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Ed Schultz Asks Comic Lizz Winstead if She 'Ever Regretted' Her Abortion

By Jack Coleman | July 05, 2012 | 16:00

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Here's a question liberals never ask other liberals, at least not publicly.

While appearing on Ed Schultz's radio show Tuesday and plugging her book "Lizz Free or Die: Essays," standup comic and "The Daily Show" co-creator Lizz Winstead told Schultz about becoming pregnant while a teenager and her decision to abort her unborn baby. (Audio after page break).

Schultz's question in response probably wasn't what Winstead was expecting (audio) --

SCHULTZ: Women's issues ...

WINSTEAD: Oh boy ...

SCHULTZ: ... you have been a real advocate and a real fighter.

WINSTEAD: Yeah, for Planned Parenthood and for NARAL and for anywhere that I feel like we can raise some awareness.

SCHULTZ: And there was a time there where it was a little different for you. (Schultz easing into subject).

WINSTEAD: Yeah! You know, I write in my book, I, um, part of the reason that I was inspired to sort of take this cause on is that I got pregnant the first time I had sex when I was in high school. And I was a young girl, proud Catholic family, and, you know, the reason that I wrote the story in the book is because my story's not an extraordinary one. You know, it's a story of young women who, oftentimes we were influenced by a lot of things, you know, your hormones grow way faster than your common sense does, you have a Catholic mom, who are you going to go to? So you make decisions that are not often the smartest ones.

And what happened for me was, I found myself wondering what I was going to do. I didn't know if I was pregnant or not. And I got on a bus and I saw an ad for a place that said, free pregnancy tests, choices, options. And I went into that place and it wasn't run by Planned Parenthood, it was one of those crisis pregnancy centers that, where a woman came out in a lab coat, who was not a doctor, and proceeded to demonize me, not really understanding that I was an ill-equipped young woman, I should never have been, you know, probably having sex because I wasn't smart enough to, you know, to get on birth control and know.

But she showed me photographs that were hideous, that were not real, gave me a whole bunch of disinformation, and she scared me so much and when I walked out I said, you've made me feel like a bad person, you've made me feel like I need to define myself by my mistakes. And she, and I said, and I really was hoping to get some counsel and to find out I was pregnant and to figure out what the next steps would be for me and I thought you would help me.  And she said, and I said and I'm looking for some choices and she said, your only choices are mommy or murder. That's what she said to this young girl who had come in there.

And so I was profoundly shocked that a woman wearing a lab coat, basically impersonating to the two kind of people that young girls look to the most, which is a physician and a person of God, you know, she looked me square in the face and basically said your life is insignificant. And when that happened I just thought, I don't want to live in a world where if you make a mistake you're defined by it. And also, going back to the conversation we had earlier, I didn't, I wasn't interested in kids. Like, that was something I was not interested in, and thought I would not be good at this. And if you are dumb enough to use 16-, 17-year-old logic and find yourself pregnant, surely you are not ready to do the hardest job in the world, which is motherhood. (Which Winstead maligned as "indentured servitude" back in April).

And so I kinda just wanted to tell that story and it's been met every place I go, ten, twenty, one time thirty women in the course of this 500-person event said I have a story very similar to yours. And I just want to put a face on it. I kinda wanna say, you know, you guys know me, you like me, you know, I'm your friend, I'm the person you know, and, and, you know, I had an abortion. And I'm not a bad person, I had made a mistake and I want to make sure that if you have to go through something like that, that's not the single thing that people are ...

SCHULTZ: Have you ever regretted that?

WINSTEAD: I haven't because I knew that it was the right thing to do for me
and I'll tell you, what happened was, after I left there and I went to Planned Parenthood, the thing about Planned Parenthood and one of the reasons that I advocate so strongly for them is that, they sat down with me and counseled me for a really long time and asked me questions, not to get what they thought I should do ...

SCHULTZ: Uh huh.

WINSTEAD: ... but to get me to think about what I should do. Those same set of questions with a different person, that person could have come to the conclusion, you want to know what? It's important that I keep this baby, for me. But for me, that wasn't the conclusion because they were smart enough and insightful enough questions that I was allowed to answer them for myself and then be, and know that I was making the right decision.

