Rachel Maddow Seeks GOP 'Clarity' on Stim Plan, Only to Disparage When Provided

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Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Regardless of their actions on the stimulus plan, Republican governors are always wrong, at least according to MSNBC talk-show host Rachel Maddow.

The ardently earnest Maddow demonstrated this on consecutive nights this week, first on Tuesday when Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, a Republican, was one of her guests.

Maddow described how GOP governors are split on whether to accept money for their states from the stimulus plan. Some, such as Charlie Crist of Florida and Arnold Schwarzenegger of California, want the funding while others, including Sarah Palin of Alaska and Louisiana's Bobby Jindal, are "vociferously opposed to the stimulus bill," Maddow said.

"Which means, you know, that they're not going to take the money?" Maddow asked. "Well, not so fast there." Mississippi's Haley Barbour "will look at the plan and decide," Maddow said, while Gov. Mark Sanford of South Carolina is "looking at it as well and will decide based on the details," Jindal says he'll "review every program," and Rick Perry of Texas "will take a real close look at the package."

"In other words, they opposed the stimulus bill, but they will take the dough," Maddow said. "How does that work? Joining us now is the Republican governor of Minnesota, Tim Pawlenty" --

MADDOW: Gov. Pawlenty, it is very kind of you to make the time to be with us tonight. It's hard for us to get Republicans to be on the show and I'm really glad you've decided to come back to us.

PAWLENTY: I'm happy to be here and you're funny, Rachel.

MADDOW: Oh, thank you, it's nice of you to say.You have a roughly $5 billion dollar budget deficit in Minnesota. It's probably going to grow. But I know that you think the stimulus bill is a bad idea. So that means you're turning down the money, right, governor?

PAWLENTY: Well I have concerns about the bill. I think it could have been done better. I was in favor of a stimulus bill. I was disappointed in this one for a variety of reasons. But in Minnesota's case we're going to accept the money for this reason, Rachel. We pay in, for every dollar to the federal government, we get about 72 cents back. We're the 46th least-receiving state of any state in the nation in terms of federal money. So our view is, if you buy the pizza, it's OK if you have a slice. It doesn't mean you can't express concerns about the bill or offer suggestions of how it could have been better.

To which Maddow responded with her own analogy --

MADDOW: I think thinking about this as a pizza would get to the conclusion that you've ended up with, but I don't, my analogy is this. I pay my taxes to support my local police, but it doesn't mean that I would buy stuff from a crooked cop that was heisting stuff out of an evidence locker or something. If you were getting offered something that you think you shouldn't be offered, you shouldn't take it, should you?

PAWLENTY: Well I think the bill has some positive features in it. My view of it is this. The federal government is spending money they don't have. They're borrowing it in part from the Chinese. That's number one. Number two, it could have been a better targeted bill, a more impactful bill, probably for less money, that's number two. And number three, it was a missed opportunity because I think with some modest modifications it could have been truly bipartisan and lived up to that promise of President Obama. And so for those reasons I expressed concern about the bill. I think it could have been done better. So the answer isn't no, it's better.

And again, when you're paying the tab like Minnesota is, one of the major contributors, subsidizers of the federal government, I don't think it's untoward for us to accept our share of the money.

Maddow wasn't buying it and after more give and take with Pawlenty, she concluded the interview this way --

MADDOW: The day that a governor, Republican or Democrat, says I was against this and I'm not going to take the money, I can figure out a way to do it without it, that will be a truly watershed day for political clarity in this country. But in the meantime, your clear statement of your views is going to be the closest we get.

Yet as fate would have it, the "truly watershed day" occurred within 24 hours, as described by Maddow and New York Times columnist Frank Rich, her first guest on the following night. Once again, the subject was whether GOP governors will accept stimulus money --

MADDOW: The person who's on the ascendancy among Republican governors is seen to be Bobby Jindal, who we learned today is now considering turning down stimulus money that could generate 50,000 jobs in the state of Louisiana, on the basis of this political principle that the Republicans need to say no to economic stimulus. He's seen as the one who has a real future. Charlie Crist is seen as, you know, sort of over.

