borders signing copies of his book today. They are giving out 1600 tickets to see him. I would be curious to see how many people bought his book. The folks in that area are still fairly conservative. I would love to be there.  Want to bet he does not sell but 50 or less books?

My wife, after all these years, will not let me forget that I voted for him. Everytime I eat peanuts she reminds me of him.

One last thing. Who made him the keeper of the dictionary? He says the situtation in Sudan did not met the defintion of a genocide.

Southern by birth, Tarheel by the grace of God!

Forget Carter, everyone

Forget Carter, everyone knows the disaster he was and the disgrace he has become.  What reputable news organization or newsreader cite Seymour Hersh as a credible source in an interview.  Harry Smith is so blinded by his liberal bias that I don't think he realizes how foolish the premise of interviewing Jimmy Carter to discuss foreign policy is.  That whole interview could have been a Daily Show spoof.