Time's Puff Piece for San Francisco Mayor Newsom

Photo of Ken Shepherd.

Time magazine writer Michael Lindenberger's dispatch "From Gay Marriage's Ground Zero," read more like puffy campaign literature for the liberal Democratic mayor of San Francisco than an objective news piece.

Here's how Lindenberger opened his paean to the thoroughly heterosexual Gavin Newsom.:

Same-sex couples began marrying late Monday night in courthouse ceremonies across California, putting triumphantly happy human faces on a debate that is nevertheless far from over. Crowds turned out to welcome - and, for some, to protest - weddings in Beverly Hills, Oakland and the wine country north of San Francisco.

Later in his piece, Lindenberger took at face value Newsom's recollection of how he decided in 2004 to challenge state law and grant marriage licenses to gay couples. Those "marriages" were later invalidated of course, but the recent decision by California's highest court paved the way for gay weddings, at least between now and November when a ballot initiative may outlaw same-sex marriage.

Lindenberger dutifully transcribed Newsom's insistence that he didn't know how big a deal his civil disobedience would be:

Newsom told TIME he never expected to be in the middle of a fight for gay marriage. "Gay marriage was not on my radar. No one had asked me what I thought about it, and I had never really given it any thought one way or another." But the Bush State of the Union address changed all that. "I just felt deeply disconnected to my country, about which I care about very much. So I decided I'd make my stand by marrying one couple, and we decided [in 2004] we'd issue a marriage license for Phyllis and Del. Little did we know, we'd have 4,036 couples marry before it was over."

Really?! It wasn't until January 20, 2004 that Newsom gave any thought to gay marriage? After all, he is the mayor of perhaps the most alternative lifestyle-friendly city in the United States and the issue had already been percolating for years in some state courts and the halls of Congress.

No, Newsom would have us believe, and Lindenberger failed to challenge the notion, that these two paragraphs towards the end of the 2004 State of the Union Address set Newsom off out of the blue:

A strong America must also value the institution of marriage. I believe we should respect individuals as we take a principled stand for one of the most fundamental, enduring institutions of our civilization. Congress has already taken a stand on this issue by passing the Defense of Marriage Act, signed in 1996 by President Clinton. That statute protects marriage under federal law as a union of a man and a woman, and declares that one state may not redefine marriage for other states.

Activist judges, however, have begun redefining marriage by court order, without regard for the will of the people and their elected representatives. On an issue of such great consequence, the people's voice must be heard. If judges insist on forcing their arbitrary will upon the people, the only alternative left to the people would be the constitutional process. Our nation must defend the sanctity of marriage.

But contrary to Newsom's protests that he acted out of conscience and not political expediency, Lindenberger later revealed Newsom's hope that the thousands of gay couples being "married" between now and November's ballot initiative on gay marriage will essentially shame voters into voting "no" on overturning the court ruling:

[I]t will be those weddings, Newsom told TIME, that will be gay-marriage supporters' best weapon in defeating the amendment. "There are some who just can't get over the idea, the image even, of two men kissing. But for most Californians, I think, if they just pause and think about what gay marriage means to the people they know, they won't want to take it away. The people getting married are your teachers, your neighbors, your cousins. They are the bus drivers, waiters and waitresses and your doctors. They are going to say, well, I never knew Doctor Bob was with his partner for 30 years. But you know, he is a good man, a good doctor. And this has made him just so happy."

As icing on the wedding cake, Lindenberger gave Newsom one last chance to give himself a gold star, noting how the engaged young mayor can sleep at night thanks to his work disobeying state law:

Come what may in November, Newsom says, he'll rest easy knowing he helped make weddings like the one he performed Monday as legal as the one he'll take part in next month, when he marries his girlfriend. "I'm extraordinarily proud of what we've accomplished. I'll sleep well because of this."

—Ken Shepherd is Managing Editor of NewsBusters


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it's a "Beavis and Butt-Head" moment!

heh heh heh..he said "puff piece"..heh heh heh

sorry couldn't resist.

