Left-wing secularists who oppose religion in the public square may be dismayed to learn that their values apparently conflict with those of Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton (N.Y.), according to the author of a new book on the former first lady's religious beliefs.
Although many Democrats support a very strict separation of church and state, the front-runner for the party's presidential nomination does not, Paul Kengor, author of "God and Hillary Clinton," said in an interview. In fact, Clinton is not reticent about injecting her faith into policy discussions, said Kengor, who teaches political science at Grove City College in Pennsylvania.
And there is a double-standard at play with the media, said Kengor, because they often provide extensive coverage of conservative Republicans who publicly express their religious views, often suggesting that they cross the line between church and state.
Kengor expects this double standard will play out in the 2008 presidential race, as it did in 2000.
Not only did the media not object to Hillary's annihilation of any barriers separating church and state, but they loved it, and sometimes even cheered her on," said Kengor.
Kengor added that Clinton's use of religion, especially in her 2000 Senate run and now in her presidential campaign, is one of the most under-reported aspects of her public career.
While the first lady employed her Christian faith for political purpose in an overt and often aggressive fashion, the "intensely secular, religiously hostile New York press" raised no objections, he said.
The following exchange touches on some of the major points Kengor raised.
Q: What was your purpose in writing this book?
Paul Kengor: The secular liberal press throws open its doors to religious liberals when they use their faith in a way the left approves of, such as the Catholic bishops protesting Reagan's nuclear policies in the 1980s. But they attack George W. Bush or John Ashcroft or any religious person on the right who says their faith is part of who they are and what they do. This hypocrisy needed exposure.
Q: Is Hillary Clinton sincere in expressing the view that religion has a place in the public square and in the political process, or is she just posturing?
Paul Kengor: Oh, I think it's sincere. She's a lawyer, and she has looked at this in an intellectually serious way and understands separation of church and state does not mean what the extremist, secular left says it means.
Clinton believes she ought to be permitted to bring her faith into politics. She's even complained about people who believe faith should be excluded from the public square.
Q: Can you describe what her appearances were like in churches leading up to her election as senator in 2002? Was this a pure get-out-the-vote effort? How do they contrast with the way President Bush has handled church appearances?
Paul Kengor: We are talking primarily about African-American churches, and she would go into these churches and quote scripture. She would then interpret scripture in such a way to mean you need to go out and vote for us on Tuesday. Just imagine George W. Bush going into a Baptist church in the South and giving one speech like this - he would not able to do this. But Hillary does it without any exposure in the press. I have a number here that says it all. Clinton visited 27 churches in the two months prior to the 2000 election and six on Election Day. Bush visited just three churches in his first three years, and these were for 9/11 memorials whereas Clinton's were strictly political.
Q: How did Hillary Clinton react to the 2004 elections? Did the influence of evangelicals, conservative Catholics, and pro-life voters move her in any way? Is she now more receptive to values voters?
Paul Kengor: Well, she realized after both the 2000 and 2004 elections that so-called values voters made a real difference for George W. Bush. Between early 2004 and late 2004, she went from demonizing pro-lifers in front of feminist audiences to extending an olive branch after the 2004 vote. She was unbelievably nasty toward pro-lifers at one point, but there's been a total about-face that can only be explained by her coming to realize she needs some of those votes to win in 2008.
Q: Should we anticipate any type of olive branch toward pro-life voters at the next Democratic convention? Her husband precluded former Pennsylvania Gov. Casey, a pro-lifer, from speaking in 1992. Now that Casey's son, another pro-lifer, serves in the U.S. Senate, might she reverse her husband's convention decision?
Paul Kengor: Interesting, I don't think so. She'll change her rhetoric toward pro-lifers but she will not change any of her policy stances. Nothing impassions her like abortion rights, and she's not going to change on the substance one bit.
Q: How does she reconcile her abortion stance with her Christian convictions?
Paul Kengor: Keep in mind that her church, the United Methodist Church, supports legal abortion. It is a member of the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice. Remember, Supreme Court Justice Harry Blackmun was also a Methodist.
Q: What would you like to ask Hillary Clinton?
