Recent videos from two investigative reporters, James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles, with the help of Andrew Breitbart, showed that community-group ACORN engaging in scandalous practices. But MSNBC host Rachel Maddow argued Sept. 24 that wasn't the story that mattered.
ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, was hit hard by the videos showing employees giving tax avoidance advice to a "pimp" and "hooker."
But Maddow rose to the defense of ACORN which she called a right-wing "bogeyman," crusading for them on her MSNBC show. She accused corporations of going into "kill mode" against the organization which helps "poor people."
"Thanks to the right-wing crusade against it, ACORN has become a household acronym, and Republican America's most reliable trumped up bogeyman," Maddow said. "It was the sixth most covered story in the country last week. ACORN has been caricatured by people, like Congressman [Steve] King, as a corrupt, criminal enterprise that steals elections and turns a blind eye to prostitution. That's the storyline the mainstream media has latched on to, as well."
Maddow however, had another philosophy.
"What you might not know from all of the breathless ACORN damnation coverage is what ACORN actually does," Maddow said. "They do things like advocating for a higher minimum wage. They do things like helping low- income families file their taxes. They do things like helping low-income families find jobs. They do things like registering people to vote."
So with all those good deeds why was ACORN getting such bad press? According to Maddow it is because when corporations feel threatened they hire lobbyists and create "corporate-funded purportedly grassroots organizations" to hold the poor down.
"That sort of work, as you might expect, has the tendency to rile up the kinds of industries that really don't want minimum wage to go up and really aren't that psyched about lots of poor people being registered to vote," Maddow continued. "And as we discovered most recently in the health care debate, when industries sense a threat to their profits, they go into kill mode. They create corporate-funded purportedly grassroots organizations to derail and destroy whomever they believe to be the source of that threat."
Then Maddow produced her own bogeyman for MSNBC viewers, Richard Berman, who was a popular target of the left long before the latest ACORN scandal began. Maddow assigned some of the blame to Berman for giving ACORN a bad name (ignoring the prostitution scandal).
"Well, in the case of ACORN, I'd like you to meet Richard Berman," Maddow said. "He's a Washington, D.C.-based lobbyist who is essentially a hired gun for corporations.
Say you're a company that doesn't really want the minimum wage to be raised. But you also don't want to be seen fighting ACORN yourself. What you do is you hire Richard Berman. And what you get is RottenACORN.com, a grassroots-ish looking Web site dedicated to destroying ACORN and its, quote, ‘political thugs for hire.'"
Maddow admitted people were well within their right to lobby against ACORN. She used that monologue to lead into a segment featuring Occidental College Peter Dreier, who authored a study entitled "Manipulating the Public Agenda: Why ACORN was in the News and What the News Got Wrong." He maintained ACORN was getting unfair treatment from the press - after being largely ignored.




















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It's obvious Maddow must be an ACORN PIMP!
September 26, 2009 - 03:51 ET by MightyMouthWhich would explain alot. Her pimping would largely be ignored by the MSM, but now the light of day is shed upon ACORN and Maddow. Can MSNBC sink any lower?
"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"
Rachel is typical
September 26, 2009 - 04:13 ET by Andrew H.Rachel is typical liberal... avoid doing anything about the corruption if its a liberal group--and (of course) expect and demand the rest of us pay them. She sits comfortably isolated from any "poor" people and probably has never met one.
Her kung fu is weak.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
maddow the gymnast
September 26, 2009 - 04:14 ET by konoRachel has to perform some unlikely twists to claim that corporate efforts to suppress the poor are behind the fall of ACORN. The high degree of difficulty of her routine here can't make up for all her slips and falls, though... give her a 4.4.
This is why her show sucks so bad.
September 26, 2009 - 04:29 ET by superconDoes she really think people believe that crap...? "It was the sixth most covered story in the
country last week." Not by her network.
Say you're a company that doesn't really want the minimum wage to be
raised. (Pelosi+tuna+Guam)But you also don't want to be seen fighting ACORN yourself.