RICH: Right. And Bobby Jindal, who's really very unproven, very young and obviously in some ways a talented and very bright guy, but what is this stand he's taking in that state of all states, which has been suffering so much for years. To turn down the money, the cognitive dissonance politically in that, whatever the ideology behind it, just makes him look completely rigidly ideological.

MADDOW: Yeah.

Political clarity, meet cognitive dissonance.

Maddow and Rich get it backward -- they are the ones being "completely rigidly ideological" by criticizing Republican governors on the stimulus plan, regardless of what the governors do. And incidentally, Maddow wonders why Republicans have an apparent aversion to appearing on her show? Maybe it has something to do with her fondness for graphics such as the one titled, "The Two-Faced Strategy," which was used during the Pawlenty segment (note the absence of a question mark). This from a pundit whom liberals can't praise enough for her alleged civility.

That Jindal is seen on the left as a potential threat is clear from Maddow's description of him as "on the ascendancy among Republican governors," and Jindal can expect much more scrutiny as the 2012 campaign approaches. Among the events in his past we're likely to hear more about -- Jindal's participation in an exorcism while a student at Brown University, shortly after his conversion to Catholicism and in apparent violation of Catholic doctrine since permission was not first obtained from a local priest.

I can already hear Maddow's criticism -- couldn't Jindal have tried negotiating with Satan instead?


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You've gotta admit

Liberals are great at holding other people to standards they themselves have no intention of ever following.

The first thing I learned before becoming a Christian was that I was lowering the bar on an almost daily basis, so that no matter what I did, I could also pass and not be a "hypocrite".

The second thing I learned was that having a high standard, then falling short of that standard, was not hypocrisy, as long as I admitted my short-fall and was willing to try again - and give "the other person" the grace for their mistakes.

 

I have begged for years now

I have begged for years now that republicans ban together and refuse to go on msnbc.

...they are nothing but a free political message network 24/7 for the left...

Which once was illegal I thought...

Oh well, the left win again.

msDNC

I concur. What would be the consequences of denying msDNC interviews? I can't think of any that would detrimental. In fact, detrimental is what you get when you DO appear on that pathetic network.

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

Bolton/KEYES 2012 

Hi Rock... I say let them

Hi Rock...

I say let them boil in their own filthy stew and eat it...the repubs shouldn't contribute to the their stew, they will be boiled to death no matter what later.

Why do they not see they are just being used with the sound-bites and attacks they use against them later... Michelle Bachmann is a great example...although she ended up doing just fine with support and $$$ contributions later after Matthews did his best to defeat and destroy her...plus what 'Give 'em Hell Zell' did to Matthews, but those are few and far between...and msnbc still went after them because they had their noses out of joint...

If more repubs would fashion themselves after these two, not back down, call a spade a spade when on the show, no matter the talking head, then I would feel differently...but they don't!

That is the problem in my opinion.

CNN isn't far behind either. 

msDNC

I see no advantage in giving interviews to people on this network. So, why bother? 

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

Bolton/KEYES 2012 

bigtimer, While it is

bigtimer,

While it is true that MSNBC is little more then DNC-TV, Republicans should not boycot them. They should go on & be very combative with their hosts. "In your face" truth needs to be jammed down the throats of the people who watch MSNBC.

When John "Breck Girl/Silky Pony" Edwards led a boycott of FoxNews with leftist blogs like Kos, MoveOn, & HuffPost, it made them look weak. When the DNC killed off the debate that was to be hosted by FoxNews & the Cong.BlackCaucus, we saw who was calling the shots.

I have no respect for politicians who duck tough venues. Since today's politicians want to stage manage EVERYTHING, it makes them look limited. I did'nt like it that the McCain campaign would'nt let Palin do certain shows, like O'Reilly, Beck or talk radio shows. I did'nt like it when Obama had a list of "reporters" he was to call on, rather then a list of reporters. As much as I despise Chuck Schumer, Steny Hoyer, & Dick Durban, they show up with Chris Wallace on FoxNewsSunday regularly to promote their side of the issues. I respect that.

