It's the en vogue thing to do - to make fun of Glenn Beck now that his star has risen after switching from CNN Headline News to the Fox News Channel.
After Beck was featured in a front-page March 30 New York Times article, the gang at MSNBC's "Morning Joe" on March 31 got in on the act - then no other than Comedy Central's Stephen Colbert chimed in on his nightly program, "The Colbert Report."
"Nation, I've been so inspired by Glenn Beck's call to action that I'm launching my own democratic experiment - the 1031 project," Colbert said. "It's organized around 10 principles, 31 flavors, four seasons, ten lords a leapin' and 525,600 minutes."
Colbert continued his charade by imitating the Fox News host's sometimes emotional crying outburst he does on his shows.
"I'm sorry I just love my country, and I love the musical ‘Rent,'" Colbert continued. "I'm so glad I have this diaper on right now. I call it the ‘1031 Project' because on October 31, I want everyone in this country who is sick of people ordering them around and false leaders telling them what to do to do exactly what I tell you to do."
The shtick included Colbert telling people to participate in Halloween festivities on October 31 - hence the name "1031."
"Go from house to house on your block," Colbert said. "Ring doorbells and demand that your neighbors make a tangible commitment to America, preferably in the form of a sugary treat. We're going to need a lot of quick energy to change this country, folks. Now, I have no doubt that ‘them' will be watching. So disguise yourself say as Wolverine as a spritely hobo or as a sexy nurse."
Normally Colbert's antics are just that - antics. However, many of the left-wing storefronts on the Internet are hyping Colbert's ‘1031 Project' as some sort of counter-cultural movement to Beck's ‘912 Project' - a seemingly harmless effort that Beck told listeners on his March 30 radio show he was paying for it out of his own pocket.
Beck's 912 Project has become a phenomenon, a direct result of his highly rated two-and-a-half month old Fox News show. According to the 912 Project's Web site, it is an effort to recreate the sentiment of the American people that followed the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.
"'The 9-12 Project' is designed to bring us all back to the place we were on September 12, 2001," the Web site said. "The day after America was attacked we were not obsessed with Red States, Blue States or political parties. We were united as Americans, standing together to protect the greatest nation ever created."



















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Same old Liberal playbook
April 1, 2009 - 14:35 ET by northoneThe MSM has its marching orders....there is a set protocol whenever someone of a conservative leaning becomes popular and successful:
Smear...Ridicule....Destroy!!
Why is anyone surprised here?
Not surprised at all northone
April 1, 2009 - 14:43 ET by HeavyChevyhuge "Ho-Hum" factor. They really need new material.
...and in this case, a
April 1, 2009 - 14:45 ET by balboa...and in this case, a pretty easy target.
CCN - Comedy Central News
April 1, 2009 - 14:39 ET by aakaakaakLast time I checked Colbert was a comedian. If you could maybe put down the MSM rhetoric for a couple of minutes you might notice that the word "comedy" and "news" don't really seem to go together.
Anyway, this is no worse than any late night talk show host making a joke about a politically charged issue. Beck is just the one in the spotlight right now.
Aakaakaak, your sign-in
April 1, 2009 - 15:00 ET by EugeniaAakaakaak, your sign-in name is hilarious!!
Aside: Colbert's funny. He just is. It's only too bad he and
the rest of the liberal bunch aren't spending as much time making fun of B.O.zo but instead are all choosing to mock Fox for the next four years.
Aakaakaak, your sign-in name is hilarious!!
April 1, 2009 - 15:27 ET by Prester JohnRemember, in the immortal words of President Jack Nicholson after the Martians destroyed Congress,
"I Want the People to Know That They Still Have Two out of Three Branches of the Government Working for Them, and That Ain't Bad."
If only.
Thanks.
April 2, 2009 - 08:35 ET by aakaakaakThanks guys. Good to see people still get the Mars Attacks! reference. Somehow it seems fitting to government....
Sad but true, people look at they dynamic duo of comedy central for real news. Some people am dumb. Not everyone is blessed with working brain cells.
Fox News is right leaning. Most of the others are right leaning. If you want to get your news and make up your own friggin' mind what it means go to http://www.news.com..... If it's more than two small paragraphs it's strictly editorial. Short, concise and to the point.
aakaakaak
April 1, 2009 - 15:02 ET by sherylsimsThe "comedy" and "news" format is what Colbert is all about. For some reason he seems to make them go together. It has nothing to do with MSM rhetoric (whatever that is) It has to do with the fact that more people get their "news" from The Daily Show than any other news outlet. Probably also why we have Obama for a president.
I agree. Colbert gets a
April 1, 2009 - 15:04 ET by SpaceManSpiffI agree. Colbert gets a pass. Besides, you'd be surprised at how much he mocks the ignorant masses/his own viewers. I don't feel that this bit is any different. He's telling them to go trick-or-treating and seeing how many morons take the bait. It's quite amusing, really.
BTW, I like Beck, but find his principals/rules thing to be a bit childish, though I understand he's trying to dumb it down and have an impact on the 54%.
Except
April 1, 2009 - 15:28 ET by deerjerkydaveYou may recall during the Presidential campaign when NBC NEWS ran SNL footage over and over and over bashing Sarah Palin. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Agreed. It's time to leave
April 1, 2009 - 15:31 ET by HotGermTutuAgreed. It's time to leave the comedy shows alone and stick to the real enemy - MSNBC, CNN, and every other NEWS source that isn't right leaning.
HGT... Heck I would love a
April 1, 2009 - 15:45 ET by bigtimerHGT...
Heck I would love a right leaning nework, all I want is some fairness and balance from all the main networks, as they are supposed to be.
Not gonna' happen though.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Oh come on. Fox is as
April 1, 2009 - 15:52 ET by HotGermTutuOh come on. Fox is as right leaning as MSNBC is left. They both have their shouters and their extremists and their pathetic attempts at representing the other side (Pat Buchanan anyone?). CNN just sucks. That's why it's important to use multiple news outlets and make up your own mind as to what you believe. If I believed everything I read on this site I would live in a very sad world.
HTG... Oh come on
April 1, 2009 - 16:12 ET by bigtimerHTG...
Oh come on yourself...
A real right wing network is something like NET that Paul Weyrich started over 15 or more years ago now was and he stated as such...and I loved it...Fox lets one know when they have a show in the evenings that sway one way or the other, along with their guests, which they have some from BOTH sides on...CNN, msnbc does NOT!...for that matter as far as I am concerned neither does the Big 3.
I don't know how old you are...but this is as plain as day.
When you have the likes of Olbie and Matthews as Anchors of some sort during important events...it is a JOKE!
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Age has nothing to do with
April 1, 2009 - 16:29 ET by HotGermTutuAge has nothing to do with it. Just the ability to reason for oneself and not fall in lockstep with only one set of beliefs that can possibly be right. I know everyone on this site thinks the MSM is left leaning and that Fox is the only "fair" news station. Outside of this site the rest of the country thinks differently. I respect your opinion, but there's nothing plain as day about it. And before you attack, remember that I'm here to get news and opinion that I don't get from more mainstream outlets.
Be careful
April 1, 2009 - 16:56 ET by Kelly72I don't think that the actual viewing/listening ratings of the various media outlets support your statement that "outside of this site the rest of the country thinks differently".
HGT.... Attack? Surely
April 1, 2009 - 17:01 ET by bigtimerHGT....
Attack?
Surely you jest...
I was and am responding to your posts.
You would know it if I was in the attack mode.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Just trying to state my case
April 1, 2009 - 17:44 ET by HotGermTutuJust trying to state my case in hopes of avoiding an attack for my thoughts. Thanks for your respect.
