Thom Hartmann Doesn't Want Any President Guided By Religion. Except, of Course, Obama.
President Obama is pursuing policies that "define all the world's major religions," Thom Hartmann gushes. Which no president should ever do, Thom Hartmann warns.
The liberal radio host tried to pass off this apparent contradiction during conversations with callers to his show on Jan. 5 (audio clips after page break)
First, Hartmann said this in response to a caller saying voters should not pick a president based on his or her "religious affiliation" (audio) --
CALLER: I mean, we're not making, we're making a president (yes -- "making a president") and we should vote on the basis of whether he is the best person to do the job, not for his religious affiliation and ...
HARTMANN: I totally agree with you and in fact, I think that a president who says that he is going to be motivated, led, or guided by his religion is, frankly, a danger to the country.
All of two minutes later, Hartmann enthused about Obama "promoting policies" that Christians ought to love (audio) --
CALLER: I just want to make a point that you keep hearing everything from these evangelicals saying they're going to eventually hold their nose and vote for Romney when shouldn't they be holding their nose and voting for Obama since Obama's a Christian?
HARTMANN: Well, not only that, he is, he is promoting policies that feed the hungry, that heal the sick, that give shelter to the shelterless, and back in Jesus's day that would be clothing the naked, but now it's housing the homeless. I mean, he's, he is pursuing those policies that define all the world's major religions and, for Christians, define Christianity. And so, yeah, I'm totally with you, Eric. If somebody wants to vote their religion, they should be voting that policy. Or, or somebody even more progressive than that, more progressive than Obama.
Got that? Evangelicals should vote for Obama over Romney because Obama is the true Christian, as far as Hartmann is concerned. Just look at his policies, right? Written all over them. But if Obama is a Christian as he professes, how could he not be guided by his faith?
Hartmann reminds me of liberals who are unhinged by the specter of Tim Tebow praying during a football game. I wonder if these same critics would be as agitated if a Muslim quarterback celebrated every touchdown by yelling "Allahu Akbar!"
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Says you!
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 7:54pm.
"I think that a president who says that he is going to be motivated, led, or guided by his religion is, frankly, a danger to the country."
Since just about every President that has existed in the last 200 years or so have make that assertion, just how many of those would you consider "dangerous?" Was FDR, say, dangerous because he stated, to his son after winning the Presidential election, that : "After you leave me tonight, Jimmy, I am going to pray. I am going to pray that God will help me, that he will give me the strength and the guidance to do this job and to do it right. I hope that you will pray for me, too, Jimmy." How did America ever survive this dangerous, pious President?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
To say a liberal
Submitted by Mark81150 on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 8:45pm.
is confused,... is being overly generous. Most folks can hold several contradictary thoughts.. but more through failing to think them through than any malintent. Liberals will quite literally tell you that act A. is a stone cold crime against humanity in every possible context..... then when told Obama has not only commited act A. but doubled down on it way past Bush's actions.... will then tell you with a straight face and complete sincerity in this circumstance, it's really an act that Jesus would approve of, and why are you being so racist?
At this point, I've given up trying to reason with them, that implies most are acting in good faith, trying to do the right thing, they aren't.. .............. they simply want to win, no matter what, and if morals or ethics are in their way,.. so be it...
I think there is little doubt
Submitted by Eric the Fred on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 8:53pm.
Obama is an Atheist (I use capital A because Atheism is a creed). Most, if not all, atheist-lefties know this and they know he had to lie about being religious in order to get elected (something they deplored).
This radio host knows Obama's an Atheist as well but he also knows that, as in 2008, he will not be re-elected unless he pretends to be a believer. So, he is spinning Obama as a 'Christian' that Christians might vote for him, or that the gullible might believe Obama's a 'good' person. It is pure, cynical marketing tactics from this radio host who thinks he's far more intelligent than he really is.
If this host were truly intelligent (like me, heh heh) then he'd know that any half-educated religious person knows Leftism and its 'progressive' policies are totally and completely anti-thetical to Christianity and any other religions. He would thus not try to pull this stupid wool over their eyes by asserting a truly religious person would vote for Obama or someone 'even more progressive'. The fact he does so shows his condescension and arrogance, but mostly it shows his stupidity.
