Rachel Maddow Guest Ron Suskind Condemns Iraq as Allegedly Unique 'War of Choice'

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The only things certain in life are death and taxes, Franklin famously observed.

To which I'd add a third possibility, one qualifying at least for the status of near-certainty -- liberals condemning what they consider revisionist history, followed by them engaging in it.

It's gotten to the point that I can set my watch for examples of this, weeknights on MSNBC during "The Rachel Maddow Show."

On Tuesday's show, Maddow once again criticized what she perceives as President Bush and Vice President Cheney rewriting the rationale for the US-led invasion of Iraq. Helping Maddow along was author Ron Suskind, a Pulitzer Prize winner who has written three books on the Bush administration.

Here's where Suskind makes the most ludicrous claim about Iraq in recent memory --

What's interesting here is that when you look at the broad context, which is something we should be doing at the end of this presidency, we see first off we had the extraordinary instance of a war of choice, almost unheard of in American history, and a case where the choice itself was never offered to the American people, kind of compounding.

Almost unheard of in American history? I'm reminded of the theater owner in Seoul, South Korea years ago who thought "The Sound of Music" was too long. "He shortened it by cutting out all the songs," wrote Bruce Felton and Mark Fowler in "Felton & Fowler's Best, Worst and Most Unusual" (1975), for what they deemed the "Worst Editing of a Film."

Suskind's assertion qualifies for inclusion in an added chapter -- Worst Editing of American History. Agreed, Iraq as a war of choice is "almost unheard of" in our nation's history -- if you eliminate "almost" all the other wars.

The Persian Gulf War with Iraq, for example. The United States chose conflict with Iraq, as approved by Congress and as part of an international coalition, in response to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, not Kansas.

The Vietnam War? Waged by three presidents from both major parties who chose to respond to communist aggression in Southeast Asia.

Then there was the Korean War when President Harry Truman chose to counter North Korea's invasion of South Korea, an action that posed no direct threat to America.

How about World War I, which the United States belatedly entered in April 1917, not in response to the sinking of the passenger liner Lusitania nearly two years earlier, but based on choosing to protect American interests in Europe and the vague Wilsonian notion of making the world safe for democracy.  

Let's not forget the Spanish-American War, which President William McKinley and Congress chose to fight in response to the mysterious explosion that sank the battleship Maine in Havana harbor in February 1898, for which Spain was initially blamed. McKinley could have chosen negotiations, but instead went with his choice of war to rid the New World of Spain's lingering presence.

Come to think of it, the sovereign nation once known as the Confederacy did not invade the United States, at least not initially -- it seceded from it. Lincoln decided against following the Obamesque route of open-ended negotiations with his opponents and chose to wage war against the Confederate states, even though the Constitution did not address secession.

Which brings us to the Mexican-American War, which President James Polk and Congress chose to fight over disputed territory in Texas -- not any threat Mexico posed to the United States.

The War of 1812? Trade restrictions imposed by Great Britain and the Brits' nasty habit of forcing American sailors to serve in the Royal Navy compelled President James Madison and a closely divided Congress to choose war with Great Britain, which responded by burning down the White House and much of the capital. 

And finally, the American Revolution -- initiated by the Founders who chose to declare independence from Britain, a decision virtually certain to result in war, and did.

Two exceptions to the examples above -- World War II and the current conflict against al Qaeda and militant Islam.

As occurred during World War I, the United States was not among initial combatants in World War II and did not enter the fray until after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor in December 1941.

Even then, waging war in response was a choice made by Franklin Roosevelt and Congress, and with little hesitation. This is not to suggest the choice was made in error, since I believe it was legitimate. What I'm suggesting is that it was hardly the only choice. Roosevelt could have appealed to Japan, offered to withdraw US forces from the Philippines, Wake Island, Guam and Hawaii, and suggested that Europeans abandon their numerous colonies in Asia.