HotGermTutu
April 1, 2009 - 17:13 ET by MrShyFirst off, BT said, compared to the laughable MSNBC and CNN (almost as laughable), FOX comes the closest to fair... or, I'm sure that's what she meant. And believe me and many that really know and are NOT in lockstep, it's indeed plain as day.
If you put FOX up against MSNBC, especially, it's very much a joke, when looking at how both networks approach some form of down-the-middle -- or better, how one TRIES, while the other one blatantly does not.
MSNBC big-3 line-up:
Matthews -- has many, many Dems and pretty rarely throws in the token Conservative, and his opinion stuff and blabber/tone is always pro-liberal/Dem. He lets his Dem/lib guests speak and almost always talks over moderates or conservatives.
Olbermann -- an absolute JOKE of a far-left/radical-mindset propaganda show. He's essentially a total nutjob, and he's slotted in their PRIMETIME 8:00 slot, to boot. His guests are 100% in lockstep with his ideology, and it's a bash-any/all-things-GOP fest for 60 minutes straight.
Maddow -- after Olbermann, anyone/thing seems moderate by comparison, but she doesn't seem that far removed from him, and comes from Air America radio. Like Olbermann, her show is a cutesy/sarcasm-laden mock-GOP, kiss-up-to-DNC show who also seems to just have likeminded lib guests.
FOX:
7:00 slot is really a more pure-news program, I believe.
O'Reilly -- the guy invites... even BEGS... to have counter opinion/left/liberals on all the time, to debate/discuss, and regularly DOES have them on.
Hannity -- like above, not afraid to have both sides come on. Did Hannity & Colmes (both sides) show for years.
Greta -- is not even really a Republican/conservative, and doesn't concentrate all that much on politics in her show.
I'd do a CNN comparison, maybe next time... but again, more clear-as-day about where Blitzer, AC360, King, etc., lean... and while they pretend to be down the middle (which the Fox talking heads DON'T) they kiss-up to Obama/Dems and kiss-down to the GOP so much, I'm done laughing.
So, yeah, clear as day. Really.
You're obviously making
April 1, 2009 - 17:57 ET by HotGermTutuYou're obviously making your argument as a right wing conservative. This is why you believe Fox to be fair, and all others to be biased. It fits your belief system.
Chris Matthews - doesn't let anyone speak. No one. I watch his show a few times a week, and in just about every debate he has someone to represent both sides. It's true, believe it or not. I personally don't care.
Olbermann is an angry left winger with big mouth. Fact. Nothing to debate.
Maddow is a happy left winger with lots of tongue in cheek comments. I almost compare her to the Stewart/Colbert types, only she has the responibility of being on an actual news network. I believe she is there to get all the pissed off Olbermann viewers to settle back down to reality. She also tends to have more liberal guests, because frankly, the entire right hates her. Am I wrong?
Bill O'Reilly - as angry as Olbermann. Don't make things up. Their shows are identical.
Hannity & Colmes was something to be debated, but Hannity alone is an evil, hateful person. Doesn't come across as angry, but his hate speech is questionable. He won't be happy until everyone on the planet follows his set of ethics and his personal choice of religion.
Who is Fox's comparison to good ol' Mornin' Joe, a conservative in sheep's clothing? I'm not aware. Maybe that was Colmes.
So yeah, clear as day. Really, really clear as day.
not fair
April 1, 2009 - 18:02 ET by katainkent"closest to fair"
I personally find no satisfaction watching any of these shows except perhaps, Neil Cavuto.
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Obama does not perform as advertised. I'd like a refund.
Taxed Enough Already.
Speaking of Cavuto...did
April 1, 2009 - 18:08 ET by bigtimerSpeaking of Cavuto...did you catch him tearing into congressman Grayson (D) this afternoon over the Pay for Performance Bill or some-such title?
Priceless...and every word he said was the truth.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
not so regrettably
April 1, 2009 - 18:10 ET by katainkentwe chose to drop cable tv last month. I will see if I can catch it on the fox vids.
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Obama does not perform as advertised. I'd like a refund.
Taxed Enough Already.
kata... Do you know about
April 1, 2009 - 18:15 ET by bigtimerkata...
Do you know about the new site Fox has called the Fox Nation?
I bet you it will be posted there...I'll look later as I don't think it could be there yet, but that site is a keeper...poster 'general company' put the link here yesteday...I immediately saved it...already went there first thing there this morning, afraid to start posting there too...I already have too many irons in the fire that way...lol.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
I did see that
April 1, 2009 - 20:46 ET by katainkentI have it bookmarked. I see that its much easier to read - I hope the videos are more sensibly arranged.
HotGermTutu
April 1, 2009 - 18:20 ET by MrShyI take it you're a left wing liberal then. No, I don't take it. You are. So, if we can both agree to being both of those things, then I guess I'm fine with your label of me.
Why are you this? Well, this one funny duddy really jumped out at me:
Olbermann? -- "an angry left winger with a big mouth."
Hannity? -- "an evil, hateful person."
It's what left wing liberals like yourself do all the time. You soften the blow BIG TIME on seriously f'ed-up people in your camp, like Olbie, that rotten skunk Blago and that disgusting, truly hate-filled "reverend" Wright, etc., by tagging them with the more mild "big mouth", or "wacky reverend" or "crazy Senator", and sidestep the words that really apply, like "hateful", "evil", etc..
Anyway, then you admit to two prime-time shows.... 8:00 - 10:00 PM, every week night, devoting themselves solely to just left-wing/liberal guests and narratives, vs. the two shows on Fox that BOTH have liberals on with some arguing and debating.
Not sure where you're not seeing my argument that it's indeed clear as day that Fox is.... and please, HGT, don't fudge my words.... the *CLOSEST* to being fair.... not fair. Never said that.
Oh, and another nugget:
"she has the responibility of being on an actual news network."
MSNBC? Ha.
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Well you've certainly
April 1, 2009 - 19:08 ET by HotGermTutuWell you've certainly perfected your ability to make false assumptions. First let me say that I live on the west coast where Keith and Rachel are on at 5 and 6 pm, not considered prime time television. They certainly don't make up my evening. Now, given that you are leaning right and I am leaning left, do you think it's slightly possible that you are as biased against the left as I may be towards the right?
Now that you've generalized me, I'd like to prove you wrong. So how's this: Blago is a f*cking idiot. There is no defense for someone like him. I am thrilled he will never serve in public office again, and I resent having to see him on the news as much as octo-mom.
Reverend Wright can s*ck it too. I do not excuse his kind of hate speech in any way, and especially the fact that he can't see that what he has said is offensive and damaging.
For those who don't watch Fox, it is known as a joke for being biased. Sorry to break it to you. The only difference is that righties watch Fox because it caters to them, while lefties have a couple other options who cater to them. It doesn't make ANY of them FAIR and/or BALANCED.
And yes, actual news network as opposed to Comedy Central. You may not like the news they report, but they are a news station.
Bias
April 1, 2009 - 19:32 ET by Kelly72Those who try to make a "joke" of Fox being biased are often actually more than a little bit threated by it. They don't like a news outlet that makes genuine effort to bring up all the facts... including the ones that most others try to hide...
In addition, many who joke about Fox being biased are those who have received information through a liberal media prism for so long that they don't recognize genuine attempts at unbiased reporting.
You have to remember that, more and more so for the last few decades, the vast majority of the media in all forms has become ultra liberal. Many people have been conditioned into thinking this is normal. Thus, a more genuine form of news reporting, which actually allows all the points that the liberal media outlets do not allow... actually seems biased to such people because it's different from what they know (or think they know).
