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Wrong, Rachel - US Began Negotiating With Aide to Mullah Omar Before bin Laden's Death

By Jack Coleman | May 30, 2011 | 23:33

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Does anybody at MSNBC vet this stuff before it comes from Rachel Maddow?

Because much of it wouldn't pass muster at a halfway decent high school newspaper.

Case in point -- Maddow's blatantly inaccurate claim on her show Friday that US negotiations with Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar began after bin Laden's death. (video after page break).

As if holding forth before graduate students, Maddow backed into her premise with a long-winded spiel on how bin Laden was Omar's guest when 9/11 occurred -- and given the dictates of Pashtunwali, an Afghan honor code dating back centuries, Omar was morally obligated to defend bin Laden from any and all threats.

Because of Pashtunwali -- Maddow cited it six times -- "your hospitality to that person is an unbreakable thing. Your hospitality, your protection of someone you have taken in, is your honor, your family's honor, your tribe's honor, Pashtunwali. No matter what the threat is or where it's coming from or why, you will protect someone who is your guest from that threat, no matter the threat. On your honor."

But this obligation was nullified by bin Laden's death, according to Maddow --

Now Osama bin Laden no longer exists. The Taliban still do. And our war of course still does too. But get this -- the New York Times reports that Mullah Omar is now talking to the United States, negotiating. At least his aides are negotiating on his behalf. Pashtunwali. This could not have happened before because of his hospitality, because of his honor code ...

This could not have happened "before," Maddow said. As in, "before" bin Laden's death. Which is not what was reported in the source she cited, a May 26 story in the New York Times.

In a story headlined "U.S. Has Held Meetings With Aide to Taliban Leader, Officials Say," the Times reported --

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -- American officials have met with a senior aide to the fugitive Taliban leader Mullah Muhammad Omar, at least three times in recent months in the first direct exploratory peace talks, officials in the region said.

... Begun well before the killing of Osama bin Laden on May 2, the meetings represent a clear shift in the attitude of the Obama administration toward peace talks with the Taliban, first signaled by a speech in February by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, the Western officials said ...

Not surprisingly, Maddow doubled down on her claim, secure in the knowledge that few among her MSNBC colleagues or viewers would challenge her widely perceived wisdom --

Now that Osama bin Laden is dead, the barrier to Mullah Omar and the Taliban -- Mullah Omar, the leader of the Taliban -- the barrier to Mullah Omar and the Taliban talking to the United States is gone. Those negotiations are reportedly happening now. And those negotiations are how the war finally ends.

"Now" that bin Laden is dead -- which he wasn't months ago when the negotiations began. Is the timeline here too complicated for Maddow to follow?

For the second time in as many minutes, Maddow then cited a source to bolster her claim and the source again did exactly the opposite. This time it was a clip of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton talking about how many people would consider it "unimaginable" for the United States to negotiate with an enemy "as brutal as the Taliban" (The speech that was mentioned in the May 26 story in the NY Times). Clinton made these remarks on Feb. 18 -- back when bin Laden was still watching news of himself and other porn.

Maddow's third source, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, proved merciful, at least for Maddow. Not only did Reid avoid upending her shaky premise, he largely parroted what she said about the negotiations, though in language conspicuously couched --

Since bin Laden was killed, there's been some talk, we've learned that there have been secret negotiations, which are not secret anymore because you and I read about them in the paper, secret negotiations going on with the Taliban and other groups in Afghanistan. So, it's possible that war could wind down faster than people think.

Never one to let a segment end without uplifting rhetoric, Maddow said this in conclusion --

From what we know what's happening in Afghanistan and Pakistan and what is happening in our nation's capital, the signs are that we are now starting to finally bring to an end our nation's longest war ever. It may be that the less said about that the better, since maybe talking about this inevitably politicizes it and politicizing the ending of this war is probably the only thing that can keep it going on longer, but it is starting to finally come to an end now.

Finally, Maddow said something arguably true -- that "politicizing the ending of this war is probably the only thing that can keep it going on longer."

Then she really ought to stop politicizing it.

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Jack Coleman is a recovering former liberal journalist from Massachusetts. Click here to follow Jack Coleman on Twitter.
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"politicizing the ending..?"

