Time's Amy Sullivan: Rev. Wallace Charles Smith Is No Jeremiah Wright
The pastor who preached the Easter sermon that Barack Obama heard this past Sunday is not another Jeremiah Wright, Time's Amy Sullivan insists in an April 29 blog "Swampland" blog post entitled "Conservatives Go After Another Obama Pastor."
Sullivan was responding to the complaints of conservative talkers Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, who highlighted some controversial remarks Smith made to a college audience last year:
What got these two conservative media giants atwitter was a speech Smith gave last year at Eastern University in Pennsylvania–the school where evangelical pastor and speaker Tony Campolo is based. He was asked to speak about racism and offered some thoughts that included the assertion that racism still exists in the United States. There were two important details about the speech: 1) It was taped; and 2) Smith singled out Fox News and Limbaugh by name.
“It may not be Jim Crow anymore,” Smith said in the speech. “Now, Jim Crow wears blue pinstripes, goes to law school and carries fancy briefs in cases….[H]e doesn’t have to wear white robes anymore because now he can wear the protective cover of talk radio or can get a regular news program on Fox.” Of Limbaugh, Smith said that the conservative radio host can get away with making “statements that were once the purview of Robert Shelton and members of the Ku Klux Klan and the White Citizen’s Council.”
Harsh? Yes. Hyperbolic? Possibly. The same as Jeremiah Wright’s most controversial statements? No.
Well, yes and no. Wright said, in effect, that America had 9/11 coming for all its past transgressions. Smith is only attacking conservatives, not the country as a whole.
Still, Smith's smears tar a whole broad swath of everyday people - conservative talk show listeners -- as racist and as such deserves condemnation or at least denunciation by any responsible politician asked about them.
Perhaps, and I think it's quite likely, President Obama was unaware of Smith's controversial speech. Even so, if it were Bush or McCain or Palin attending a service preached by a controversial conservative minister, it's highly unlikely the media would not consider the matter worthy of media scrutiny.
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sigh,......
Submitted by Mark81150 on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 7:16pm.
"Of Limbaugh,(of Obama) Smith said that the conservative(leftwing president) radio host can get away with making “statements that were once the purview of Robert Shelton (Al Sharpton) and members of the Ku Klux Klan (Jim Crowe era democratv party) and the White Citizen’s Council (ACORN).”
Harsh? Yes. Hyperbolic? Possibly. The same as Jeremiah Wright’s (Alan Grayson) most controversial statements? No."
Ohhhhh, the old I didn't call you a murderer, just a horsethief and bank robber, defense. I'm sick to death of these leftwing media and their apologists parsing words about wether we have any right to be insulted..
It ain't up to them, and I'm sick of my political principles being painted as racist just because these idiots can't win an election without scaring the minority population and lying to them, openly, bald faced lying... but boy,.. better watch those Obama jokes... they might get you a visit by the Secret Service if an idiot democrat doesn't like it.
Birth Certificate Has Been Pulled From White House Web Site
Submitted by im41 on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 7:46pm.
Tip
Our Kenyan Imports Birth Certificate Has Been Pulled From White House Web Site
http://conservativeblogscentral.blogspot.com/2011/04/our-kenyan-imports-...
What?
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 04/30/2011 - 12:01am.
1. No. It hasn't. It is right there on the website.
2. Are you saying it is fake?
From what I've seen and read of Wallace Charles Smith...
Submitted by Mike Bratton on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 7:58pm.
...he doesn't preach ethnocentric liberation theology, as Wright does.
Is he liberal? Obviously. Misguided in certain areas? No doubt.
But heretical? No, there's no evidence (at least none I've encountered) that would lead someone to that conclusion.
--Mike
Both of These Rev.s Are Right
Submitted by JamPony on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 8:01pm.
Why does the Right take such a puritan view of America whenever they see fit?
The irony is America is pure, but there are EVIL Americans. In this case the Dems are EVIL Americans who want to destroy the country and blah, blah, blah.
But overall America is pure even though we invade other countries and kill innocent people over weapons that don't exist or we can't find (just as bad).
America isn't pure and innocent and EVERYONE in the world knows that except the STUPID Republicans.
There are plenty of other stops on the road in between Afghanistan and America and they decided to come all the way over here to do their dirt. Then STUPID Republicans ask: Why us? Um, because of your imperialistic ways. Duh!
Is that all?
Submitted by Tenebrous on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 8:57pm.
Who is this "we", kemosabe? Are you admitting that you invaded another country? That's quite a feat. Tell me, how did you do it? Are you admitting that you killed innocent people?
