'Tak[ing] Less Oil Out of the Earth Is a Win' Decrees MSNBC's Hayes on Keystone Pipeline Issue
"I think every day that we take less oil out of the planet Earth is a win," MSNBC weekend host Chris Hayes pontificated at the conclusion of panel discussion on the December 9 Now with Alex Wagner regarding the shelved Keystone oil pipeline. "Good, Chris, the [Obama] administration liked that" quipped MSNBC host Alex Wagner.
At issue was how House Republicans are attempting to force President Obama to approve the job-creating project in exchange for agreement to extend this year's Social Security payroll tax cut.
Wagner, along with panelists Chris Hayes and Al Sharpton, failed to critique President Obama for kicking the decision to green-light the project -- which pits labor unions and environmentalists against each other -- past next November's election in the first place.
Politics Nation host Al Sharpton complained that Republicans had foisted a climate of partisanship on a reluctant Obama, who is finally reciprocating in turn. "He's gone into the mode of getting ready for the election. There's no reason to play games because these guys are not trying to solve a problem," Sharpton insisted. Sharpton also argued Republicans weren't serious about approving the pipeline and would drop the deal if Obama agreed.
Nancy Pelosi called the Keystone gambit "a poison pill," host Alex Wagner noted, duly passing along the Democratic talking points. "This is something where literally two cars are driving down the highway and one of them is going to blink first," Wagner complained, chalking up the debate as an inside-the-Beltway game of "chicken."
Businesswoman and Huffington Post columnist Lynn Forester de Rothschild reminded everyone that "54 Democrats signed onto the pipeline before the environmental movement got going" and that the pipeline would mean a steady flow of oil from a friendly ally not to mention "tens of thousands of jobs."
Extending the payroll tax cut and creating jobs by approving the pipeline is "not a crazy position," de Rothschild insisted.
Of course Sharpton and Hayes ignored that pesky issue of jobs creation, complaining that Republicans are working to group the Keystone pipeline issue in with the payroll tax cut extension as part of an "obstruction" strategy. For his part, Hayes groused that the job creation figure was generated by "industry" and hence suspect.
Surely Obama pushing off the Keystone decision to 2013 was "not a moment in courage," de Rothschild asked Hayes, prompting his response that "every day that we take less oil out of the planet Earth is a win."
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tell that to the limo driver that transports Hayes to and from..
Submitted by OffTheLows on Fri, 12/09/2011 - 6:51pm.
the MSNBC studio... but that said, every day it's not removed from the earth is it more likely it will be more valuable and more needed in the future. Sorry Chris, at some point if it has been found it's gonna come out
I wish these loons would live
Submitted by danbo on Fri, 12/09/2011 - 7:45pm.
I wish these loons would live what they want. Never use oil. Be it plastic bags, CD's, Gas, Jet Fuel.... Only electric cars powered by wind or solar produced electricity. No flights to anywhere. No bright lights on their sets.
Most of us want to pull the 3rd world into a better life with cheap energy. These fools want to doom everyone to a 3rd world lifestyle. Except themselves.
"You lie!" Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)
Chriss Hayes Denny Dimwit's double.
Submitted by CT on Fri, 12/09/2011 - 8:28pm.
I've never seen a more apt dumbshit gaze as that of the Chris Hayes portrait accompanying this post.
Gee George, is it ok?
Submitted by jimtrees on Fri, 12/09/2011 - 10:41pm.
When Soros says it's ok then it we can fend for ourselves.The promises obama made to him in 2008,are killing this country.
Chris Hayes' public display of ignorance.
Submitted by big.league.slider on Sat, 12/10/2011 - 1:35am.
Here's a relevant fact for Mr. Hayes to consider: The Keystone pipeline won't "take oil out of the earth". The oil was taken out of the earth long before it would flow through Keystone's pipeline.
Not to mention the fact that oil is a fungible commodity. The world economy consumes a given amount of crude oil each day. Even if the Keystone pipeline never gets built, the world's oil consumption will not change one bit. Is oil "taken out of the earth" in Brazil somehow better than oil "taken out of the earth" in Canada? It's rather disturbing to see liberals get satisfaction when they cause problems for the oil industry, even though the US economy and US workers are what really suffers.