Paul Kengor: I'd ask, "Do you believe that life begins at conception? What do you think Jesus would say about abortion?" I think she realizes that if you acknowledge life begins at conception and that the fetus in the womb is human life, then right away you're in trouble when you start saying abortion is okay. A lot of pro-choicers think it's sophisticated, like a sign of nuance or complexity to acknowledge life begins at conception but then to offer some rationale. I think Hillary is smart to realize that once you acknowledge life begins at conception, you are in trouble right away on abortion because you must concede a life is being terminated.
—Kevin Mooney is a reporter with CNSNews.com














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Kengor added that Clinton's
October 18, 2007 - 19:33 ET by motherbeltKengor added that Clinton's use of religion, especially in her 2000
Senate run and now in her presidential campaign, is one of the most
under-reported aspects of her public career. (emphasis added.)
As with everything this woman does, "use" is the operative word.
No Republican could get away with one/tenth of what she and Barack (Pray that I can be an instrument of God) Obama do.
The libs have a meltdown when a Catholic priest in church says Catholics should vote for pro-life candidates (without even naming anyone).
Yet they have no problem with Hillary "preaching" and "explaining" how she is the one who can best fulfill Scriptural teaching.
I would love to see Kengor ask her that abortion question just to watch her squirm. She would undoubtedly say that's debatable and a matter of opinion, and she wouldn't presume to inflict her opinion regarding that, onto any woman considering abortion.
Simple...........
October 18, 2007 - 17:32 ET by BrillianceThe reason the God haters do not become inflamed when Hillary Clinton discusses religion is because they are 100% sure she doesn't mean a word of it.
As far as abortion goes, here's a good question:
If it isn't a life, why does it need to be killed?
Brilliance... To answer
October 18, 2007 - 17:39 ET by Clear thinkerBrilliance...
To answer your question... they use the word "aborted" because it doesn't sound like killing.
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Actually they use "choice"
October 18, 2007 - 17:56 ET by misterbee241Actually they use "choice" and "reproduction rights" and "women's health" so it doesnt sound like killing. They never use the word "abortion" in any form.
I wonder which Babylonian diety she prays to - Molech or Baal - they both required child sacrifice.
God help us if this woman is elected.
misterbee, there is also
October 18, 2007 - 19:28 ET by motherbeltmisterbee, there is also the combination "women's reproductive health." What aborting a baby has to do with "reproductive health" I certainly don't know.
And abortion is also known as "terminating the pregnancy." Very impersonal, you know. Doesn't even mention a "clump of cells."
My question is: if it's not a life, why is it "the most difficult decision a woman has to make" and why should it be safe, legal and RARE?
Not a religious issue
October 18, 2007 - 18:55 ET by KC MulvilleI may be contrarian about this, but abortion is not a religious issue. It’s a moral issue, and that’s not the same thing. There are overlaps in the discussion, obviously, but philosophy is better than theology when discussing morality, at least as it pertains to public policy.
Abortion is not an offense against any particular religion; instead, it’s an offense against humanity that various religions are happy to oppose. The problem with labeling abortion as a religious issue is that people who don’t share your religion (or any religion at all) feel no compelling need to listen to you.
Abortion isn’t an “in-house’ argument.
That’s why it’s a crock for Catholic politicians (yes, even Rudy, whom I’ll likely vote for in 2008) to claim that they can’t impose their religion on others. They aren’t.
KC Mulville, "but
October 18, 2007 - 19:10 ET by hydrodynDMKC Mulville,
People are gonna jump all over you for that one :^o
the operative phrase there
October 18, 2007 - 19:39 ET by motherbeltthe operative phrase there is "at least as it pertains to public policy." I agree with that. One cannot impose, say, Catholic teaching, or Jewish law, on the population at large, but one can certainly talk about morality, e.g. how we treat the most helpless among us.
the operative phrase there
October 18, 2007 - 19:32 ET by motherbeltdelete double post
Insightful.......
October 18, 2007 - 19:51 ET by BrillianceVery, very good post.
Keep up the good work KC.
Hillary changes position again
October 18, 2007 - 19:46 ET by BlondeOr at least seems to....what's up with this? Big surprise....if she thinks lightening up on her socialist kill babies language is going to enhance her image...she has another thing coming.