Hey DUMB DUMB, what country do you think you woke up in?
Submitted by stage9 on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 10:01pm.
"I think that a president who says that he is going to be motivated, led, or guided by his religion is, frankly, a danger to the country." --Thom Hartmann
The Founders on Christianity:
Jesus
"In the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior. The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity." -- John Quincy Adams (Sixth President of the United States; Diplomat; Secretary of State; U.S. Senator; US Representative)
Called on the State of Massachusetts to pray that . . ."the peaceful and glorious reign of our Divine Redeemer may be known and enjoyed throughout the whole family of mankind (3)....that we may with one heart and voice humbly implore His gracious and free pardon through Jesus Christ, supplicating His Divine aid. . . [and] above all to cause the religion of Jesus Christ, in its true spirit, to spread far and wide till the whole earth shall be filled with His glory (4)....with true contrition of heart to confess their sins to God and implore forgiveness through the merits and mediation of Jesus Christ our Savior."(5) -- Samual Adams (Signer of the Declaration of Independence; Father of the American Revolution; Ratifier of the US Constitution; Governor of Massachusetts)
Called on the people of New Hampshire . . . "to confess before God their aggravated transgressions and to implore His pardon and forgiveness through the merits and mediation of Jesus Christ . . . [t]hat the knowledge of the Gospel of Jesus Christ may be made known to all nations, pure and undefiled religion universally prevail, and the earth be fill with the glory of the Lord."6 -- Josiah Bartlett (Miliary Officer; Singer of the Declaration of Independence; Judge; Governor of New Hampshire)
"Let us enter on this important business under the idea that we are Christians on whom the eyes of the world are now turned… [L]et us earnestly call and beseech Him, for Christ’s sake, to preside in our councils. . . . We can only depend on the all powerful influence of the Spirit of God, Whose Divine aid and assistance it becomes us as a Christian people most devoutly to implore. Therefore I move that some minister of the Gospel be requested to attend this Congress every morning . . . in order to open the meeting with prayer."7. -- Elias Boudinot (President of Congress; Signed the Peace Treaty to end the American Revolution; Forst Attorney Admitted to the US Supreme Court bar; Framer of teh Bill of Rights; Director of the US Mint)
"The great, vital, and conservative element in our system is the belief of our people in the pure doctrines and the divine truths of the Gospel of Jesus Christ."8 -- Congress 1854
"[Governments] could not give the rights essential to happiness… We claim them from a higher source: from the King of kings, and Lord of all the earth.10. -- John Dickenson (Signer of the Constitution; Governor of Pennsylvania; Governor of Deleware; General in the American Revolution)
Called on the State of Massachusetts to pray that . . ."with one heart and voice we may prostrate ourselves at the throne of heavenly grace and present to our Great Benefactor sincere and unfeigned thanks for His infinite goodness and mercy towards us from our birth to the present moment for having above all things illuminated us by the Gospel of Jesus Christ, presenting to our view the happy prospect of a blessed immortality.(11) And for our unparalleled ingratitude to that Adorable Being Who has seated us in a land irradiated by the cheering beams of the Gospel of Jesus Christ . . . let us fall prostrate before offended Deity, confess sincerely and penitently our manifold sins and our unworthiness of the least of His Divine favors, fervently implore His pardon through the merits of our mediator.(12) And deeply impressed with a scene of our unparalleled ingratitude, let us contemplate the blessings which have flowed from the unlimited grave and favor of offended Deity, that we are still permitted to enjoy the first of Heaven’s blessings: the Gospel of Jesus Christ." (13) -- Elbridge Gerry (Signer of the Declaration of Independence; member of the Constitutional Convention; Framer of teh bill of Rights; Governor of Massachusetts; Vice President of the United States)
Called on the State of Massachusetts to pray . . ."that all nations may bow to the scepter of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and that the whole earth may be filled with his glory."14
"...that the spiritual kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ may be continually increasing until the whole earth shall be filled with His glory."15
...to confess their sins and to implore forgiveness of God through the merits of the Savior of the World.16
"...to cause the benign religion of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to be known, understood, and practiced among all the inhabitants of the earth."17