If Japan accepted, the result most likely would have been an emboldened Japan and tri-nation Axis that would have gotten to America eventually. But we can never know, because FDR and Congress chose otherwise.

Which leads me to the war on terror that the United States entered after 9/11, once again belatedly, after radical Islam's war on us began years earlier. Once again, we chose to fight, this time against al Qaeda, rather than agree to its demands -- ending the US military presence in Saudi Arabia, lifting UN sanctions against Iraq, abandoning Israel to the tender mercies of its neighbors. And al Qaeda's eventual demand, after we acquiesced to all the others, of ordering our daughters to stay home from school and never learn to read.

Apparently the concept of choice is one that liberals have difficulty grasping unless it pertains to abortion.


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Great points. The

Great points.

The defective liberal mindset can also be observed when we come across an idiotic bumper-sticker that says, "war never solved anything".

Nothing but the end of slavery, defeat of Hitler...

Wow - you sure shredded that

Wow - you sure shredded that idiotic assertion. Nice job.

Thanks, SickofLibs

It was an analysis I chose to write, and would wage again in an instant

Enjoyed your analysis.

I enjoyed your comments, and would add the following to your portion regarding FDR and WWII.  FDR took the initiative and made the CHOICE to invade a neutral country, specifically French North African colonies to gain a toe hold in the western portion of Africa.

This CHOICE cause US forces to engage and destroy previously neutral French colonial troops when US troops stormed ashore in Operation Torch.  For the first several days, there were no German Combat units ANYWHERE in the region and in fact, the heavy fighting that occurred was between US troops and the French.

The Germans in fact, much like the Liberals state regarding AQ in Iraq, were not IN the French colonies until long after we made the choice to stage Torch and invade. 

LIkewise, FDR made the CHOICE to engage Italian troops in the region who had not previously fired upon US troops - unlike Saddam who regularly engaged US aircraft for several years and even put bounties on the heads of US aircrews.  Bush even had the legal framework of a violated armistice on Saddams part to provide rationale. Something FDR never was required to have.

In short, Suskind is a hitorical illiterate.  BUt that will aparently not keep him from the TV circuit.

Excellent additions

Definitely appreciate the flesh out on the initiation of force by FDR in the African theater and our skirmishes with French and Italian troops, BD.  The point is also good about how we drew Hitler to us.

I would like to add another quick point that also pertains to the build-up to WWII and a parallel with Iraq.  Due to strict prohibitions against chemical and biological agents following the Treaty of Versailles, Hitler contracted with his apparent enemy Stalin to manufacture and store chemical weapons on Soviet territory.  Whether or not Saddam contracted with Russia to smuggle chemical and biological weapons out before the second Gulf War is a mystery, but Russian Colonel and former Prime Minister Yevegnii Primakov visited Iraq in December 2002 with a detachment of Spetsnaz troops.  Primakov is an expert on the Middle East, and an intelligence specialist on covert operations such as weapons smuggling. Furthermore, Hussein had contracted with Iran to store military aircraft during the first Gulf War, setting some precedent for the tactic of storing weapons out of country. 

The idea that Hussein unilaterally destroyed his chemical and biological weapons, refused to document it though he had incentives to do so, and obstructed inspectors from verifying it still doesn't completely fly.  The idea that he wanted to deter Iran is strong and well-documented but incomplete. There is enough circumstantial evidence to warrant some suspicion.  Hypothetically, even though we did not find any "goods" in Iraq, doesn't mean Hussein could not have had access to them. 

The problem lies in falsifiablity.  The claim that Hussein did not have "WMDs" is not falsifiable, both because you cannot prove that he had them and because he failed to document the dismantling of his CBRN program and the destruction of the already existing chemical and biological weapons in Iraq, shelf-life and feasability of employment notwithstanding.  The fact that Hussein used deception to hide WMDs from the first Gulf War that we found in the second war throws into doubt the liberals' claims that there were none there and that Hussein was not engaging in illicit activities such as seeking yellowcake in Niger (the Wilson report be damned, as it was in Senate Intelligence hearings). There is enough doubt that it is not an "open and shut case" that Hussein did not have WMDs or access to them.  If the media would have reported in a more even-handed manner, they would have brought enough nuance to bear that Americans would not wrongfully see the issue in black and white.

