S.E. Cupp Mindlessly Furthers Liberal Meme That Evangelicals 'Don't Even Like' Catholics
With conservative friends like these, who needs liberals?
Okay, maybe that's a bit harsh, but token conservative S.E. Cupp on today's Now with Alex Wagner blurted out on air, unprompted, the sort of ignorant, bigoted view of conservative evangelicals that you'd expect from a liberal panelist.
"Evangelicals don't even like Catholics!" the atheist pundit interrupted while fellow panelist Karen Finney was giving her take on exit polling results from the March 12 primaries in Alabama and Mississippi. Finney was saying that, if it were possible for there to be an "evangelical Catholic," Santorum would be it, given the Catholic ex-senator's ability to appeal to the social conservatism of evangelicals.
Cupp's unprompted attack on southern evangelicals is, of course, absolutely ludicrous. Indeed, Democrats tried unsuccessfully in 2007 to sink Bobby Jindal's gubernatorial run by running attack ads saying he was a Catholic who hated Protestants. That failed miserably and the former Hindu and Catholic convert Jindal won 54 percent of the votes cast for governor. Last November, Jindal cruised to reelection with 66 percent of the vote.
What's more, last night's primaries saw nearly 2/3rds of Mississippians and Alabamans voting for Catholic candidates Gingrich and Santorum. "In Mississippi, 83 percent of the electorate describes themselves as evangelicals while in Alabama that number is 79 percent," Washington Post's Chris Cillizza noted.
Cupp is entitled to her opinion, but it's a ludicrous one given that pesky little thing we call facts.
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I don't really think of S.E.
Submitted by bretzysdude on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 1:11pm.
I don't really think of S.E. Cupp when it comes to religion. She is an atheist as I recall. However, it's strange she would be this prejudicial when she has come to the defense of theists in the past.
I wouldn't hold it against them.
Submitted by DumbCanuck on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 1:36pm.
I've also heard Liberal Catholics refer to us as "papists" as well.
"There... Are... Four... Lights!"
I agree, bretzydude
Submitted by Galvanic on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 4:58pm.
Though she professes to be an atheist, I've seen her defend religious freedoms when they come under attack from the Left. This latest comment from her is not what we normally hear from her.
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Huh?
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 1:42pm.
So, S.E., all those Southern Evangelicals voted for, say ,JFK, because, what, they hated him?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Many Irish Catholics call
Submitted by katiejane on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 1:59pm.
Protestants "publics" dating from where you went to school - private parochial school versus public school
imagine...
Submitted by MidAmerica on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 1:59pm.
Republicans, the party of intolerance is running two Catholics and a Mormon. And when one of them is finally selected the democrats, the party of tolerance and inclusion, will be using the Republican nominees religion as an angle of attack.
Great point!
Submitted by frank14 on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 2:08pm.
The Fellowship of Christian Athletes has included evangelical Catholics like Roger Staubach with Protestants for over 40 years. SE made a mistake on this one. Love her on Redeye.
Regardless of whether
Submitted by jkwtrading on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 2:04pm.
Regardless of whether Catholics and evangelicals agree or disagree, they both do not like liberals.
Oooo, such a comment from SE.
Submitted by KyWriter on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 2:33pm.
Is she being seduced by the Dark Side?
It's a fact, going on MSNBC...
Submitted by FistsforLiberty on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 2:58pm.
Makes you stupid or say things that aren't true. I think It's in the air over at MSNBC
You are more correct than you
Submitted by mattm on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 9:22pm.
You are more correct than you may even realize, seeing as how Satan is called "the prince of the power of the air." The MSM, like all of liberalism, is just another branch of the satanic cult that has been running the world, for the most part, since Babylon.
That woman is highly overrated.
Submitted by NeoKong on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 2:49pm.
She is never funny and her opinions are usually something I already read three days ago or are just common knowledge.
In other words I never hear anything original from her.
For example.
When I listen to Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham or Michelle Malkin I actually learn something I did not know.
Their content is original.
With Cupp I just hear something I already knew or she tells me something somebody else said or wrote.