"...to confess their sins before God and implore His forgiveness through the merits and mediation of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior."18
"...that He would finally overrule all events to the advancement of the Redeemer’s kingdom and the establishment of universal peace and good will among men."19
"...that the kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ may be established in peace and righteousness among all the nations of the earth."20
"...that with true contrition of heart we may confess our sins, resolve to forsake them, and implore the Divine forgiveness, through the merits and mediation of Jesus Christ, our Savior. . . . And finally to overrule all the commotions in the world to the spreading the true religion of our Lord Jesus Christ in its purity and power among all the people of the earth."21 -- John Handcock (Signer of the Declaration of Independence; President of Congress; Revolutionary General; Governor of Massachusetts)
"It becomes a people publicly to acknowledge the over-ruling hand of Divine Providence and their dependence upon the Supreme Being as their Creator and Merciful Preserver . . . and with becoming humility and sincere repentance to supplicate the pardon that we may obtain forgiveness through the merits and mediation of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."23 -- Samuel Huntington (Signer of the Declaration of Independence; President of Congress; Judge; Governor of Connecticut)
"I recommend a general and public return of praise and thanksgiving to Him from whose goodness these blessings descend. The most effectual means of securing the continuance of our civil and religious liberties is always to remember with reverence and gratitude the source from which they flow."24. -- John Jay (President of Congress; Diplomat; Author of the Federalist Papers; Original Chief justice of the US Supreme Court; Governor of New York)
"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."26. -- Thomas Jefferson (Signer of the Declaration of Independence; Diplomat; Governor of Virginia; Secreatary of State; Third President of the United States)
Called on the State of Massachusetts to pray that . . ."all nations may know and be obedient to that grace and truth which came by Jesus Christ."39. -- Caleb Strong (Delegate to the Constitutional Convention; Ratifier of the Constitution; US Senator; Governor of Massachusetts)
Christianity
"The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God." 1. -- John Adams (Signer of the Declaration; Judge; Diplomat; One of the Two Signers of the Bill of Rights, Second President of the United States)
"The Holy Ghost carries on the whole Christian system in this earth. Not a baptism, not a marriage, not a sacrament can be administered but by the Holy Ghost. . . . There is no authority, civil or religious – there can be no legitimate government but what is administered by this Holy Ghost. There can be no salvation without it. All without it is rebellion and perdition, or in more orthodox words damnation." 2 -- John Adams (Signer of the Declaration; Judge; Diplomat; One of the Two Signers of the Bill of Rights, Second President of the United States)
"Had the people, during the Revolution, had a suspicion of any attempt to war against Christianity, that Revolution would have been strangled in its cradle... In this age, there can be no substitute for Christianity... That was the religion of the founders of the republic and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants."9. -- Congress, U. S. House Judiciary Committee, 1854
"The great pillars of all government and of social life [are] virtue, morality, and religion. This is the armor, my friend, and this alone, that renders us invincible."22 -- Patrick Henry (Revolutionary general; Legislator; The Voice of Liberty; Ratifier of the US Constitution; Governor of Virginia)
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation, to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."25. -- John Jay (President of Congress; Diplomat; Author of the Federalist Papers; Original Chief justice of the US Supreme Court; Governor of New York)
"A watchful eye must be kept on ourselves lest, while we are building ideal monuments of renown and bliss here, we neglect to have our names enrolled in the Annals of Heaven." 27. -- James Madison (Signer of the Constitution; Author of the Federalist Papers; Framer of the Bill of Rights; Secreatey of State; Fourth President of the Unted States)
"There must be religion. When that ligament is torn, society is disjointed and its members perish… [T]he most important of all lessons is the denunciation of ruin to every state that rejects the precepts of religion."29 -- Gouverneur Morris (Revolutionary Officer; Member of teh Continental Congress; signer of the Constitution; Penman of the Constitution; Diplomat; US Senator)
