Buried or Ignored by MSM: Calif. Supreme Ct. Says Illegal Immigrants Must Get In-State Tuition
Yesterday the California Supreme Court ruled "that illegal immigrants are entitled to the same in-state tuition breaks that are offered to citizens who attend public colleges and universities."
The Associated Press reports that "[t]he high court unanimously upheld a state law that says any student, regardless of immigration status, who attended a California high school for at least three years can qualify for in-state tuition that's much less than what out-of-state students pay."
The losing party in the case plans an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, so this may not be the final word on the issue.
Given that the Golden State is flat broke and illegal immigration is a hot button issue nationally, this sounds like a story worthy of mainstream media attention.
Yet it appears the story has been largely ignored or buried by the MSM thus far.
Of the three broadcast morning news programs, only "Good Morning America" ran an anchor desk briefing on the development today:
JUJU CHANG: The California Supreme Court has ruled illegal immigrants are entitled to in-state tuition discounts at public universities. A lower court ruling had classified illegal immigrants as non-residents. The case is likely headed to the U.S. Supreme Court.
The Washington Post ran a four-paragraph news brief on page A2 of today's paper while the New York Times buried its November 16 story, entitled "Court Backs Illegal Immigrant Students," on page A20.
What's more, New York Times reporter Ian Lovett seemed to imply that the ruling was one that conservatives should have no trouble with:
"It cannot be the case that states may never give a benefit to unlawful aliens without giving the same benefit to all American citizens,'' wrote Justice Ming W. Chin, one of the court's more conservative justices, in the court's opinion.
For its part, the Los Angeles Times devoted front-page coverage to the story, where it noted in the second paragraph that (emphasis mine):
The ruling is the first of its kind in the nation. California is one of 10 states that permit undocumented immigrants to receive in-state tuition, which can save them $23,000 a year at the University of California.
In his New York Times story, Lovett had a much lower number, perhaps reflecting the average savings from in-state tuition:
Currently, students who attend at least three years of high school in California and graduate are eligible for in-state tuition at public schools, which can save them as much as $12,000 a year compared with students who come from other states.
Either figure is a hefty chunk of change for which California taxpayers and law-abiding out-of-state tuition payers have to pick up the slack.
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Silver Lining
Submitted by IgnatzJFahrquar on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 4:36pm.
Brown and his Liberal buddies can ride that ship right into the abyss. Of course they could go ask Washington for a bailout ... oh, wait, no more super-majority. Oh well. The unfortunate thing is that there are some good conservative people out there that are going to be sucked down into the whirlpool, too.
These idiots still think we
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 4:47pm.
These idiots still think we have deep pockets. We don't have the money. Librals never cease to amuse and frighten me sometimes at the same time. No bailouts for any states especially CaliforniaIt's only $500 million per
Submitted by Edhenry on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 4:50pm.
It's only $500 million per year and unfairly punishes U.S citizens
so what's the problem?
This is idiotic. What an
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 4:54pm.
This is idiotic. What an incentive to sneak into America! Current in state rates are around $1600/semester.
Come one, come all. I hope the US Supreme Court makes the right decision.
Idiocy Squared, ADK
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 5:06pm.
But then, who's surprised by the acolytes of Rose Byrd? Between these "learned justices" and Governor Moonbeam, I think Kuh-leee-fornya is doomed. But, best of luck,
Oh, and I heard that Toronto has booming film and TV industry, as do several places in the U.S.
Oh, and I heard that Toronto
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 8:44pm.
Oh, and I heard that Toronto has booming film and TV industry, as do several places in the U.S.
Is this supposed to be a swipe at my career? Yes, Toronto does just fine, all 5 months of the year that they can shoot outdoors. NY as well. There are many reasons those of us who live in the area can feel secure about our jobs. Primarily, the actors live here, the professional crews live here, the casting companies, the rental shops, the property shops, endless costume supply, and oh yeah, stages built for making movies and TV shows.
We're fine, thanks for your concern.
It was a swipe at the state Stupid.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 10:41pm.
What, do you collect Stupid and put it on a shelf for display?
Way to go nwahs, even when people talk to you nicely, you misinterpret it and fill your diaper.
Grrrr...
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 10:47pm.
Grrrr...
Still praying with the troll bible. Pray thee fer troll wisdomz.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 12:46am.
5. Discredit your opponent or his position through the use of inappropriate laughter and other non-verbal grunts.
31. Never let your opponents have the last word.
Always get the last word, even if your last "word" is merely a "The sound of a weasel sneezing!" or a disturbing picture, which has the added bonus of inflaming the regulars of a non-binaries group. With this goal in mind keep posting replies to the thread until you have clearly been ignored; keep checking occasionally just to be sure. Sometimes it helps to post your
reply as a new thread.
Hi-Larious Says the troll
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 11:02am.
Hi-Larious
Says the troll hunter who not only needs to leave the last word, but the 3-5 final posts on any given thread because he just can't get all his thoughts together at once.
Are you OCD?