She seems nice enough but she falls flat as a pundit.
Cupp is just employing an old
Submitted by celator on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 2:52pm.
Cupp is just employing an old tactic here. Instigate conflicts and arguments among your enemies, in this case, those who oppose Obama's agenda. Get them balkanized so they cannot grow into a single, focused entity which could undermine Obama and the liberal agenda. Old stuff. They did it with the Tea Party.
Actually Cupp was a solid
Submitted by Jack Bauer on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 2:58pm.
Actually Cupp was a solid conservative last time I heard her on Red Eye. And a good friend of Brietbart
Unless she's suddenly converted, she's no more an Obama supporter than you or me.
All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
Good points, Jack. Hopefully,
Submitted by celator on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 11:03pm.
Good points, Jack. Hopefully, she is still on our team. This is not the time for conversion. ;+}
I have to agree with some of
Submitted by Soldat44 on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 2:56pm.
I have to agree with some of what Cupp is saying here.
As a new Catholic, some of my evangelical co-workers refer to us Catholics as 'You Catholics'
Also most, but not all, do not even consider Catholics as 'Christians'.
I have heard this first hand from some of them. Some of them really do consider the Roman Catholic Church as the Whore of Babylon. I kid you not.
But I have some very good evangelical friends who are willing to march arm-in-arm in the streets with Catholics to protest Obama's anti-faith policies.
It's that very reason
Submitted by dzejk113 on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 3:46pm.
that I stopped going to church as a teen. I come from a catholic family, and some of my relatives are still catholic, but my mom started going to protestant churches when I was a kid. At first, I bought into the judgementalism and bigotry against the catholic church, but as I got older and learned more about religion, and catholicism, the bigotry really soured me against church, and so I stopped going. Saying catholics aren't christians is ludicrous, and I never really understood how anyone could make that claim.
What does "S.E." in her name stand for?
Submitted by gopcongress on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 2:57pm.
What does "S.E." in her name stand for? Obviously not "Southern Evangelical."
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It comes down to small government.
Submitted by Tjexcite on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 3:18pm.
To small government.
Do you want someone who has the constitution in one hand and a bible in the other so they can club you it. Or one with a constitution in one had and a bible in there shirt pocket as they need not refer to it with every choice they make. OR one who is standing on the constitution and no bible to be found.
Generally catholics do not like in you face religion. Faith is a private mater that happen on Sunday and that is about it. Generally the Roman Catholics listen to the pope and priest but come Sunday night they have forgot his noon sermon. But they still follow a strong moral compass that they live by with out making everyone else follow they same moral compass. As in libertarian. Keep you faith out of my hair and I will keep my faith away from you.
Generally evangelicals walk with a bible in their hand all the time. They wake up they pray, they eat they pray. Everything they do is around the glory of god. They do not need a priest to tell they how to be good and do the mass service. They can have one in a parking lot with nothing but a king James bible. Every choice they make is done after long prayer as if one needs constant guidance to keep the moral compass. And as such Generally they see it as their purpose to get in others hair and make you see they light and glory of god.
This does rub many the wrong way. As generally some " Evangelicals do not like Catholics" as they as fallen from the faith as they are not "bible thumbing spreed the gospel everywhere" type of people as they bible tells them but as the history of the roman catholic church does not tell them that. To pray it has to be at church and only done with a priest with times of old in Latin.
It all comes down to; do you want someone who after 4 years, people are still not sure what faith he is, or someone who has private faith but know it is strong and will not make government as arm of that faith. Or someone who sees government as a means to restore the falling faith of America.
She is on our side totally
Submitted by Tomorama on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 3:29pm.
Relax up on the SE Cupp bashing.
She is a damn good conservative who happens to "not believe" in any organized religion.
I may not agree with her there, but to each his or her own.
Bottom line is MANY of these people voted for Santorum because of his religion.
MANY of these same people will vote for Romney in November AGAINST Obysmal.
That's all I give a damn about.
I also have no problem with Cupp and other Conservatives going on these networks at all.
Newsbusters MISSED her on Morning Joe yesterday a.m. when she schooled Alex Wagner on Obysmal not being responsible for the NEW drilling in this country and the smackdown was EPIC.
