Former Guantanamo prison guard Brandon Neely's account of his experiences is "remarkable," Rachel Maddow told viewers of her MSNBC cable show Tuesday night before introducing Neely.
"And tonight, for the first time, in any broadcast interview, he is here, exclusively, to describe what he witnessed and what he personally took part in," Maddow said.
But after listening to Neely's claims, and seeing how Maddow conducted the interview, I wondered if others watching felt the same letdown -- this is an example of all the sturm and drang over Gitmo?
Let's start with the first of two incidents of alleged abuse described by Neely, who enlisted in the Army in June 2000 and was assigned guard duty at Guantanamo in January 2002 as detainees first arrived. Neely now heads the Houston chapter of Iraq Veterans Against the War.
Neely, whose account can be found in greater detail at the Guantanamo Testimonials Project at the UC Davis Center for the Study of Human Rights in the Americas, told Maddow he was assigned custody of the second detainee -- or as Maddow stated in characteristically loaded language, "the very second prisoner to get dumped off the bus."
Maddow asked Neely about a "physical incident" involving the detainee, an "older man" believed to be in his 50s --
NEELY: What happened was, we took custody of the man, the detainee. We took him through the in-processing station. When he came out through the other side of the tent, me and my escort partner grabbed him and we could tell at the time he was literally shaking. You could see his hands shaking. He was very tense, he didn't want to walk, so we started screaming at him to walk.
We made it over to Alpha Block and we put him in his cage and he was just real nervous, real tense. We put him on his knees, my partner took off his leg irons, threw the leg irons outside and he was still shaking real bad. He still had his goggles on. My partner went in with a key to take the handcuffs off and he moved away. We started yelling at him, don't move, don't move, and the interpreter was yelling at him not to move. And my partner went in again to take the handcuffs off and when he did the detainee moved real straight, real fast to the left and I was on the left side. And just out of reaction, I slammed him to the ground and got on top of him and he was trying to get up and the whole time he was trying to get up I was holding him down by the head. And a couple of seconds later I was pulled out of the cage by other soldiers that had came to help. They went ahead and hogtied him, which he stayed there, I really couldn't tell you how long. But next day we arrived to the camp, I was walking by and I could see on the side of his face he was all scraped up and bruised. And I later learned from another detainee, the reason that he moved, that he jerked away from us, was when we placed him on his knees, he thought we were going to execute him.
MADDOW: Did you witness other incidents of detainees being beaten up or punched, any other sort of physical abuse of prisoners there?
"Other" incidents of detainees "beaten up or punched"? How about starting with an example to begin with? I'm not sure if this "physical incident," as Maddow initially described it, qualifies. And is it just me or did Maddow seem deflated when she asked Neely for "other" examples?
Taking Neely at his word, and for the clarity of his memory seven years later, what appears to have happened is that he used force to restrain an uncooperative detainee who lunged toward him in a potentially hostile manner -- as the man's leg irons and handcuffs were being removed.
Neely also told Maddow that the following day, he noticed the detainee's face was "all scraped up and bruised." What's left unclear is how this happened, though this viewer wondered if the implication was that other guards abused the detainee. According to Neely's "testimony" for the Guantanamo Testimonials Project, however, "I am sure the initial hit to the pavement caused some if not all those marks."
The second incident is of a medic allegedly striking a detainee in the face for refusing to drink a nutritional supplement --
NEELY: And when the medic walked in, he looked up and he saw me and then he kind of motioned for me to move to my left a little bit. I didn't know what he was doing, so I went ahead and moved over. So they were holding him by the face and the medic opened up the Ensure (nutritional supplement) can and started pouring it in his mouth and he wasn't taking it, the whole Ensure, it was just running down his face. So the medic looked up and the medic struck him one time in the side of the face and they got out of the cage, put him back on the floor and they left. And I turned around and when I turned around the first thing I noticed was the guard tower was directedly behind me. So I automatically thought over time that, well, he had positioned me in front of that guard tower so they couldn't see what he was doing.