Whatever nwahs.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 1:33pm.
nwahs: That was hi-larious. You can get all of you Family Guy resources at....
nwahs: He had term for it: "Hi-larious." I even got to show him some of my drawings...
nwahs: That's frickin hi-larious!!!! Well, it would be...
Lookie lookie! Duh Vet found
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 2:03pm.
Lookie lookie! Duh Vet found similar words that 2 different members use.
Tell me, Sherlock, how did you ever come to such a conclusion? Were your dogs talking to you again?
Looks like the retard loser King Crybaby forgot something.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 2:33pm.
Dead Zippers was so busy crying and whining and filling his diaper, he forgot to actually click on the links.
I don't ever click your
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 2:40pm.
I don't ever click your links. They're as much a waste of time as your posts.
Sniff. Sniff. Trollie don't like no pushback nah.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 2:44pm.
Trollie never reads my posts. But trollie sure does seem to know what I say all the time.
How does everyone know to side with trollie iffen trollie don't read what I sez.
5. Create imaginary crowds that side with you. Dead Zippers: And we're all laughing at you. ... We're all over it. Everyone but you ... Multiple people have called you out...
But trollie sure does seem to
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 2:52pm.
But trollie sure does seem to know what I say all the time.
Perhaps because you repeat the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...
Oops.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 12:55am.
Mumzie troll stuck you with a diaper pin again?
Simular?
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 2:52pm.
looks like twins
In spite of what the dogs might think, Nwahs sure seems scarce when your around?
You think that's because
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 2:54pm.
You think that's because nwahs was banned some time ago?
Uh no.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 1:03am.
Still here nwahs. You told us you opened another sock puppet account. And are posting with that in addition to the dozen unused wing accounts you have.
trollies don't think things through.
liar
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 11:12am.
liar
And you think your votes for
Submitted by NL207 on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 12:35pm.
And you think your votes for liberal politicians in California did not have anything to do with this idiocy?
Don't look to the Federal courts for relief from this foolishness. Look to yourself!
Yeah right
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 1:38pm.
Dead in the head here is just fine giving illegals in state, or hell, just make it free, higher education. The rest of us will be bailing out the idiots in Califas anyway.
Not if I have anything to say about it
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 1:44pm.
Dead in the Head truly believes that tax rates are never, ever high enough, and that the government OWES him personally because he was born.
He can stay where he is and not come crying to the other 49 states when he realizes that even CA can run out of other people's money...
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Awwww... How cute! 3
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 2:00pm.
Awwww...
How cute! 3 trolling conservatives getting nastier in each subsequent post.
Idiocy in its' strongest, miscomprehension prevailing, and stupidity in great supply.
Dead, ARE you going to get more from the tit, than you "invest"?
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 2:23pm.
Good luck with that,
Your state is running out of money.
However you believe that investing in food stamps is the best investment on the planet.
Keep spinning.....there in dreamland....
You Didn't Build That.
Creating lies about me will
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 2:30pm.
Creating lies about me will get you nowhere.
Where do you come up with MY beliefs? Have I said anything about food stamps on this site to make you believe I have taken the position you stated?
Keep spinning, but be careful...you spin enough, it might make you vomit.
Sniff Sniff. Only trollies are allowed to lie.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 2:41pm.
Wait. Before they were reformed, they could lie and lie all they want. Once they get reformed, trollies don't like other people to push back. Reformed trollies get to make all the rules once they procliam themselves reformulated.
Except.... Wait... Ain't trollie been filling up these pages calling others liar and whining that others are repeating themselves. Whatever nwahs. Pull your fake outrage card out of your diaper rash riddin diapers.
4. Call others liar over and over without, you know, providing any proof. Dead Zippers: Every time you call me zippers it is a lie. ... And you're lying. ... Just make up more lies.If you vote, whom did you vote for, lefties or conservatives?
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 2:42pm.
Way out there on the left coast?
You Didn't Build That.
Food stamps. You made an
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 2:51pm.
Food stamps. You made an accusation - back it up.
So you did vote for lefties, thankx you're part of the PROBLEM.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 3:05pm.
Soon you will be replaced by the likes of youtube...sux to be you.
You Didn't Build That.
You're pathetic. Make up BS,
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 3:09pm.
You're pathetic. Make up BS, fail to back it up, and go skipping away with your tail between your legs.
Excited!!! Are you TXTing me from the security line at LAX?
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 4:12pm.
Dead, If I were you, I would'nt be making any tail jokes, ya evolutionist.
You Didn't Build That.
Still avoiding...
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 4:20pm.
Still avoiding...
Most excellent nwahs. You are coming along swell.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 10:43pm.
Right on track. I start the slow squeeze on a nasty viscous trud troll. Relentlessly smacking it with the Stupid Stick. Trollie starts to feel the pressure and blows it out at anyone that comes along.
Trollie, why you wanna accuse everyone of being a liar now? I thought it was just me trollie?
Trollie, you enjoying my meltdown are ya? Rmember that trollie? I am having a meltdown and will pop like a cork soon.
9 Claiming people that point out your troll ways are in a meltdown or will meltdown soon. Dead Zippers: The Vet is doomed for a meltdown soon. ... You're not far from a meltdown
Good morning, Sunshine. Did
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 11:19pm.