Wagner was mocking the Republicans as being factless on drilling and that drilling was up and CUPP SLAMMED HER IMMEDIATELY that the whole answer was flat out BS.
The pretty Ms Wagner shut up after that.
Yes, she often makes good
Submitted by Ken Shepherd on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 5:55pm.
Yes, she often makes good points. All the more reason for me to be disappointed when she furthers a meme that is absolute crap and that I expect to be spouted by a liberal, not a conservative.
Ken, it is my opinion that there exist Evangelical Catholics.
Submitted by acaiguana on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 6:21pm.
But aside from my meager opinion, why is an atheist given credence on this issue?
She has no standing, so to speak.
We may have differences on the Church; but we have no difference on the attacks on the churches.
This whole issue is an attack on the Freedom of Religion which is an underpinning of the country itself.
I hate these diversions from that fact.
ACA
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S.E. Cupp might be trouble...
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 6:42pm.
as she works for Glen Beck he might not appreciate her making such a stupid and unfounded remark.
To all my Catholic brothers and sisters here
Submitted by ricklail on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 3:31pm.
I am evangelical and like you. The ones I don't like are Pelosi, Kerry, Kennedys, you know who I am talking about. Those that want to cling to the Catholic Church but don't follow its doctirnes or practices. They should be denied communion. The ones that are so high on abortion and birth control.
Back at ya Rick
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 3:57pm.
Many of us Catholics don't like the ones you mentioned. To be honest, many of us despise them.
The War against Catholics*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 4:10pm.
If you have read Saul Alinsky, this new attack against Catholics should not be a surprise. What is sad is that so many people do NOT understand that this fight is a war against all religions. They just picked on Catholics first and too many people are foolishly joining in the fray.
Look at what Obama has done.
He began and still foments racial divide in this country where we had once made great strides to improve that part of our society. He has put us into groups, Christians, gays, blacks, women, bigoted southerners, greenies against the evil oil business. Then he divides the "rich" against the "poor" except the rich ones who support his plan of socialism. Of course those idiots do not realize that they would soon lose all their money but the size of their egos have not allowed them a clear picture. Then you have Obama demonizes and downsizing our military. The military is our defense, weaken our defenses, we are then vulnerable from attack from powers outside. Then look at his attacks on the constitution, activists on the Supreme Court and Federal Courts, a DOJ that attacks states rights and the voice of the people in their own states. That is attack from within by the powers in DC.
Van Jones said, top down, inside out, bottom up. THESE actions by the POTUS is what he meant. Create divide amongst the people and you see we can't even decide on an R candidate because one is a mormon, one is a Catholic, one is a past sinner, and one is an isolationist. Mind you, this is how the media portrays OUR candidates, this is how they want US to view our candidates. Never mind fiscal responsibility, never mind balance the budget, nevermind fair taxes, never mind defend our republic, never mind the constitution and states rights, never mind stopping billions flowing to our enemies hands against our wishes.
Dont forget that the graphics of conservatives has been created by the media as old white men who hate women and blacks. This is why they could not allow someone like Herman Caine and Alan West to even be heard let alone have power. As well as the fact that liberals cannot comprehend a black conservative.
Apologize for the accidental burning of a Koran but put Obama's face on the American flag. Allow Native Americans rights seperate from other Americans, like the right to kill the Bald Eagle. Encourage abortion, make it difficult for married couples by increasing THEIR taxes and lower dependent deductions but fight for gays to marry..
The purpose of all of these actions is to create divisiveness, conflict, group rights rather than rights and freedoms for all equally.
And damn if it ain't working.
Caj
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 4:29pm.
Very well said! The flag with Obama in the stars, that scares me. Deep down in my bones scares me. What are people doing?
Don't speak for us, S.E.~
Submitted by GG_NB on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 5:01pm.
I am surprised S.E. said this. I generally respect/find interesting what she has to say. And yes, she's an atheist.
I'm a Christian (was raised Lutheran) and differ on some of the practices of the Catholic church, but I like Catholics and have respect for Catholics.
