Wha...? Maddow Describes Unanimous Senate Votes to Confirm Petraeus and Panetta as 'Controversial'
Controversy ain't what it used to be, not at MSNBC.
The network's Rachel Maddow cited two odd examples of what she deems controversial on her show Thursday, in the first and only time both examples will ever be cited as controversial (video after page break) --
In the midst of this partisanship so extreme that it has become quite literally pointless, today in the United States Senate there was a vote on one of the most controversial things in American politics and government and the final tally of that vote in the Senate, look, 94 to zero. Had six senators not missed that vote, dollars to doughnuts, I'm telling you it would have been 100 to nothing.
This was a show of bipartisanship not seen in Washington on any matter since nine days ago when there was in fact a 100 to nothing vote on something, something that was as big a deal, as controversial and frankly as unpopular with the public. Nine days ago it was the head of the CIA, Leon Panetta, getting unanimously confirmed to become the new head of the Pentagon. Now today, it was one of the top generals at the Pentagon getting unanimously confirmed to be the new head of the CIA. So, you know, just swap hats you guys.
Am I missing something here? Every single senator present to vote on Petraeus's confirmation to CIA does so, the only exceptions being those not actually on Capitol Hill when the vote is taken -- and this constitutes "one of the most controversial things in American politics and government"?
Just in case you were wondering if this was a fluke on Maddow's part, she doubles down. Not only was Petraeus's confirmation vote "controversial," so was Panetta's for defense nine days earlier, and this was just as "unpopular with the public," Maddow assures us. She clearly remembers how it was all the buzz that day at 30 Rock and everyone was in vigorous agreement, a sure sign something is controversial.
Why, there hasn't been such controversy from a unanimous Senate vote since the declaration of war against Japan after that alleged attack on Pearl Harbor.
In the remainder of the segment (which can be seen in its entirety here), Maddow talked about growing opposition to the war in Afghanistan, which appears to have accelerated since bin Laden was killed, and drone strikes extending into Somalia. What she does here is conflate controversy over the widening breadth of American involvement in conflict abroad with indisputable non-controversy over confirmation votes for Panetta and Petraeus.
How would Maddow describe votes where the tallies were nine-to-one instead of 100 percent -- super-duper controversial?
Toxic partisanship isn't the only thing "quite literally pointless" these days. So was this analysis by Maddow.
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→ Maddow forgets
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 9:21pm.
Did she mention the absolute bipartisan togetherness against Obama's Budget?
→ How silly of me
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 9:22pm.
That vote was only 97-0 against.
Any RINO Senate critter that voted to confirm Leon Pinheadia...
Submitted by Dave. on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 10:13pm.
...and who is up for reelection in 2012, needs to be targeted for defeat.
We have to stop playing nice with the Comrade Chairman.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
MOOO!
Submitted by ironhead4099 on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 10:13pm.
The MadCow is at it again with more nonsense! The fact that these 2 appointments by our Liberal in Cheif were confirmed without dessent, would be hailed by most as a victory! She failed to mention the vote on his budget last month, in fact everybody on MSNBS did, his CRUSHING DEFEAT OF HIS BUDGET! The same day it was voted on was the same day the Ryan budget proposal was defeated, and that Republican defeat was the headline on all their shows!
She won't find the Patraeus.....
Submitted by GregE on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 10:20pm.
.....confirmation controversial, once she realizes (if ever) that it pulls the rug out from under a good possibility of his having had the strong potential of being a Republican VP nominee.
Apparently.....
Submitted by GregE on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 10:21pm.
....all cabinet positions and other top tier political appointee jobs in DC are completely interchangeable.
SWAPS...
Submitted by JPTSO3 on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 12:41pm.
Swap hats? Madcow should swap brains with a 5th grader. No -- I withdraw that… Madcow's mellon packing isn't analogous to a 5th grader's brain. How about Mrs Ed swaps her man-suit for a cocktail dress and we call her a débutante - It won’t be true, but she’d be dressed like one.
The obvious should not be lost on anyone. Panetta isn’t being pinned with 4 stars and won’t be worried about the uniform of the day and the proper angle of his "hat"...
The Senate doesn't want to take any chances...
Submitted by bigdaddy on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 11:18pm.
...They have had enough of the A$$ clowns that BO, The Magnificent, has put into other positions into his "Three Ring" administration.
How is "unanimous" related to "controversial"?
Submitted by drsamherman on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 11:35pm.
Did the dingbat forget her thesaurus again?
Just another small piece of evidence...
Submitted by Bill Brasky on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 11:48pm.
that this dumb broad has nothing to offer. Who watches this crap?
That ain't nuthin'
Submitted by OxyCon on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 1:25am.
Maddow's twin brother called Republicans "terrorists" on a Socialist program on MessNBC!
It's all right here:
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/07/02/msnbc-guest-republicans-acting-like-i...
Here's an idea
Submitted by DontFeedTheTrolls on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 4:49am.
How about a couple drone strikes on MSNBC headquarters?
I don`t think Madcow was
Submitted by Pinetree3 on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 8:05am.
I don`t think Madcow was screeching about the vote. I think Madcow meant that Petraeus is controversial in the eyes of Huffpo, DU, herself, etc.
Yes, You Have the Decoder Ring
Submitted by Tenebrous on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 9:17am.
That's the secret to understanding the left's magic words, such as "controversial", "some say", and so on. Just insert the appropriate forms of speech pertaining to liberals. So "controversial" becomes "controversial to liberals", "some say" becomes "some liberals say", and so forth. After all, liberals are the standard, and the rest of us are just mindless, backwards, gap-toothed, drawling idiots.