Good morning, Sunshine. Did we wake up happy?
No?
Okay, I'll play. Oh, this again. Nwahs this, Zippers that. I'm reeeeaaaally getting bored now (by the way, make sure to find nwahs extending a word like "really" and use it as proof that he's me).
The meltdown comment related to your persistent use of ALL CAPS and ALL CAPS IN BOLD. I was certain you were going to pop that blood vessel in your forehead again and come out looking like Rosie O'Donnell.
It was for your own sake.
Yeah, trollie nwahs missed the irony.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 1:09am.
trollie is lashing out at everyone that responds to him here. Calling everyone liars. making nonsense posts, filling up pages of repeated words, whining, implying threats, complaining of idiocy and stupidity, whining about spinning, screaming for others to back it up or more implied threats, dropping the pathetic word, giving out nicknames...
And then trollie has the gall to claim I am gonna pop a blood vessel.
MD is right. You is funny trollie nwahs.
Poor Poor Poor Trollie.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 5:41am.
Trollie has NEVER once filled out the subject line through 4 YEARS and SIXTEEN accounts.
But trollie whines someone is headed for a MELTDOWN just cuz trollie nwahs sees a few words in BOLD.
By the way. Don't LIE to us nwahs trollie. You complained of a meltdown long before you whined about BOLD WORDS from WORD BULLIES.
Trollies meltdown comments linked above were from 4 November. Trollies whine about bold words from the word bully without mentioning the word meltdown ---
Dead Zippers on 11 November: I don't know if it's the constant "IDIOT" accusation, the ALL CAPS, or even better, ALL CAPS AND BOLD.
Dead Zippers here: The meltdown comment related to your persistent use of ALL CAPS and ALL CAPS IN BOLD.
So you tell me I am headed for a meltdown, 7 days later you complain about the use of the shift key and bold button, and now you want us to believe the 2 were related at that time even though you failed to mention the one when you mentioned the other.
YOU LIED TROLLIE. ON THE VERY SAME PAGE YOU ACCUSED OTHERS OF LYING.
NWAHS LIES AGAIN.
I also see you are still reminding the world what hours I work and when my house is unattended with your Good Morning Sunshine crack. Yeah, I am not to take that as a subtle threat that you would desperately love to get my address and publish it so the entire planet knows when to break in and steal everything I own.
Trollie nwahs gets a little pushback based on what he posts and then turns it personal. No, trollie, we believe you, you iz reformed nah.
Poor nwahs.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 2:35pm.
nwahs diapers are full again. Dead Zippers gets a little pushback, and fills his diapers.
Tell us again how everyone is laughing at me. Unsane, Restless1, and upcountrywater missed the memo.
Call me nwahs one more time.
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 2:47pm.
Call me nwahs one more time.
Or what trollie?
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 1:37am.
You gonna cross some county lines and threaten my children if I call you nwahs one more time?
Wait. No. You is reformed nah. No county line crossing and sitting in our local park waiting like you used to do. Plus I ain't a woman so...
Wait. Why is trollie making it personal again?
Dead Zippers: Were your dogs talking to you again?
Why is it you can't refrain from making it personal trollie? You have a history of threatening women and making creepy STALKERISH posts about their children. Getting way too personal and way too freakishly detailed about others that one could only get from having a high powered telescope lens.
Why the personal comment? Why is it trollies always get personal when they get a little pushback?
You're full of crap. Go
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 11:15am.
You're full of crap. Go ahead and link to a "stalkerish post" I made about someone's children.
You can't because it never happened, but I figure you're going to continue with your Mission: Attrition!
Back it up, liar.
Whoops. The LYING Troll Guttermouth spoke too soon.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 12:10pm.
What were you saying about backing it up? You betting everything is gone from google? YOU LOSE.
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Time's Sullivan Impatient That 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Not ...
Feb 11, 2009 ... Wed, 02/11/2009 - 17:51 ET by guttermouth. I accused a woman who has thousands of posts on this site of neglecting her 3 young children who ...newsbusters.org/?q=blogs/ken-shepherd/2009/02/11/times...dont...
++++++++++++++++++++++++=.
IT. IS. DONE. BACKED. UP.
Oh nwahs. You might wanna reconsider.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 12:30pm.
Now might be a good time to admit you lied a little there thinking the google cached is cleared.
I ain't even moved to the Internet Wayback Machine. Ah-rooo? Yes.
Yeah, I would really mull over that little bluff. Because this time, promises to chose won't mean squat. I will dig up every single nasty little statement you ever made.
About the Wayback MachineBrowse through over 150 billion web pages archived from 1996 to a few months ago. To start surfing the Wayback, type in the web address of a site or page where you would like to start, and press enter. Then select from the archived dates available. The resulting pages point to other archived pages at as close a date as possible. Keyword searching is not currently supported.
Nah. Screw it. Don't even bother. You know I am Jack Poo Crazy enough to make it my life's work to pore through the Wayback Machine and pull every single nasty post you ever made.