What's sad about this is that the last time Newsome tried this, of the few dozen couples that actually got married (out of hundreds stringing their partners along when they knew they were 'safe" from marriage, or those that only wanted it for political reasons) most of them annulled or even divorced before the marriages were declared null and void by the government. Specialist lawyers were making money by specifically handling gay divorces. 

Lawyers and domestic violence counselors will be in bigger demand soon enough, because the whole "open lifestyle" doesn't gel well with "marriage" in any form. It didn't for Newsome's last experiment, and it won't now.

 

"to call an illegal immigrant an "undocumented alien" is the same as calling a streetcorner drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

...thus proving that this

...thus proving that this whole thing is just propaganda, driven by a need to gain societal acceptance, and has nothing to do with 'rights.'

Proving?  Please back up

Proving?  Please back up that statement.  I know of a few cases where some of the thousands of people married in San Francisco have sought a divorce, but most?  If you are going to make that claim, link a source please.

Honestly, I believe that

Honestly, I believe that this can spell disaster for the Democrat Party. 

many, many Latinos and Blacks are 100% against gay marriage and the whole gay life style thing.

Many hispanics and black voted for President Bush and Republicans based on this issue. 

God help this nation when the majority of Americans believe that it is ok and moral that homosexuals should be married. 

Just look at history though, the great decline of most great civilizations is marked with an acceptance of homosexual practices.  Ancient Greece, Ancient Rome, etc, etc, etc....

As for Newsom, the man is a degenerate, disgusting, moronic, government abuser. 

and please do not insult the Civil Rights movement by comparing it to this degenerate, immoral behavior.  You have a choice who you sleep with, you do not have a choice as to the color of your skin. 

Futbol, I want to ask you a

Futbol, I want to ask you a question because I want to put this in a context that you might understand. (And I am assuming that you are a guy...If you're not, forgive me and switch all the "she" references to a "he" in the following situation)

What goes through your mind when you see a good-looking woman walk into a room, or appear on your television? A woman that you find attractive the very instant you see her. When you first see her, do you say "Okay. She's a female. Her hair is at an acceptable length. She is in reasonably good shape. This is a woman who takes care of herself. And most of all, her breasts are ample. That's it, I have made up my mind, and I have *chosen* to find her attractive".

Is that what you say to yourself? Or do you just say, "Damn, that lady is hot!"

At one point did everybody else choose to be straight? Does the government send out a form when you turn 18 and you have to check either the gay box or the straight box? Because if such a form exists, mine must have been lost in the mail.

"I don't want your 'us or them'..." -- The Cure

I find it funny that some of

I find it funny that some of the people who are most physically repulsed by the idea of homosexuality also say it's a choice.  I challenge them to choose to become attracted to their own sex!

You ever been in prison

You ever been in prison CP?

Oh wait.  Did mentioning that mess up your entire thesis?

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

If it was genetic, wouldn't

If it was genetic, wouldn't you expect that gene to be bred out?

»→ No free

Natural Selection only applies if it bolsters a Liberal talking point.

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I don't think it's genetic,

I don't think it's genetic, not the way you obviously mean.

"I challenge them to choose

"I challenge them to choose to become attracted to their own sex!"

Why would I do that, when I am attracted to women? I think sex with a man would be repulsive and sex with a woman exciting, therefore I have made my choice, why would I choose something I find repulsive? Therefore it is a choice.

Cureboy, You assumption

Cureboy,

You assumption is right, I am a guy. 

However, your question falls flat on its face. 

the only woman that I look at is my wife.  My eyes, heart, soul, my whole being belongs to God and then my wife.

I do not look at women as pieces of meat. 

Before I was married, I also didn't look at women as a pieces of meat. 

Furthermore, while looks are important, to me, morality, intelligence and whether or not she would be a good mother to my childre was way, way, way more important than her looks.  Yes, I find my wife very, very physically attractive, but she has become incredible more attractive as the years have gone by both mentally and physically. 

