Newsweek's Reid Pushes 'Ethical' Manner of Spreading Misery Equally a la Canadian Health Care

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"All socialism does is spread misery equally," Rush Limbaugh has oft asserted. Newsweek's T.R. Reid found a Canadian health care enthusiast who would proudly agree.

In a September 21 print edition piece entitled "No Country for Sick Men," -- subtitled "To judge the content of a nation's character, look no further than its health-care system" --  Reid turned to Marcus Davies of the Saskatchewan Medical Society, who insisted he was perfectly happy with the Canadian health care system's long waiting lines.

After all, it's Canada's way of rationing care and he and his fellow countrymen are happy with it, so long as the misery is spread equally across income levels:

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I agreed that Canada does an admirable job of providing free and prompt care to anybody with an acute medical condition. But for nonemergency cases, the system often provides nothing but a long wait. Last summer I tried to get an appointment with an orthopedist in Canada to treat my aching right shoulder; the waiting time, just for an initial consultation, was 10 months. How could you be proud of that?

"You're right," Davies said frankly. "We keep people waiting, to limit costs. But you have to understand something basic about Canadians. Canadians don't mind waiting for elective care all that much, so long as the rich Canadian and the poor Canadian have to wait about the same amount of time."

 Reid was so impressed with Davies' admission that he ended his piece by repeating the quote and implying that American policymakers need to consider a more "ethical" approach to health care policy:

"Canadians don't mind waiting for elective care all that much, so long as the rich Canadian and the poor Canadian have to wait about the same amount of time." In that one sentence, Marcus Davies laid out the ethical basis of Canada's health-care system. The question facing Americans this fall is: what should be the ethical basis of America's health-care system?

At the close of the article, a note about Reid informs readers that the author "was the Correspondent for Two [sic] PBS Frontline documentaries based on" his book "The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care."

—Ken Shepherd is Managing Editor of NewsBusters


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"You're right," Davies said

"You're right," Davies said frankly. "We keep people waiting, to limit
costs. But you have to understand something basic about Canadians.
Canadians don't mind waiting for elective care all that much, so long
as the rich Canadian and the poor Canadian have to wait about the same
amount of time."

Yep. That sounds like spreading misery around equally to me. It also sounds like insanity, too.

“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)

Rush also comments that

Rush also comments that it's impossible to bring everyone up to the level of the most well-off (in any measure) so the only solution to equality is to lower the top beneficiaries.

Canadians don't mind waiting for elective care all that much, so long
as the rich Canadian and the poor Canadian have to wait about the same
amount of time."

And Davies knows this, as a fact?  How?

There are always some vindictive people who don't care if making some rich SOB suffer means that they themselves have to suffer too.  They figure it's worth it, for the sake of spite.

But I doubt that that's the majority of Canadians.

 

 

Taking A Hit For The Team

But I doubt that that's the majority of Canadians.

Bingo, MB. Notice how they often downplay the significance of the wait by using their favourite buzz words like "nonemergency" and "ellective". These are frequently people in a lot of pain and are having their lives totally disrupted. I (a Canadian) have a friend I have run with for over 10 years. He is currently waiting for knee surgery and has be given a timeline of aproximately 10 months (will almost certainly be over a year). Not only is he in a lot of pain and can't run but he can't work! either. He walks with such a pronounced gait I can't help but think he'll wind up with a back problem as well. This is hardy an isolated case. To these mythical Canadians that don't mind waiting I ask this...Are you going to look into the eyes of your 10 year old who is in a lot of pain and waiting for treatment and say "It's O.K Johnny, you can take a hit for the team"?

Happy Canadians

And that, my friend, is why so many happy Canadians move to Phoenix for the winter to get all their elective medical attention taken care of.  I know, I golf with plenty of them.

canadian doctors are human too

My dad's doctor is a Canadian, he came to America to get away from the health care they have in Canadia(ok, it's Canada, I say Canadia because a friend of mine is from Canada and I tease him this way).  He said that if America adopts the same thing, he's going to retire.

-Jon

Elitist snobs

They still have not realized that the push for Socialism in this country will not effect the elitist snobs. Their lives will go on with no change. How stupid. The snobs have not figured out that the only people who benefit from Socialist regimes are the ones in Power. Everybody else will live the same level of misery. However, first you must control the media, keep the folks in the dark, and no one will know that 3000 miles away in DC the corrupters are "spreading the wealth", to each others pockets.

Sorry, I am angry this morning.

Make my life easier, please

You've heard it said that 70% or 80% of the cost of healthcare is spent on the last year of life. Now, I ask you: why is that significant?