Might wanna go ahead and PM chose again. The promise is off. Tell her why. You thought you could pull a bluff and it BACKFIRED right in your face.
You don't even know who I am.
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 12:50pm.
You don't even know who I am. How could you possibly dig up any more dirt on me?
It's official. You're insane. That you spend this much time on ME not only tells me you're pathological, but a sociopath as well.
Get help.
Yes. I am insane.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 1:05pm.
What does that say about you poking the insane guy and DARING him to dig up your old posts.
I'm poking you? I'm tickled.
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 1:19pm.
I'm poking you? I'm tickled.
You started digging up old posts of mine the moment you learned I was guttermouth - you hardly needed poking.
Whatever nwahs.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 1:36pm.
Dead Zippers: Go ahead and link to a "stalkerish post" I made about someone's children. You can't because it never happened, but I figure you're going to continue with your Mission: Attrition! Back it up, liar.
I. Backed. It. Up.
And just like before, you get squeezed on what you say, YOU MAKE IT PERSONAL. By telling the entire planet what time I work and what time my house is empty. Thank God for anonymity that you don't know more.
You made it personal before you nonreforming reformation by scaring off women posters. You made it personal again.
I. Backed. It. Up.
Now take a long walk off a short pier.
You told the planet you work
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 1:56pm.
You told the planet you work the midnight shift, not me. Don't pretend this is top secret information.
Go pee up a rope.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 10:26pm.
Dead Zippers: Go ahead and link to a "stalkerish post" I made about someone's children. You can't because it never happened, but I figure you're going to continue with your Mission: Attrition! Back it up, liar.
I. Backed. It. Up.
WHERE HAVE YOU BACKED UP ANYTHING EVAH.
You lie again. You made it personal by talking about me and my hours over and over just like you did harassing those women.
Friggin' Liar. Talking about what time I post, over and over and over. Then when I explain it, NOW IT IS MY FAULT THAT YOU MADE IT PERSONAL.
I AM SICK TO DEATH OF YOU AND YOUR LIES.
So, You're not the one
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 8:37pm.
that told Chose that she was probably upset because her husband comes home smelling like strippers? That she was a bad parent because she was posting instead of caring for her children? Yes, I believe that was you. While you may have made your peace with her, the rest of us still remember.
You can change you SN all you want, but the stink remains.
Yes. It was him.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 10:47pm.
guttermouth. and 14 other accounts.
All Three Morning Shows Skip Cheney Jab That Obama Has Made U.S. ...
Mar 16, 2009 ... Tell me, 3x - when he comes home smelling like strippers, do you ask ... I'm understand that guttermouth just plain lonely with nobody to ...But trollie wants you to know he is reformed nah. Reformed trollies always change their name when they get a little pushback. Or change their accounts and thus get a new name. Same. Same.
Umm, given your posts
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 7:39pm.
from various past incarnations, you shouldn't be bitching about about anyone else's nasty posts.
Idiocy in its' strongest, miscomprehension prevailing, and stupidity in great supply. Now that you've defined yourself in black and white, maybe you can finally see why you are so outclassed here.You couldn't outclass Mel
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 7:54pm.
You couldn't outclass Mel Gibson. You've made accusations that contrast my POV entirely, but that's okay as long as you can get a couple more knuckleheads on board.
Dead---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 8:52pm.
Knuckleheads are winning, hands down.
Don't let yourself be beaten by knuckleheads.
Buck up. Get mean with 'em.
Get nasty.
Show some Hollywood heroics. Hooray for homosexuals!
Burbank bravado. Boo them damn conservatives.
California courage. Cast out all conservative politicians.
As one of a very few house libs, there are certain expectations that you carry your share of the liberal load around here.
Quit slackin' and get to crackin'.
Battle!!
MD
I'll leave the scorekeeping
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 8:59pm.
I'll leave the scorekeeping to you. Stupidity of others is a fading concern of mine, as is the blatant miscomprehension of my posts.
The stupidity of others---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 9:04pm.
and blatant miscomprehension of posts seems to be an overweening theme of liberals on a conservative site.
MD
Yeah, well, I've taken a
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 9:08pm.
Yeah, well, I've taken a pretty hard stance against illegal immigration as well as rights for illegals, but clearly we have at least 4 of you now who still fail to properly comprehend my position.
This time the dumbness is on conservatives.
4 now trollie?
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 10:41pm.
You promised me they were laughing at me. Poor nwahs gets confused.
Did you notice how many
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 11:23pm.
Did you notice how many people looked at that pompous, self gratifying forum you created for me?
Did you notice how many people posted there in comparison?
No one cares.
You cared trollie.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 12:39am.
You keep acting like you don't care but you keep filling your diapers so we know you do.
trollies don't think things through.
Dead---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 11:01pm.
Failing to comprehend your position on what?
Illegal immigration?
You are against it?
Ok.
Rights for illegals?
You are against that?
Ok again.
Homosexuals?
You are in favor of treating them decently?
I agree with that.
What am I failing to comprehend here?
MD
Then what's your issue?
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 11:21pm.
Then what's your issue? You've got 3 residents above who clearly accuse me of otherwise. Take it up with them.