I might off at 16 to 19 looked at a woman and said, "damn she is hot!"  but I was immature, stupid and while I did know better, I had turned of my morality.  Not a good thing to do. 

Living in Chicago, you can't help to run into and actually make good friends with homosexuals.  My experience, and I am just talking my experience.  I find that homosexuals perceive other human beings as pieces of meat.  Individuals that they can lust over and have sexual fantacies about.  I also find that homosexuals believe that the social and moral rules do not apply to them.  Not all, but most. 

I am unsure where you are going with your questions, maybe you can shine some light into what you are thinking. 

We all can chose who we sleep with.  We are not animals.  We are human beings. 

Today's society wants to opress our humanity and want us to just act on our animal instincts.  the problem with Western culture today is that we are told that we should not have any self-controlled. 

We can all control who we kiss, who we sleep with.  We cannot control the color of our skin.

And while you may not be able to control who you fall in love with, you can control whether or not you take the next step.

A married person can fall in love or find attractive someone of the oppositte sex.  Should that individual sleep with this individual because they find him/her attractive?  If you say yes, then you have your answer of why divorce rate is so hight in Western Culture. 

However, that married person has the ability to think rationally and realize the consequences of sleeping with someone that is not his/her spouse, right? 

same thing with homosexuality, you CAN control who you sleep with, regardless of your emotions. 

 

OK. I didn't mean to imply

OK. I didn't mean to imply that you were a horn dog. I'm sorry if that offended you. But what I'm saying is, the first time you met your wife, you found her attractive right? Was there a rational decisioning process going on in your brain to determine whether or not you found her physically attractive? Or did that happen all by itself.

But, in my case, the only choice is deciding whether or not to act on my feelings (And I don't want to make it sound like I sleep with everybody...My personal sexual history is rather boring and unremarkable and would take less than a minute to describe in its entirety).

I could have made a different choice. I could have decided that I want to find some woman that I didn't have deep feelings for and marry her for the sake of appearances (which would have been pretty selfish because it would have deprived that woman the chance to find somebody who could love her completely).

But I decided to be honest with myself.

And yes, you have made the choice to only be with your wife (and thats terrific, the world needs more of that). But when did you make the choice that you were never going to have romantic feelings for a person of the same sex? When did you sit down and have that talk with yourself? Or is it something that never even occured to you because that is simply not how you are wired?

 

"I don't want your 'us or them'..." -- The Cure

Cureboy, You are right,

Cureboy,

You are right, the very first time I saw my wife I found her very attractive.

But there was a very rational, very, very rational process and thinking before I even thought about dating, proposing and marrying my wife.

You made my point for me, Cureboy.  Your animal instincts is what makes you find another human being attractive.  But it is our human and supernatural being (our soul) that should take over and have us take RATIONAL decisions, not animalistic, instinct based decisions. 

Yes, cureboy, I took a very rational process before I dated, proposed and married my wife.  Both her and I thought about it before we married. 

I understand what you are saying, that you can't help but be attracted to someone else, but what you CAN help is whether or not you take it to the next level. 

That is whether you are single, married, homosexual or heterosexual.

The problem with our society today, is that BOTH homosexuals AND heterosexuals allow their animal instincts rule their life. 

I can understand that you may think you are wired that way, fine, so be it. 

But do you believe you can't control who you sleep with?  Of course you can. 

 

OK.  I appreciate the fact

OK.  I appreciate the fact that you can understand that I never made the choice to be gay.  And, although I get tired of doing the argument of "pedophiles also claim to be wired that way so shouldn't we allow that to happen", I'll put it to you this way.  If a grown man takes a young child into his bedroom for sex, that young child is a victim.  But if a grown man takes another grown man into his bedroom for sex, where is the crime?  There is no crime.  So this isn't about the law and it is about what you personally believe is a sin or what is immoral.  And I always thought having rights was about treating everybody equally...And not about a certain section of the population deciding who should have what rights and priveledges based on what they personally believe is moral or immoral. 