Visions and Principles blog
I usually translate "some
Submitted by motherbelt on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:00am.
I usually translate the "some" in some say to "my friends and I "
Watching the entire eleven-minute video
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 9:37am.
as opposed to the 60-second excerpt adds considerable clarity to Maddow's point, i.e. the enormous funding demands on the nation's treasury which our continuing and increasingly unpopular intervention in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other countries has created [potentially in the neighborhood of 4 trillion dollars] in addition to a baseline defense budget which has doubled over the past decade. Yet, while the state of the economy and exploding deficits are driving intensely partisan bickering between the two parties, they give unanimous and perfunctory nods of approval to both Petraeus and Panatta with little or no debate over their views regarding the fiscal impact of these problematic military ventures. [And, yes, the "controversy" relates to foreign policy and debt and debate--not the competency or confirmation qualifications of these two public servants.]
Whether one agrees with Maddow's position or not, her argument is at least more comprehensible once it is fully aired.
Jer
Is it, really, Jer?
Submitted by CobraMan on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 11:48am.
Is it, really, Jer? We've know the positions, opinions, of both men for months, and even years. There's really not much left to debate abouth them. Nothing they say is actually controversial, at least to the general public. The only one's who find them "controversial" are those who wish to create a controversy. Their opinions and positions may not be popular, but they are in no way controversial.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Cobra...
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 6:37pm.
[And, yes, the "controversy" relates to foreign policy and debt and debate--not the competency or confirmation qualifications of these two public servants.]
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-coleman/2011/07/02/wha-maddow-describe...
Jer
Read more what?
Submitted by CobraMan on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 7:15pm.
Read more what, something that I already read? You may want to check that link.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
By the way, Jer
Submitted by CobraMan on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 7:31pm.
By the way, Jer, the vote was not "a vote on one of the most controversial things in American politics and government," as Maddow claims. It was a vote on an appointment. Well, two appointments, actually. There have been other votes on things like Iraq, Afghanistan, and the like. Several votes, as a matter of fact. She, like you, are trying to make these appointments into some type of statement about policy, statements that have already been made when those policies were discussed and approved by Congress. You may think the appointments are controversial, but, you and Maddow are about the only ones who do. I don't find those votes controversial, not in the least. I don't even find them surprising. I rather expected them to go just the way they did.
I think I understand what Maddow finds so controversial about this: she wasn't a part of it!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Madcow made a
Submitted by UpNorth on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 1:30pm.
"comprehensible" argument? Where?
As to "unpopular" interventions, I note you failed to name Libya by name, just one of those "other countries". And, it would appear that you're using, and fully accept the WaPo estimate of the cost of the wars? Would that be a fair statement, Jer? Or, are you using this estimate of the cost?
It would seem there's some disagreement as to cost, at least according to the CBO. At least, from what I read.
UpNorth...
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 6:32pm.
Have you had the opportunity to view the entire video? My conclusion was that doing so makes her argument [perhaps "commentary" would have been the better tern] "more comprehensible" [in comparison to the 60-second clip which does indeed baffle].
No, I did not mention Libya by name, nor Yemen or Somalia which Maddow also included. Instead, I referred to "other countries". I'm not sure what point you wish to make by noting that fact. There was no particular point I was trying to make by wording the sentence as it appeared in my post.
With respect to cost, the potential 4 trillion dollar figure was the number cited by Maddow, who was basing it on an article recently published in the WSJ.
Jer
Oh, Brown University.
Submitted by UpNorth on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 7:39pm.
I'm not ready to take their word over the CBO on this. It's one take on the cost. The CBO's is another. I think the CBO is probably more credible than BU. But, that's just my take on it.
I'd view the whole thing, but I'm at an age where I need all the brain cells I can get, watching anything (s)he might say would just kill off some cells that I might need down the road. But, thanks for the link.
UpNorth...I'm with you, pal.
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:08pm.
It took three separate 'viewing occasions' for me to get through it. I could handle only three or four minutes at a time.
Jer
Has she been spending time with Randi Rhodes??
Submitted by wizardjr on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 9:37am.
Sounds like Madcow's been practicing drunken face-plants with Rhodes. It tends to affect your ability to sort out reality from uphorian alterverse.
Maddow
Submitted by jessieH on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:51am.
Even with her blatant lies and moronic comments, they still can't boost the ratings at MSNBC.
Petreaus Will Make A Great CIA Director
Submitted by usaciaintel on Mon, 07/04/2011 - 10:54pm.
We need someone to live up to our values.
Especially since it's been stained by the Bush admin's torture policy with the CIA
Giving Petreaus' anti torture stance, he's good for the job
The only thing "stained' as a result of the Bush ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 3:37am.
administration was you liberal's drawers when you wet yourself because of your uncontrollable hatred for the man.
MD
Bush Legacy
Submitted by usaciaintel on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 2:32pm.
Bush gave a America alot of raw meat to deserve the displeasure.
Half the hatred put out at President Obama is a driven by Americans misinformed by made up stories put out by the Fox News Channel.
Crawling out of the woodwork eh?
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 2:45pm.
Did you think we've forgotten about YOUR past lies? Nope. So slink back into your hole you little troll.
Right Wing Land
Submitted by usaciaintel on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 4:38pm.
"YOUR" past lies?
What swift boating was used against Bush?
Ironically "swift boating" is a phrase to describe a false malicious campaign against a candidate. Which originated from the false attacks against Kerry's medals and war record.
usaciaintel---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 9:44pm.
You are a liberal, and you are a lying troll.
It does not matter that you believe the tripe you spew; maintaining your bias against FOX News requires lies on your part.
Lies, despite being used in support of an ideology, are still lies.
MD