Too bad. But it's changing. People are catching on...
Hi Kelly... Your post is
April 1, 2009 - 19:47 ET by bigtimerHi Kelly...
Your post is exactly right...you make great points here in my eyes.
I've enjoyed your other posts here too...just haven't got there to tell you that yet. ;-)
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Well...
April 1, 2009 - 20:01 ET by Kelly72Thanks!
I enjoy your posts as well. I suppose I should let you know that, rather than just mentally applaud...
Also, your tag line always gives me a chuckle.
The most over-used cliche on
April 1, 2009 - 19:59 ET by balboaThe most over-used cliche on this site is:
"Liberals only make fun of [insert conservative] because they're (jealous/scared/threatened)."
Point?
April 1, 2009 - 20:02 ET by Kelly72That doesn't mean it's not true in many cases...
My point is that it's not
April 1, 2009 - 20:08 ET by balboaMy point is that it's not always the case, but it's the de facto explanation any time a Republican is made fun of.
Okay
April 1, 2009 - 20:20 ET by Kelly72I think it might be overstating it to say that it's the "de facto" explanation. But, taking your point, by the same token you can't dismiss it as an explanation in any particular case simply on the grounds that it's brought up a lot. That's all.
Nuts...if you're gonna use
April 1, 2009 - 20:34 ET by balboaNuts...if you're gonna use sound logic, this just isn't going to work out the way I'd like it to. :-)
:-)
April 1, 2009 - 20:45 ET by Kelly72Heh. :-)
Kelly
April 1, 2009 - 20:47 ET by MrShy:)
In the end, we really do slay and befuddle them every time.
But we'll remain humble. :)
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Typical republican
April 1, 2009 - 20:54 ET by HotGermTutuTypical republican response: "We won again"
Any argument on this site with a liberal you can admit to losing? Because guess what - you haven't won 'em all, and you sure didn't win this one.
As for Kelly, you hardly know what threatens me. It certainly ain't Fox news, and it certainly this site. If I was so terrified, why would I be here?
HGT
April 1, 2009 - 20:59 ET by MrShyOh calm down, both sides act like this. It's called typical us-vs-them. And YES, that's what it is. Our side of the aisle vs. yours. I hate when people say it's not. It IS. But it's just politics, I also add, which is key.
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double post
April 1, 2009 - 21:04 ET by MrShysorry.
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Take it easy
April 1, 2009 - 21:04 ET by Kelly72One person's response. Calling it "typical" is absurd. In addition, it was obviously meant to be humorous. Calm down.
Don't try to avoid the issue by making it personal. It's not personal. Those who have a stake in liberal media are certainly "threatened" by any media outlet that attempts to report all the facts... including the ones that they will not report.
Kelly
April 1, 2009 - 21:12 ET by MrShy"Don't try to avoid the issue by making it personal. It's not personal."
Aaah, nevermind. You know my take on that and where you'll usually find this tendency.
Who writes me personal, lengthy, vitriolic emails? Who calls me "scum" and wishes for the end of my life? What people keep impulsively deleting me as their facebook friend? Who keeps indirectly calling me a racist when I express my dislike for Obama? Who keeps trying to define me, as a person, when all I want to do is talk politics?
Who ARE these people, acting like this all the time in my life?
Hmmmm.....
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Ah
April 1, 2009 - 21:15 ET by Kelly72I can't think of anything to add to that... but good point.
YOU don't; I was talkin' to
April 1, 2009 - 22:14 ET by balboaYOU don't; I was talkin' to Kelly. :-)
*grins*
April 1, 2009 - 22:27 ET by Kelly72*grins*
balbao
April 2, 2009 - 02:08 ET by well99They do it because they are shills.Mean spirited yutts that use their shows to push their political agenda.They are probably double dipping from the DNC.If not they should be considering all the work they do for them.
good eye Mr Shy
April 1, 2009 - 19:24 ET by general companyFor those who don't watch Fox, it is known as a joke for being biased.
Your own phrase suggest you wouldnt know,
Well unless you are just listening to other liberals, is that it?
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
HotGermTutu
April 1, 2009 - 20:08 ET by MrShyI was prepared to respond to several red-light specials in your post (for starters, your pouting that I generalized you, from Mr. Generalizer -- "You're obviously making your argument as a right wing conservative." were your first words to me.) I thought you'd figure it out that I was just returning the favor.
But really, I suggest you read and reread what Kelly wrote below, especially the last sentence.
I live in NYC. This city's population -- not proper, but the core of it, Manhattan really, and all the hip parts of the outer boroughs -- is probably roughly 95% liberal, literally. It's got to be about that, because I live here and I basically have to keep my mouth shut and hear and see liberal/Dem nonsense all around me, daily.
The headquarters for CNN (plus Atlanta, also a big lib town), MSNBC **AND** FOX are smack dab here. I will bet you a dollar to a donut that 98-99% -- if not 100% -- of the total number of employees at CNN and MSNBC are registered and died-in-the-wool Dems. I also can't imagine FOX, conversely, is anywhere near 98-99% crawling with true-blue Republicans. It would be impossible, virtually. I'D HAVE TO BE WORKING THERE, to get enough Repubs/conservatives employed at their studios. :p
Anyway, this fact alone stacks our national mainstream TV news media way against a viewer looking for an even balance of reporting and opinion on their channels.
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#1 Just because a person
April 1, 2009 - 21:02 ET by HotGermTutu#1 Just because a person isn't a conservative doesn't make them an evil liberal. There's a huge middle ground that apparently you're not aware exists.
#2 The only fact you stated is that MSNBC, CNN, and Fox are headquartered in NYC. The rest are made up statistics.
HGT
April 1, 2009 - 21:06 ET by MrShyTrue, to #2. But still... I think I'm not that far off. What would your guestimate on those stats be? (which is all it was.) Now I'm curious. :p
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Would political
April 1, 2009 - 21:17 ET by general companyContributions do? A few folks around here should pay close attention to Fox, maybe their Dem contibutions are bribes? Shocked!
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
GenCo
April 1, 2009 - 23:16 ET by MrShyWow, that's an amazing stat/chart.... Liberals just cover their eyes and ears and go "la-la-laaaa"....
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#1 Just because a
April 1, 2009 - 21:07 ET by general company#1 Just because a person isn't a conservative doesn't make them
an evil liberal. There's a huge middle ground that apparently
you're not aware exists.
No it doesnt make them evil, were is the middle ground again?
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Chris Mathews worked for Jimmy Carter
April 1, 2009 - 18:33 ET by PopularTechRachael Maddow is a lesbian who worked for Air America
That is as left wing as they come.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
What on earth does being a
April 1, 2009 - 19:12 ET by HotGermTutuWhat on earth does being a lesbian have to do with anything?
Only liberals are lesbians,,
April 1, 2009 - 19:28 ET by balboaOnly liberals are lesbians,, doncha know. Conservatives are dutiful wives. :-)
*hot* dutiful wives
April 1, 2009 - 20:42 ET by katainkentjust sayin ;)
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Taxed Enough Already.
Homosexuals by far are Democrats
April 1, 2009 - 20:03 ET by PopularTechSure their are some gay Republicans but it is in the very small minority.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
No, there are just more
April 1, 2009 - 20:49 ET by HotGermTutuNo, there are just more republicans in the closet. That, or there's a greater number of republicans who go to "gay" rehab.