 

"I don't want your 'us or them'..."  --  The Cure

CB, you're falling behind.

CB:  If a grown man takes a young child into his bedroom for sex, that young child is a victim

Not according to certain "child rights" movements, who are obtaining a lobby of their own.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1640511/posts

The NVD is real Cureboy.  You cannot move the goal posts on a societal standard and then claim, "Here's where it will stay."

This is what you are doing.  Sure, you got your cake like you wanted, but you inherited an entire bakery to boot.  Others want cake now.  You cannot deny them their piece while you sit and eat yours.

-PJ 

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

Cureboy, You missed the

Cureboy,

You missed the whole point.  While you may not have the ability to chose who you are attracted to physically, you do have the ability to chose who you have sex with, right? 

Furthermore, with your whole child in the bedroom example.  Cureboy, what do you say to countries like Holland and other nations around the world which have lowered the consensual age for sex to 12 years old?  now what?  You MUST answer this question because that is what is happening around the world, countries lowering the legal age for consensual sex.  now what? 

Also, while something may be legal, it doesn't make it moral. 

homosexual sex acts are a crime against morality, against our very human nature.

lastly this statment of yours, "And I always thought having rights was about treating everybody equally...And not about a certain section of the population deciding who should have what rights and priveledges based on what they personally believe is moral or immoral."

Cureboy, we do this ALL the time, we do this with children, we do this with adults.  Our government and we the voters decide what sections of society have what rights based or what is moral and amoral. 

how can a society function if morality is thrown out the window? 

Do we not constantly decide to take away the rights of a murderer? rapist?  based on what?  the personal beliefs of Americans on what is moral and amoral. 

are you suggesting anarchy?

and then who decides what is right and wrong? 

are you suggesting that it is ridiculous to take away the right from a person to have sex with their sibling, mother, father, etc because the incest laws are based on someone's personsal beliefs of what is moral and amoral? 

Your argument is a slippery-slope argument, Cureboy, where does it end? 

and remember, we ALL have a choice who we decided to sleep with. 

Nailed down.  Don't even

Nailed down.  Don't even think of editing this one.

-PJ

Homosexuality is an

Homosexuality is an aberation of humankind, it is unnatural. Male and female were designed for each other not the same sex. But in any production run there are defective products and homosexuals are those defects in society as is pedphelia and bestiality.

I mention those because if you are going to define or more aptly redefine marriage why does it have to stop with 2 people. I mean a man and a woman are needed for procreation and society has relied on this arrangement for the protection and propagation of families and of the species.
So cant we have 3 or 4 or 20 in a marriage?

And why stop with the number why not work in ages there, why not a 10 year old or even a 4 year old and you know some person out there really loves their dog so lets include them.
Yep it really opens the envelope.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

"the only woman that I look

"the only woman that I look at is my wife. My eyes, heart, soul, my whole being belongs to God and then my wife."

Wish I could say the same fut. I'm married as well but I believe you can look at the menu as long as you don't order anything.

My point is lot of spouses look at people of the opposite sex. My wife admits she likes to look at handsome guys too.

I am repulsed by the act of homosexuality, but I far be it from to tell anyone else who they can be with.

I don't have as much issue with gay marriage as a moral issue, but i am scared of the impact it can have on our medical system and other government laws when it comes to spouses.

 

 

shawn228, Thanks guy. 

shawn228,

Thanks guy.  But it is true, my wife is all I look at, nothing else.  Believe me, I had to learn to not allow my eyes to stray and get "distracted". 

But out of complete respect to her, when she is in the room, she is the only woman I look at.  When she is not in the room, she is the only woman I think of and I have a mental picture of her in my mind. 

As for the gay issue, I honestly believe that wide acceptance of homosexuality marks the great decline of a society.

From health issues, to moral issues, it brings all societies down.

I understand cureboy's position, but emotions and feelings cannot over rule our human and supernatural side.  We cannot rationalize the acceptance of a sin because something feels good, or because we supposedly do not have a choice. 