What you do is you hire Richard Berman. And what you get is
RottenACORN.com, a grassroots-ish looking Web site dedicated to
destroying ACORN and its, quote, ‘political thugs for hire.'" That woud be fine except they are not the ones who brought down ACORN. As usual Maddow demonstrates why her ratings suck. She just makes stuff up.
" if Republicans are able to stop Barack Obama on health care, 'it will be his Waterloo, it will break him...." -Sen. Jim DeMint
I hope she and Olbermann both die of cancer
September 26, 2009 - 05:24 ET by Lord ErondFor their persistent and vulgar attempts to distort the truth to the people who they are supposed to report the truth to.
"Let him who would move the world, first move himself." -Socrates
"We sit together, the mountain and I, until only the mountain remains." -Li Po
Lord have mercy-- honest
September 26, 2009 - 05:31 ET by Jack BauerLord have mercy--
honest dude, I don't think we, as conservatives, should stoop to the left's public vileness.
Lord
September 26, 2009 - 05:31 ET by ricklailTruth is an unknown value at MSNBC. If it makes the One look good then truth does not matter. MSNBC does not try and hide their bias.
Semper suprene nitens
OBAMACARE: If it ain't good enough for my Congressman then it ain't good enough for me.
too much
September 26, 2009 - 05:48 ET by AgnosticThe parallel is not lost but on this issue it is better to maintain the higher moral ground since it is an easy win. The problem won't be winning the issue it will be getting the story out - which will happen very, very slowly. Now if they could find out that a small group of Republicans are secretely running ACORN the story would be coast to coast with every bit of corruption scrutinized.
A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections
This is garbage and should be deleted by Lord Erend
September 26, 2009 - 05:49 ET by TheHistorianI hope she and Olbermann both die of cancer
September 26, 2009 - 06:24 ET by Lord Erond
Lord Erond: For you to wish that ANYONE dies of cancer demonstrates that you have serious mental issues. I call upon you to delete this comment or to change it and to get appropriate counseling.
And no, I am NOT a liberal. I am a conservative who believes anyone can express an opinion about anything, but your opinion on Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann shows that YOU have at least as many problems mentally as these people have. Please comment more responsibly.
That's messed up...
September 26, 2009 - 05:58 ET by BronxBomberWishing cancer on someone is sick...really repulsive...disgusting...BLECCCHHHHH
I think you may be an agent provocateur...
We gotta find a new planet...
Jeez, couldn't you just
September 26, 2009 - 06:23 ET by NewsbusterbrownJeez, couldn't you just wish them laryngitis any time they're in front of a mic instead?
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
For anyone that wants to use this highly inappropriate post...
September 26, 2009 - 06:25 ET by Tailgunner...for their own agenda...
...know that this poster does not speak for me or anyone that I know on Newsbusters.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
Kilgore Trout....
September 26, 2009 - 11:54 ET by superconis that you...?
" if Republicans are able to stop Barack Obama on health care, 'it will be his Waterloo, it will break him...." -Sen. Jim DeMint
Oops...sorry.
September 26, 2009 - 11:58 ET by superconDouble post. LGF sucks.
" if Republicans are able to stop Barack Obama on health care, 'it will be his Waterloo, it will break him...." -Sen. Jim DeMint
Look for this
September 26, 2009 - 13:53 ET by Jerry MackLook for Lord Eronds post to appear on DK, HP, MO and probably MSNBC. Just what we do not need. LE should be banned from this website for attempting to destroy the integrity of this website.
Disgusting
September 26, 2009 - 13:56 ET by Free StinkerDisgusting.
Conservatives reject such aweful remarks.
"President Obama is learning on the job and it shows." --Boris Epshteyn
Matthews is the biggest
September 26, 2009 - 05:27 ET by ricklailMatthews is the biggest turd on the crap pile. Obermann is second and this ignoramious has to be third. No fourth. Schultz is 3rd.
Semper suprene nitens
OBAMACARE: If it ain't good enough for my Congressman then it ain't good enough for me.