(disclaimer: I am not calling anyone here gay)
70% of Homosexuals voted for Obama
April 1, 2009 - 23:10 ET by PopularTech70% of Homosexuals voted for Obama
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You could mention that only
April 1, 2009 - 23:32 ET by mandrakeYou could mention that only only 4% of those polled responsed yes to that question!
of course there are more
April 2, 2009 - 08:29 ET by seaniepof course there are more closeted republicans, it pretty much goes against "republican" standards to be openly gay - that is like saying that there are more closet gator fans at FSU than at UF - its cool to be openly gay and democrat
that one is a no brainer, its a cliche in the worst form because it means absolutely nothing
HGT
April 2, 2009 - 08:51 ET by thebutlerdiditFox News:
O'Reilly-Independent
Cavuto-Independent
Hemmer-Independent
Rivera-Democrat
Wallace-Democrat
Colmes-Democrat
Shep. Smith-Democrat
Glenn Beck-Libertarian
This is only a partial list. Mornin' Joe? You have got to be kidding me. As for this site, try others, that aren't "right wingers," but rather more centrist. They will inform you of the same. It was also true when the studies came out and found that Fox had the most fair coverage of ANY news source, compiled from 1,000s of hours of coverage throughout months of the election. You are working on feelings, not facts.If you don't like it, don't watch, but you are displaying rhetoric.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
Hey MrS... Howdy,
April 1, 2009 - 18:11 ET by bigtimerHey MrS...
Howdy, howdy...long time no see.
...and yes that is what I meant.
Great post you added here to-boot.
Btw...love your new vid...what a lot of work you did...just wanted you to know, just got to it yesterday...will comment later on yt.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
BT !!!!
April 1, 2009 - 18:28 ET by MrShyHey, thank you!! :) It was indeed a lot of work, but fun work. I love old movies, too, the classics, so we took a stab at film-noir, sorta :p
I'll put the direct-to-youtube link here, but any time you get to it is fine:
http://www.youtube.c...
I appreciate your support, really!!
And I see we have newbies here, like GermSomething-or-other. And we love to have non-"right wingers" on this site to keep us honest, and for us to debate with tooth and nail. We believe we can slowly, with a lot more logic and facts on our side, pull them out of the muck. Like Shawn and some others.
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MrS... Glad you put the
April 1, 2009 - 18:32 ET by bigtimerMrS...
Glad you put the link here...saves me some time and you got my hint to be helpful toward my fellow friend. ;-)
As to your last paragraph...that can be debatable at times....hehehee...
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Hey real quick to
April 1, 2009 - 18:36 ET by bigtimerHey real quick to others...check out MrShy's link...he performs magnificently here...great music...he wrote the words too..check out his other work/songs too if you haven't before.
I think I have that right MrS...if not...correct me...and fast.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
BT :):):)
April 1, 2009 - 18:48 ET by MrShyNo, I'd say you said it just right.
Thank you AGAIN!!
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MrS... The black and
April 1, 2009 - 18:54 ET by bigtimerMrS...
The black and white touch was the best...Ialso loved how that ended...
...To be continued....
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Hey real quick to
April 2, 2009 - 16:49 ET by JerHey real quick to others...check out MrShy's link...he performs magnificently here...great music...he wrote the words too..check out his other work/songs too if you haven't before.
I think I have that right MrS...if not...correct me...
No worry, bt...your words are nearly identical to the "suggested" comments Shy emailed me--except my copy added that "MrShy is a quite attractive man who maintains a very tidy home."
Jer
~Huh
April 2, 2009 - 16:54 ET by choselife3xMine also said "He's a dashing figure who wreaks havoc with hearts of the fairer sex."
That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel.
FOX
April 2, 2009 - 10:36 ET by XJ.JonYall know the rules:
Any network that is not left-leaning, or even only moderately so, is considered right-wing propaganda, or "Right-Leaning".
Taxed Enough Already
Re Fox
April 1, 2009 - 17:21 ET by slickwillie2001Wrong. Perhaps Fox News is as right-leaning as CNN is left-leaning, but there is no comparison to the spot where MSNBC is. They are on the extreme left in some kind of weird media experiment which we all hope fails. I don't want a TV network that is to the right as MSNBC is to the left.
In fact I have some sympathy for those at NBC news that end up with their reputations sullied through association with MSNBC simply through an organization chart.
I agree
April 1, 2009 - 17:34 ET by Kelly72I agree about MSNBC. Who needs another one of those in any form...
However, looking at it quite objectively, I do not think that Fox News is as right-leaning as CNN is left leaning. At Fox News, they do have conservative commentators (as would be expected, since they are one of the few media outlets to actually allow them any significant air time); but as far as news goes... they do make the effort to give the facts in a fair manner. CNN does not. They operate under the pretense that they do... but less and less successfully.
I will cocede that both CNN
April 1, 2009 - 17:58 ET by JerI will cocede that both CNN to a lesser extent and MSNBC to a greater extent have regrettably shifted more to the left, but name me one politically-oriented show on Fox which is hosted by a liberal, in contrast with the three-hour conservative-hosted Joe Scarborough program every week day on MSNBC?
Jer
Thanks for the support Jer.
April 1, 2009 - 18:06 ET by HotGermTutuThanks for the support Jer.
Good grief
April 1, 2009 - 18:07 ET by general companyComparing raving liberals to Centrist, yea thats just like a liberal's idea of unfair.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Centrist?
April 1, 2009 - 18:14 ET by JerWhom are you referring to as Centrist, g c?
Jer
Fox
April 1, 2009 - 18:27 ET by general company-Sean
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Huh? Fox is centrist, or
April 1, 2009 - 19:48 ET by JerHuh?
Fox is centrist, or Sean Hannity is centrist, or both are centrist.
Whatever...nonsense.
Jer
gc and others! Speaking of
April 1, 2009 - 20:04 ET by bigtimergc and others!
Speaking of Sean....
Did anybody see the Colmes intro into Sean's show just now?
Absolutely HILARIOUS!!!!!
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Messiah
April 2, 2009 - 08:23 ET by aakaakaakIf Sean Vanity is centrist then George Soros is Jesus. SRYSLY.
We could just debate global
April 1, 2009 - 18:19 ET by HotGermTutuWe could just debate global warming. But then again, what's to debate?
Jer
April 1, 2009 - 18:46 ET by MrShyYes, but offset with his co-host Mika. Granted, F&F is all right-leaning heads, but we're arguing more here about the guts of the programming.... evening/primetime slots. And when you put Fox up against MSNBC, the latter is a disgrace by comparison. Disgrace. I'm not going to mince words, as I shouldn't.
CNN during this period is, well, CNN. They're just phony bologna's over there. They reek of this smug "we're pure journalism" when the whole network is swarming with liberals, both behind the cameras and in front of them. If they'd be more honest, I'd have more respect.
More than Fox being the closest to fair... I find them being, EASILY, the closest to real.
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MrS... One word...
April 1, 2009 - 20:07 ET by bigtimerMrS...
One word...
Correct.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Shy... One quick point:
April 1, 2009 - 20:49 ET by JerShy... One quick point: Scarborough is not "offset" by Mica. It is his show, and Mica's political input doesn't equal one-tenth of Scarborough's.
Jer
Jer
April 1, 2009 - 22:00 ET by MrShyShe sits right next to him for the full three hours, throws in her two cents on just about everything, and sometimes takes the lead on some items. She's his right hand gal, and more than just a "whoo-haa" Ed McMahon to his Johnny.
That's less than 1/10th?
Hmm...
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Oh please, Shy... That's
April 1, 2009 - 22:40 ET by JerOh please, Shy...
That's like saying because Michael Kinsley was a regular on Firing Line and occasionally said a few words and introduced some guests that he was a liberal "offset" to Buckley and that alone made the show ideologically balanced.