MADDOW: So it was the medic himself that punched the detainee in the face with you in the way so that it couldn't be seen from the guard tower.
NEELY: Correct.
There she goes again -- Neely, assuming his account is accurate, said the medic "struck (the detainee) one time in the side of the face." Maddow's interpretation? The medic "punched the detainee in the face." A distinction without a difference, some will say. Much like the difference between getting kicked by someone barefoot or wearing Army boots.
Notice also how Maddow takes Neely's conjecture about the medic wanting Neely to move -- to shield the medic from guard tower scrutiny -- and tries to establish it as fact, with Neely going along: "Correct."
The main problem with Neely's claims is that they undercut his premise of a climate of fear and rampant abuse at Guantanamo, and Maddow seems oblivious to this.
For example, how did other guards respond to the "physical incident" involving Neely and the older detainee? By pulling Neely off the man within "a couple of seconds" and separating him from an uncooperative detainee. This hardly suggests that a guard "beating up" a detainee, if that's what occurred here, was considered acceptable conduct.
Along the same lines, why would the medic ask Neely to move so as to shield his actions from a guard tower -- again, assuming Neely's account is accurate -- unless the medic believed that striking a detainee in the face was also deemed unacceptable?
If Neely's actions at Guantanamo were so flagrant, why is he working as a law enforcement officer in the Houston area, as reported Feb. 14 by the Associated Press? Maddow never asks, nor what Neely thinks would be appropriate punishment for himself and the medic.
That same AP story quoted a spokeswoman for the Guantanamo detention center, Navy Cmdr. Pauline Storum, said she could not comment on "what one individual may recall" from seven years earlier.
"Thousands of service members have honorably carried out their duties here in what is an arduous and scrutinized environment," Storum said.
What comes across most clearly in Maddow's segment with Neely is that she is less interested in a handful of alleged bad apples among thousands of our soldiers who've served with honor at Guantanamo as she is in bringing down the tree.





















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Ooh...the humanity.....
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 15:11 ET by notinstlThanks to Neely for his service. He should rest well, what he did was not abusive. Let's see what happens during his law enforcement career....to see if there's a pattern.
On another note, IF I'm ever granted 15 minutes of fame, I certainly hope I wouldn't have to waste a nanosecond on Maddow's, uh, er, mmm, show.
Does Rach know that her buddy Chris Matthews wants to waterboard Scooter Libby?
Iraqi veteran?
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 15:24 ET by ArcherBThis guy is in charge of the Houston chapter of Iraqi Vets Against the War. Was this guy ever in Iraq?
Next, on the "Ensure" incident... Was the prisoner struck in the face or was the medic simply wiping the extra Ensure off his chin?
"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary."
--Ernesto "Che" Guevara
I'm still giggling over the
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 15:25 ET by HockeyKidI'm still giggling over the comment I heard that Justin Timberlake was named Sexiest Man in the World by one of the gossip rags. Number Two? Rachel Maddow.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
HKid... ...ROFLMAO!
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 15:32 ET by bigtimerHKid...
...ROFLMAO!
Warning next time, please!
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 15:53 ET by thebutlerdiditI almost had a personal wee wee accident over that comment. I got the most bizarre picture in my head. Of course, ever since someone here brilliantly compared her to Fred Savage, I have that stuck forever, so the sexiest man thing, was too much.
This story, uhm, kind of a non-story? For some reason I am supposed to care about those people at Gitmo? And maybe Maddog can do a show on how kids are nearly killed every year across the country in hazings that people pay to send their kids to universities to have happen to them? Maybe ones where their entire heads wrapped in plastic wrap and nearly smothered, or tied up and tossed in swimming pools. Then I might care.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
Thanks a lot! Now I have
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 18:50 ET by SRPwrdThanks a lot! Now I have her/im and Fred Savage stuck in my head!