I'd bet Mr. Hayes is a big proponent of solar power and hybrid electric cars. One has to wonder if he is as disturbed by taking silicon "out of the earth" for photovoltaic solar cells, or by taking lithium "out of the earth" for hybrid car batteries, as he is by oil.
RE Lithium
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sat, 12/10/2011 - 12:54pm.
Not to mention that there is FAR less lithium than there is of oil, that's actually a limited substance unlike oil which replenishes itself in the earth.
Plus one other relevant factor which has been brought up time and time again by many of us on here, oil is used for so many things, thousands of things, including making the plastic for that computer and iphone/ipad he might love so much, without it, he wouldn't have those things.
People who are against oil without knowing this are just plain ignorant. People who are against oil AFTER being informed of this would want to see the US go back to the stone age. Those are the real enemies of progress.
-Jon
Now I'm curious
Submitted by mandrake on Sat, 12/10/2011 - 1:11pm.
You made the statement that "oil replenishes itself from the earth" I've heard that before but I always dismissed it as the ravings of a lunatic. Do you have any real proof that oil replenishes itself?
Ravings of a lunatic
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sat, 12/10/2011 - 2:31pm.
I guess I'm a lunatic then. Having outed myself in that regard, let's try a couple of things. I could go to a few sources that I trust, but after having seen one of your fellow libs declare that the sources I trust are considered untrustworthy, how about I use a source that you libs would consider more trustworthy?
Try this one. I believe you libs consider this a trusthworthy source. I'm sure there are others, but if this doesn't help, then I can't help you find the answer and therefore I'll just say I'm a raving lunatic. Fair enough?
NY Times: GeoChemist says Earth may be refilling
-Raving Lunatic Jon
That's nothing, jon...I got slammed for citing
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 12/10/2011 - 2:42pm.
a conservative source to support a claim.
Someone needs to open a forum to list acceptable and unacceptable authority.
Jer
You said it, not me
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sat, 12/10/2011 - 3:00pm.
I wasn't going to mention any names.
-Jon
I said what?
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 12/10/2011 - 3:21pm.
Jer
You said it
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sat, 12/10/2011 - 5:45pm.
I was referring to one of the threads in the past that talked about different trustworthy sources for news and you were one to consider the ones I had to be unreliable, even though many others on here consider them reliable. But I didn't mention any names because I didn't want to rehash anything.
-Jon
Why don't you tell me which thread and I'll take a look at our
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 12/10/2011 - 5:54pm.
exchange. I may need to re-evaluate my comment. Apparently it is still nagging at you.
Jer
Quite the reverse
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sat, 12/10/2011 - 5:58pm.
No need because it wasn't nagging at me, it was a lesson learned back then on how to play a lib's game versus trying to use the truth and facts. It worked.
-Jon
Then I'll look for it myself, jon. I want to understand the game
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 12/10/2011 - 6:12pm.
you have learned to play rather than posting the truth and facts.
Jer
You said this---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 12/10/2011 - 10:44pm.
(see below the letters M & D)
MD
I know that, Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 12/11/2011 - 12:04am.
but it was just one of the multitude of insightful aphorisms I have posted at this website so that it seemed rather commonplace, and I didn't attach any special significance to it.
Do you think it's the one jon was complaining about?
Jer
I imagine that's the one, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 12/11/2011 - 2:39am.
but I don't think jon was complaining; rather just making a point.
I know you have a good enough sense of humor to see the funny side of your insightful aphorism - see below - especially when applying it as the obverse to the eternal chiding of someone about their lack of link-source obeisance.
MD
Thanks, md!
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sun, 12/11/2011 - 10:44am.
Yep, that's the one, and yep, I wasn't complaining, was indeed making a point. To a lib, however, I'm sure they are one and the same, n'est-ce pas?
-Jon
jon---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 12/11/2011 - 10:54pm.
Indeed.