Submitted by ant on Mon, 05/30/2011 - 11:37pm.

"politicizing the ending..?" What about the politicizing of the beginning and the middle?

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Maddow Don't Need No Stinkin' Vetter

Submitted by Chris Norman on Mon, 05/30/2011 - 11:45pm.

"Does anybody at MSNBC vet this stuff before it comes from Rachel Maddow?

Why would Maddow want anyone to "vet" her misinformation, misdirections, and deliberate misinterpretations before she goes on? She wouldn't have anything to say then.

Let's make the 2012 campaign: "The War on Error"
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Madcow

Submitted by Jerry Mack on Mon, 05/30/2011 - 11:54pm.

Once again the Madcow has moooed! But this time it seems that it came from the wrong end.

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Quick, douse the flame!

Submitted by Jack Coleman on Tue, 05/31/2011 - 12:05am.

A blast like that could get us all killed!

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msnbc vet stories...really?

Submitted by scarletandgold on Tue, 05/31/2011 - 1:45am.

the anti american media outlet known a msnbc is nothing more than a propaganda machine for the leftis and communist known as george soros...they want thier revolution over there and they will lie anyway they can to get it,,,hell has layed her egg and it hatched at msnbc

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Just wondering

Submitted by DontFeedTheTrolls on Tue, 05/31/2011 - 6:04am.

So when will Obama be signing the terms of surrender?

Americans keeping their own earnings is a Civil Right! Demand your Civil Rights!
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Stupid twit!

Submitted by Injest on Tue, 05/31/2011 - 6:18am.

Maddow said this in conclusion --
"From what we know what's happening in Afghanistan and Pakistan and what is happening in our nation's capital, the signs are that we are now starting to finally bring to an end our nation's longest war ever."

"our nation's longest war ever."

And she got that wrong as well!
Stupid twit!
Our longest war was The Revolutionary at 8 years.
For the USA, No declared "war" has existed since 1945!

As for "things like war", that would be the 10,000 day war AKA Vietnam!

The USA was active, as in "boots on the ground" 1963 thru 1975, or 12 years.
Longer if you include CIA operations!

1959 US Servicemen Killed in Guerilla Attack
1961 Vice President Johnson Tours Saigon:
Johnson assures Diem that he is crucial to US objectives in Vietnam and calls him "the Churchill of Asia."
1962 US Military Employs Agent Orange:     US Air Force begins using Agent Orange -- a defoliant that came in metal orange containers-to expose roads and trails used by Vietcong forces.

And so on.

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All I can say <again> is thank goodness no one watches this twit

Submitted by acaiguana on Tue, 05/31/2011 - 6:52am.

:-)

ACA

...

Quoted from: 'Acaiguana notes from the Underground' (Soon to be at theaters near you)

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That's a great title for a blog of its own:

Submitted by HockeyKid on Tue, 05/31/2011 - 7:17am.

"Wrong, Rachel"

There's certainly no lack of material.

"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me

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ROTFLOL...

Submitted by c5then on Tue, 05/31/2011 - 8:40am.

MSNBC in general and Rachel Maddow specifically checking facts and vetting their propaganda?????!!!!!

That is an absolute HOOT!!!!

 

Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it! 

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Maybe...... just maybe?

Submitted by desert3030 on Tue, 05/31/2011 - 10:45am.

She thinks, walks and talks (and has a bigger set) like someone else who shall remain nameless that it is like...2008?

Desert3030
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Jack, you asked, "Does

Submitted by Beukeboom on Tue, 05/31/2011 - 11:47am.

Jack, you asked, "Does anybody at MSNBC vet this stuff before it comes from Rachel Maddow?"

Two most plausible answers are:
a) No.
b) Yes, but Maddow ignores it.

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Vet and Maddow

Submitted by jpwcpa on Tue, 05/31/2011 - 1:09pm.

Whenever I see the word vet in the same sentence as the word Maddow, the word veterinarian always leaps to mind. Hmmmm, I wonder why that would be...

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The left doesn't let things

Submitted by Bhaal on Tue, 05/31/2011 - 3:45pm.

The left doesn't let things like facts get in the way of their stories. That would ruin the stories if they did that.

"For evil to triumph it is enough only that good men do nothing".
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