:) S.E.'s statement was dumb and weird -- and I don't appreciate her speaking for an entire group of people.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Um, it's called the Reformation
Submitted by bci59 on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 4:52pm.
You might want to look it up Mr. Shepherd.
Come off it. I'm an
Submitted by Ken Shepherd on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 6:00pm.
Come off it. I'm an evangelical Christian and I have my share of disagreements with Rome on key matters of doctrine, chief among them their soteriology.
That being said, these are doctrinal differences that in no way diminish my personal respect for Catholics and my political alliances with conservatives of Catholic religious conviction.
I suspect the same is true of MOST evangelicals. And on the converse, I suspect same is true of most Catholics.
Yes Ken, I believe it is true of most Catholics.
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 6:40pm.
This Catholic has a great deal of respect for evangelicals in particular because they seem to truly live their religion, and stand up to a great deal of bullying about it (as opposed to those Obama bumper stickers I see after church, argh).
Kirk Cameron comes to mind as an evangelical I have a great deal of respect for, especially in light of the scrutiny he's under now.
We of the
Submitted by GreenTea on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 6:07pm.
We of the Republican/Conservative(there should be a Conservative party) party have no choice but to choose from 2 catholics and a mormon...and Loisinana chose Jindal in his first election because they wanted the wack job Governor they had out of there and he was the best candidate not because he is a catholic, and that is not the reason why they voted for him..he stands for real and true morals and he doesn't bow to Democratic pressure especially those that comes out of the White House..he stood against Obama and called him out for making the oil leak in the Gulf a political and photo opportunity back in 2010...so they didn't vote for him because he is a catholic..it is for his Conservative stance..we will ether choose between a Catholic or a Mormon not because of his religious affiliation but because of who will best represent the Republicans/Conservatives in November..sorry to burst your bubble Ken Shepherd but it's the truth...don't make this about religion....Cupp was only trying to make a point..Rick seems more spiritual or religious than the other candidates and Evangelicals are attracted to that...
Uh, that's exactly my point.
Submitted by Ken Shepherd on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 6:22pm.
Uh, that's exactly my point. One's religion is not a determining factor for conservative evangelicals in their vote. It's their conservatism. Evangelicals in Ala. and Miss. judged Santorum the most conservative of the options and voted accordingly. They didn't hold their noses and vote for the Catholic Santorum despite a religious prejudice. It didn't factor in at all, is what I'm saying, contra Cupp's claim.
I can't say I disagree with her as it seems as Protestants
Submitted by gmaniac1 on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 9:11pm.
and Catholics have been going after each other for centuries over religious interpretations. SE may feed into the liberal narrative but essentially she's a trusted conservative, and nowhere near the likes of a Kathleen Parker elitist type. In my opinion, she did nothing wrong here.
Hardheaded*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 9:52pm.
Stubborn and endoctrinated comes in all sizes. I well remember being belittled frequently by two young people while in college. They were evangelicals and I, being Catholic, would get "sermons" everyday from these two. One day they told me that I worshipped statues and pagan gods.
So I asked them if they had ever been inside a Catholic Church. They both said yes. Did you see the sculptured art work that represents the stations of the Cross? Did you see the statue of the Blessed Mother? Did you see Christ on the cross? They said yes we did see all of that and that is why we find it strange that you kneel and pray to statues.
Well,, statues represent the important people and events in our religion. For instance, open your wallet, show me photographs. They each took out a family photo of mom, dad, sibs... So, why do you carry these around? Because we love them .....
Exactly, Catholics though are aware that THERE WERE NO CAMERAS 2000 YEARS AGO!!!!
I hear yah cajun and I was a Methodist that grew up
Submitted by gmaniac1 on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 10:45pm.
in not only a predominately Catholic community, but a predominately Catholic state, i.e. Maryland. I have never understood the disdain from people but the Catholics in our town called our church the "Cult on the Hill" because we had such an enormous youth group. I took it as an endearing term and not so much as a pejorative. I had no issues with either Catholics, fellow Protestants, Jews, or any other religions.
c2 Jesus is digital, You are a believer (1), or you are not (0).