Seems as though any comment to a lib that isn't flat out slathering on the compliments is taken as either a misstatement, a slight, or an uncalled for insult.
Touchy breed, them libs.
MD
Jer
Submitted by bkeyser on Sat, 12/10/2011 - 3:25pm.
Just run your stuff by me first.
Good deal, bk...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 12/10/2011 - 3:46pm.
You don't have a problem with DemocraticUnderground, do you?
Jer
DU? No, of course not.
Submitted by bkeyser on Sat, 12/10/2011 - 6:32pm.
They're as credible as you get on your side of the aisle. You can source them if you'd like.
For that remarkable display of tolerance, bk..
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 12/10/2011 - 6:39pm.
I promise not to squawk if you source weasel zippers.
Jer
They've "reopened" old wells.
Submitted by CobraMan on Sat, 12/10/2011 - 2:31pm.
Old "depleted" oil wells have been reopened and are producing oil equal to or greater than the amount they previously produced. SOMETHING must be replenishing them!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
One more fact
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sat, 12/10/2011 - 3:04pm.
I'll add one more fact to that, and that is more oil washes on the beach naturally than from oil rigs, not counting the occasional disaster. Oil seeps through the ocean floors because of being so much with lots of pressure, that it just leaks out.
If anything, we're helping the earth by drilling for oil.
(I would love to see some lib go crazy over that statement)
-Jon
Google
Submitted by bkeyser on Sat, 12/10/2011 - 2:41pm.
abiotic oil.
mandrake, as loony as the dinosaurs did it?
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sat, 12/10/2011 - 4:15pm.
A moon of Saturn... Titan.
You Didn't Build That.
So it rains methane
Submitted by mandrake on Sat, 12/10/2011 - 5:23pm.
So it rains methane on Titan. How does that prove that the earth on which we live regenerates oil?
You asked, I answered, you ignored?
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sat, 12/10/2011 - 5:43pm.
I left you a link to an article courtesy of the NY Times, which I figured you would consider as irrefutable, did you not read it?
If I told you the sky is blue, how do I convince you if you don't believe it in the first place, even if there is irrefutable proof?
-Raving Lunatic Jon
Try Again;Prove to me that dinosaurs once roamed Titan.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sat, 12/10/2011 - 5:59pm.
or show me a hydrocarbon with some DNA in it.
You Didn't Build That.
Ok, I'll try
Submitted by mandrake on Sun, 12/11/2011 - 8:51am.
My intestines produce methane..it may even contain some DNA (not sure). But it's a safe bet they don't produce oil, otherwise Exxon would have a drill up..well you know ;)
imbecile
Submitted by NL207 on Sun, 12/11/2011 - 11:31pm.
If the Earth does not generate oil then how did there come to be oil in the Earth? Did God pull it out of his ass?
The left is a study in catastrophic stupidity.
Submitted by NL207 on Sat, 12/10/2011 - 11:04pm.
If there is not a process operating in the Earth that produces crude oil, then there could be no crude oil. That much should be a given. Science does not know how naturally occurring oil is produced.
The argument that oil is not currently produced by the Earth rests on the presumption that whatever process produced oil in the first place has stopped or that the process takes so long that natural replenishment is moot. Since neither you nor any of the rest of the nincompoops who think this know what this process is, this is an absurd claim.
I should think the only legitimate conclusion that can be reached is Oil is renewable on some time scale. What that scale may be is an open question.
This glittering jewel of
Submitted by Immortal Fish on Sat, 12/10/2011 - 3:03am.
This glittering jewel of colossal ignorance is incapable of understanding that the oil WILL be extracted from the ground EVEN if the pipeline doesn't go thru... It'll just be sold to another country instead of ours.
Hence, his only goal must be to contribute toward weakening our nation.
The pres has bowed to the Saudi King, and
Submitted by UpNorth on Sun, 12/11/2011 - 11:41am.
the Premier of China, maybe he's just doing what he was told while he was bowing ?
I'm sure the Saudis don't want us buying Canadian oil, and I doubt the Chinese will pass on buying all they can, if the U.S. doesn't.