MSNBC's Snyderman, WaPo's Connolly Declare It Their Duty to 'Raise' Bar on ObamaCare Debate

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Who says a little engineering mixed in with your journalism is a bad thing? At least one MSNBC host and Washington Post reporter said it's a journalist's job to focus on "real issues" in the hotly debated issue of health care reform.

This was the topic of discussion in a panel featuring John Rother, executive vice president of Policy and Strategy for AARP, Ceci Connolly of The Washington Post, Tim Phillips of Americans for Prosperity and host Dr. Nancy Snyderman during MSNBC's "Dr. Nancy" Aug. 10.

Rother argued there has been far too much hyperbole on the issue, which he insisted was meant to mislead the public.

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"I think really there are efforts to mislead the public," Rother said. "I think that we would have a much better and more useful debate if we focused on the real issues involved in health reform. And there are many real issues that deserve to be debated, but not ones about government takeover or euthanasia. Those are simply not true."

Snyderman asked Connolly if it was their duty journalists to raise the bar on the discussion and avoid the topics that would be relevant in a single-payer, socialized health care system.

"I'm gonna bring in Ceci for a second," Snyderman said. "Ceci, we've been talking a lot over the weekend about death panels and rationing and euthanasia. We have, you know as journalists, you and I, seems to me there's a bar that's pretty darn low right now, that is incumbent upon us to raise."

According to Connolly, that is how the Post is trying to cover the issue - by examining the "issues" that are more important in their view.

"Uh yes, and I hope that we are able to," Connolly said. "We're certainly trying here with our coverage. We wrote over the weekend at some length about what exactly are the proposals that would affect Medicare beneficiaries in this legislation so far and what you see are a mixture, but there are certainly some things that should be pretty attractive to senior citizens - some big discounts on their prescription drugs, for instance, some changes about waving any kind of co-payments on preventive services, a pay raise for primary care doctors, which should improve access to those doctors."

However the Aug. 7 Washington Post wasn't exactly raising the bar. In that edition, Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist Steven Pearlstein called "Republican leaders and their ideological fellow-travelers" that oppose government-mandated health care reform "political terrorists," not exactly keeping within Connolly's mantra of elevating the discussion.

Connolly explained to Snyderman that there were some places where the government could direct how health care resources would be allocated - as in general practitioners versus hospitals or specialists. But that sort of threat to the health care marketplace was a "question mark."

"Now, there are also some changes that could mean squeezing down on payments to hospitals and some specialists," Connolly said. "We can't predict exactly what that will mean. The people that wrote the legislation say there's enough fat in the system that we can squeeze that down a bit. That's more of a question mark, but sort of this death panel conversation really is sort of a sideshow I think from a very serious debate that we ought to be having right now."


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Color me relieved (can I say "color?")

Well thank goodness these "P-word" journalists are here to straighten this miss out!

Edit:

I have a followup question and what I think is the quickest way to fix the increasing costs of Health Care in this country. Has anyone seen the commericals for 1-800-BAD-DRUG? I'm pretty sure they're a large part of the problem...

You know, if I see or hear

You know, if I see or hear the words "Mislead" or "Misinformation" one more time from the left I am going to scream!

I read the rest of the BS from the post, I can just barely get through those words anymore without seeing red.

Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh

Attack the Questioner - Never Answer the Question

Mislead -- misinformation.  Those two words are rather generic responses of the progressive left to crticism. Attack the questioner, never answer the question.

as Cool Arrow used to say

When Liberals say they're going to raise the bar - expect the limbo. 

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"The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax"  - HR 3200 (Health Care Bill) Pg. 203. Ln 14 & 15

kata... I do. Excellent

kata...

I do.

Excellent way to put it too.

Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh

Eugenics is no side show

"We can't predict exactly what that will mean. The people that wrote
the legislation say there's enough fat in the system that we can
squeeze that down a bit. That's more of a question mark, but sort of
this death panel conversation really is sort of a sideshow I think from
a very serious debate that we ought to be having right now."

 LOL ... Isn't that the problem, the purposeful ambiguity, so they can do what they want?

Obamacare, cliffnotes version: Abort the unborn, kill the old, save money, give money to Democrat constituents. Rule for life.

its all a sideshow

nothing is to be discussed.  You will be fed your government approved information.  So sit down, shut up and pay your taxes you un-american racist political terrorist.

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"The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax"  - HR 3200 (Health Care Bill) Pg. 203. Ln 14 & 15

You forgot to include

astroturf Nazi.  Geez, what's wrong with you?  :)

lol

I'll try and remember that when I attempt to cram the entirety into my next tagline :D

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"The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax"  - HR 3200 (Health Care Bill) Pg. 203. Ln 14 & 15

From this channel, it's no surprise...

Duh.  This is BSNBC - a channel that is the vile den of Chris Matthews, who, on the very day of the Obama inauguration, threw aside honesty, objectivity and professionalism by declaring that it was now 'his job' to make Obama look good.  And you can bet every puppet reporter at this Democrat media pest hole got the same marching orders that Matthews has.