I accused you of nothing
Submitted by NL207 on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 10:06am.
I accused you of nothing other than rank hypocrisy. You complained that illegals were being granted taxpayer funded benefits in California by order of its courts and you hoped the Federal Courts would relieve this burden. You recognized this was idiocy. On previous threads, you have admitted you have been voting for the incumbent power structure in California, who are DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for the judges and laws in California that have led to this situation.
Apparently you are unable to comprehend or appreciate the consequences of your own actions.
Them there residents, Dead---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 4:28am.
ain't trading posts with me.
So it would be on you to take up clearing the air with them, not me.
I will monitor, to gain knowledge, or some good belly laughs.
Either will be satisfactory .
MD
Look moron
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 9:05am.
You voted for the morons that put these practices in place. Your idiot ass probably voted for the judges too. Now you try to claim they don't represent your postions??? I don't vote for people who don't represent my positions just to be cool.
Your actions. Your consequences. Can you comprehend that??? No? Tough sh$t.
You must be a practicing
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 12:52pm.
You must be a practicing Christian.
Huh?
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 1:18pm.
Christians can't identify stupidity now? What else can't we do, expert? You're the one voting against your alleged interests. Don't get butthurt when called on it.
I thought Christians were
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 1:57pm.
I thought Christians were full of love, yet your post is nothing but the ranting of a lunatic with an appreciation for grade school humor.
You thought wrong, Dead---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 2:41am.
Christians are forgiven, not perfect.
Mistakes can and will be made by those of faith, as they are human beings.
Not being full of love for their fellow beings, some of whom might be liberal, on a 24-7 basis, is understandable.
MD
I understand your god is
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 12:42pm.
I understand your god is quite forgiving. So basically, these d***s can behave any way they'd like with their fellow man, and as long as they repent, all is forgiven.
And I'm called morally bankrupt.
The LYING TROLL doubles down on his favorite fallacy.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 12:53pm.
Genetic Fallacy (Fallacy of Origins, Fallacy of Virtue):
Oh look. Dead Zippers tells us WHAT constitues Christianity and condemns it all in one post.
Oh nwahs, where are all the people laughing at me? I can't find 'em. Are they all sending you the PM's rather than post with all the funnie haha's?
Another logical fallacy TROLL TACTIC from the lying troll.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 3:06am.
Genetic Fallacy (Fallacy of Origins, Fallacy of Virtue):
Another attempt by the Lying Trud Troll Dead Zippers to shut down all arguments against him. Oh, you are a (christian/conservative/Republican/NB poster/friend of JWF), therefore you must be (insert Dead Zippers definition here).
Odd that it is only Dead Zippers' definition of the objects of his scorn that is presented, and that definition always seems to push them into a box that is in desperate need of Dead Zippers' derision and ultimate correction.
In this case, Dead Zippers' definition of Christians is the only one presented, Christians can say nothing negative of anyone. And Dead Zippers definition is used in an attempt to browbeat another user should he acknowledge he is indeed a Christian.
This troll lives off the Troll Bible, brunches on fallacious arguments, and has invented his own Troll Bible - New Testatment as written by Dead Flailing Zippers.
You never think. That's the problem
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Fri, 11/19/2010 - 8:32pm.
And I love how the atheists, agnostics, whatever claim to know they know more about a religion than those involved in it. Typical elitism on display.
However, you have pouted, contorted, whined, and flailed, but you have not demonstrated how I am wrong.
Oh well, C-ya.
You proved yourself wrong
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 10:37am.
You proved yourself wrong with your first ignorant post on this page.
Still no response.
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 11:40am.
Explain how those of us that call you out on your admitted voting record are wrong. If you're so against illegal immigration, then perhaps you should cease supporting the "progressives" that don't see it your way.
California Supreme Court
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Sat, 11/20/2010 - 11:57am.
California Supreme Court justices are appointed by the Governor of California. 5 of the 7 justices have been seated since before I moved to California and changed residency.
So I'm on the hook for one of the seven, Carlos Moreno, who was appointed by Gray Davis in 2001.
So continue to explain how my vote for Gray Davis a decade ago has direct implications as to the outcome of a California Supreme Court case. Furthermore, explain how my stance against illegal immigration means anything but what I have previously stated.
I'd say you've just been schooled.
What's your point?
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Sun, 11/21/2010 - 4:25am.
Three were subsequently appointed by Pete Wilson. Did you vote for him? I doubt it.
And by the way, these justices you claim no allegiance to were up for vote after your change of residence. Who did you vote for???
Wilson was in office before I
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Mon, 11/22/2010 - 12:34pm.
Wilson was in office before I even moved to California, and his 2nd term came about prior to me switching residency to CA.
And I've never voted for an incumbent judge. I believe in term limits, period.
Term limits
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 11/25/2010 - 12:25pm.
Of course you believe in term limits. That's because you are lazy. Nothing screams "I am lazy" more than supporting term limits.
Not to mention that having a term-limited legislature didn't do much to improve your state's crappy, dysfunctional government any...
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
The more you type, the more
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 11/25/2010 - 12:23pm.