"To the kindly influence of Christianity we owe that degree of civil freedom and political and social happiness which mankind now enjoys. All efforts made to destroy the foundations of our Holy Religion ultimately tend to the subversion also of our political freedom and happiness. In proportion as the genuine effects of Christianity are diminished in any nation… in the same proportion will the people of that nation recede from the blessings of genuine freedom… Whenever the pillars of Christianity shall be overthrown, our present republican forms of government – and all the blessings which flow from them – must fall with them. 30. -- Jedidiah Morse ( Historian of teh American Revolution; Educator; Father of American Geography; Appointed Secretary of State to document condition of Indian Affairs)
"Has [government] any solid foundation? Any chief cornerstone?... I think it has an everlasting foundation in the unchangeable will of God… The sum of my argument is that civil government is of God."31. -- James Otis (Leader of the Sons of Liberty; Attorney & Jurist; Mentor of John Hancock & Samuel Adams)
"[T]he greatest discoveries in science have been made by Christian philosophers and . . . there is the most knowledge in those countries where there is the most Christianity." 34. -- Benjamin Rush (Signer of the Declaration of Independence; Surgeon General of teh Continental Army; Ratifier of the US Constitution; Father of American Medicine; Treasurer of the US Mint; Father of Public Schools under the Constitution)
"One of the beautiful boasts of our municipal jurisprudence is that Christianity is a part of the Common Law. There never has been a period in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying at its foundations."37. -- Joseph Story (US Congressman; Father of American Jurisprudence; US Supreme Court Justice Appointed by President James Madison)
"I verily believe that Christianity is necessary to support a civil society and shall ever attend to its institutions and acknowledge its precepts as the pure and natural sources of private and social happiness."38. -- Joseph Story (US Congressman; Father of American Jurisprudence; US Supreme Court Justice Appointed by President James Madison)
"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."40. -- George Washington (Judge; memeber of the Continental Congress; Commander-in-Cheif of the Continental Army; President of the Constitutional Convention; First President of the United States; Father of the Country)
"The blessing and protection of Heaven are at all times necessary but especially so in times of public distress and danger. The General hopes and trusts that every officer and man will endeavor to live and act as becomes a Christian soldier, defending the dearest rights and liberties of his country."41. -- George Washington (Judge; memeber of the Continental Congress; Commander-in-Cheif of the Continental Army; President of the Constitutional Convention; First President of the United States; Father of the Country)
"[T]he Christian religion – its general principles – must ever be regarded among us as the foundation of civil society."42. -- Daniel Webster ( US Senator; Secreatary of State; Defender of the Constitution)
"Whatever makes men good Christians, makes them good citizens."43. -- Daniel Webster ( US Senator; Secreatary of State; Defender of the Constitution)
"[T]he religion which has introduced civil liberty is the religion of Christ and His apostles… This is genuine Christianity and to this we owe our free constitutions of government."46. -- Noah Webster (Revolutionary Soldier; Judge; Legislator; Educator; Invented Websters Dictionary)
"[T]he Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children under a free government ought to be instructed. No truth is more evident than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people."50. -- Noah Webster (Revolutionary Soldier; Judge; Legislator; Educator; Invented Websters Dictionary)
"[T]he Christian religion… is the basis, or rather the source, of all genuine freedom in government… I am persuaded that no civil government of a republican form can exist and be durable in which the principles of Christianity have not a controlling influence."52. -- Noah Webster (Revolutionary Soldier; Judge; Legislator; Educator; Invented Websters Dictionary)
"[H]e is the best friend to American liberty who is the most sincere and active in promoting true and undefiled religion (James 1:27), and who sets himself with the greatest firmness to bear down profanity and immorality of every kind. Whoever is an avowed enemy of God, I scruple not to call him an enemy to his country.53.-- John Witherspoon ( Signer fo the Declaration of Independence; Ratifier of teh US Constitution; Presidnet of Princeton)
Bible
"[P]ublic utility pleads most forcibly for the general distribution of the Holy Scriptures. Without the Bible, in vain do we increase penal laws and draw entrenchments around our institutions.28 -- James McHenry (Revolutionary Officer; Signer of the Constitution; Ratifier of the US Constitution; Secretary of War under Presidents George Washington and John Adams)