I also have no repsect for those hosts who never have people who disagree with their point of view. BathTubBoy has NEVER had  ANYONE on who has an opposing opinion in any major way on matters political. Comapired to O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck, or even Maddow, who do bring in someone from the other side, that is sorely needed to have political discourse. This is why Olby will never beat Bill-O, & that's a good thing. Since Bill Press has been pushing the "Fairness Doctrine" or some form of cencorship wearing the mask of "equal time", it reminds me of why Fox has killed CNN. Press used to be on "Crossfire", right & left both in the house. They gave up on that sort of balanced approach to issues, as did MSNBC, which is a big reason Fox crushes them in ever ratings book.

 

 

 "...it's still We The People, Right?"  Megadeth 

NO WAY...

bigtimer,

While it is true that MSNBC is little more then DNC-TV, Republicans should not boycot them. They should go on & be very combative with their hosts. "In your face" truth needs to be jammed down the throats of the people who watch MSNBC.

When John "Breck Girl/Silky Pony" Edwards led a boycott of FoxNews with leftist blogs like Kos, MoveOn, & HuffPost, it made them look weak. When the DNC killed off the debate that was to be hosted by FoxNews & the Cong.BlackCaucus, we saw who was calling the shots.

I have no respect for politicians who duck tough venues. Since today's politicians want to stage manage EVERYTHING, it makes them look limited. I did'nt like it that the McCain campaign would'nt let Palin do certain shows, like O'Reilly, Beck or talk radio shows. I did'nt like it when Obama had a list of "reporters" he was to call on, rather then a list of reporters. As much as I despise Chuck Schumer, Steny Hoyer, & Dick Durban, they show up with Chris Wallace on FoxNewsSunday regularly to promote their side of the issues. I respect that.

I also have no repsect for those hosts who never have people who disagree with their point of view. BathTubBoy has NEVER had  ANYONE on who has an opposing opinion in any major way on matters political. Comapired to O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck, or even Maddow, who do bring in someone from the other side, that is sorely needed to have political discourse. This is why Olby will never beat Bill-O, & that's a good thing. Since Bill Press has been pushing the "Fairness Doctrine" or some form of cencorship wearing the mask of "equal time", it reminds me of why Fox has killed CNN. Press used to be on "Crossfire", right & left both in the house. They gave up on that sort of balanced approach to issues, as did MSNBC, which is a big reason Fox crushes them in ever ratings book.

 

 

 "...it's still We The People, Right?"  Megadeth 

Logic blocks

If you begin the argument by saying that a Republican governor must not take the money unless he agrees with the package, then the answer is that we reject that premise.

Practical reality is that the federal government is going to take that money from Louisiana, whether the citizens get any of it back or not. At that point, Louisiana has to debate whether to something or nothing for their sacrifice.

As usual, Maddow starts with her own prejudiced premises, and tries to hammer through her argument. When opponents reject her premises, she brushes that aside and simply sticks to her conclusion.

Consider this: Maddow's argument might make sense if the governors were being asked to participate in the package from the start; that is, whether they were also being asked to contribute the money in the first place. In that case, sure, they would certainly decline the money being offered in return. But they aren't being given that choice. The federal government is going to take the money no matter what.

The question isn't whether the states are going to participate in the package - they've already been forced to do that. The only remaining question is whether they get anything back for their sacrifice, especially considering that if they refuse, Louisiana would be financing the recovery of other states, without any recovery for themselves.

Excellent points.One

Excellent points.

One other element that I hope is part of these governor's calculations is what strings are attached to this money. 

Certain Federal program funding may come with too much of a "gotcha" from Uncle Obama.  If those cases, the governor's have a fiduciary responsibility to their constituents to refuse that funding.

To borrow from MadCow's strained analogy, how smart is it to owe a favor to the crooked cop?

I wonder how many Governors

I wonder how many Governors would opt out of the stimulus IF the citizens of that state would not be taxed to pay for the stimulus plan.