Look, I conceded MSNBC has drifted farther left with the addition of Maddow and Shuster, the cancellation of Carlson's show, and Matthews' Obama idolatry. But don't insult my intelligence--and yours--by suggesting Mika and Scarborough are co-equals.
Jer
lol Jer
April 1, 2009 - 22:44 ET by botgyou'd have to find a 7th grade valley girl if you want an equal to Mika.
"Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend,------------inside a dog it's too dark to read" ---Groucho
Um, Jer...
April 1, 2009 - 23:21 ET by MrShyI never said "co-equals".
You, however, DID say "not even 1/10th". Which means, what? 1/15th? 1/20th?
So you give Joe about 93-95% and her 5-7% ?? When, again, they are side by side, going back and forth on stuff, etc.? You threw out an overly exaggerated marginalization of Mika, so, had to call you out on it. That's all. :)
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April 1, 2009 - 23:32 ET by JerIt meant "nearly" 1/10th, which I thought was being generous to Mica. :-)
Jer
I win
April 1, 2009 - 23:36 ET by MrShyAnd yes, politics is a game. I won this battle. I win, I win, I win.
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Who says? Is Free Stinker
April 2, 2009 - 01:01 ET by JerWho says? Is Free Stinker keeping score again. He thinks Japan won WWII.
Jer
CNN shifted? When was it ever right?
April 1, 2009 - 20:17 ET by PopularTechCNN has ALWAYS been a leftist station. If anything the emergence of Lou Dobbs having some backbone has been the only real change. (he is still more of a populist).
CNN Headline News did have Beck but I consider them separate stations.
MSNBC has had on token Conservatives, "Morning Joe" is Joe + 4-5 Leftists. Pat Buchannan is confused on various isses but besides that the only conservative shows they had on were Michael Savage and Alan Keyes.
Andrea Mitchell, David Shuster, Chris Mathews, Keith Olbermann and Rachael Maddow are all far left talking heads.
FOX News has Greta and Sheppard Smith. O'Reilly is a populist for social conservative issues.
Without Fox you would have what? Joe and Dobbs?
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Pop Tech
April 1, 2009 - 20:23 ET by RESTLESS 1Joe and Dobbs
Yeah, and together, they only make one and a half conservatives...maybe.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
1 + 1/2 Conservatives sounds about right
April 1, 2009 - 20:27 ET by PopularTechI will give Dobbs credit he seems rational enough that he can be convinced on issues. But Dobbs lone voice on CNN hardly makes them turning to the right let alone turning from the right. WTF is that about? When was CNN ever conservative?
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Thanks PT
April 1, 2009 - 20:30 ET by MrShyThanks.
And then a partial roll-call of CNN, a list that makes this right-winger want to barf:
Campbell Brown, Anderson Cooper, Wolf Blitzer, Rick Sanchez, Roland Martin, Jack Cafferty, Sanjay Gupta, Fareed Zakaria, Christiane Amanpour, John King... (ugh, I have to stop :p)
Agggghhhh!!!! Seriously, all of our non-right leaning NB friends, how you can smugly look at Fox as some "joke" next to these two farces of "journalistic integrity", CNN and MSNBC, is beyond me.
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Who said CNN was ever to
April 1, 2009 - 23:14 ET by JerWho said CNN was ever to the "right" politically? Not I. I said it has "shifted more to the left." The fact is at one time it had quite a few conservative pundit "regulars"--just about an even split with the liberal "opinion" contributors. [I am not referring to news producers and reporters.]
Unfortunately, with respect to CNN and MSNBC, both networks seemed to have conceded the conservative audience to Fox, and thus their content and programming has correspondingly drifted left.
Greta and Shep Smith engage in little or no political commentary, so the fact they may be Democrats is of negligible consequence. O'Reilly is a Republican shill, mostly conservative, fiscally and socially, with a little bit of a populist streak [such as his views on the oil companies and price gauging.] He claims to be an environmentalist, but I've never seen him take a single pro-environmental position. [He said that he couldn't find one thing he disagreed with Bush about on environmental issues.] He is anti-death penalty (he wants those convicted of capital crimes to be incarcerated on a barren ice flow off the coast of Alaska with nothing but bread and water), and overall his criminal justice views are to the right of Judge Neapolitano, one of the most conservative judges in America. He called the four liberals on the Supreme Court a bunch of extreme leftists whom he was going to monitor closely. O'Reilly's a conservative Republican, who only endorses Republicans, and only has Republican guest hosts.
Jer
Jer
April 1, 2009 - 23:24 ET by MrShy"Unfortunately, with respect to CNN and MSNBC, both networks seemed to have conceded the conservative audience to Fox, and thus their content and programming has correspondingly drifted left."
Good point. That may indeed be why they've overtly shifted more to the left.
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Shy...I watched CNN a lot more
April 1, 2009 - 23:37 ET by JerI watched CNN a lot more when it had Novak, Buchanan, Kate O'Bierne, Mona Charen, etc. It's more interesting when there is more balance.
Jer
Yes Jer
April 1, 2009 - 23:45 ET by MrShyCNN is such a superficially dressed-up channel now. For example, there over-the-top fancy bells & whistles production all during last year's election -- the high-tech flatscreen stuff, their teams upon teams of "political experts", etc. -- was just tons of excessive fluff.
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Novak is a Republican Waterboy
April 1, 2009 - 23:49 ET by PopularTechBuchanan is a Nationalist. Neither are true conservatives.
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When did CNN have more conservative pundits?
April 1, 2009 - 23:50 ET by PopularTechWho were they? CNN has been left of center since they have existed.
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Liberal Myth = O'Reilly is a Fiscal Conservative
April 1, 2009 - 23:55 ET by PopularTechO'Reilly may be a Bush apologist and a social conservative but is far
from a fiscal conservative, he is a fiscal populist. He blamed the lack
of government regulation for the financial crisis that is NOT a
fiscally conservative position. Being anti-tax does not make you
fiscally conservative. He also is confused about global warming and
thinks it is a pollution argument. O'Reilly is no fiscal conservative.
He doesn't even understand economics. It is not just oil companies and price gouging, it is economics as a whole. He argues with Stossel and Cavuto about markets when he has NO REMOTE understanding of them. He is fiscally conservative my ass - I cannot watch his massive economic ignorance for years now.
If I hear that moron say Bush should have warned him about the economy one more time I am going to smash my TV.
The biggest damage O'Reilly has done is destroy what people think a fiscal conservative is and now liberals think it is O'Reilly the moronic "culture warrior".
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when I first started watching BOR
April 2, 2009 - 00:04 ET by katainkenthe touted himself as Independent and I can believe it. He's essentially a party of 1 (well 2, if you include his ego)
kat... I agree with your
April 2, 2009 - 00:11 ET by Jerkat...
I agree with your second statement. Re the first: BOR was a registered Republican and then when he discovered that fact was about to be publicized--after he had been representing himself as "politically neutral"--he hastily changed his registration to "Independent".
Jer
interesting
April 2, 2009 - 00:24 ET by katainkentyou'll pardon me if I looked that up ;) Reminds me of some of Obama's nominees. (Taxes? Wh-what taxes? )
Its taken me a lot of years to figure out just where I sit. My father always said he was a Rebublican and my mother always said she was Democrat. (Oh, the fights when their families got together!) It wasn't until I came to this website and began to read that I understood where I sat in on the political map.
kat...
April 2, 2009 - 00:34 ET by JerI think I'm sitting at the same place I always have. But somebody keeps moving the map.
Jer
lol
April 2, 2009 - 00:40 ET by katainkentI hear that complaint a lot from my father. My mother is quietly oblivious. So when people ask me I don't settle on a shorthand answer of a party affliation - I ask them how much time they have and if they like coffee.