Count me as skeptical about Winstead's recollection of her visit to the crisis pregnancy center. I find it hard to believe that the lab-coated Nurse Ratched she describes told Winstead her options were only two -- the glib and alliterative "mommy or murder" -- and did not include an obvious third, that of adoption. Winstead's account also rings false in her claim she told the woman "you've made me feel like I need to define myself by my mistakes," which sounds scripted by Nora Ephron.

Winstead also makes a revealing remark about what happened when she went to Planned Parenthood and was asked questions "not to get what they thought I should do" -- the implication being that terminating pregnancy is the default option here. Which, what a coincidence, was the outcome. Those reassuring folks at Planned Parenthood know just what to say.

Winstead was born in August 1961 (one day after a future president named Obama) in Minnesota, which means she would have been 16 and 17 years old in the late '70s, a half-decade after Roe v. Wade legalized abortion. Which begs another question -- were parental notification laws in place where her abortion took place and, if so, were they observed?

Those photos Winstead claims were shown to her at the crisis pregnancy center, "that were hideous, that were not real" -- would they have been any less hideous had they been indisputably genuine?

Abortion apologists aren't likely to appreciate Schultz's question to Winstead -- "have you ever regretted" your decision? -- implying it was fraught with moral implications. These same apologists pretend abortion is no different than, say, liposuction or removing an appendix. Just another "choice," their revered euphemism.

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Does schultz for brains ever

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Thu, 07/05/2012 - 4:06pm.

Does schultz for brains ever regret his mother not having an abortion with him?

I know there are a lot of people that feel he is not a 'win' for the Human Race, or society as a whole.

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Yeah, the crisis pregnancy center showed her fake fetus photos

Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 07/05/2012 - 4:13pm.

in the late seventies.

Probably done in Photoshop v. 0.0

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????

Submitted by oldfart on Thu, 07/05/2012 - 4:21pm.

Ed who? Who is Ed Schutz? Wasn't he on Hogan Heroes?
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Actually, Sgt Schultz was a fictional character...

Submitted by NJRightWinger12 on Thu, 07/05/2012 - 5:01pm.

Portrayed by a man who knew it was a joke. Fat Ed is, unfortuntately, a REAL person who is so dumb he doesnt know how friggin stupid he really is!

And has anyone ever asked his mom if she regretted NOT having an abortion with Baby Eddie?

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Does "Special Ed" Schultz

Submitted by John21 on Thu, 07/05/2012 - 4:31pm.

Does "Special Ed" Schultz program count as commentary or comedy. He always sticks his foot in his mouth or his head up his a** either one is funny but is it also commentary on the stupidity of todays media?

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It's

Submitted by grammajane on Thu, 07/05/2012 - 4:41pm.

not comedy or commentary. It's plain and simple BS paid for by Comcast.

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I'd like to ask Eddie Poo's

Submitted by texastommy on Thu, 07/05/2012 - 4:42pm.

I'd like to ask Eddie Poo's mom if she ever regretted NOT having an abortion.

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Says it all

Submitted by celator on Thu, 07/05/2012 - 4:55pm.

SCHULTZ: Have you ever regretted that?

WINSTEAD: I haven't because I knew that it was the right thing to do for me

That's it in a nutshell. Me. For me. That's all that matters.

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Yeah if you are the aborted

Submitted by tcm14 on Thu, 07/05/2012 - 5:02pm.

Yeah if you are the aborted fetus you probably prefer the first nurse to Planned Parenthood. But that person was strangely absent from the interview and couldn't give an opinion.

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Nor can the 50,000,000 other

Submitted by celator on Thu, 07/05/2012 - 5:05pm.

Nor can the 50,000,000 other aborted children. It is truly the most disgusting chapter of our lifetime. And they call it "reproductive health".

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Winstead and Judge Smails

Submitted by Kingfish17 on Thu, 07/05/2012 - 6:33pm.

"It was the right thing to do for me....."

When I read that, I couldn't help but think of Judge Smail's line from Caddyshack, when speaking to high school student and caddy, Danny Noonan:

"I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber.  I didn't want to do it, but I felt I owed it to them."

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A couple of points:

Submitted by dmntd1 on Thu, 07/05/2012 - 6:40pm.

Here, quoting from the abortant mother: "I said, you've made me feel like a bad person, you've made me feel like I need to define myself by my mistakes."And now, you have defined yourself by the mistake you made. You have sacrificed the life of a child, so that you could live your life the way you want.