"two wars, a planet in peril, the worst financial crisis in a century" - PreBO
So when is Maddow going to
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 15:35 ET by motherbeltSo when is Maddow going to have on someone who will attest to their giving Muslims a copy of the Koran (which the Americans would only touch with gloves on, so as to not "defile" it), arrows on the floor pointing to Mecca, Halaal meals, a revised meal schedule during Ramadan....and other concessions to their faith and culture?
Oh, right...no one cares about that.....
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
She can't handle the truth
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 15:56 ET by SeftonMaddow's seen "A Few Good Men" a few too many times; thinks she's uncovering some major criminal act by our military.
Isn't that the standard by the liberal press though, degrade and criminalize our Armed Forces, accuse them of war crimes and demean the purpose and even having a military? Protest and march on recruiting stations and push for legislation to remove JROTC units from high schools? Call them all warmongers and disrespect their funeral services when they're brought home for burial?
Now she props up this guy and exaggerates his story to do the same, carrying on the discrediting the MSM has always done.
Anyone surprised?
Flashbacks
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 16:23 ET by CobraMan"We took him through the in-processing station. When he came out through the other side of the tent, me and my escort partner grabbed him and we could tell at the time he was literally shaking. You could see his hands shaking. He was very tense, he didn't want to walk, so we started screaming at him to walk."
Man, I'm beginning to have flashbacks to when I arrived at Basic Training. I remember the Drill Sergent SCREAMING at us all to "Get off MY bus" while grabbing the new recruits and THROWING them off the bus while another Drill Sargent started pushing us into line (Heel to Toe, Damn you!) as we entered the in-processing center at the base.
That was just before we all stood for THREE hours learning just how to stand at Attention, at Ease, and at Parade Rest while the Drill Sergeants amused themselves by continuing to scream at everyone. Let me tell, you, a LOT of new recruits were shaking by this point, myself included!It only got worse as the still SCREAMING Drill Sergeants shuttled us (still Heel to Toe, Damn it!) from one processing area to the next.By this time EVERYONE was shaking! If you didn't they all stood around you SCREAMING until you did shake.
But that was not nearly as bad as when several rather large and intimidating Drill Sergeants woke us up at 4:30 am (after two hours "sleep") by SCREAMING at us to "get you're asses out of bed!" and they started dumping anyone still remain in their bunks when they reached you (you don't want to be in the top bunk when THAT happens, let me tell you! That HURTS! My advice to any new recruit is: Don't pick the bunks by the door!). That was one hell of a walk-up call!
On Edit: Do you know why they do this? So you know, without any doubt, who is in charge!
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Well it seems the only abuse....
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 16:02 ET by superconthat Neely was a witness to was his own involvement.Did he turn himself in?
Because with a name like Obama... you know it has to be good.
Good point
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 16:18 ET by ckbennetttnDid he turn himself in?
No, he did what all liberals do internalize the guilt and try to make everyone else feel guilty. Maddow, Olby, and other libs always try to make us feel sorry for these Gitmo clowns, failing to understand why they're there. They want to kill us!!! I guarantee that if Neely uncuffed a guy who was arrested in a routine drug bust and the guy lunged suddenly, he'd put him to the ground too, and rightfully so.
People in volatile situations like soldiers and police officers, I'm willing to give some latitude, when hesitation could mean you're dead.
Obama: 'I screwed up'--We're going to be seeing this a lot.
Meanwhile at Gitmo, in Jan of 2002, Democratic Senators visited.
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 16:20 ET by Gary HallMeanwhile at Gitmo, in Jan of 2002, Democratic Senators visited.
Their findings?
Gitmo - nicer than CA prisons.
Maddow could have offered: However Mr. Neely, there are opposing views here - from leading Democrats:
Sen. Diane Feinstein, (D) CA, and Sen. Daniel Inouye, (D) HI visits Guantanamo Bay.