There have been many studies of some mass murderers which show that they were "wired" to believe that murder was ok.  Should we then not punish these individuals because literally it was beyond their control to murderer other individuals?  of course not. 

Weren't ancient Greece and

Weren't ancient Greece and Rome accepting of homosexuality during the periods when they were the pinnacle of civilization on earth, as well as when they declined?  How do you get see cause and effect there?

"Pinnacle" and decline

"Pinnacle" and decline still equals zero upward trend. 

Hello?

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

Trach, We completly

Trach,

We completly disagree on religion, but damn, you hit the nail on the head on this one.

thanks for the backing on this one!

What the person above did not get is that homosexuality started the decline, destroyed these societies and ended the pinnicle of these empires.

Historically, it can be proven that the mass acceptance and practice of homosexuality marks the decline of all great societies. 

»→ Wait a second

Was Israel a great society?

Was it homosexuality that brought it down?

I don't agree with your sweeping analysis.

Come to think about it, didn't Israel get led into captivity because they knelt down to idols?

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Cool Arrow, My other

Cool Arrow,

My other angry friend. 

Hmmm....

doesn't matter if you agree with my "sweeping" analysis...the FACTS don't need you to agree with them in order for them to be FACTS. 

Much love my bretheren. 

»→ Hey footsie

Historically, it can be proven that the mass acceptance and practice of homosexuality marks the decline of all great societies. - futbolisgreat1

Well we certainly agree on one thing.  Your Church is a great society.

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Cool - I'm sure there are homosexuals in your faith also

Catholics don't have any more percentage of them than anyone else. Others don't get as much attention - that's the only difference.

Dee, Why do you bother

Dee,

Why do you bother with Cool Arrow on this topic?

His heart hates the Roman Catholic Church. So be it. That's between him and our Maker.

 Cool Arrow knows that he is speaking lies. let him. I am hoping that one day he realizes how wrong and intolerant he is.

Homosexuality in the RCC is a horrible thing. No one can deny this. How some dioceses delt with the problem was also pretty ridiculous AND sinful.

However, homosexuality is NOT accepted or sanctioned by the Roman Catholic Church, The Pope, etc.  I know Cool Arrow will try to come back with some "snarky" childish remark.  So be it.  He seems to get a kick out of his immaturity.  Until he realizes how foolish he looks, he won't stop.  But most of us have learned this the hard way. 

Cool Arrow knows this.

He is just trying to get me upset. I have learned with both Trach and Cool Arrow, they are not in search of the Truth. They just want to egg you into an endless debate and insult you. So be it, I will not play their childish games anymore.

They are children of Christ, of God as much as I am and as such, they deserve my respect. I wish them no harm.

I love them as my fellow Christian bretheren and human beings.

I hope both of them find peace soon and that both realize that God, Christ is the answer.

I mean it when I say that I pray for them. They deserve as much and much, much more.

They are both my bretheren in Christ.

fut - I think that it is best to

avoid religious discussion with them. You are confident and well versed in your faith and I admire that about you. I'm sorry that you have to put up with abuse about it.

»→ I guess that means

I guess that means you're not going to cite your source about all religions having the same rate of homosexuality or pedophilia

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Cool - see my comment below

It's not a Catholic only problem

Dee, Thanks for the

Dee,

Thanks for the kudos. 

I truly mean it that I pray for them and I hope both of them find peace.

But I agree with you, I learned it the hard way, it is pointless to debate religion with them. 

May God grant them both the peace that they so desperatly seek. 

 

»→ Of course it's pointless

Your source is "the doctrines of men".

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»→ Dee

Which other Christian denomination moved their shepherds from one church to another to avoid the exposure and prosecution?

All other incidences I'm aware of involved public repentance and/or prosecution.

And now I'll ask for your source on the equal representation among other religions.  You can't jump in there with that (same as other religions) remark without backing it up.