BOR has been a registered Indep for quite a few yrs, correct
April 2, 2009 - 09:00 ET by thebutlerdiditsee my list above. I noticed I left Greta off my list, as she is a registered Democrat, and practicing Scientologist. O'Reilly, is somewhat more of just a plain old populist, as is Dobbs. Savage, he has a category all to his own. Buchanan, rarely seems to know what he ate for breakfast, these days, and Scarborough is a DC Republican, leaning RINO, on issues. Mika Brezenzenski, possibly brain dead, along with her commie, pali-lovin' pops.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
Pop...I'm not sure what
April 2, 2009 - 00:06 ET by JerPop...I'm not sure what criteria must be met before one qualifies as a fiscal conservative by your measure, but I know O'Reilly is vehemently anti-tax and said in 2000 that Al Gore's "big government policies would be a disaster for the American economy", and repeated essentially the same thing about Obama. I didn't specifically hear him say it about Kerry, but my guess is he did.
Jer
Being Anti-Tax is not fiscally conservative
April 2, 2009 - 00:13 ET by PopularTechI already said that does not make you fiscally coservative. This is exactly why liberals get confused. You must a capitalist, pro free market, anti-regulation, anti-government spending AND anti-tax. O'Reilly is just anti-tax like anyone with money is.
What make people like O'Reilly so dangerous is people think fiscal conservative means more government and less taxes thus deficits. I want to make this VERY clear.
Fiscal conservatives believe in balancing the budget ONLY through REDUCING government spending NOT increasing taxes in ANY way.
O'Reilly is a fiscal populist who says some things that sound good but when a crisis hits he blames the lack of government as the problem! ROFLMAO! Fiscal conservative my ASS.
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Well, Pop, you may be
April 2, 2009 - 00:23 ET by JerWell, Pop, you may be right...but I still view him as essentially fiscally conservative--just not principled enough to let pass a golden opportunity to demagog an issue like the alleged price gouging by the oil companies, since it had popular appeal and made it appear that he was "looking after the folks."
Jer
Anyone who blames "Speculators" and "Price Gougers"
April 2, 2009 - 00:49 ET by PopularTech...not only does not understand economics they are in no way a fiscal conservative. Now he is blaming the lack of government regulation for the fiscal crisis and "greed". Anyone who talks about "Greed" as much as O'Reilly either never took a basic economics course or is like I said a populist. O'Reilly is clueless.
The fact that you still consider him a fiscal conservative worries me greatly (seriously).
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Well, mainly I just think
April 2, 2009 - 00:56 ET by JerWell, mainly I just think he's an ass. :-) I don't always agree with you, but I do think you're principled. I think O'Reilly's an opportunist.
Jer
OMG, Hell must have just frozen over!
April 2, 2009 - 09:01 ET by thebutlerdiditI AGREE WITH POP TECH, ON ALL OF THE ABOVE.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
Hotgerm..FOX is right
April 1, 2009 - 20:42 ET by ConservativeRexHotgerm..FOX is right leaning? I don't think that description is even close. The reason the left thinks FOX is right leaning is that it dares to have someone give their analysis that is not completely the talking points of the left. The reason the left is bonkers that FOX is even on the air is that it poses a slightly different view that what has been heard over the television airwaves for the past four and a half decades.
To even have a different view hotgerm, is reason enough to label an entire network "righty"? Please. Report back to your handlers on the obama team that you too have failed to counter a different viewpoint on NewsBusters. Tell them to send someone a tad more clever. Oh and yes, MSNBC is an absolute PR firm of obama and his ilk.
BigTimer is, as usual, correct in her analysis.
Here's a clue: Roger
April 2, 2009 - 01:04 ET by JerHere's a clue: Roger Ailes is President of Fox News. End of story.
Jer
Jer, Is that argument
April 2, 2009 - 01:24 ET by hydrodynDMJer,
Is that argument sorta along the lines of ... "Well, since all major news organizations are owned by big evil corporations, they must all be conservative"?
No, that's the
April 2, 2009 - 01:37 ET by JerNo, that's the socialist/far left/progressive gag-inducing argument.
Jer
Jer, OK. So how is your
April 2, 2009 - 01:46 ET by hydrodynDMJer,
OK. So how is your point any different?
hydro--
April 2, 2009 - 02:01 ET by JerBecause I think a network president with a long history of ideological activism will influence the tone and content of the news division which he directly oversees more so than the suits sitting in the board of directors chairs.
Jer
You stick it to 'em Uncle Jer.
April 2, 2009 - 02:14 ET by JWFThat Roger Ailes guy needs to have it stuck to him. YEA!
He is not like those other people in the MSM like the New York Times that buried a story about how Obama gave his unpublished list of contributors to ACORN. An illegal move by the way. The same New York Times that published hit piece after hit piece on McCain, hit pieces based on slander or hearsay.
Nah. The MSM (minus FNC) got their coup d'etat and thier man is in. So let's hit the guys that are much less harmless in the grand scheme of things. Eh? HIT 'EM HARD Uncler Jer! Go Go. Rah Rah!
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Jer, That sounds like a
April 2, 2009 - 02:21 ET by hydrodynDMJer,
That sounds like a plausible theory. But it is just that - a theory.
Ultimately, if you want to determine if a particular news organization is biased one way or the other, you'll actually have to look at what they put out.
That's why I appreciate this site. It supports its basic premise with actual examples.
Pointing out that Roger Ailes is president of Fox New is hardly an "End of story" statement.
And given the amount of work that the contributors to this site put into their posts and their efforts to actually support this site's theory about liberal media bias with actual examples, your cavalier statement is kind of insulting.
It is a site about liberal media bias after all.
April 2, 2009 - 02:33 ET by JWFWe see story after story on NYT, MSNBC, CNN, LAT, NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS etc. Rarely do we get a story on a liberal slant from Fox News or Fox Business News.
Yet, here we find once again, people commenting on the rightwingyness of teh Fox News Channel.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
I certainly didn't intend to insult you, hydro.
April 2, 2009 - 03:02 ET by JerI certainly didn't intend to insult you, hydro.
Maybe I can clarify my point by offering a slightly stretched analogy:
If I were to ask why you considered the XYZ network to have a liberal bias, and you answered "Michael Moore is the president and chief of operations--end of story....Should I be insulted? Frankly, I don't think a further explanation would be necessary. Particularly so if you had been providing examples of that bias for the past couple of years, as I have regarding Fox. Maybe if analyzed in isolation, my statement could be deemed cavalier--although I would argue otherwise--but certainly not when coupled with the evidence I have set forth on numerous past occasions.
Jer
edit: hydro...I need to check out for the night. We can continue later if you like. Take care.
A study was done
April 2, 2009 - 03:46 ET by AgnosticThere was a study done that compared media outlets to 'think tanks' and their relative positions on issues. It seemed to be a fairly appropriate manner of establishing the relative position of a particular issue but I'm sure there is no concrete, 100% answer in a subjective debate. However, they found Fox News to be closest to the center. Now this study could of been done by a conservative group which would hurt its credibility but I honestly don't remember - I'll try to find it but I don't have a lot of time this morning.
A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections
Jer
April 2, 2009 - 09:09 ET by thebutlerdiditThere are 5,000 registered members at Democratic Underground. They post nearly daily, that ALL of the media is right leaning, and that MSNBC is pandering to the right, just as much as the network news does, as does CNN. They classify Fox as way far out there, and a great deal of them are now complaining that Obama has lied to them, and that he is not doing enough, or taking out those capitalist lying greedy pigs quickly enough, nor is he spending enough money. Isn't there perception just as valid? No?