Your guilt stems from your sense of collective guilt, which conservatives do not share, because collective guilt is a lie.
Care to try again?
Visions and Principles blog
What would it mean for
Submitted by redfish on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:15pm.
What would it mean for America to be pure?
The American government in the last 100 years has supported pragmatism over principle in foreign policy and interfered in the politics a lot of foreign countries, which I disagree with, and I'd agree with you has had some very negative consequences, but everyone who has been honest knows what the motives behind that were.
The US has never had a problem with free, democratic countries controlling their own source of oil. The motive was not "imperialism". The problem was always dictators who would use the oil to keep themselves entrenched in power and sell it to countries who had declared themselves our enemies, ready to use force against us (USSR).
The problem with US foreign policy is not that we are imperialists, its that we've enabled dictators around the world to turn our actions around against us as propaganda.
I can tell you straight away the Iranian government doesn't really care that we toppled Saddam Hussein, a dictator who we helped fight them in the Iran-Iraq war. In fact, they're glad that we did, since now they have an opportunity to extend their influence over the country by taking advantage of a weak Iraqi government.
That doesn't stop them from crowing about it, though, and that's what everyone else hears. It's useful propaganda for them to increase their power in the region, and foment the Iranian public against the United States so they can take criticism off themselves.
Nor does anyone in Iran really care what happened in the 1950s when the US helped lead a coup there. At the time,conservative Muslims stood behind the Shah and opposed Mosaddegh -- the man who the US helped overthrow -- because they feared he would enable a communist takeover. They only turned around and opposed the Shah later when he began his Westernization efforts and did things such as extending womens' rights.
Yet saying the US aiding the Shah is the cause of their opposition once again creates a useful, tidy narrative for their propaganda.
If you want to see the source of claims that the US is an imperialist country, read some old speeches by Communist dictators, start with Lenin and go to Kruschev. It's not new. The same propaganda has been recycled for 100 years.
Fits agenda
Submitted by Jerry Mack on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 8:03pm.
The Messiah's reelection is based on; If you oppose anything that he has done, submitted or said, you are a racist. Only a racist can not be overwhelmed by the knowledge of what is best for all of us that is espoused by the all knowing President.
I HAVE A CHALLENGE
Submitted by JamPony on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 8:17pm.
Tell me THREE things he has done that you hate and WHY you hate it so much.
JamPony not sure if u r a retread but I will play your game
Submitted by shawn. on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 9:15pm.
He forced his health plan when polls showed majority of Americans did not like it
He is not willing to cut any entitlement programs that we cannot afford
He is not willing to investigate the Black Panthers for election voting intimidation
His stimulus plan did not help the Economy
He is a hypocrite with criticizing Bush for Iraq but attacks Libya when they are not an imminent threat
He criticized the Supreme court during a State of The Union
He will not provide his transcripts even though Bush, Kerry and Gore all had to
Sorry that is more than 3.
Now, try again....
Submitted by JamPony on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 9:30pm.
This time don't lie.
I can tell just by reading your post that you are a box of rocks so I am not going to hold my breath waiting for an intelligent discussion.
Typical Jampony, drop a
Submitted by NC Cop on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 9:34pm.
Typical Jampony, drop a challenge and when someone responds, dismiss them as stupid and a liar.
Priceless!!!
I COULD..
Submitted by JamPony on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 9:45pm.
Go point by point but what would be the point.
Black Panther Party - really?
Stimulus didn't do ANYTHING - really?
Kerry, Bush HAD to show their school records - really?
Etc., etc., blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Is that beautiful or what?
Submitted by NC Cop on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 9:48pm.
Is that beautiful or what? "I COULD refute your post, but I'm not going to!!"
Hey JamPony, are you gonna take your toys and go home as your next trick???
LOL!!!!!!
Bush Kerry and Gore showed there records
Submitted by shawn. on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 9:49pm.
....because they were pressured to, why can't Obama do the same?
Great!
Submitted by JamPony on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:14pm.
This is a beginning. You've admitted that you've lied.
Now the healing process can begin.
Barack Obama is a LAWYER. Do you know what it takes to become a lawyer?
First you have to study and take the LSAT, then you have to study and pass all of your courses. Then you have to study and pass the Bar. it's not easy.
Nobody is saying he didn't go
Submitted by NC Cop on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:18pm.
Nobody is saying he didn't go to law school, you idiot. We want to see what kind of student he was since all you have to tell us is "He want to college!" as his qualifications for the job of president.