Many of us are defined by our 'mistakes'. Felons 'made a mistake'. Granted, the only thing NOT planned was getting caught, similar to her getting 'caught'. Edison was defined by his mistakes. How many times do we hear about how many light bulbs he made before he succeeded in bringing light to the world. Oh, and the light that could have been your child? Never brought to this world.

Next) "And if you are dumb enough to use 16-, 17-year-old logic and find yourself pregnant, surely you are not ready to do the hardest job in the world, which is motherhood." But, using that same 'dumb' 16-17-year old logic, you can come to the conclusion that it's ok to kill an unborn baby?  This is a perfect example of why parental notification laws should be in place. Maybe your parents, after initially expressing shock and disappointment, would have stepped up to the plate, and taken care of that baby. You know, that child that could, today, have been a congresscritter, or a governor of a great state in the US.

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No child is a mistake

Submitted by Shreve on Thu, 07/05/2012 - 7:08pm.

When I read articles like this, I can't help but think about the thousands of couples who can't naturally have children. They would love to be able to adopt, but selfish people like this woman don't think they should.

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Crisis Pregnancy Centers

Submitted by HudsonRiverGirl on Thu, 07/05/2012 - 7:15pm.

This story is a lie from the very first sentence.

She killed her unborn baby and feels the need to set the stage for the murder by fabricating a negative story about a Crisis Pregnancy Center.

The limited experience I have had with these centers is NOTHING like the tall tale told by this liar.

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The Left doesn't mind dead

Submitted by michael lofrano on Thu, 07/05/2012 - 8:17pm.

The Left doesn't mind dead babies, even if that entails dismembering the unborn in there sixth or seventh month of existence. After all, what could be more important then a women's right to PRIVACY.

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The real war on women...

Submitted by 125 grain on Thu, 07/05/2012 - 8:32pm.

Very sad the way the liberal agenda encouraged Ms. Winstead to rebel against her parents guidance and then convince her the murder of her unborn child is not a big deal. Makes her a tool for the liberal establishment. Who's promoting a war on women?

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50,000,000 abortions?

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Sat, 07/07/2012 - 11:16pm.

I read that in one of the posts and now I'm concerned.

Do the democrats understand that all those Babies might have grown up to vote democrat?

That might even be enough voters to swing an election to the dark side.....

A side note to the wimmen that love abortions and want every woman to have as many as they want if it will make their lives 'easier'.....

If a pregnancy would be bad for your happiness in life, then sew the damned thing shut until you learn what the hell it was made for.

Stupid BIMBOS!!!

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What you talking about Willis?*

Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 12:00am.

Stupid BIMBOS is only HALF of the problem...

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No, they're 99% of the problem

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Mon, 07/09/2012 - 2:38am.

The women always has the right to say no.

And they nearly always put themselves in the situation.

And judging from the actions and appearances of some of the 'fathers', STUPID BIMBOS pretty much clarifies the point.

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And men need to take responsibility for their actions

Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 07/09/2012 - 8:12am.

Unless they are liberals.

No way babies are made without men. They are 50% of the problem as they have the choice to keep it in their pants.

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Good morning Rad

Submitted by cocodrie on Mon, 07/09/2012 - 8:33am.

Liberals always place responsibility on the other person's shoulders so that liberals have no need for morals. As far as keeping it in their pants, liberals don't care where they put it and feel that they have the right to put it anywhere they damn well please. If we don't like it they will get the courts to make us bend over and shut up.

 

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And that would make your position.....

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Wed, 07/11/2012 - 4:39pm.

IF the man says "don't tell me no because I want to have sex."

THAT negates the females RESPONSIBILITY?

What if the guy says "No, because I don't want to risk a pregnancy with someone like you." But she insists, would it still be all the guys fault?

I need a better explanation of your position....
 

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My explanation was quite clear

Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 07/11/2012 - 7:23pm.

It takes two, the man and woman share the responsibility equally. Only liberals hold someone else accountable for their own actions.

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Dont understand you Willis*

Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 07/11/2012 - 7:40pm.

...what if she insists..."...What does that mean? If she insists means the guy has no choice but to drop his pants? Are you saying men have absolutely no control over their sexual urges? That is not only demeaning but a stereotyping as well....Although, many law enforcement personnel may agree with you. But how many times have you heard of a woman raping a man?