Go see some of the stuff that is going on with ALG
September 26, 2009 - 05:32 ET by TheHistorianAmericans for Limited Government issued a press release yesterday, which called for voting to totally defund ACORN. See ALG's website on the response they received from NBC News. See what NBC claims; however, I don't see Jane Stone out there yet, but ALG stands by their story.
http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/25/nbc-to-anti-acorn-group-bite-me-jew-boy/
http://biggovernment...
"What experience and history teach is
this - that people and governments never have learned anything from history,
or acted on principles deduced from it."
G. W. F. Hegel
The need for acorn
September 26, 2009 - 05:43 ET by AgnosticA large portion of the wealthy, socially elite or disconnected and the socially ignorant need groups like acorn to feel good about helping the poor without doing anything about the conditions which create poverty or getting their hands dirty with actual effort. It didn’t matter that ACORN was corrupt as long as they were willing to go into the inner cities and the poverty stricken areas and make a show of how they were helping the poor. As long as this show was going on there were millions of people across America that dropped money into this organization then praised themselves for being socially conscious and doing a good deed.
A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections
The Truth about the Lies about ACORN?
September 26, 2009 - 05:49 ET by FuzzlenutterCan anyone dig deeper into the filth? Ooops, I forgot about Olbermann, Matthews, and Schultz. Forgive me...
The lesbo liberal is drunk with stupidity!
September 26, 2009 - 12:54 ET by goldenthroat"She accused corporations of going into 'kill mode' against the organization which helps 'poor people' ".
Aw, doesn't your heart just bleed for these poor little beaten up liberals? Forget the fact that they are breaking the law, mis-using federal dollars for their left-wing scams, being investigated in 14 states for their election fraud activities - and just plain getting caught with their hands in the proverbial cookie jar!
Rachael Madcow defends this?
Doesn't this kind of irrational thinking give you a pain where a pill can't reach?
"Inferior people should not be employed!" - Firesign Theatre
Never mind those humanity
September 26, 2009 - 13:35 ET by general companyRidden Dems decieded charity sucks? Iriony knows no bounds.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Trapped NOT Entrapped
September 26, 2009 - 05:58 ET by Retired GeekGiles-O'Keffe did NOT entrap these Liberal 'ACORN Thugs' by using a hidden camera with audio and subterfuge.
What trapped those Liberal ACORN thugs were their personal belief system, that Humans (even children) are to be brutalized, utilized for Hedonistic personal pleasure, profit and gain.
Liberal policies, programs and rules have the 'Direct Collateral' damage of Children being conceived and used for nothing more than to increase 'Liberal Benefits'.
The emotional damage to children cannot be calculated, when those children realize that the only reason for their existence (in their conceivers eyes) was to 'Work the Liberal System' of benefits.
There was 'No Joy or Love' about those childrens conception and birth, only a cold and calculating method of 'Working the System'.
How sad and disastrous for the children in particular and society in general!
God save us from this Liberal Insanity.
I am at a loss
September 26, 2009 - 06:16 ET by bobwhiteI am at a loss as to how these wretched shells of human beings live with themselves.
I usually don't have much to say but these leftist liars are really beginning to irk me.
Man Cow is a Moron
September 26, 2009 - 06:19 ET by carolina09There is no following this idiotic and incoherent reasoning. Do they even hire a writer for herm?
WE DON'T NEED NO EDUCATION...
September 26, 2009 - 09:11 ET by danybhoyMaddow has a degree from Stanford University, then went to England on a Rhodes Scholarship & went Lincoln College & the University of Oxford. You would think that somebody with this sort of educational backround would'nt have their head jammed up their @$$ to the point they can't see the world around them, but that is exactly Maddow's problem. She has been fawned over by the elites in Manhattan & in the Beltway, been given great media reviews, & yet, her numbers suck. It does'nt matter if it was Air America, does'nt matter if it's BSNBC now, few are watching, & it's crap reporting/commentary like she put out here that is at the root of the problem. Stop reading your press scrap-book Rachel, & work on the ratings book. Then again, you work for a gov't funded operation, performance does not matter.