I just know I hear about it all the time

but it's only about the person being caught there never is the follow up about what the church does to stop it from happening again.

The only famous one I know about is Ted Haggart. I've heard many stories throughout the years about local people that no one would have ever heard of and whose names I wouldn't remember. If you Google Evangelical Gay Pastors you'll find lots of stories.

It's naive to think it's a Catholic problem. All Christian churches have sinners. We are all sinners.

Dee, Don't do it. Cool

Dee,

Don't do it. Cool Arrow is trying to egg you into a debate.

Remember, no matter what you show him, what you don't show him, what you say or don't say, in his mind, at least with this issue, you are right and he is wrong.

leave him alone.

He loves to ask and ask questions, but he can't answer one simple answer....

Why does Cool Arrow hate the Roman Catholic Church with such a passion?

Like I said, I truly believe he can't answer this question because he knows that his hate for the Church is irrational and if he dares puts his hate into words, he will see how irrational he is being.

I repeat myself, I hope Cool Arrow finds peace. He desperatly needs it.

Get some sleep

Guys,

What are you doing up at this hour.  The sun is up in Germany but night is going strong there in the US.  Get some sleep and start again after the sun comes up.

Cool, the answer to your question is all Christian Churches.  Good night.

»→ Expatriot

You cannot say that with any veracity because, though conected by faith, most denominations do not shuffle their preachers.  This is because individual churches go recruiting for replacement preachers rather than have one foisted upon them by "headquarters".

You know this, and for that reason, your indictment of "all Chrstian Churches" is unfounded.  It's between you and your God whether you feel enough conviction to repent of it"

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Strike a nerve?

Cool,

Your anti-catholic bashing is bad enough.  Your attack on all christianity is unfounded and not necessary.  I will pray for you and hope that you will find forgiveness in the Lord.

Good night and God Bless you.

»→ No expat

You condemned all Christian Churches with the indictment that all of them engage in "hide the wolf"

I made no such claim against "all Christin Chrches"

Get some sleep

Good night cool and God Bless you and your family.

»→ Ted Haggart?

"I hear about it all the time

What kind of source is that?

Furtherore, I thought they kicked Haggart out on his butt rather promptly.  Do you have information to the contrary on that guy?  Was he shuffled into another flock as a wolf in sheep's clothing?

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Cool - that's why I said google it

I don't care to spend time compiling statistics about it. If you do go ahead. There are tons of stories out there. Most are from local papers and things and don't make it to the National News.

This won't silence him

This won't silence him either, but if he is going to keep on hating, I wonder why he doesn't hate Protestants....

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1058/is_9_121/ai_n6146585

Lutherans settle in Texas sex abuse case
Christian Century,  May 4, 2004 

The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America has reached a settlement with 14 people who flied civil charges against a former pastor in Texas who has been convicted of use of child pornography and sexual abuse of children.

Gerald P. Thomas Jr. was pastor of Good Shepherd Lutheran Church in Marshall from 1997 until 2001 when he was charged with possession of child pornography and sentenced to five years in federal prison in 2002. A jury added 397 years to Thomas's imprisonment in a state trial last year in which he was convicted of multiple counts of sex crimes against children.

The civil suit in the ease was partially settled April 12 when District Judge Bonnie Leggett in Marshall approved terms reached by the plaintiffs and the national office of the ELCA; Trinity Lutheran Seminary in Columbus, Ohio; a clergy candidacy commit-. tee in Michigan; and Thomas's former church.

"This lawsuit has been deeply troubling to all involved, and we acknowledge its seriousness," said John Brooks, an ELCA spokesman, in a statement April 12. "Prior to Thomas's arrest, the ELCA was unaware of the former pastor's reprehensible conduct toward the plaintiffs in the case. Nevertheless, the ELCA is deeply sorry that anyone was victimized by Gerald Thomas."

Brooks could not discuss particulars of the civil suit settlement, but he observed that allegations of inappropriate sexual contact with children by ELCA clergy are "very rare." Church policy requires ELCA bishops to seek an offending pastor's resignation if credible evidence supports such charges, Brooks said.