Try and keep up. I realize it takes a while to go back to DailyKos and look for answers, but your posts are really becoming laughable.
I did not lie sir
Submitted by shawn. on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:58pm.
It was a figure of speech which u are nitpicking can u imagine if Bush did not release his transcripts. The public pretty much demanded it
Anyway your nitpicking aside why is he not releasing his transcripts?
Excuse me sir
Submitted by shawn. on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 9:35pm.
U asked me a question about 3 things. I provided more than 3. You only comeback is accusing me of lying?
Jam Pony---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 9:41pm.
Just keep flapping your lips and flopping your ignorance out there for all to see.
Your unwarranted attacks are sure to make you a used to be around here.
You can have a wise ass attitude if you can back it up, but you have nothing except trying to prove how erudite you are through liberal talking points, and they basically suck.
As do you,
shawn exposed you for the lackadaisical know nothing smartmouth you are.
Like most trolls, you are too stupid to realize how dumb you sound.
MD
Does...
Submitted by JamPony on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 9:47pm.
MD stand for Major Dummy?
If you can't see the lies Shawn used to make his point then you are just as stupid as he is so what is the point? I'd much rather move on to another topic then try to discuss the realities behind all of the hyperbole, lies and conflation.
Perhaps JamPony
Submitted by shawn. on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 9:56pm.
Instead of insulting a much respected poster like MD u can back up your point wihout calling him names or explain your accusation of me lying.
MD could stand for---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:16pm.
Mustang Decker, but since you are too cowardly, Jam Pony, to do anything other than spit and run, we shall never know.
Doesn't matter, as you have shown your colors, and are seen as a fool.
Next time around, if you desire to be known by an animal username, try: Cowardly Lyin.
It would be much more accurate.
MD
Shawn doesn't lie JamPhoney
Submitted by Rukus on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 11:52pm.
Calling stupid on your part is pot-kettle. Give it up moron, you lose. Enjoy your short time here troll!
Gary
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 04/30/2011 - 12:43am.
Why r these folks always so angry?
I am typically "sorry"
Submitted by Tomorama on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 8:19pm.
We can't see the college papers as it is filled with anti-whitey hate IMHO.
Whitey is bad, Whitey makes too much money, Whitey needs to give that money to the folks that didn't earn it or were not born with it.
Really that simple.
I again apologize for slavery that happened long before ANY of my relatives came here, I AM SORRY.
I as a hateful conservative have a simple narrative, "EVERYBODY is granted life (unless you are a fetus.....), liberty (unless you are a reporter that disagrees with Sotero) and the wonderful grand pursuit of happiness, but liberals, RESULTS MAY VARY.
Really that simple.
Sorry?
Submitted by JamPony on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 8:20pm.
Are you also sorry for being so stupid?
Who has said ANYTHING about slavery? I guess in your mind slavery is the only negative thing you can do to someone who isn't white. Wow.
Child.
Submitted by Tenebrous on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 9:00pm.
Who has said anything about slavery? Just about every race hustler out there. How many conversations have you had with those trapped in the ghetto mindset? I've had a few, and slavery is ALWAYS there, on the standby, to be used against any non-black for it seems any reason. Now the poster above you isn't stupid for talking about a common occurrence, but you just might be, because you missed something so obvious.
Visions and Principles blog
Oh, I get it.
Submitted by JamPony on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 9:28pm.
So you take random instances and then you interject them into any debate about race. Cool.
I listened to the clip and I didn't hear anything about slavery so I guess you're just bringing your past discussions into this one.
I guess in your mind slavery should never be discussed because it was such a long time ago it has no relevance in todays society. I guess the same thing should apply to your (OUR) beloved Constitution (but we all know it doesn't) or anything else that is really old or happened a long time ago.
Race hustlers: would you consider Pat Buchanan a race hustler or do you have to be black. What about Bill O'Reilly?
The truth of the matter is no one brought race up in THIS discussion so the statement was a red-herring. What was discussed is the policies implemented by the white majority against minorities. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the white majority tips the scale in their favor. It's almost a natural occurrence of any dichotomy - white - black, rich - poor, male - female, democrat - republican. Why does the Right pretend it doesn't exist - I don't know.
Name 3 racist policies
Submitted by James2306 on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 9:46pm.
Name 3 racist policies currently in effect in the USA
Pacifism is a luxury bought with the blood of the valorous
Well...
Submitted by JamPony on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 9:57pm.
We have the sentencing guidelines for different types of drugs when all drugs should be considered and treated the same.