"When the righteous rule, the people rejoice; when the wicked rule, the people groan." [invoking Proverbs 29:2 to instruct a grand jury].32 -- William Patterson (Attorney General of New Jersey; Signer of the Constitution; US Senator; Governor of New Jersey; US Supreme Court Justice)
"I do not believe that the Constitution was the offspring of inspiration, but I am as satisfied that it is as much the work of a Divine Providence as any of the miracles recorded in the Old and New Testament."33. -- Benjamin Rush (Signer of the Declaration of Independence; Surgeon General of teh Continental Army; Ratifier of the US Constitution; Father of American Medicine; Treasurer of the US Mint; Father of Public Schools under the Constitution)
"[T]he only means of establishing and perpetuating our republican forms of government is the universal education of our youth in the principles of Christianity by means of the Bible."35. -- Benjamin Rush (Signer of the Declaration of Independence; Surgeon General of teh Continental Army; Ratifier of the US Constitution; Father of American Medicine; Treasurer of the US Mint; Father of Public Schools under the Constitution)
"The Bible, when not read in schools, is seldom read in any subsequent period of life… [T]he Bible… should be read in our schools in preference to all other books because it contains the greatest portion of that kind of knowledge which is calculated to produce private and public happiness."36. -- Benjamin Rush (Signer of the Declaration of Independence; Surgeon General of teh Continental Army; Ratifier of the US Constitution; Father of American Medicine; Treasurer of the US Mint; Father of Public Schools under the Constitution)
“The volume which he consulted more than any other was the Bible. It was his custom, at the commencement of every session of Congress, to purchase a copy of the Scriptures, to peruse it daily, and to present it to one of his children on his return.” -- Roger Sherman. The Globe (Washington DC newspaper), August 15, 1837, p. 1. (Signer of the Declaration of Independence; Signer of the Constitution; Master Builder of the Constitution; Judge; Framer of the Bill of Rights; US Senator)
"[T]o the free and universal reading of the Bible… men [are] much indebted for right views of civil liberty."44 -- Daniel Webster ( US Senator; Secreatary of State; Defender of the Constitution)
"The Bible is a book… which teaches man his own individual responsibility, his own dignity, and his equality with his fellow man."45. -- Daniel Webster ( US Senator; Secreatary of State; Defender of the Constitution)
"The moral principles and precepts found in the Scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws."47. -- Noah Webster (Revolutionary Soldier; Judge; Legislator; Educator; Invented Websters Dictionary)
"All the… evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible."48. -- Noah Webster (Revolutionary Soldier; Judge; Legislator; Educator; Invented Websters Dictionary)
"[O]ur citizens should early understand that the genuine source of correct republican principles is the Bible, particularly the New Testament, or the Christian religion."49. -- Noah Webster (Revolutionary Soldier; Judge; Legislator; Educator; Invented Websters Dictionary)
"The Bible is the chief moral cause of all that is good and the best corrector of all that is evil in human society – the best book for regulating the temporal concerns of men."51. -- Noah Webster (Revolutionary Soldier; Judge; Legislator; Educator; Invented Websters Dictionary)
"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner." — Malcolm Muggeridge
Well,
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 10:37pm.
Im convinced!
stage9, I noticed you
Submitted by PaleHorse on Fri, 01/13/2012 - 10:14am.
stage9, I noticed you conveniently left some great Christianity quotes out of the mix. I would suppose this was intentional because the reality of their beliefs doesn't fit your claim.
"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth." - THOMAS JEFFERSON
"Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and imposters led by Paul, the first great corruptor of the teachings of Jesus." - THOMAS JEFFERSON
"The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulturated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ." - THOMAS JEFFERSON
"The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity." - JOHN ADAMS
"Among the most detesable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to 'God' to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers, and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator's name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible)." - THOMAS PAINE
"What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyrrany. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy." - JAMES MADISON
These are just a small sample of the wealth of anti-Christian quotes that exist.