The terms of the settlement were not released, but the ELCA said at least part of the agreement is funded by insurance. "In reaching the settlement, the ELCA admitted to no wrongdoing by the church," the statement said.

A civil trial involving other defendants--the local Northern Texas--Northern Louisiana Synod, its former bishop and his assistant--was set to begin April 13.

»→ Something missing

Whre's the part where the church tied to cover it up and moved the preacher into another unsuspecting congregation?

Yes, a church can get infected with a pedophile clergyman, but the churh is condemned in the eyes of God when it tries to hide the sin and protect the wolf.

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Cool Arrow, Stop it!

Cool Arrow,

Stop it! Enough!!!  this is getting truly evil.

Satan is laughing at how he has used us both to attack denominations of Christianity. 

Have your feelings, your emotions and your hate.

I am done with you. 

this is not doing Protestant or Catholics any good.

My Protestant friends, I apologize for cutting and pasting such disgusting articles against the Protestant faiths. 

Cool Arrow, please, honestly stop it.  You are harming ALL Christian denominations and ALL Christians. 

May you find your peace my friend. 

Turn to God, He will help you find peace. 

Take care and enjoy newsbusters....see you around, but don't expect me to reply to any of your posts anymore. 

DELETE!

DELETE!

Dee, Now that two

Dee,

Now that two articles have been show, look at Cool Arrow move the goal post. 

My bad, let's leave him alone.  He knows, as well as you and I, that he is wrong. 

but it is easier for him to believe that he is right. 

It is obvious that he finds some type of distorted comfort in his irrational hatred for the Church. 

The guy demands answers to his questions, yet he can't answer ours. 

leave him be. 

OK fut

I know it occurs in all churches.  Never said it doesn't.

But churches differ greatly in who the perpetrtors are and how the cases are handled.  The sin is upon those individual priests (and preachers).  The coverup is upon the institutions that engaged in it.

I did not move the goalpost.  A church is not complicit in a sin until it is made aware of its commission and acts perversely to God's Law.

Thank God The new Bishop of Rome has put out a no tolerance policy.

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»→ Dee

So we've devolved to PeeWee's playhouse.

"I know you are, but what am I"

"Same to you but more of it"

"I'm rubber, you're glue.  It bounces of me and sticks to you"

Delete!

Delete!

Cool Arrow, Darn, I fell

Cool Arrow,

Darn, I fell for it.  Enough!!! 

this is turning evil.  You are demanding that we search for the lowest denominator on Christianity.  Giving weapons to our enemies and to Satan. 

Honestly, this is evil.  I should have never cut and pasted and linked anyone to these stories.

No one should be displaying in public their dirty laundry.

I apologize to all Protestants. 

I know that neither Protestants or Roman Catholic leaders are about accepting, pushing or allowing sexual child abuse. 

Cool Arrow, honestly, this is evil.  Move on.

May God help you find peace.  I am deleting a few posts now.

think what you want to think, but truly this is evil and a perfect weapon for Satan.

Move on Cool.....this has taken a turn to the disgusting!

DELETE!

DELETE!

Cool Arrow,  I am truly

Cool Arrow,

 I am truly sadden by the hate that you display for the Roman Catholic Church.  I have never experienced such irrational hate in my life. 

why do you hate the Church so much Cool Arrow?  why? 

You have always refused to answer this question.  I wonder if you know it is irrational and you afraid that if you answer it, you will realize how irrational your hate is. 

I know you are trying to egg me into some ridiculous "debate" of yours. 

No my bretheren in Christ, you will not get it. 

I love you my brethern, and I will pray for your soul and for your irrational hate to subside. 

I love you my friend. 

May you find peace my bretheren in Christ. 

Remember, God loves you. 

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Still wearing that good luck charm?

Still got the ulcers?

Hope the migraines go away

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The argument was for the sake of the subject; not for your rep.