If ever there was a shred of honesty or integrity in this so-called 'news' network it died a long time ago.   It'll be a brighter day for America when this network dies and sends it's employees to the poorhouse.

I think Snyderman et al are absolutely right!

They (journalists) should focus more on the particulars of the bill.

But exactly who is it, (and at whose behest), that does one story after another on the dissenters?  Who focuses on  who the dissenters are,  speculation about who is "backing and organizing them" and kvetching about the fact that they go to town hall meetings and  don't sit down and shut up? Who is it that attacks them as the Brooks Brothers Brigade, people who are "too well dressed" to be legitimate, and basically belittling them instead of arguing that their concerns are misguided or mistaken.

The Obama administration, in spite of claiming that they want to educate people about this bill , don't seem too eager to talk about it either; instead they spend their time setting up websites to track, and Pelosi and Reid spend their time attacking opponents.

The only ones really talking about the bill itself, are its opponents!

MB!

Exactly right. Well done, MB, well done.

I Second that. Obama's a

I Second that.

Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh

Raising the Bar????

We're a little late to be thinking about that.  President Obama should have thought about that before he turned the bill over to Pelosi, Reid, Baucus and Waxmen to write the damn thing.  The reason this is an embarassing debacle is we allowed a bunch of greed, partisan legislators take control of the content and ram thru their partisan agendas.  Now, that the contents are being leaked and revealed in detail, the stench is suffocating the electorate.  And now the Washington Post wants to raise the bar.  Here's my thoughts.  STOP!!!!  Go back to the drawing board.  Recruit a commission of distinguish Americans to do three things:  a) Identify specifically the areas of our healthcare system that need to be fixed and why: b) Prioritize the needs so we're not trying to fix everything in one pass; and c) Appoint a bi-partisan Congressional panel, House and Senate, to draft an outline for the Presidents approval and submission to the House to begin drafting a bill - specifying that there's no room for amendments and earmarks.

Here's another suggestion,

Here's another suggestion, from The Anchoress:

    You know who could put a stop to the bad feelings arising in this country? President Obama, who is supposed to be the leadership. Just as Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton backed off when they realized America was not into having their Healthcare taken over by the government, Obama could say, “you know, I’m moving kind of fast here, maybe we’ll shelve this for a while and concentrate more on putting people back to work, which is urgent.”

Such a move would be an instant assist to the nation Obama is supposed to be passionate about protecting, preserving and above-all SERVING. It would also mean instant restoration of his fast-fading credibility. Think he’ll do it?

My answer:  NAH.  In spite of all his talk about  "coalitions" and "cooperation" he has handed this over to Her Speakerness and Dingy Harry, who have no desire to do anything but ram it through on their terms. 

He could really rise above here, but he won't.  He's too invested in this now.

Too invested and too

Too invested and too narcissistic.

He never loses.

Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh

Obama doesn't understand leadership

Once again, Obama thought that all he had to do was set a goal. Then he handed the details over to someone else.

The fact is, he doesn't have any ideas, except for the tired old liberal ones. He has charisma, he has style, and he has a certain amount of charm. But he isn't a leader. He doesn't know how to get out of this.

All he can do now is snarl at his opponents. Yawn.  

But the thing is no matter

But the thing is no matter how innocuous the first "reform' legislation is you know they will revisit the issue once they have weaseled in through the healthcare door.  The bill congress is writing now WILL NOT be the last word on the issue.  So no matter how much ground they may have to give up to get something passed, they will pass something, and those snakes will continue to sneak in legislation where ever they can.

Below find an article that

Below find an article that appeared in the New York Post on 24 July 2009. It was written by ex New York Lt. Governor and Ph.D Betsy McCaughey, an expert on healthcare. It is one of the best pieces that I have read on the subject. It will, it did me, chill you to the bone.

I urge all that read this article to pickup your telephone, write a letter or e-mail your representatives and tell them you do not want Obamacare. Here is the article:

DEADLY DOCTORS
O ADVISORS WANT TO RATION CARE
By BETSY MCCAUGHEY

July 24, 2009 --
THE health bills coming out of Congress would put the decisions about your care in the hands of presidential appointees. They'd decide what plans cover, how much leeway your doctor will have and what seniors get under Medicare.

Yet at least two of President Obama's top health advisers should never be trusted with that power.

Start with Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. He has already been appointed to two key positions: health-policy adviser at the Office of Management and Budget and a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research.

Emanuel bluntly admits that the cuts will not be pain-free. "Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality are merely 'lipstick' cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change," he wrote last year (Health Affairs Feb. 27, 2008).

Savings, he writes, will require changing how doctors think about their patients: Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously, "as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others" (Journal of the American Medical Association, June 18, 2008).

Yes, that's what patients want their doctors to do. But Emanuel wants doctors to look beyond the needs of their patients and consider social justice, such as whether the money could be better spent on somebody else.