The Founding Fathers sure don't sound Christian to me. I'll never figure out how people can pretend that men who are openly ANTI-Christian are Christian. To ignore reality to such a degree is startling.
Well, Palehorse, I guess....
Submitted by NC Cop on Fri, 01/13/2012 - 10:20am.
you left out a few quotes yourself, huh? Perhaps they didn't fit YOUR claim:
George Washington
1st U.S. President
"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."
John Adams
2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence
"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."
"The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God."
"The second day of July, 1776, will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance, by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade, with shows, games, sports, guns, bells, bonfires and illuminations, from one end of this continent to the other, from this time forward forever."
Thomas Jefferson
3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence
"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event."
"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
You're as sharp as ever Palehorse, keep up the good work.
NC Cop, don't know what to
Submitted by PaleHorse on Sat, 01/14/2012 - 12:12am.
NC Cop, don't know what to tell you, but the wealth of anti-Christian quotes speak for themselves. Sorry tiger. Pretend all you want but Jefferson hated Christianity. These are simple, well-recognized facts.
Context
Submitted by misterbee241 on Fri, 01/13/2012 - 11:32am.
Context, Context.
Text taken out of context is pretext.
context
Submitted by Agnostic on Fri, 01/13/2012 - 12:05pm.
Having a distrust of the influence of the church in government affairs and vice versa is completely different than anti-Christian. Many of the Founders were witness to the corruption and manipulation of the association of church and state. Their desire a repetition of those mistakes is not anti-Christian but an acknowledgement that the affairs of spirit and the affairs of state should be separate.
Agnostic, what's with the
Submitted by PaleHorse on Sat, 01/14/2012 - 12:10am.
Agnostic, what's with the willful ignorance? The Founders were EXPLICITLY anti-Christian. They called Christianity by name. For instance, the quote I posted about Moses. How is that not anit-Christian? How are Jefferson's quotes NOT anti-Christian. Either you are completely lacking in reading comprehension or you are unwilling to accept the truth. Amazing.
anti-religious founders
Submitted by Agnostic on Sat, 01/14/2012 - 9:30am.
a few were anti-religion and thereby anti-Christian (perhaps one was anti-Christian specifically) but on whole they were believers in a higher power. Many were Christians and devoted to their beliefs.
I guess what I'm rejecting is the over reaching terms of anti-Christian and the sentence 'The Founders were EXPLICITLY anti-Christian'.
Change the sentiment to a few of the founder fathers were anti-religion including Christianity with a strong belief that in continuous respect of personal freedoms that the state should not give advocacy of or receive any succor from any religious organization. This would be a more realistic interpretation of your quotes.
religions of the founding fathers - for what it is worth
What context am I missing
Submitted by PaleHorse on Sat, 01/14/2012 - 12:08am.
What context am I missing exactly? Those comments couldn't be any more clear. I'll provide many more if you insist.
Might want to check those budddy
Submitted by sentry_99 on Sat, 01/14/2012 - 1:16am.
Just checking the first quote and finding it to be BS, I won't waste my time with you further. Link
...he is promoting policies
Submitted by PeskyDane on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 10:21pm.
...he is promoting policies that feed the hungry, that heal the sick, that give shelter to the shelterless, and back in Jesus's day...
Libtards love to get all Jesus on you when it comes time to steal the labor from the productive class.
Where does he get off lecturing on Christianity?
Submitted by drsamherman on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 11:07pm.
I cannot find an instance where the idiot has said what his religion is. If anything, I put him down in the agnostic to atheist category, followed perhaps by an "alternative" religion of his own creation. The only time he utters the name of Christ is when he steps on a nail or drops something on his foot.
"I think that a president
Submitted by misterbee241 on Fri, 01/13/2012 - 11:30am.
"I think that a president who says that he is going to be motivated, led, or guided by his religion is, frankly, a danger to the country."
Only if he's a Muslim.