Paul Kengor: Interesting, I don't think so. She'll change her rhetoric toward pro-lifers but she will not change any of her policy stances. Nothing impassions her like abortion rights, and she's not going to change on the substance one bit.
I've said it a hundred times before here, but we need to reframe this debate.
"Abortion Rights" & "Pro-Choice" is political correctness at its very worse.
The time to be "Pro-Choice" is before one hops between the sheets...that is where the choice occurs. "Abortion Rights"? Legalized murder.
I am sooooo over this topic and explaining it. Abortion is totally uneccesary.
Okay, I'm stopping now. I just don't have the energy for this topic tonite. It's filthy and stupid, and as another poster pointed out....immoral!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
She isn't fooling anyone...
October 18, 2007 - 21:44 ET by GoldAngelAnd especially the largest voting block---the pro-life, pro-family values voters---all people of faith who know that she is putting up a smokescreen. Just like her husband and those Sunday morning photo-ops during his administration carrying that 50lb Bible, Hillary's as phoney as a 3 dollar bill, using the veneer of holiness to try to dupe those oh-so-gullible Christians as she intends to further her liberal agenda IF she gets into the White House. But the fact is most Christians are not gullible.
I'm reminded of the story in the Bible of Ahab and Jezebel when I think of the Clintons---how he tried to slay Elijah and seemed like it was all him but in reality it was Jezebel, pulling the strings.
When the largest voter base energizes behind one Republican candidate her asperations will blow up in her face.
Hillary manipulated Bill
October 18, 2007 - 21:51 ET by balboaHillary manipulated Bill into slaying Elijah?
It's an allegory,dear
October 18, 2007 - 22:11 ET by GoldAngelJezabel pulled Ahab's strings---and Hillary was behind the scenes in many of the workings of the adminstration--the woman behind the man per se...
Except he chose to exercise his eviscerated manhood by having a fling with a page half his age.
I know. Just yanking your
October 18, 2007 - 22:15 ET by balboaI know. Just yanking your chain. :-)
That's okay--:)
October 18, 2007 - 22:20 ET by GoldAngelNow I know I've arrived---one of my posts caught balboa's attention---I really belong now--:)
GoldAngel, Gives you a
October 18, 2007 - 22:23 ET by hydrodynDMGoldAngel,
Gives you a warm fuzzy feeling, doesn't it?
Ah, I remember my first time... I envy you.
Sorry, just having a little
October 18, 2007 - 22:25 ET by balboaSorry, just having a little fun. Fun is still allowed, right?
So balboa
October 18, 2007 - 22:22 ET by BlondeIf your entire existence here is "yanking other's chains" and making inane comments...would you kindly remind me what your point is?
Do you have a point?
One?
Point?
I think I shall have to rename you "Oblio"...I used to call Shawn that...but at least he tries to make a point occasionally. You, on the other hand (well, w/ the exception of books, movies, and other pop culture pap) just kind of snark around.
Seriously, bal....grow up.
You're an okay guy, but this continual banality is boring, in the extreme.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
(sigh) I make points.
October 18, 2007 - 22:26 ET by balboa(sigh) I make points. Nothing you agree with. That's the problem.
well Bal
October 18, 2007 - 22:34 ET by botgif it were appropriate i'd link this but better safe than sorry
"Television is where you watch people in your living room that you would not want near your house." Groucho
botg, Where are you
October 18, 2007 - 22:37 ET by hydrodynDMbotg,
Where are you getting all these from?
Hillary Justified by Faith
October 19, 2007 - 01:28 ET by Cool ArrowHillary is proud of the fact that her faith in the depravity of almost half of America is justified.
I've come to the realization I cannot stop people for rationalizing each abortion on an individual basis. The source of my outrage is that Hillary's religious sacrament is funded by my tax dollars.
~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~
Hillary/more illegal money/Drudge
October 19, 2007 - 09:18 ET by bigtimerOkay here we go again with more illegal money...this is the only way the Clinton brigade knows how to win... Somebody had better really look into this one! Poor neighborhoods have this kind of money?
Puhleeez! If the msm ignores this...again I am going to be furious...
I can not wait for Rush today...this story, the Stark story the SChip being defeated, and of course the big STORY, his stick in the eye to Hillary/Soros/Reid with his Ebay auction.....