This is a highly educated woman, & if you watched her every night, you would never know it.
"...How blind can you be, don't you see...
...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."
Nightwish
Um, aren't those private
September 26, 2009 - 09:16 ET by RR GOPUm, aren't those private schools?
I get so confused around here. Perhaps someday fellow conservatives will blame the twits for being twits and not their teachers.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
RR GOP...
September 26, 2009 - 17:14 ET by danybhoyPlease don't confuse private with elite. Whether the school is private or not at the university level does not seem to matter when it comes to having hard line leftists teaching at them. On top of that, her dad was in the USAF & her mom was in the education system. She does'nt seem to have hippie roots, which leaves us with the teachers. Many parrents have little idea what their kids are taught today in college, & just how far to the left they can be.
"...How blind can you be, don't you see...
...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."
Nightwish
All ACORNs are nuts!
September 26, 2009 - 07:32 ET by Desperado67What Maddog misses in her defense is that there are plenty of other organizations and individuals out there who advocate policies to help the poor, but they do so without wasting taxpayer dollars and aid & ebedding people to commit illegal acts. That is what separates ACORN from the rest.
http://www.examiner.com/x-6996-Louisville-Economic-Policy-Examiner~y2009m9d18-All-Nuts-are-not-ACORNs
Rob Binsrick - Louisville Economic Policy Examiner
Maddog
September 26, 2009 - 07:39 ET by jaywlI caught a glimpse of this, ah, woman, attempting to be a serious journalist the other day. Complete with a Cronkite deep, sonorous voice she tried to "break the news" of the census worker's death in WV. "We have breaking news' she intoned about a two-week old death. Since the FBI and other investigators refuse to rule out even suicide, her report was laughable. She attempted to link right wing crazies and the anti-Obama protesters with the guy's death and the word FED written on his chest (unconfirmed as of yesterday either as being there or any indication of how it got there.) She should stick with what she knows best, on cable, late at night, in SF, pay-per-view and see if she can make a living selling that.
I is still confused with the whole registering people to vote.
September 26, 2009 - 07:59 ET by JWFIt took me 5 minutes to register to vote at the town hall.
Are poor peoples that bad off that they cannot take 5 minutes from their lower than minimum wage job?
illegals
September 26, 2009 - 14:03 ET by Jerry MackQuestion : Who is the first person that an illegal meets when they enter the U.S.?
Answer: An ACORN employee that registers them into the democrat party.
Answer for your question: Not only are they registered into the democrat party, they also fill out forms for absentee ballots, told who to vote for and assist them in completing their ballots. This is why they are under indictment in several states.
Rachel Maddow is embarrassing to herself and Liberals.
September 26, 2009 - 08:10 ET by acaiguanaBut she doesn't even know that.
"What you might not know from all of the breathless ACORN damnation coverage is what ACORN actually does," Maddow said."
Yes, what does ACORN do?
"They do things like advocating for a higher minimum wage."
The Joint Economic Committee of the Congress of the United States published in 1996 the following:
"Once again, we hear the cries to raise the minimum wage. The rhetoric is familiar; "the minimum wage isn't a living wage," and "we need to ensure that work pays." However, raising the minimum wage is a misguided passion. All the valid research shows that raising the minimum wage destroys jobs. It hurts exactly those workers it intends to help -- the poor, the unskilled, and the young. Everyone wants to see income growth boost the economic well-being of the working poor, but throwing many of them out of work is not the solution.
"Sawing Off The First Rung
"The major way the minimum wage hurts the poor is by cutting off the first rung of the employment ladder. Raising the minimum wage destroys jobs. This statement is incontrovertible. Economists have consistently proven the job-destroying effects of higher minimum wages.[1] But more importantly, higher minimum wages destroy entry-level jobs. Without entry level jobs, low-skilled and young workers cannot start jobs and gain valuable work skills.[2] "
Hell of a way to help the poor, huh Rachel. She;'s about as informed as Wolf Blitzer on Jeopardy. Maybe Wolf is actually better informed.
"They do things like helping low- income families file their taxes."