P.S. A large number of them are already saying they will not support Obama further, and are going to be voting for Kucinich, if he will run again. This seems to be supported by quite a few at FireDogLake, and Think Progress. LOL.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
Butler, Jer, etc. - BUYER'S REMORSE !!!!
April 2, 2009 - 14:18 ET by MrShyFunny you bring up Kucinich -- you're spot on...
Here's some buyer's remorse from my liberal brother, who posted something recently, urging his friends to read Matt Taibbi's artical about how Wall Street insiders are using the bailout to stage a revolution...
"BOTH parties are like 99% in the tank... Obama's still MUCH MUCH MUCH better than W. But that's still not good enough. Especially in the finacial arena, where he's looking pretty conservative. Summers, Geithner, et. al. These guys helped out DE-regulating everything... You want real change? Vote in someone like Kucinich... Hope I'm wrong about big O. But we'll see. I just think wallstreet's got their claws in everyone."
:p
Aaahh, those gullible liberals, duped into thinking Obama actually had their interests at heart. And funny how, due to his and their intense BDS, Obama The Fraud is still "MUCH MUCH MUCH" better than "W".
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tbdi... I don't think
April 2, 2009 - 17:12 ET by Jertbdi...
I don't think I've spent more than three minutes at DU in my entire life, and that was only when someone here has linked it for some reason or other.
But, I am well aware there are significant numbers of left/progressive/socialists who believe that the MSM is essentially right-wing and that the NYT, WaPo, WSJ, Fox, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, etc. are all lackeys for their corporate masters whose sole objective is to oppress labor, minorities, and the powerless. They are full of shit of course.
Jer
Jer, Well, first, I
April 2, 2009 - 22:34 ET by hydrodynDMJer,
Well, first, I wasn't saying that I was insulted by your post. I was just saying that it's kind of an insult to the contributors of this site who put time and effort into posting specific examples to support the thesis of this site for you to just say "Well, all I have to do is point out who owns such and such a network and that proves a bias exists. End of story".
Secondly, your example regarding Michael Moore is interesting in that you actually say "Particularly so if you had been providing examples...". Well, that was my main point regarding your original post. If Moore was the head of XYZ network, that fact alone wouldn't prove anything about that network's bias. Actually looking at the network's stories and analyzing them for bias might.
You say that you have provided examples of Fox's bias in the past. OK. But that wasn't what you did in your original post. All you said (to paraphrase) was that Ailes was president of Fox so that proves a right bias.
No it doesn't.
As far as I can tell, your argument was the same as the "socialist/far left/progressive gag-inducing argument" I mentioned above.
As an aside - I realize that I'm probably just harping on you for putting up a quick and lazy post and so am just nitpicking.
No, hydro... You're not
April 2, 2009 - 22:39 ET by JerNo, hydro...
You're not nitpicking. I think your criticism is fair. My comment was probably a little too flip. It's not a post I'll print out for my personal Top Ten list.
Jer
Jer, Cool. I'm outa
April 2, 2009 - 22:47 ET by hydrodynDMJer,
Cool.
I'm outa here so take it easy.
Mocking and Attacking Any Popular Conservative
April 1, 2009 - 15:14 ET by karelingWell, they did it with Palin, Joe the Plumber, Rush, et al, now it's Glenn Beck's turn.
Maybe conservatives would do the same thing to the likes of Colbert, Maher, Olbermann, etc.--if they drew the same size crowds. But most likely not, since conservatives have too much class and don't need to rely on cheap shots to destroy an already self-destructive left.
Gee, who could have seen this coming?
April 1, 2009 - 15:26 ET by OxyConLike I said on the earlier thread, Beck's persona is that of Krusty the Clown, except I don't think Krusty is insane.
Liberal's aren't destroying Glenn Beck.
When you go on TV and rant and rave like a lunatic while making goofball faces, laughing hysterically one minute and sobbing like a little girl the next, then go back to making more goofball faces, you do not need any help destroying your credibility.
Watch the entire Colbert piece
April 1, 2009 - 15:31 ET by OxyConIt's alot more brutal than what is seen in the Eyeblast clip.
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/223279/march-31-2009/the-10-31-project
Gee Oxy
April 2, 2009 - 04:26 ET by well99Didnt Beck say his uncle helped liberate Auschwitz?Oh my bad it was
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV1sxq8mqvA
Maybe it was Beck that said there was 57 states?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
Career Crash
April 1, 2009 - 15:29 ET by slickwillie2001He peaked as Mr. Goodwrench, it's been downhill ever since.
Palin Beck the dream ticket
April 1, 2009 - 15:56 ET by eaglewingz08Palin Beck the dream ticket in four years. The liberals are certainly verrrrry concerned about them.
No they're not. I'm not. I'd
April 1, 2009 - 15:57 ET by balboaNo they're not. I'm not. I'd be amazed if Palin became president, and dumb-founded if Beck was on a Republican ticket.
Forget Beck, he's an
April 1, 2009 - 20:34 ET by PeskyDaneForget Beck, he's an entertainer. But Palin? Stranger things have happened. Bill Clinton was "booed" off the stage at the '88 convention, and 4 years later he was elected POTUS.
The hardcore left is terrified of Palin. That's why they tried so hard to destroy her and her family.
I would contribute $10,000
April 1, 2009 - 17:03 ET by goldbarI would contribute $10,000 dollars to the republican party to have a Palin/Beck ticket in 2012! Bring'em on!!
goldbar
April 2, 2009 - 04:28 ET by well99Easy to say since by then with all the taxes you wont have it.
I'm gonna be the turd in
April 1, 2009 - 15:56 ET by motherbeltI'm gonna be the turd in the punch bowl here, and I can't even believe I'm saying this, but I agree with Mika.
Beck has gone over the edge, around the bend, whatever you want to call it. His emotional displays are really getting old. Soon, no one is going to take him seriously.
He's like a vaudeville actor who, with every performance, cranks up the histrionics.
It's getting uncomfortable to watch him. And I don't mean because he makes one think about things they'd rather not.
He's embarrassing himself, IMO.
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
As I posted yesterday,
April 1, 2009 - 16:20 ET by marpelAs I posted yesterday, Glenn Beck has gotten creepy with the crying and emoting. I think his message is good, but the delivery sucks.
How many of us have seen Jimmy Swaggert crying and believed it? I don't know too many. It's the same thing.
I'm sure Beck's heart is in the right place but I think the crying and gnashing of teeth make him lose any credibility. I think he's his own worst enemy. The liberals aren't destroying him...he's destroying himself. It's like any minute he's going to take out a gun and blow his brains out....just to make his point. Yikes.
Knoblick
April 1, 2009 - 17:04 ET by sloerideI can't watch Colbert Report. It breaks my heart. He is such a talented comedian and actor. And to see him waste his talents on obvious snarky mockery turns my stomach. Mocking is real easy to do. Just repeat what someone said and inflect a slightly different tone. Wow! How hilarious!
The truth is Colbert could write, act and produce his own musical, if he so chose to reach his potential. Look, Stewart, he's pretty useless, his talents are toilet paper thin; the Daily Show is perfect vehicle for his smirk-filled hackery. He has no ability to rise any further than pretending to be a quasi-intellectual (who can smirk sarcastically, of course!). But Colbert on the other hand...he is capable of so much more. And right now, the nation needs another Phil Hartman. Not another Jon Stewart (let alone one).
Jealousy is so unbecoming
April 1, 2009 - 18:16 ET by c5thenColbert would give his left arm to have even a quarter of the audience that Beck draws.