Responsibility is the price of freedom. - Elbert Hubbard

...add in Clinton and

...add in Clinton and Bosnia...Yugoslavia/Kosovo.

As always... when two lying leftist minds meet it's unreality time...La-La-Land with an agenda... these creatures never stop.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Good point about Bosnia and Kosovo

It crossed my mind to mention them and I probably should have.

Jack... I love your blog

Jack...

I love your blog posts...just thought I would throw those in because the Clinton Duo wasn't that long ago and the left loves to forget about this little fact when discussing the INVASION of Iraq...all of them, of all venues, msm, pols, print, so-called historians on television all the time...

It do get old...

They think we all out here are just brain-dead little lemmings.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Strange concept on the face of it

War of choice.  It's meaningless unless you define the choice.  Is it go to war or face certain national destruction?  Is it go to war or see communism take over southeast Asia?  Is it go to war or see a toothless dictator keep power in a strategically important area of the globe?

America, heck any human being as an individual with free will, always has a choice whether to pick up a gun and fight.  We're making a choice right now not to invade Mexico.

This is one of the major problems with television as a source of news.  They just don't have the time to look at a topic in depth, and so important stuff, like definition of terms, gets left out.

Lack of time issue

I think it is less a matter of a time issue than a lack of historical perspective.  It doesn't take all day to cover the background of a news story if you actually know the background.  Maybe news should actually be done by real journalists who know the basics of economics, politics and history rather the ranting activists or supermodels reading cue cards.

Responsibility is the price of freedom. - Elbert Hubbard

  They cannot allow this

  They cannot allow this war be cast in a positive light even though it's all but won.  So they want to convince people .. yeah we won but the cost was too high for a war that was unnecessary.  Of course they can't explain exactly what we'd be getting into about now if both Iran and Saddam's Iraq were arming themselves with nuclear weapons and ready for war.  

MidAm

Bingo!

We can't be allowed a success unless it is tarnished, this time by the supposed lack of necessity. With all the information currently available about Saddam's plans and interest in eventually damaging America. There can be no question that every top notch intelligence organization in the world thought he was bent on destruction of the West with the primary target as the US.

A byproduct of our invasion of Iraq was the normalizing of relations with Libyan leader Momar Khaddafy, who also had plans to damage US interests. Another byproduct was that the brakes were put on any thought by the Islamists that the US was week and wobbly. We'll see what the next 4 years bring.

The fact is that if you let the bullies take advantage of you, you are always in debt to their kindness.

"The fact is that if you

"The fact is that if you let the bullies take advantage of you, you are always in debt to their kindness. "

Which is why letting bullies operate unchecked is insanity.  By definition, bullies have no kindness.  That is why they are called bullies in the first place.  To place yourself at the mercy of such enemies is to accept the chains of slavery.  You will thereafter be obliged to do whatever the bullies demand of you.  The only escape is rebellion against the bullies.

thank you

thank you for this well written article.  It seems that some people will simply not be happy until we are sent under the World Bus.

Of course when those people say "we" they mean everyone else but them.  Because they, of course, would have never made these choices.  They think rolling over and playing dead somehow makes them less of a target.  These people don't have a grasp on human reality and cling so tightly to an ideal that somehow by sheer willpower human beings will stop being human.

"part of what I'm hoping to introduce as the next president is a new ethic of [government enforced] responsibility" - B. Obama

Appreciate your comment

And your observations, katainkent. It all stems from their refusal to see human nature as it is instead of as they'd prefer.