Actually, not anymore. The IRS, run by those nasty corporate bureaucrats at the US Department of Treasury has determined they can no longer do this. It seems there is this issue of credibility at ACORN. You know ACORN can claim "So with all those good deeds..." as Maddow put it, but if you can't be trusted at the IRS, who can you trust?
"They do things like helping low-income families find jobs."
Pardon me if I find this claim to be laughable. The reason the Left is so freaked out about the US government stopping funding of these illegal political activist groups is that none of them can get real jobs.
"They do things like registering people to vote."
Well, what they really do is advocate (Can you say lobby?, Ms. Maddow) for far Left Wing Democrat candidates using your Tax Dollars, which the FBI, in its infinite wisdom has just decided needs to be investigated.
Apparently, a little enforced law intended to protect the unruly taxpayer from these groups using their money for political advocacy might have been violated.
I'm pretty familiar with that law and it does not specifically mention Big Corporations, which are the bane of all corruption in government, right? Even if one is conservative; I don't think anyone who has served their country would advocate that people should not vote.
Even if they might be poor.
This long standing canard about Republicans disenfranchising the poor is tiresome and more than weak. Gee, what person doesn't want people to vote?
Could it be Democrats who don't want people to vote?
Possibly, check out the pervasive efforts by the Democrat Party to continually refuse active military absentee ballots to be counted, throughout the country. The MSM, in its zeal to expose such manipulative fraudulant efforts have written many stories and highlighted this in every election I can remember.
"Huh? What's that? Oh, never mind."
ACA
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Quoted from: 'Acaiguana notes from the Underground' (Soon to be at theaters near you)
I agree with Maddow about
September 26, 2009 - 08:15 ET by Radical1979I agree with Maddow about one thing, I'm not psyched about ACORN's voting drives. I don't think Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck should be allowed to vote, even though they hold the office of president and vice president right now.
Didn't you really mean
September 26, 2009 - 09:44 ET by TheHistorianDaffy Duck???
My bad.
September 26, 2009 - 11:36 ET by Radical1979My bad.
It's Pat!
September 26, 2009 - 08:18 ET by ACLUSUXEvery time I see that face.....I think....AM Radio.
I've heard conservatives
September 26, 2009 - 08:33 ET by RR GOPI've heard conservatives praising the ACLU for the good things they've done.
If you pull the toe nails out of your dog with pliers and feed parakeets to your cats, then what you do is contribute some bucks to the SPCA. Do some good amongst the mountain of bad so you can have someone somewhere say, "Say, this fella can't be all bad!".
Works like a charm in our society.
Especially if you're famous, athletic and have lots of money.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
The old, msm just keep
September 26, 2009 - 08:39 ET by nadadhimmiThe old, msm just keep getting more and more out of touch. They want people to think they are so sympathetic to the "poor", yet live in gated communities, ride in limo's and cheat on their taxes. People are catching on that Obama hates America and is actively trying to destroy the country. He wants to weaken and abolish the Dollar as the international currency and states in the UN that our Nation is not above any other Nations, presumably including Somalia, Sudan, Iran, N. Korea, Libya, et al. The msm support Obama and his Communist policies and advisers. Think Van Jones, Bill Ayers, Holdren, Susstein Jeff Jones etc. People don't believe a word they say anymore which is why their ratings are so bad.
Maddows motive
September 26, 2009 - 08:43 ET by nadadhimmiThen again, Maybe Maddow doesn't want Acorn shut down because she "wants to get her some of that sweet, 13 yr old Salvadoran stuff".
"But they do a lot of good
September 26, 2009 - 08:44 ET by Hermano"But they do a lot of good things..." OK, so it is OK to break numerous laws if you are doing some good?!? This is kind of like giving Bernie Madoff a pass because he gives a lot of money to charity. Geesh!