The unstated assumption is that the most expensive care is basically pointless. Or, better, that we could all save money if the patients accepted reality and agreed to die sooner than later, thereby releasing funds where they can do "more good."

Have you stopped to think of the ethics of that?

Society would pay less for each patient, and we'd all make out better. But what incentive is that for the patient? What does he get out of the deal? We're asking people to agree to a shorter life to make our expenses easier to manage. How is that ethical? Please die for our budget? It isn't ethical to ask other people to sacrifice to make our lives easier.

This is just simple game theory. In any situation, individuals seek their own self-interest, not yours. You can't ask individuals to sacrifice when it isn't in their self-interest. Or, more precisely, your plan is doomed to failure if you expect individuals to act against their self-interest, even if the "whole" makes out better. The Obama plan asks people to sacrifice for his perception of the greater good, without ever considering how it stands for each individual.

Malignancy

A metastaTIC CARCINOMA SPREADS JUST AS FAST in America or in Canadia.  It spreads just as fast waiting 6 months for an MRI or 6 days.  If you wait 6 months for a MRI, it obviously is much larger and easier to see.

Canada's Health Care System

I recently spent a week in France with my wonderful Mother, and on our tour of Normandy, we met three very nice folks from Edmonton, Alberta. I asked them about the Canadian Health Care system, and they said everything we hear about the long lines and delayed treatment is true. They said the exact things that critics of ObamaCare are saying. I can't think of a better endorsement for canning the idea in the U.S. than the fact that these people told me that many Canadians go across the border on a regular basis to get Health Care in the U.S. Enough said.

Well I live in Canada and

Well I live in Canada and that's got to be one of the stupider things I've heard lately. Ughh.

 I had to have double knee implant surgery and had to wait 5 years just to SEE a specialist. I was a hairs breath away from a wheelchair by the time I finally got to see a doctor.

The health care system here is falling apart and we haven't  been able to find a family doctor since ours moved out of town seven years ago!  The shortage of doctors is critical! Tell me how this is a good system??

And to top it off, we have thousands upon thousands of lazy people sitting back on welfare and disability-people who can work but choose not to-that's how easy it is to get around the system here. They far outnumber those who truly need it and I have absolutely no problem helping to support those in need.

 Meanwhile, I am a small business owner, support my own self and despite my disabilities, am not on any kind of government assistance. Yet I have to pay for these people who btw also get free prescriptions and free basic dental care.

High taxes in Canada BECAUSE we support SO MANY of these lazy individuals. Our system is extremely messed up and I see obama wanting to change the great country of America into exactly what ISN"T working here in Canada. Outrageous!

And he got in as prez BECAUSE of these people all wanting a handout. It will be the crumbling of the US is this is allowed to continue. Guaranteed.

 

"Hypocrisy, the lie, is the true sister of evil, intolerance, and cruelty."

"All socialism does is

"All socialism does is spread misery equally,"

I would only add that if misery doesn't already exist, they create it, then spread it equally.  

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

No Surprise

This is the liberal philosophy in all programs. When liberals say that they want to narrow the gap between rich and poor for example, we naive conservatives assume that means they want to improve the lot of the poor. Liberals however are quite content to accomplish their goals by destroying the rich. Remember the Bamster's illogical stance on capital gains taxes; –when the interviewer pointed out that increasing capital gains taxes often results in less revenue, the Bamster said he was fine with that, because the point of increasing taxes was first 'fairness'.

Obamacare will provide medical care to the Bamster's constituent idle class, at the expense of the rest of us, in dollars as well as medical care and outcome. Medical care available to the average person in America will decline.

I expect that Obamacare must evolve towards a complete outlawing of the purchase of medical care with cash. This is the only way they can meet their objectives.

Canada Health

I'm an American RN who lived and worked in Canada in the 80's and 90's.

 It's nice to go to a doctor's office or hospital anytime you don't feel well, flash you "provincial insurance card," get treated and not get a bill in the mail.

When I developed diabetes, I was put on a "waiting list" and it was 4 months until I was allowed to see a "specialist," not of my choosing, who told me to simply "stop eating cheeseburgers." 

 It is hard for me to admit, but when I was a nurse, I was not only forced to join a union, but I was vastly overpaid and the hospital where I worked was overstaffed to the point where we had 2-hour breaks built into our shifts.

Being able to see a doctor for no charge was great.. (whereas in the USA it might have cost me $30-80 for a checkup).. but 43% taxes taken out of my paycheck for "The Government of Canada" was a stunner.

 Just my experience...