We have the current AZ law regarding citizenship.
AND
Then there is the law for Cubans and Haitians. Cuban reaches the beach he can stay - Haitian, not so much.
Forget about the enacted policies let's discuss the stuff that goes on in everyday life that doesn't include the benefit of being a law.
Police brutality. Women getting paid less than men (imagine how much less other minorities are paid). Voter suppression laws being enacted by different Red states...etc., etc.
Let me channel my inner
Submitted by NC Cop on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:00pm.
Let me channel my inner JamPony to respond:
"What a bunch of lies!! All lies!!!! And you're all stupid, too!!!!!
I COULD prove what a bunch of liars you are........but I won't!!!
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH"
1 drugs arent a race wrong 2
Submitted by James2306 on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:45pm.
1 drugs arent a race wrong
2 the AZ law is not based on race
3 Cuba policy started by Dem JFK
Policy is what was being discussed but ok
police brutality is deplorable now matter the race of Officer or suspect
I know of no women getting paid less only because of their gender
what voter suppression laws?
Pacifism is a luxury bought with the blood of the valorous
These are all things you're
Submitted by redfish on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 11:24pm.
These are all things you're alleging, if you see race in all of these things that's your own fault.
Obviously, its possible to have different drug guidelines without it being about race, possible to support immigration enforcement without it being about race, etc., you just choose to see race there.
You're also focusing on allegations of voter suppression and ignoring allegations of voter fraud, to suit your point of view. You want to believe there's racism, and the idea that theres voter suppression rather than fraud fits your predisposed belief.
You're also ignoring that there have been many women CEOs and small business owners, and assuming that women who aren't paid as much are being discriminated against. You're also assuming something about how much minorities are being paid.
But going back to the original topic, I don't believe for a second that the United States has had more racism than any other country in the world. There's too much evidence from a thorough reading of history that would prove that idea wrong. There are a lot of anecdotes and textual evidence of Japanese and Chinese racism against Westerners even prior to Western commercial interference there. Japanese society continues to have heavy racist elements to this day. Slavery --- and everything that followed it --- was a tragedy, but it didn't happen because the United States was more racist than other countries.
However, despite that, the US as a country among the world has done the most to address and overcome racism, its become a core part of our politics -- and in fact thats why we hear about it so much -- because we're obsessed with it. Maybe these good ministers should focus on that instead of trying to turn the US into the bogeyman of history,
Clock is ticking on you, Jam Pony---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 9:44pm.
and as of now your nastiness likely means you are a banned troll typing,
MD
You make me laugh....
Submitted by JamPony on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 9:59pm.
You're only hoping I am banned so your ideas are crushed before your very eyes.
You'd rather exist in an echo chamber which is what Republicans always accuse the Left of doing.
Sorry, I will keep exposing your lies as long as I am here.
And you know what - I'll be nice about it. I won't call you dumb, stupid or crazy. And I will still crush you - metaphorically of course.
"You're only hoping I am
Submitted by NC Cop on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:02pm.
"You're only hoping I am banned so your ideas are crushed before your very eyes."
Talk about making me laugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Litter
Submitted by Chris Norman on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:14pm.
The silly comments from Jam Pony (whatever that name is supposed to mean) littering these threads remind me of the trash laying all over my yard after a wind storm. I wish someone would rake them all up and put them in a dumpster where they belonged in the first place.
sorry amy dear
Submitted by scarletandgold on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 8:27pm.
he sure sounds like another black liberation racist to me,hes right there with wright,jackson,sharpton and any other race bater that comes down the pike....obama say he is a christian,,ok well heres a lil jesus for ya amy dear...ye shall know them by thier fruit...take a good look at the fruit of the above mentioned..puleeeze dont try and mix true christianity and progressive garbage together ..ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free....lol
First job as princess: Polishing the Royal Jewels
Submitted by im41 on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 9:10pm.
Captions for this pic are endless!!
My only question
Submitted by pbthinker on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 11:35pm.
How does he feel about Black Liberation Theology? If he's a believer, then I have a feeling Obama seeks out people who think like this and feels very comfortable in their presence. Everyone talks about how he's thrown Jeremiah Wright under the bus. I doubt he's really done that, he's just distanced himself from him, for a while, and I believe it was mutual. Wright eluded, in an interview, that Barack has to do what he has to do. Sounds to me like they both know they'll get heat. I believe that Barack Obama is an adherent to Black Liberation Theology and was probably applauding when Jeremiah Wright was giving his best sermons.