As Joseph Goebbells stated,

As Joseph Goebbells stated, a lie repeated often and with the air of authority will soon become the truth.  Hence why the liberals harp on the Iraq War as being bad for America.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you"

Concurring with Coleman's Analysis

I thank the author for his excellent analysis and ask his indulgence for my own rejoinder to Maddow and Suskind, which follows along the same lines.  I watched the video and formulated my own response, and then read the Coleman article.  I find that my analysis independently echoes and overlaps with much of Coleman's, which encourages me that the analysis is sound.

First of all, in United States history Vietnam was de facto a war of choice. World War II in the European and African theaters was a war of choice. World War I was a war of choice.  All of them were based on the disastrous consequences for national security of letting threats go unchecked in geostrategic regions.  The Iraq War's raison d'etre is the exact same.  The only difference was that we did not allow an urgent crisis to develop before acting.  Diplomacy failed time and time again, no doubt due partially to the way that many of our lecturers such as France, China and Russia undermined its effectiveness by engaging in the oil-for-fraud scandal.

Americans, with the help of the likes of Maddow and Suskind, will apparently draw the wrong lessons from a war yet again and will bridle at the thought of prosecuting a similar "war of choice" against a burgeoning nuclear Iran.  They will wait until there is smoldering ashes until they are motivated to move against evil powers in the world.

Second of all, the idea that Americans and the Congress were misled and drug into the war says something about the responsibility, intelligence and competence of the Congress.  The statements of Democrats in the House and Senate resoundingly concurred with the motion to go to war against Iraq.  Not only that, but their statements are internally consistent going back to the days of Clinton in 1998, when there was unanimous bi-partisan support for the Iraq Liberation Act.  The Act had as a major premise that it is a goal of United States foreign policy to promote regime change in Iraq.

Furthermore, the Congress unconstitutionally abrogated  their authority to declare war as stipulated in Article I: Section 8 of the United States Constitution.  Now the media and the Democrats are revising history to deny their responsibility for the war by pinning all the "blame" onto Bush.  The Iraq War Authorization bill was unconstitutional and should have been struck down by the Supreme Court, which is loathe to intervene in such matters of national security.  The post hoc animus towards the war is thus thrust onto Bush, since the lack of media discussion of the actions of the Congress seemingly release the Democratic party, and by extension, the American people, of accountability for the "war of choice."

It should also be stated unequivocally that it is in no small part attributable to the Iraq War that this country, and much of the West, has been safe from many major terrorist attacks for the last five years.  If you examine the record of terrorist incidents from 2003-2008 you will find that the great majority of terrorist attacks trend to cluster in Iraq and the incidents outside of Iraq diminish in scope and intensity.  There are anomalies to be sure, but the majority of terrorist incidents outside of Iraq and Afghanistan are commited by Marxist organizations, such as in Nepal, Tibet, and by FARC in Columbia, with some Islamic radicalism notably in Palestine, Bangladesh and Indonesia.  The West was struck in London and Madrid, but there have been precious few attacks in North America, and the majority of these were carried out by eco-terrorist groups like ELF.  The period of Bush's presidency saw fewer major terrorist attacks on U.S. soil since 9/11 than during the presidency of Bill Clinton. 

In addition, the successful wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have led to the killing and capture of at least 75% of al Qaeda leadeship (Enders and Sandler 2006).  The organization has fractured and splintered, and its capacity for big attacks against the United States, in the style of 9/11, has been greatly diminished.

Lastly, the War in Iraq can verifiably be pointed to as a major blow against al Qaeda; it simultaneously removed a cruel, inhumane tyranny in the heart of a geostrategically important region.  For America to learn the lessons of the past we need responsibility and balance in the media to tell the whole story. Facts and impartiality are the aids to cogent analysis, not animus and selectivity bias aimed at one side of the political spectrum.  

Indulgence granted

... And I find your analysis provocative and illuminating. It never ceases to amaze me when liberals make the hoary claim that taking the fight to al Qaeda and deposing Saddam have made us less safe -- all evidence to the contrary. This claim does appear to be losing steam, however, with every passing month that al Qaeda is prevented from pulling off another attack and conditions continue to improve in Iraq.