Beck is averaging 2.5 million viewers a day
Colbert is averaging 1.6 million per week.
Hey, I got the wrong "CHANGE"!
www.loyaltoliberty.com
c5... That made my
April 1, 2009 - 18:26 ET by bigtimerc5...
That made my day!
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Glen Beck
April 1, 2009 - 18:16 ET by Gabrielle EThe only reason the NY times and Colbert are attacking Beck is because of his high ratings. Period. The fact that some people here think that he's somehow destroying himself is laughable.
Did anyone see how popular his "You are not alone," special was and his 9/12 project has a quarter of a million members.
I used to be put off by his antics but now I don't mind. He's done a really good job of making fun of himself and I watch him every night.
Gabrielle...I agree with
April 1, 2009 - 22:49 ET by ConservativeRexGabrielle...I agree with you. I had never watched Beck nor listened to him on the radio. I had heard that he used to be on CNN which made me suspect him from the start. Then I watched him on FOX. I have to admit, I enjoy his show.
You know as well as I do, that when obamas minions are out in full force to destroy you, you are on to something. All this business about him destroying himself is a smokescreen.
If he isn't sincere, that will take care of itself. If he IS sincere, which I happen to think, then I hope he continues to hammer them on the head. I will continue to watch him. He doesn't need me to defend him, but, when I think someone is right, I will stand in the door for them. There's my two cents.
Thanks ConservativeRex
April 2, 2009 - 11:48 ET by Gabrielle EThe great thing about democracy is that it gives every voter a chance to do something stupid.
Art Spander
Close, but not quite.
April 2, 2009 - 09:12 ET by thebutlerdiditThe reason they are slamming on Beck is partly his ratings, but mainly because they have left themselves open. There's no President boogie man, anymore, so they have to invent them from straw. Silly show, for stoned teens.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
Glenn Beck Friday March 26,
April 1, 2009 - 19:50 ET by USA4freedomGlenn Beck Friday March 26, 2009 = 2,374,000 viewers.
Colbert Report Monday Jan, 7, 2008 = 1,297,000 viewers.
(could not find any newer data)
So, 1.1 million more viewers and all that at 5:00.
That works out to 11,870,000 people a week that take an hour a day to watch him.
So let them laugh and make fun, Glenn strikes a note with many of us.
As far as him crying, well I share something with my Grandfather (who raised me, a Master Sergeant who landed on the beaches of Normandy) I cry every time I hear our National Anthem. If that makes me or my Grandfather less of a man then, then so be it.
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
I love Circus Peanuts! The
April 1, 2009 - 21:13 ET by HermanoI love Circus Peanuts! The crying was pretty funny, too. Glenn has been getting a bit emotional of late, but I understand. I am still in anger mode over many of the things our government is doing.
O Lord, Thou givest us everything, at the price of an effort. - Leonardo Da Vinci
Jeff, could you do us a favor??
April 1, 2009 - 21:37 ET by mizflame98I watched the Colbert video on his website and he accuses Beck of using the memory of 9/11 to further his career. He goes on to play an audio clip of Beck saying he can't stand the 9/11 victims. Now, I know that the left has a nasty habit of lifting clips without having it in full context. I tried to search for the complete transcripts for that day and I can't find them online. I was wondering if you or any other Newsbusters staff can find it and clear this up? I have yet to find a site defending Beck on this one. The date of the incident was September 9, 2005 and he supposedly bashed the 9/11 victims and Katrina victims on his radio program.
Thanks.
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
Hi mizflame... I do have
April 1, 2009 - 21:45 ET by bigtimerHi mizflame...
I do have to wonder if he wasn't referring to the 'Jersey Girls' and their fifteen minutes of fame everywhere on the leftist networks...Matthews was slobbering all over them, and they were trying to be stars during the 9-11 Commission BS.
....Just a quick thought I wanted to throw in.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
I don't know either.
April 1, 2009 - 21:53 ET by mizflame98I have to look them up. The only thing I know about the Jersy Girls is how the MSM and the far-left websites foamed at the mouth when A. Coulter blasted them. The new thing some of these far left bloggers are doing is using what Beck said as an example of hypocrisy when he talked about Beverly Eckert a couple of days after her death.
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
funny you mention that
April 2, 2009 - 00:17 ET by JnobleI've been trading comments tonight with a facebook friend who was bitching about Glenn Beck "complaining about 9/11 victims being too whiney". I wasn't aware of this particular item but told her that I highly suspected that he was being taken out of context on either Colbert or the Daily Shmuck Show. The replies to my comments were along the lines of 'Colbert/Stewart are comedic genious and Glenn Beck shouldn't be allowed on the air' blah blah blah.
Ever feel like you're the only one with any sense of porportion or reason? For some I know, if Colbert/Jon Stewart says it, it must be true.
Sad.
Beck gets on Republicans,
April 1, 2009 - 23:59 ET by RR GOPBeck gets on Republicans, too. No, he's not going to spend a lot of time raking them over the coals as that is already being handled by the other TV news bureaus, newspapers, magazines, educators, actors, musicians, film makers, and on and on.
Also, it's not the Republicans that are the threat. Some of them are corrupt-surely...some of them are inept-of course.
But, they controlled Congress for a decade and the White House for eight years and we never saw anything like the Fascist takeover the Left kept saying was inevitable.
So, it is not the Right (which is mostly centrist or as Meghan McCain says, "progressive")-so there is no threat there other than to impede the progress of Dear Leader and the march of Socialism.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).
Colbert has just joined the
April 2, 2009 - 01:17 ET by RogerCfromSDColbert has just joined the pantheon of spiteful jackasses who reveal their dislike of America.
I wouldn't say this if I thought he just disliked Beck. But, it's apparent he dislikes what the 9/12 Project stands for, as well. Hence, his support of country is qualified, at best.
A nation cannot be free without a free, unbiased media. We are not free.
I is funny so I is protected from criticism.
April 2, 2009 - 03:05 ET by JWFJokey time!
Question: How many democrat operatives does it take to kiss Obama's butt?
Answer: None. They can't because Aakaakaak & SpaceManSpiff & HotGermTutu & balboa are already there slobbering and planting wet sloppy libkisses all over teh place.
HA HA HA! And I am protected from any kind of a response because...
aakaakaak - Last time I checked JWF was a comedian...
spacemanspiff - I agree. JWF gets a pass...
hotgermtutu - Agreed. It's time to leave the JWF alone and stick to the real enemy.
balboa - Mommy, Bush touched me. Make him stop. I wanna cry.
Yes! JWF is all teh funny so he is excused from ANY AND ALL CRITICISM!
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
I see aakaakaak and others were here and neglected to respond.
April 2, 2009 - 23:23 ET by JWFI guess this proves I am right. I am now officially protected from criticism.
Allow me to do the superior dance now.
I am right. I have always been right. I always will be right. La La La La.
I is teh funny so I can be exempted from all criticism from now to INFINITY!
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Sick of Colbert's shtick
April 2, 2009 - 02:48 ET by lgeubankColbert is the most tiresome one-trick pony on TV. I got sick of his shtick about the second time I saw him. He's always doing that fake pose, his mock parody, that stupic attitudinizing -- sort of a bargain-basement Borat. He's the biggest jackass in show biz.
Seems to me that none of
April 2, 2009 - 10:42 ET by marvlSeems to me that none of their whining and ridiculing is working. Glenn Beck is getting more popular by the minute. And why not? He's a good man, he loves this country, and he speaks the truth.
Meanwhile, Colbert is good enough for low grade Soylent Green and little else. He's hardly funny. Being a frustrated comic with little talent, I suspect he'd be a little tough to chew.