ABC World News Tonight , January 27, 2002 -- Senator DIANNE FEINSTEIN (D) CA: These are people; if you release them, they're going to go out and kill again.
Fox News, January 28, 2002 - Feinstein and the other senators told reporters after touring the camp that they agreed with the Bush administration's handling of the prisoners and saw nothing to suggest mistreatment.
[Daniel] Inouye, in fact, said they are being treated "in some ways better than we treat our people."
Feinstein said she once worked at a California prison and has visited many others around the world. To those abroad who have suggested the Guantanamo Bay prisoners have been treated improperly she said, "Take another look."
American Forces Press Service:
U.S. NAVAL BASE, GUANTANAMO BAY, CUBA, Jan. 27, 2002 -
All concurred that the detainees were being treated well. Feinstein said the detainees live better than inmates in some California prisons she's seen. Stevens and Inouye seemed to suggest that the detainees were getting better treatment than perhaps they deserved.
"This is not an egregious situation," said Feinstein, noting that the Guantanamo detainees are not being mistreated.
Hutchison said the Joint Task Force 160 troops are doing a good job providing religious materials and medical care to the detainees -- the same type of medical care available to U.S. troops and their family members, she noted.
Hey, if you can use it to
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 19:04 ET by SRPwrdHey, if you can use it to further your ends, who cares what you said?
"two wars, a planet in peril, the worst financial crisis in a century" - PEBO
SRPwrd..?
Fri, 02/20/2009 - 12:00 ET by Gary Hallsorry... did you say something? gary
I must say I am mystified as
Fri, 02/20/2009 - 14:56 ET by BDI must say I am mystified as to his meaning....
Let's see here...a
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 16:22 ET by athoughtor2Let's see here...a "detainee's" face hits concrete and the next day it looks scraped up and bruised. i would imagine so...ever see a knee hit concrete and look at it? but i guess the initial reraction from him was that he was scared $hitless. i wonder if he ever went to apologize to him for striking him?
But let's go back a little to the "detainee's" response to being put on his knees. I wonder where he got the notion of being executed from? Perhaps some of his "friends" executed people in that fashion. hmmmmmmmm
There are just too many doors open here to walk through and examine his testimony.
I worked for over ten years
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 16:29 ET by snaggletoothieI worked for over ten years in acute psychiatric units where we had to restrain psychotic and violent patients. On rare ocassions I saw worse than this guard describes. Maddow doesn't understand adrenaline. If you mix violence, fear, people and the resulting adrenaline as few incidents are inevitable.
I wonder if many of Maddow's regular viewers are angry about the bait and switch.
I worked for over ten years
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 16:32 ET by snaggletoothieI worked for over ten years in acute psychiatric units where we had to restrain psychotic and violent patients. On rare ocassions I saw worse than this guard describes. Maddow doesn't understand adrenaline. If you mix violence, fear, people and the resulting adrenaline as few incidents are inevitable.
I wonder if many of Maddow's regular viewers are angry about the bait and switch.
a shocking tale and a real investigative coup
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 16:33 ET by SickofLibsWow, this explosive, exclusive expose is Nobel prize material for sure.
The poor guy thought he was going to be executed - wherever would he get an idea like that?
And I guess Ensure is pretty much the same as battery acid in Maddow's book.
SoL
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 16:51 ET by sherylsimsI didn't read yours before I wrote mine. Now I will go look and see how many others I copied from unintentionally.
Hey Sheryl, thats S.O.P. for
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 17:47 ET by SickofLibsHey Sheryl, thats S.O.P. for me - I type about 8 words a minute and by the time I'm done, 20 other posts have magically appeared ahead of mine!
First of all, they didn't
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 16:49 ET by sherylsimsFirst of all, they didn't execute the first guy (I wonder why he might have been afraid they might...) and the second guy was getting ENSURE??? Those HORRIBLE HORRIBLE people! How DARE they keep alive and give nutrition to those poor freedom fighters! sheesh!