The more you type, the more you drop that facade of civility, and expose yourself as a hate-filled, overwhelmingly angry poster who truly believes that the government can never, under any circumstances, be big enough or can possibly control enough.
Idiocy? Prove it. Especially in my case.
Miscomprehension? Really? The ONLY thing I have been doing is reading your posts and I have been working on a composite image of you. Once it would have been favorable. As the summer has turned into the fall, though, the REAL Ted (whatever the hell your SN will be next week as part of "Ted") has been shining through. And it isn't pretty.
Stupidity? Again, prove it. These are amusing accusations from one who unthinkingly parrots the Leftist talking point "The Bush tax cuts weren't paid for". People like you who say this are people who think the tax rate can never be high enough and will very very cheerfully pay more and more in taxes, even if the tax rate went to 150% and required you to sell all of your possessions to turn over to your beloved government, Who Really Does Know Best after all. (For but one example of stupidity of your own.)
You are probably throwing a viloent temper tantrum right now because the government isn't giving you a FREE Thanksgiving feast with ALL of the trimmings. (Let me guess: that's a right, isn't it? Every thing imaginable to a Leftist is a right somehow...) Regardless, make the attempt to have a nice Thanksgiving. I sure will.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
I'm hosting Thanksgiving, in
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 11/25/2010 - 5:16pm.
I'm hosting Thanksgiving, in fact. Bought a fresh turkey this year - thought I'd splurge.
I don't need government help. Happy thanksgiving. I hope your day gets better.
How CAN my day get better?
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 11/25/2010 - 5:56pm.
My day is great! My turkey was given to me by my company as a big thank-you.
Of course, when the Cowboys lose, it will be exponentially better. Because just as the disease known as Raiduh Myopia is sweeping your state, Cowboy Myopia is once again flaring up in mine.
Now, didn't it feel better to actually earn the turkey and trimmings yourself instead of being babied by the goverment with one?
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
If there had been an obvious
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Fri, 11/26/2010 - 1:15pm.
If there had been an obvious drop off location I would have bought more and donated them...at $.39/lb. Great turkey, though the new convection oven cooked it 30% faster than I had been used to.
Congrats on the free turkey. I worked for a company who used to do that as well. These days I'm on my own, which is why I went out on a limb and went fresh...though I admit I didn't taste much difference.
There's nothing I enjoy more than seeing the Cowboys lose. The Pats are a close 2nd. I'm a Buffalo boy, which means I have a deep seeded hatred of the 'Boys and their fans. Yesterday was extra special.
T-giving continued
Submitted by Unsane on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 8:57pm.
Back in the day when I was what is known as Active Duty, I would bake hams - sometimes two - and give them away at meals for the troops. It was especially morale boosting for the guys and gals who were far from home on Thanksgiving Day - as I typically was. All of the officers and NCOs would do this - and I was much appreciative of the seasoned NCOs who not only were great at their jobs but could also prepare a mean turkey.
I haven't done anything like that on Turkey Day in awhile - I mostly support various causes with canned food items - but my personal charity day is fast approaching.
By the way, you cannot imagine how fun it is slamming Cowboy fans here in the heart of Cowboy country, pointing out that it was their alleged offensive "savior", Roy Williams, that coughed up the game by not fighting tooth and nail for the damn ball when he caught it. I saw this in a bar, of all places. If I were eating something, it would have been a definite choking hazard as hard as I laughed. :o)
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Ah yes, canned food. We've
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:18pm.
Ah yes, canned food. We've been collecting weekly for the past month or so for the Christmas food drives. It's too bad, especially in a city as large as LA, that there aren't more food drop off locations. I'd like to believe more people would help out if more information was given.
Roy's game-losing play was pretty special - like you said, if he wasn't supposed to be their savior...
Of course, I witnessed my Bills, and more specifically, Stevie Johnson drop the game winner in OT against the big bad Steelers. Still, I'm somewhat content as the team who was supposed to go 0-16 showed the NFL how overrated Pittsburgh really is.
Charity Day
Submitted by Unsane on Sat, 12/04/2010 - 12:22am.
It is almost upon us. I am making my list of VFDs and symphonies to be supported.
Hmmm. Does Los Angeles not have a program where postal workers pick up canned food items? Everywhere I have lived stateside have had canned food drives courtesy of the Postal Service.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
I'm not aware of such a
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Sat, 12/04/2010 - 11:53am.
I'm not aware of such a program in California, though it sounds like a great idea. Often food drives set up outside of the grocery store. It's a reminder going in, and you drop your items off as you leave. It's convenient, but a little pushy. I hate anyone soliciting outside the supermarket. Except the girl scouts, because who doesn't need more thin mints in the freezer on standby?
~Samoas rule
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 12/04/2010 - 12:03pm.
But thin mints are pretty awesome, too.
Of course. Though when
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Sat, 12/04/2010 - 12:21pm.
Of course. Though when speaking pure volume, thin mints are the way to go. I eat them by the sleeve.
~Stop it
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 12/04/2010 - 12:32pm.
You're making me hungry!