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 11:01pm.
The Atheists would love to reverse that polarity, whatever the math is still the same.
For me I really don't care about the locations of folk on Sunday morning. There are lots of folk wondering around the Catholic Church that are Born Again.
Boil it down it is God, whom is around after the game is over. Fear God (1), or not(0)?
Yea caj, I've ricocheted all over the spectrum, became a believer in that Jesus Freak time zone. Way far away from any sort of building...in the middle of the desert, Baptized in a hot springs that has been erased by google (I've looked!)
Of course my up bringing as a Unitarian, watching Sunday school 16 mm silent films when I was 5 of Nazis, blasting lead into old folk whom just dug big holes in the earth ,kind da made me leery of mankind in general.
O'bama attending a Unitarian Church on Oahu , after dusting his grandmother, all over state land creeped me out.
Hold-on......... the view of the blue sky..... been watching Mars and Jupiter do their dance?
God Bless You....here in 2012....
You Didn't Build That.
its all about the view*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 11:19pm.
Agree upcountry. We can kneel before an altar, we can sing God's praises, we can drink the wine, or cherish a "wafer". Doesnt matter how we pray or where we pray. Be it in the desert, in a fox hole with bombs bursting, on a hospital bed, or before a coffin bearing a loved one. We can lay on the grass on a beautiful stary night and be filled with awe at the enormity of the universe and equally, how small and insignificant we are. It is what we share that makes us all Christians. Our love of life, morals and values given to us by those much more wise than we.
Fighting over esthetics is childish, hence, our liability in being used to create further divisiveness in our society today. Various religious organizations and their beliefs are not the enemy. Those that wish to bring tyranny over all of us will use whatever method, expound on the size of the hat ( create a conflict) and redesign it to be a yoke.
And bless you mon ami
There is a third group
Submitted by MightyMouth on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 11:18pm.
There is a third group gmaniac1... Baptists... I am one, not Catholic nor Protestant... yet we all share the same lineage. That being Christ Crucified. And salvation only through him, all other matters such as eschatology and dispensational viewpoints pale in comparison.
For sure MM, I have never understood the infighting we
Submitted by gmaniac1 on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 11:26pm.
have in Christianity and SE only seems to bring up the fact that on the surface, as well as historically, there has been quite a bit. I think we can all agree that most practicing Christians tend to lean more to the right on all issues. They also tend to agree that this country was created from Judeo-Christian values. It's funny, outside of the church I seem to gravitate towards Catholics the most in my personal life.
What really cracks me up is
Submitted by MightyMouth on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 11:42pm.
What really cracks me up is the attempt of the MSM to pit Catholics against 'evangelicals', as if there are two 'sects' to Christendom. The truth is I can accept a Catholic as a brother sooner than a sunni can accept a shia! In reality Christians are closer to each other than muslims are.
Amen to that*
Submitted by gmaniac1 on Thu, 03/15/2012 - 1:51pm.
*nm
Well, so much for the pretty smile!
Submitted by teg on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 10:34pm.
As a descendant in a long line of "Judaizers" I am probably first on the list of every Catholic to be tortured to death. Since my ancestors were chased across Europe and into the Alps towards the end of the 4th century AD and then to northern Spain and on to Wales, I think I have a well founded, deep fear of the Catholic church.
That said, I would trust a Catholic before I would a Democrat! At least the Catholic has to give whatever god he's worshiping at the moment some lip service before he starts in on your children with the pliers and red hot poker. So, acronym lady, sorry, you are wrong! For the moment, at least....
(keep one eye on the other guy at all times, though ;-)
SE Cupp is the perfect person
Submitted by MightyMouth on Thu, 03/15/2012 - 12:03am.
SE Cupp is the perfect person to display this disconnect between Catholics and 'evangelicals'. There is infighting. It should stop. Period.
Whatever
Submitted by rinohunter on Thu, 03/15/2012 - 1:20am.
Yeah she mispoke and probably regrets saying it now. S.E. Cupp does not speak for all right wing atheists, I for one find her comments ill advised and inaccurate.