Any two people engaging in sexual activity, each must accept 50% of the responsibility to prevent pregnancy or disease. This is basic human natural law since Adam and Eve. Any distortions of simple truth is usually agenda driven.

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Actually cajun, you pretty

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Thu, 07/12/2012 - 11:27am.

Actually cajun, you pretty much have it down.

But the female ALWAYS bears the greatest risk, so unless it's rape...

"He" never gets pregnant. (simple truth)

IF she says "NO!" there is no risk and no pregnancy. (simple truth)

IF it is rape, then castrate him, pull all of his teeth and send him to prison.  He'll learn to enjoy the thrills and pleasures of being raped......

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So willis

Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 07/12/2012 - 6:10pm.

A child is a product of a woman AND a man. The fact that she carries the baby does not mean he is not just as responsible for the creation of the baby as she is.

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yer kinda slow aren't you?

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:35am.

yer kinda slow aren't you?

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Wrong one Willis*

Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:42am.

From the misogynist tone of your posts...me thinks it may be you that is a little "backwards".

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Good evening Caj

Submitted by cocodrie on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:52am.

The horse and buggy days are gone but blinders still exist.

 

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Methinks perhaps thou dost protest too much.

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 11:40am.

The woman bears the greatest risk for HER behavior.

She bears the greatest responsibility.

Just another one of those "SIMPLE TRUTHS".

No blinders or any dodging the issues, just plain simple facts.

What if the female were to be artificially inseminated, became pregnant, then changed her mind?  Would it still be the males fault?

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No, I'm just very patient with misguided

Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 4:13am.

People who do not believe in personal responsibility. They are known around here as liberals.

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Your entire position is based

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 11:46am.

Your entire position is based on the female not bearing the greatest responsibility for HER ACTIONS.

She knows in advance that a pregnancy may ensue following her actions, and she also knows that it WILL NOT BE THE MALE that gets pregnant.

She proceeds to engage in the behavior most likely to result in procreation with full knowledge of the risks and you are trying to blame the male for the entirety of the outcome.

These are HER direct actions and HER CHOICES.

And that's what they keep whining about isn't it?

FREEDOM OF CHOICE

SHE chose.

Deal with it.

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Be proud Willis*

Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:00pm.

Your misogyinist attitude and refusal to maturely accept personal responsibility for ones own actions is a proven cause of many of our societal problems. To the uncaring abortionists, decreasing number of legal marriages, two parent homes, and the ever increasing number of single parents, all have shown to be causes of many of our problems in our society.

Since men cant get pregnant, blame it on the woman. If a woman carelessly gets pregnant, then its her problem to either get rid of it or raise it on her own. Oh and dont ask me (father) to support a baby I didnt want in the first place. Current male logic is to justify irresponsible behavior.

Grow up Willis.

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changing the subject now?

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:12pm.

Now cajun, why would you want to run away from your previous losses.

The entire discussion was whether or not the female bears the greater burden.

I proved my point and you attempt to deflect and run away.

It's not me with the maturity issues little child.

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Good evening Willis

Submitted by cocodrie on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:19pm.

Are you saying that a man makes a woman a little bit pregnant but a woman makes herself a whole lotta pregnant? Both parties are equally responsible for a pregnancy.

 

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I have in no way discarded

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 1:58pm.

I have in no way discarded the responsibility the male portion of the equation bears.

An analogy if I may.

Person A hands a loaded firearm to person B.

Person A knows in advance the firearm is loaded and ready to fire, as does person B.

Person B pulls the trigger, discharging the firearm.

Person B scores a direct hit on his/her foot.

Who bears the greater responsibility?

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Whose foot was shot?

Submitted by Jer on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 2:31pm.

Oh, who cares. That's one of the lousiest analogies...ever.

Jer

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It's ok jer, you're still

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 3:07pm.

It's ok jer, you're still irrelevant.

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And you willis

Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 3:24pm.

are still a misogynist who doesn't think men should be held responsible for the children they help to create. No one said women weren't responsible, we said they are half responsible. It's like saying it's the fault of a store owner who gets robbed because he owned the store and had something someone else wanted. Nope, it's the the fault of the robber.

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No, child, that is the label

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 4:41pm.

No, child, that is the label you decided to attach to me because you don't have a clue what the subject under discussion is.

Like jer, you are irrelevant to the discussion.

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willis

Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 4:51pm.