I think even the girl scouts
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Sat, 12/04/2010 - 12:34pm.
I think even the girl scouts are suffering these days. They're now selling canned nuts.
Nuts? Just give us more cookies, and not just once a year!
~I hope you're joking
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 12/04/2010 - 1:31pm.
Nuts? Really?
They could make a fortune if they just sold those cookies year-round on a website. Yum. Okay, I'm starving now, catch ya later. ;)
Boston is Next According to Deval Patrick!
Submitted by gruyere cheese on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 5:32pm.
The Boston Herald reported today that Deval Patrick is also looking into instituting the In-state Tuition qualification for immigrants in Massachusetts. As an ex-pat from that state I say: To those who voted for Obama's "Minnie Me" you get what you deserve. They re-elected this clown and the mastermind of the Fannie & Freddie Mac fiasco - Barnie Frank.
Liberals in Boston deserve what is coming to them. Obama's auntie who lives off the taxpayers money in Boston must be so proud of the state she chose to live in. Illegal immigrants are smarter than we give them credit for.
Illegals should not be
Submitted by stratman on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 5:58pm.
Illegals should not be accepted as students at all. If accepted and later discovered to be an illegal for any portion of their matriculation, should be removed from the rolls and, potentially, their educational record be expunged for the portion they were illegal.
Should illegals not also be
Submitted by NL207 on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 12:07am.
Should illegals not also be deported when discovered?
Yes
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 9:22pm.
If not 100% then pretty close to it. Eisenhower had a good plan - deport illegals deep into Mexican territory, none of the current BS of hand them off at the border where they may more easily slip back in again.
We don't deport Cubans once they touch American soil, except for the criminal/psych unstable ones I would think.
There are probably some other reasonable exceptions, such as true, in need asylum seekers, but that wouldn't include Obama's Aunt Patootie.
I have a better idea. We
Submitted by NL207 on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 12:38am.
I have a better idea. We just decommissioned a bunch of steam catapults with the decommissioning of CV's 59-64. These could be employed down on the border to send these cockroaches back where they belong. :)
Thoughts?
Submitted by z7e1r3o on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 6:03pm.
No argument from me that illegals shouldn't be considered in-state students (or however you want to phrase it).
But this story reminds me of something I had forgotten since graduating from college....why is in-state tuition and out-of-state tuition so different to begin with (for US citizens)? When I was choosing my college, I stayed within my state simply because the expense of going to another state made it too costly.
The difference between the 2 can sometimes be in the tens of $1000's (as the article even demonstrates), but really, what cost is imposed on the school for educating a student from a different state? You can't tell me that food, housing, and the time that teachers spend educating is more expensive just because someone is coming from another state....so what is it? Some tax related oddity? Does anyone know?
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My guess is that the simplest answer...
Submitted by TempusFugit on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 7:31pm.
....is the correct one: since these are state colleges they are subsidized by that state's taxpayers's money. It doesn't really make any sense to be giving discount tuition to the residents of another state. But by the same token, it doesn't make any sense to be giving discount tuition to another COUNTRY's residents
That's easy.
Submitted by virginia republican on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 7:44pm.
Public universities are largely (some more than others) supported by the taxpayers of that state. Why should another state's taxpayer's kids get to pay the tuition when the out-of-stater has never paid a dime in taxes to support the university they want to send their kid to? Also, most, perhaps all states, have a percentage limit on how many out-of-staters they can admit to their public university. Some, like the main UNC campus at Chapel Hill, limit it to 5% IIRC. Furthermore, if you live in a state with excellent public universities, like North Carolina, Virginia, California, Texas, etc., why should you have your state's public university wide open for admission competition to states with only average public universities?
Illegals = Residents???
Submitted by ThisnThat on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 6:08pm.
This is a slippery slope. Because if you're a resident, then you're eligible to vote -- all you have to do is register as a voter. Is that the next step in California -- a legal ruling that says illegals can vote? Then, of cours, they would be able to run for office.
What sense does it make for anyone to be a citizen in this gone-mad country any more? And when are we going to learn this one important lesson -- the courts have become one of our biggest enemies. Right behind the MSM.
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That is where "undocumented"
Submitted by Ashrak on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 8:57pm.
That is where "undocumented" came from.Then, all that remains to solve the "problem" is to document them.This nation already did that kind of "amnesty" thing. It was a disaster.The political correctness has to go and in its place put personal responsibility and direct accountabiltiy.
Here is the only "amnesty" we should offer;Set the National Guard, under the control of each Governor,at regular intervals all along the border. And I do mean all the way around.Nobody gets in except via ports of entry. Anyone can leave wherever they please.Make it known that in three months time, interior enforcement will begin wherebyany illegal captured will be removed, via biometrics, from a list of eligible legal immigrants forever. Anyone willingly going home will be welcomed to knock on the door, wait their turn, ask permission to enter, be given a strict set of paramters to be respected and then Americans will embrace every one of them who does.
Exactly
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 12:12pm.
Furthermore, we RIF at least 50,000 bureaucrats in DC, and use those funds to hire more border guards....put them in planes, Humvees, on horses, whatever....all along the border. With dogs.