Maddow.
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 17:11 ET by Lord ErondEven with this little snippet, I can't watch the slut with the large ass.
And since they're so opposed, why don't we release the terrorists to stay at Rachel's house?
"What you can not enforce, do not command" -Sophocles-
With the deepest respect and appreciation to Veterans.
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 17:22 ET by Lord ErondBut I sincerely hate the ones who come back from having served and then go out and form "Stop the War" groups and "Out of <insert country here> now!" campaigns.
I don't think it's a secret from the day you join that military life will be hard as Cobraman's post attests. I also don't think you can kid yourself into thinking there isn't a possibility that you may have to fight and/or die for your country. Believe me, with several military friends and family members, I'm aware of some of the 'chickenshit' decisions and politics that goes on in the military on a day to day level. I'm sure it's frustrating as hell.
But DON'T come back to this country after soaking up the benefits that are accorded to the military and WHINE about how you had to honor your obligation when you KNEW the risks involved. Here's a hint. Soldiers fight wars with bullets and bombs. Don't want to be shot at or blown up or taken out with a mortar round? DON'T SERVE. You not only look like a big frigging whiner but you dishonor your comrades in arms who may not see it the way you do.
And I'm thankful to every Veteran, past and present who died so that I might be free.
"What you can not enforce, do not command" -Sophocles-
Hey Neely,
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 17:28 ET by Tom in NCI'm calling you out as lying, treasonous, SOB, you are a disgrace to your uniform and instead of being a guard at Gitmo you should have been an inmate.
That makes Two Of Us, Tom!
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 18:11 ET by TeddyHe "can't remember" why he was assigned to Charlie Block, but he sure a hell remembers why they asked him to stand in front of that guard tower! Right?
Down to the very last detail! Lying Bastard!
I also "wonder" why Butch Maddow didn't ask him about those famous Gitmo cocktails that the terrorists throw at our Marine Men and Women when they enter those so-called cages too?
Sure I do.
From the looks if it, they
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 18:30 ET by SickofLibsFrom the looks if it, they asked him to block the view from the tower because there were no humvees handy.
Good lord, I was
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 17:34 ET by BDGood lord, I was significantly worse treated by my friends in E Company when I was "Captured" by them during an FTX at Fort Hood in the 1980's.
Both examples were a feeble attempt at finding something- ANYTHING to claim mistreatment. By these standards DAYCARE is mistreating our children.
Which one is the guard?
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 17:47 ET by fishshakerWhich one is the guard?
LOL
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 17:51 ET by SickofLibsHint: NOT the manly looking one.
Unless they videotaped
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 18:06 ET by RR GOPUnless they videotaped taking a knife and cutting their heads off while they were still alive...I don't want to hear it.
And, if they had done that I would think that was entirely fair.
These guys aren't down there for skimming casinos or embezzling banks, nor even for dealing drugs.
They are down there because they spend every waking moment trying to figure out how to kill all of us.
One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
This sounds less exciting than an average
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 18:17 ET by JTPepisode of "Cops". No wife beater t-shirts, no drunk taunting the cop into a fight, no girl friend on the trailer porch yelling "I LOVE YOU" to her stud in the back seat of the cruiser.... Those guards down there have to be bored.
"I need more cowbell!" SNL
Drunk naked chicks!
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 19:34 ET by CobraManDon't forget the drunk chicks tearing off all their clothing and putting on an impromptu burlesque show in the middle of the street! Those were always my favorite.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities
of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
Maddow
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 21:17 ET by RightUniteI hope MSNBC takes that Mandroid off the air.... Please God!!
the subtle designs of his skill...Sophocles
I am confused. Which leftist hate America conspiracy is this?
Fri, 02/20/2009 - 06:36 ET by JWFIs this the one with all the pictures of the naked terrorists? Cuz that was my favorite.
More naked terrorist pictures please!
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.