Having given birth to two children, calling me "child" is inappropriate and is an example of your misogyny since you feel the need to speak down to women. And accusing me of not understanding proves my point, AGAIN.

You closet lib you.

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Now Ms Rad*

Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 5:10pm.

Remember, we were discussing 50% of the responsibilty of reproduction. Comments from you and I, part of that 50%, has been deemed irrelevant. Willis, being male, his 50% is much more important.

Half full, half empty comes to mind....LOL

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Silly girl

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 5:13pm.

It's not your age that makes me refer to you as "child" but rather your immature attitude.

And is that the longest word you can find to play with this month?

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It's immature to believe a man is half responsible for the

Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 5:55pm.

Creation of a baby? You do know how it works don't you?

Keep proving my point for me though.

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And yet somehow his 23

Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 5:59pm.

Chromosomes in baby making are only 1% responsible, but in conversation our input is irrelevant.

I think he's losing it.

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It's immature to believe a man is half responsible for the

Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 5:55pm.

Creation of a baby? You do know how it works don't you?

Keep proving my point for me though.

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Ms Rad*

Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 6:30pm.

You will continue to be irrelevant as long as you keep demanding that men take adult responsibility for their actions and decisions. Willis will never accept that since he is in suspended animation at 15 for the rest of his life.

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Maybe so...

Submitted by Jer on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 4:05pm.

but your analogy still sucks.

Jer

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At this point is where you turned stupid.

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 6:58pm.

You are confusing biology with responsibility.

You had two children, but both were strictly your doing.

Had you said "NO" the pregnancies would not have occurred.

YOUR CHOICE, you bear the greater responsibility.

Whether YOUR CHOICE was based on "Procreational desires" or "Recreational desires", at this point, is irrelevant.

YOU CHOSE to indulge in PROcreational" activities.

You had a sperm donor close at hand and made use of the services he offered.

Again, YOUR CHOICE.

Now you come back claiming that you had little, or nothing to do with the decision?

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Please continue Willis*

Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 7:08pm.

Keeping posting,,,,its called...self immolation

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No, that's the point where your argument turned specious.

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 7:08pm.

Artificial insemination? Seriously?

That's the problem?

You're hanging your argument on a woman's right to be artificially inseminated for the purpose of putting a specific man under her thumb?

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Jumpin' the shark

Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 7:15pm.

First of all, my husband is much much more that a sperm donor, and it was more, and is more, than using the services he offered. Again, you sound like a liberal, speaking as if men aren't valuable.

I never said the woman had little or nothing to do with the decision. You said the woman was 99% responsible. My argument is that the man is 50% responsible. At least in the adult world. Cajun is right, you're talking like a 15 year old.

Oh, and my two children are strictly my doing?! No dear, I'm not the Virgin Mary. I got my kids the old fashioned way.

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Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 7:16pm.

Methinks somebody (who will, of course remain nameless) has a whole new family, and resents the child support he's forced to pay his discarded family.

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Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 7:28pm.

Ah, you clever man. Having married my prince I forget all men aren't as upright as he is.

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CA, why did you say she was

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 10:56pm.

CA, why did you say she was too ugly to get pregnant in the normal fashion?

And I raised both my sons, my wife always had the right to say no, and I have told a number of women that offered "no" as a simple courtesy to my wife of 44 years and a natural HONOR to my marriage vows.

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➚ I didn't say that

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 11:15pm.

I didn't say that, but it's now open that you concluded such all on your own.

All you did was try to narrow the conversation down to women engaging in deceit via artificial insemination.

I'm of the opinion your argument represents such an infinitesmal quantity of observations as to be specious and facetious.

I said nothing about a woman being ugly. That's something that was obviously in your head.

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Well CA, you bounced into

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Sat, 07/14/2012 - 9:39am.

Well CA, you bounced into this conversation claiming that it was artificial insemination that got her pregnant.

Nobody else had mentioned anything related to that possibility.

I assumed that you knew the lady personally and were making an informed statement.

Not knowing the lady in question, I acted under the impression that her husband donated his half to create a child in a loving manner.

By her own statements she couldn't have done it alone.

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Please bring forth the post

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 10:52pm.

Please bring forth the post where i made the claim that the woman was "99% responsible."

I made no such claim.  I stated quite clearly that the woman bears the largest burden and has the right to say no.

As long as the female acquiesces there is the possibility of pregnancy and the burden is hers.