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History of ACORN
September 26, 2009 - 09:07 ET by slickwillie2001A reminder: from Day One, ACORN was intended to overwhelm the federal government with demands for welfare and other freebies, causing the financial collapse of the government and leading to a soft socialist revolution. (They almost did it with the financial meltdown.) It was not intended to do all of these feelgood things that the liberals claim. It is straight-down the line Cloward-Pivens. Matthew Vadum's excellent article on the history of ACORN:
ACORN Exposed: http://townhall.com
The bubble MSNBC works in
September 26, 2009 - 10:34 ET by Chris NormanThe bubble MSNBC works in just keeps getting smaller and smaller. Soon, Ms. Maddow will be defending some radical guilty of a heinous murder - who has confessed, been convicted, and seen on tape doing it. She is preaching not to anything as big as a choir, but only one or two people in it.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
D@mn them evil corporation!
September 26, 2009 - 10:40 ET by CobraMan"They create corporate-funded purportedly grassroots organizations to derail and destroy whomever they believe to be the source of that threat."
D@mn them evil corporations for forcing innocent ACORN employees to lie on secretly recorded videos!
What's that? Those evil corporations didn't force innocent people to lie on secret videos? Those employees voluntarily offered advice as to how to avoid taxes, buy housing in which to house illegally smuggled foreign minors for the purpose of prostitution, and even how to hide the profits from said prostitution? OK, well, never mind!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
These lies and distortions
September 26, 2009 - 12:51 ET by Chris NormanThese lies and distortions are bad enough coming from a ranting loon like Ed Schultz. The obnoxiousness is compounded somehow when it comes from a woMan who speaks as if she's taken several valium washed down with a tall glass of white wine before going on the air.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Maddow
September 26, 2009 - 13:07 ET by VengeanceIsMineAs usual the libs want you to judge ACORN by their intentions rather than the results. I am nonetheless amazed at her attempt to defend in the indefensible. For some reason is reminds of the thing about Islam that ANYTHING GOES as long as it futhers Islam. These liberals are morally bankrupt losers that have been unleashed since the election of Barry. Hopefully, we continue to see these creeps for what they are until they lose their power.
Gingrich/Palin 2012
"You cannot spend your way out of recession or borrow your way out of debt." Daniel Hannan
I'd support Netanyahu/Palin 2012.
September 26, 2009 - 17:10 ET by Tailgunner"Bibi's" more of an American, based on current events, than Obama ever will be.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
Maddow needs to watch these
September 26, 2009 - 13:09 ET by NL207Maddow needs to watch these ACORN videos about ten times. Maybe then she will comprehend that these statements about ACORN she is referring to are not lies.
I have also seen a quote over at Breitbart to the effect that the five videos that have been released are not the only ACORN videos they have. I wonder what Maddow will have to say about that?
Helping the poor
September 26, 2009 - 13:50 ET by cajun2If there are any true journalist left, why dont they look into organizations that do help the poor with no, no gov. funds. Try these, Goodwill, UnitedWay, Catholic Charities, just to start. There are hundreds of organizations I came in contact with over the years to help my clients. All existed on private donations. United way and Red Cross were two of the most helpful and successful groups working during the Katrina-Rita mess. The percentage of funds that go directly to the poor should be compared with Acorn. Then you can explain to me how an organization can own 50million dollars worth of prime real estate in NY and how that helps the poor.
Breitbart beat them at their game
September 26, 2009 - 17:15 ET by ghblogI love the way Breitbart fed the story a little each day and building on each release until the MSM could no longer ignore the facts as they usually do.
http://www.framingthedialogue.com/archives/true-american-heros-andrew-breitbart/
Truthianity
September 26, 2009 - 19:04 ET by sevenMadcow hasn't investigated a thing. she is just yapping
There is no entrapment. Not one got ACORN to perform a crime. They only gave out criminal advice.
Just having fun watching them scatter
September 26, 2009 - 20:20 ET by AmmoManHey Rachel, isn't that kind of like turning the light on in a room and watching the cockroaches scatter, then blaming it on the electric company because they enabled the person to turn the light on in the first place...
Sounds
September 27, 2009 - 09:20 ET by jessieHSounds to me like MSNBC might be involved with Acorn. Why else would they instruct Maddow to blame corporations?