Enforce the border. It's not rocket science. Mexico has traffic stops everywhere, armed with Army or Marines. They routinely haul everyone off buses (looking for illegal immigrants for Nico & El Salvador). They require you have your (shocking!) documents in order. They can, and do, search your vehicle. I am sick to death of these whiners yelling racism at providing proof of citizenship, here. I was "profiled" continuously in Latin America, la gringa. No biggie. It's their country. And guess what, this is our country....play by the rules or get out.
And let me add, while I'm ranting....in Guatemala we met a very nice fellow who was married to an American. His wife and child were in Nebraska, but he was doing his "two years" waiting for his green card, as required, in his home country.
These illegals demanding amnesty are shoving law abiding people out of the way for their own selfish reasons. Get to the back of the freakin' line already. I have friends in Costa Rica who have trouble getting tourist visas to come here because of the illegals. It's ridiculous.
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Sorry, but I don't get all
Submitted by ckc1227 on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 7:21pm.
Sorry, but I don't get all bent out of shape over this. If you've been allowed to live in the state and attend public school in the state as a resident all your life, for all intents and purposes, you are a resident of that state. It's illogical and inconsistent to say you can attend K-12 as a resident, but then you're not a resident when you graduate and go to a college in the same state.
The problem isn't getting in-state tuition once you get to college, the problem is being allowed to attend public schools here as an illegal to begin with. Solve THAT problem, and this tuition rate issue will be moot.
And just so there's no misunderstanding, I'm against illegal immigration as much as the next person.
No, you are not. You just
Submitted by Ashrak on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 8:45pm.
No, you are not. You just spent an entire post justifying it.
You present the notion that because a problem wasn't addressed before now, it can't be addressed now. That means all one has to do is break the law long enough and then iti s ok and unpunishable.
Patently ridiculous.
It would be like saying, OK, the only kinds of firearms protected byt he Second Amendment are "those in common use". Ban rifles of a particular type and then tie up such a ban in court for decades, only to say, well the ban can stand because they aren't in common use (when they aren't in common use because they were unjusty banned).
Where I come from, that is called a circle jerk.
Might just be in the interpretation of the post---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 4:13am.
The point I got from ckc is that it is patently stupid to allow illegals to matriculate right up to college level and then get all high and mighty about illegality.
All that does is make the authorities look like asses; whether incompetent ones or just stupid ones, would be up to conjecture.
MD
Wrong
Submitted by Cappmann1962 on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 11:56am.
No, ckc, it isn't the same issue at all. K-12 deals with the "immigrant" issue simply because the students are here in this country, and is tied up in partisan wrangling and self-interest. The college tuition issue is both a fairness issue and a legal issue.
Look at the ruling - "illegal immigrants are entitled to the same in-state tuition breaks that are offered to citizens who attend public colleges and universities". Illegal immigrants aren't entitled to anything, with the limited exception of life-saving medical care and deportation. They aren't supposed to be here at all! How can they get resident tuition when they, by law, aren't residents? And the "same in-state tuition breaks" aren't "offered to citizens who attend public colleges and universities". These breaks are only offered to state residents, not all citizens who attent the school.
"It cannot be the case that states may never give a benefit to unlawful aliens without giving the same benefit to all American citizens,'' wrote Justice Ming W. Chin. And comparing illegals to US citizens is the crux of the issue. This opinion of a state judge is extremely disturbing, in that is clearly equates illegals with American citizens. It's a backwards argument. There should be no argument about giving any benefit to acknowledged unlawful aliens (one wonders how THAT term even got into the ruling). US citizenship entltles people to the rights and benefits of this nation. The only rights illegals are "entitled" to are basic human rights while they are being deported!
Most of the arguments for illegals are that they are productive, they pay taxes, they have family here, they've been here for x-amount of years, they were brought here as children, ect. None of this has any bearing on their status as ILLEGAL aliens in this country. And looking deeper into this issue, what it boils down to is that US taxpayers are subsidizing a college education for illegal aliens, when many of said residents can't even afford to sent their own children to the same school. How is that fair or equitable? Further, out-of-state students are actually penalized when out-of-country students suck up the benefits of this ruling. I always thought it was a requirement to be a judge that you actually KNOW THE LAW! What is the legal basis of this ruling? If someone would compile ALL the costs of illegals, to include education, medical, legal issues, "social benefits", etc., so that Americans could actually see the cost of supporting these people, the issue would get resolved quickly.
This is ridiculous. And
Submitted by wiwf on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 10:01am.
This is ridiculous. And somehow they keep getting elected/reelected in CA.Somehow?!?
Submitted by needle on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 6:43pm.
I doubt anybody knows how many people are running around in CA with false papers like Meg Whitman's Ex-housemaid and how many of them are voting. Of course, that is exactly the way the Democrats and RINOs have "re-invented" California.
California is thoroughly bankrupt in many ways. A perfect example of Soros's Open Society.
- Looking forward to the self-annihilation of the Manipulated Stories Machine.
No bailouts for CA...
Submitted by Cowboy on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 4:46am.
No bailouts for CA...