Then you confused the issue with the biological fact that it takes both to create the life which was never at issue.

Then coolarrow jumped in and made the rather spurious claim that you were obviously too ugly to become pregnant in the traditional manner by declaring that you were artificially inseminated.

A claim that had never been offered into evidence in any manner.

I also never made any direct reference to your husband, nor the manner of your becoming a mother.

Nor did I ever mention that he was less than a loving husband, those were just spurious claims made by you in a string of feeble attempts to bolster your position.

I do hope this clarifies the conversation for you.

And cajun was probably just playing devils advocate because it's fun.

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In your own words...

Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 11:06pm.

No, they're 99% of the problem Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Mon, 07/09/2012 - 2:38am. The women always has the right to say no. And they nearly always put themselves in the situation. And judging from the actions and appearances of some of the 'fathers', STUPID BIMBOS pretty much clarifies the point.

You had a sperm donor close at hand and made use of the services he offered.

You don't get it do you, that your disrespect of women is what caused Cajun and some others to get involved. 

You sure don't sound like a man who honors his wife, or the kind of man who would be getting offers.

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➚ I noticed that too

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 11:19pm.

Ol' Willis sure thinks he's quite the fetch, doesn't he.

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Sperm donor extraordinaire, thankx alot bye.

Submitted by upcountrywater on Sat, 07/14/2012 - 12:06am.

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You Didn't Build That.

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No sweetie, what you don't

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Sat, 07/14/2012 - 9:50am.

No sweetie, what you don't get is the fact that YOU made it all about YOU.

YOU took it personally.

YOU made the determination that I was attacking YOU personally when nothing could be further from the truth.

The main subject was abortion related, and the types of women that have them.

When such a discussion takes place, one can only speak in generalities.

I, personally, do not know you, nor do I know beyond any doubt that you are A: female, B: married, C: a mother.

In the future, try to keep in mind that it really isn't about you but the ills of society.

I slept well, free from fear and anxiety over what was posted on the internet last night.

Did you?

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Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 07/14/2012 - 1:46pm.

You made it personal: yer kinda slow aren't you?

You really need to read what you wrote before posting. I'm not surprised you slept well, you are either delusional or in denial about what you say and how you say it.

There were other insults, but I'm done with you.  You have no honesty.

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In other words. YOU made it

Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Mon, 07/16/2012 - 11:09am.

In other words.

YOU made it personal, I called you on it, and I'm the bad guy because you made an error?

I repeat.

yer kinda slow aren't you?

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~You kinda want to get your head handed to you on a stick

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 07/16/2012 - 11:36am.

don'tcha?

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~"No, because I don't want to risk a pregnancy...

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 07/16/2012 - 11:28am.

...with someone like you."
For someone to write that sentence and then posit that the woman in question would "still insist" on sex with the man in question...is so far past Stupid you couldn't make it back on a starship at Warp 9.

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This story does not pass the

Submitted by Liberallies on Fri, 07/13/2012 - 12:55am.

This story does not pass the smell test.

I have volunteered in and I have many friends and family members who have worked in or volunteered in pregnancy crisis centers which are not for abortion. the LAST Thing we do is make the mother feel guilty. We are all well aware that the guilt will more likely than not drive the individual into an abortion. We show compassion, love, understanding for the mother and child. We aren't preachy. We give support, listen to the woman that came in seeking help. We force no views upon the mother to be. We counsel these women, which too many are young teenage girls who didn't know any better. We start teaching them about the child inside of them, how to support them, we help them find jobs and we also help them with school if it is necessary.

What I have seen, experienced and lived in these pro-life pregnancy centers is the antethesis of what Winstead described.

More likely than not, Winstead is lying. She sounds like someone who desperately needs to justify the choice she made. All we can do for her is Love her and pray for her.

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Slightly off-topic...

Submitted by Dave the mailman on Sat, 07/14/2012 - 12:37am.

If a woman gets extremely drunk and has sex, she can later claim that since she was drunk she was not in a mental state to make that decision and can call it 'date rape'....and the guy gets in trouble.

But if a guy gets drunk and has sex, resulting in a pregnancy, he CAN'T use the excuse of being drunk and still has to pay child support.

My point is NOT that men should get away with not paying child support, but rather, that women shouldn't be able to use "I was drunk" to excuse bad behavior or poor decision making skills.

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