Many doctors are horrified by this notion; they'll tell you that a doctor's job is to achieve social justice one patient at a time.

Emanuel, however, believes that "communitarianism" should guide decisions on who gets care. He says medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled, not given to those "who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens . . . An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia" (Hastings Center Report, Nov.-Dec. '96).

Translation: Don't give much care to a grandmother with Parkinson's or a child with cerebral palsy.

He explicitly defends discrimination against older patients: "Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years" (Lancet, Jan. 31).

The bills being rushed through Congress will be paid for largely by a $500 billion-plus cut in Medicare over 10 years. Knowing how unpopular the cuts will be, the president's budget director, Peter Orszag, urged Congress this week to delegate its own authority over Medicare to a new, presidentially-appointed bureaucracy that wouldn't be accountable to the public.

Since Medicare was founded in 1965, seniors' lives have been transformed by new medical treatments such as angioplasty, bypass surgery and hip and knee replacements. These innovations allow the elderly to lead active lives. But Emanuel criticizes Americans for being too "enamored with technology" and is determined to reduce access to it.

Dr. David Blumenthal, another key Obama adviser, agrees. He recommends slowing medical innovation to control health spending.

Blumenthal has long advocated government health-spending controls, though he concedes they're "associated with longer waits" and "reduced availability of new and expensive treatments and devices" (New England Journal of Medicine, March 8, 2001). But he calls it "debatable" whether the timely care Americans get is worth the cost. (Ask a cancer patient, and you'll get a different answer. Delay lowers your chances of survival.)

Obama appointed Blumenthal as national coordinator of health-information technology, a job that involves making sure doctors obey electronically delivered guidelines about what care the government deems appropriate and cost effective.

In the April 9 New England Journal of Medicine, Blumenthal predicted that many doctors would resist "embedded clinical decision support" -- a euphemism for computers telling doctors what to do.

Americans need to know what the president's health advisers have in mind for them. Emanuel sees even basic amenities as luxuries and says Americans expect too much: "Hospital rooms in the United States offer more privacy . . . physicians' offices are typically more conveniently located and have parking nearby and more attractive waiting rooms" (JAMA, June 18, 2008).

No one has leveled with the public about these dangerous views. Nor have most people heard about the arm-twisting, Chicago-style tactics being used to force support. In a Nov. 16, 2008, Health Care Watch column, Emanuel explained how business should be done: "Every favor to a constituency should be linked to support for the health-care reform agenda. If the automakers want a bailout, then they and their suppliers have to agree to support and lobby for the administration's health-reform effort."

Do we want a "reform" that empowers people like this to decide for us?

Betsy McCaughey is founder of the Committee to Reduce Infection Deaths and a former New York lieutenant governor. For more information on the status health care legislation, visit www.defendyourhealth....

The Truth Is Going To Hurt - A lot

Yes, yes, by all means...focus on the issues. That will deepen the black and blue color of the bruises on your already kicked asses. That's your problem, Lefties. The truth is coming out, and some of you didn't know it and blindly believed the left wing talking points. Some of you were lying and didn't give a damn, plotting to turn America into a socialist state.

It's worth noting that Palin's comment on "death panels" has

thrown a complete monkey wrench into the narrative of the ObamaCare sales effort by bringing up an issue that has caught the attention of many people.  Hard to find anything more emotionally impacting than end of life and denial of service.  That carries a lot more weight than bending the cost curve over time.

A great deal of effort is now being expended by the ObamaCare sales force in the media insisting that the issue should not even be raised, and attempting to dismiss it.  Nothing stokes the fire faster than someone attempting to dismiss your concerns.

One can agree or disagree with what Palin said.  But as your article describes, she has changed the whole tenor of the debate and thrown the sales staff off stride.  Which is exactly what was needed.  I know enough about ObamaCare that I don't want a polite discussion after which it is enacted into law.  I want a stop.  

Palin's contribution in derailing this is being underestimated.  It was a very skillful play on her part. 

 

Trying to shift the argument again. This is pure DNC strategy.

They are trying to shift the argument from "whether or not the Government should, or is allowed by the Constitution to do this" to "what specifics should be included and what excluded from the plan".

Many republicans and conservatives have already been tricked and redirected away from arguing against the concept to arguing specific services and logistics.

The MSM is getting so worried about the resistance being manifested at the town-hall meetings that they are again resorting to direct involvement and opinion swaying just like they did during the election. They are becoming more and more blatant in their activism for the Obama administration.

Throw 'da bums out!

no incumbent re-elected, with very few exceptions!

www.loyaltoliberty.com

Raise the bar = shut off

Raise the bar = shut off debate.

If these lying scum basta**s really wanted debate, they'd be the ones at the townhall meetings demanding answers from the politicians.

          I wonder

          I wonder if Rother knows how many people have torn up their AARP cards & demanded their money back? I know of at least six, and I live in a really small town.                            Congress hasn't earned any respect.