How self-centered is this?

Fut:  thanks for the backing on this one!

Let's get one thing clear Futbol. . .

I don't back heretics that brag about the unrepentant filth of vigilantism dripping from their own two hands.

I don't back heretics that claim they don't have any valid questions to answer for on another thread.

I don't back heretics that preach a gospel of self-centered merit.

And I don't "back" heretics that are admonished by their first pope to give a defense for the hope that is within them, who then turn coward and withold it in the name of pagan mysticism.

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

Trach, You are a very

Trach,

You are a very angry individual.....

 Regardless of what you said in your incoherent rant...

Thank you for backing me up. 

 

Fut -

I think PJ has decided that he can tell what is in peoples hearts. Most of us know that humans can't do that.

Dee, Yes, sadly enough PJ

Dee,

Yes, sadly enough PJ seems to believe that he is God.  The ONLY being that knows what is in our heart.

So be it.  He is still my bretheren in Christ. 

He has a right to believe what he wants, however wrong he might be. 

I admire his passion and zealotry(good conotation of the word).  If we had more Roman Catholics like him in the Catholic Church, the world would be a much better place.  (yes cool arrow, I await your snarky, immature remark).  If more Roman Catholics knew how to defend God, His Church and the Church's Theology like he knows how to defend his theology, Catholics would be able to peacefully conquer the world like they did during Ancient Rome. 

He is my bretheren in Christ, a human being and as such I respect him and hope only good things for him. 

 

May God guide him and may he find peace in his life.

 

Nun in White

I would like to know if there is a nun/sister whatever the proper name is.,.all dressed in white...and who she is if she is...anybody know?

With rosaries in her hand..and on her?

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

bigtimer, Are you

bigtimer,

Are you speaking of the Virgin of Fatima? 

fut... No...I don't think

fut...

No...I don't think so anyway.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

bigtimer, are you

bigtimer,

are you thinking of St. Therese of Little Flower? 

fut... I don't know who

fut...

I don't know who that  she was (she was older than me) but I saw her, I talked to her on my way to the other side..long ago, I have never forgotten it...maybe we should PM later...a lot of thnigs have happened to me inside of a Catholic Church ...long ago.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

bigtimer, Yes, send me a

bigtimer,

Yes, send me a PM, it sounds very interesting what you have to say. 

Looking foreward to your PMs about what's happen to you inside a Roman catholic church.

fut... I just pray I

fut...

I just pray I do.

I have known a long time ago I could learn a lot from you...that is part of the reason I am always glad you show up now and then.

No offense meant to others. 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

Bigtimer, I believe you

Bigtimer,

I believe you are talking about Our Lady of Lourdes.  She is often shown wearing white, as a nun, and carrying a rosary. 

I am almost sure this is who you ment.  Look pictures of her up and hopefully She is who you are talking about. 

fut... Thank YOU! I will.

fut...

Thank YOU! I will. I am happy instantly with your answer...can't explain it..but I know what I mean...and thank you once again...more than you know.

Wow...everything does happen for a reason.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

BT,

BT:  I don't know who that  she was (she was older than me) but I saw her, I talked to her on my way to the other side..long ago, I have never forgotten it...maybe we should PM later...a lot of thnigs have happened to me inside of a Catholic Church ...long ago.

1. How do you know this apart from her clothing and appearance?
2. Did she reply?  
3. If she did, how do you know you can trust what she said?
4. So you're saying you'll trust a spiritual vision (and foster the memory of it) in deference to a more reliable form of divine revelation because she, he, or it singled you out personally?
5. Have you consulted an actual minister regarding this vision?

C'mon BT, you're smarter than this! >_<

-PJ  

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

You guys are truly

You guys are truly fascinating.

Check out "your guys" on the Daily Kos CP

You liberals are the most facinating of all.

You trach...weren't in my

You trach...weren't in my place...you don't know what you are talking about...and keep out of this....

I was talking to fut.

Period.

"Never murder you