Rush isn't a Prophet - but......

I'd like you to listen to another mp3 from the Rush Limbaugh show that I recorded over TWO YEARS ago.  This was in 06, just before the liberal left took over the house and senate.  In this clip, Rush discusses a plan from the left being tested in California to replace the current Gas Taxes with something called 'Tax by the Mile'.

http://home.comcast....

    The plan would tax people based on the number of miles they drive, regardless of their income.  If they drive more, they'd pay more tax.  The plan would require all auto owners to have GPS and several other items of equipment, which would let the government track you everywhere you go so they could tax you based on your miles driven.  Higher taxes would be given if you drive during rush hour traffic, and there would be higher taxes still if you had a 'heavier' vehicle like an SUV.

Bear in mind - this was over two years ago.  Now look at THIS - a current proposal by Obama's new secretary of transportation, Mr. Ray LaHood.

http://www.newsday.c...

The plan proposed by tax-happy liberals is almost EXACTLY what Rush said it would be.  

Rush Limbaugh is not a prophet.  But he knows big government tax-and-spend liberals.  He knows them so well he can predict what they're going to do and predict the crazy laws they try to force on us, even BEFORE they do it.  And they make him LOOK like a prophet by behaving exactly as he predicts, each and every time....

The story was updated after outrage from nearly all quarters, and Obama sent out his press secretary to say it isn't his intention to do this.

But here is another of Rush's profundities:  "Always remember.  EVERY statement this president makes has an expiration date."

Want some clarity?

Here's some clarity. This is a must-read for anyone wanting some facts and stats about the so-called "mortgage" crisis. Alan Reynolds of the Cato Inst provides some astonishing insight into where the true problems are -- and why it doesn't make a lick of sense to bail anyone out -- that's right, anyone. Read and enjoy.

___________________________________ 

The challenge is to follow a consistent plan despite inconsistent prices - Sarah Palin, State of the State of Alaska speech

Great article, thanks.

Great article, thanks.

It is not feasible for the

It is not feasible for the governors to reject the money.  As a resident of SC I will pay for this stimulus whether any of the money comes here or not.  I heard a commentator say that the governors should "return the money to the people" if they don't want it...and by "the people" meant Washington.  If the governor does not accept the money, I pay, get no benefit AND other states have even more that I am paying for.  There are not words in my vocabulary for the incompetence and corruption of our national government and media.

Sorry, Arnie...

..."Bot you cud not towtally pomp da collyfornya econnome op" *clap* Now, kick Maria out of bed and get the Liberal mindset out of your head, bucko.

Oh and let's lay fault on the lap of culpability...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aVUPM8QCatfs&refer=us 

Crist over... I can only

Crist over... I can only hope and pray. 

Palin/Jindal 2012

Well, obviously, since it is in the stimulus

 that the government can go around the governors to give money to the state, and regardless of whether they want the money, or not, with all the strings it entails, they will have to take at least a portion of it. After all, their constituents are going to be paying for other people's mistakes, so they might as well get some of the dole. I couldn't really concentrate on the clip, because I cannot believe anyone who acts so silly and childish, is actually on television, and supposedly a serious commentator. That and the fact that FRANK RICH is on there are a pundit. Frank Rich, are you kidding me???? What makes him such a great political pundit? All those years mincing around writing bad theatre reviews? Give me a farkin' break! Both of these people are just odious humans.

 

All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden?  P.J. O' Rourke

I think he could have said

I think he could have said it as simple as this. 

"Not every person living in my state is a Republican.  I represent all parties in my state and I would consider it political grandstanding to not accept the funds that may help some of those individuals in my state.  I was elected to protect all citizens in my state and not just those in my party."

Young and unproven?

RICH: Right. And Bobby Jindal, who's really very unproven, very young...

Very unproven and young?  Who does he think the NYT just helped get elected?

The Joke is on Mddow

I find it funny that the governer called Rachel Maddow a "joke", he said she was funny and she took it as a compliment. 

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you."