Liberals get it backwards -- it was treating al Qaeda like common criminals instead of a lethal threat that led to 9/11, and appeasing Saddam was no more successful than it had been against Hitler.

Thanks

Thanks for reading and responding to my post.  Have a Merry Christmas,  Kyle

Responsibility is the price of freedom. - Elbert Hubbard

I'm simply not impressed

I'm simply not impressed that an anti-war progressive like Ron Suskind would call Iraq a war of choice. All progressive/pacifists are against war from the get-go so. He has already demonstrated through his writings and statements that he is anti-war. So his "war of choice"  characterization  doesn't hold much weight. Would you ever expect him to condone a "war of choice" in any scenario? I seriously doubt it. It's kind of like asking Jesse Jackson about the necessity affirmative action -- you already know the answer you're gonna get before you ask it.

Possible war Suskind might support

A war against Pakistan led by Obama.  Democrats are always for the war we are not fighting.  And if you look at Democrat's track record in the twentieth century they have been way out in front of Republicans leading the charge to war, such as in the cases of WWI, WWII (the European theater), Korea and Vietnam.  The Iraq War is a minor skirmish compared to those wars in terms of precious lives lost (not duration).

Responsibility is the price of freedom. - Elbert Hubbard

I'm glad you mentioned that

Gen. Wesley Clark has even said that Clinton's war on Kosovo was "technically illegal." Clinton went to neither the Congress nor the UN for permission to go to Kosovo. China and Russia, permanent members of the UNSC, were adamantly opposed to NATO's role in Kosovo. Kosovo also took place just months after Clinton's preemptive strike in Iraq. According to the 9/11 Commission report, al Qaeda and bin Laden were planning the 9/11 attacks at the very same time that Clinton was involved with Iraq and Kosovo. And the moonbats say that Bush diverted attention from fighting al Qaeda!

We have gone into wars in our national interest

Every single one....except the Balkans, and Somalia. none of those held any interest, be it oil, commerce, communism, or bald aggression towards us. Funny thing is, leftists like Maddow fully support those - precisely becuase they don't have our interest at the core. We should go in as altruists, then we will be respected around the world. Except of course, when we get our nose slapped, then it isn't worth it to stay after all. That we look like a paper tiger? No big deal - we're nice, so it's okay. They feel we should go into every region that has a humanitarian crisis, but stay out of areas that have a direct impact on us - it's imperialism and selfishness, don't you know? We're just supporting the evil capitalist and commercial interests.

Iraq wasn't specifically necessary - we had something going on in Afghanistan at the time. BUT, once we decided to go in, it was ours to see through, no matter the reason. If we would have only felt the same way about Somalia, maybe it would have a stable government and no piracy. We let ourselves leave in shame, having no real imperative to being there. Now, there is no rule of law, and no prospect of it coming about. Unlike Iraq. Basically, we broke it, we bought it. We have to see it through - those (historically few) 4300 Americans who have died in that conflict deserve no less. Not to be minimized, our standing in the world requires a stable outcome. Remeber Vietnam? It took the first Gulf War for the international community to leave a measure of respect.

Remember, we are not "liked" around the world, but we are respected. That respect is only as good as our last promise. If we would have left Iraq in ruins, we would still not be liked, AND the loss of respect would lead us to even more problems down the road with ambitious countries like Iran, Russia and China.think it's bad now? Imagine if they have even less respect for us and our military capability.

Billy Jeff bombed the descendants of the heroic Chetniks...

...(who just happened to have rescued and fed a large number of our downed pilots in WW II, often at the expense of food for their own families) in what only can be described as a "War of Choice."

Where was Rachel, Ron and the rest of the MSM hand-wringing cry-babies then?

These idiot people make me want to puke.

-Dave

This nation is about to be brutally raped by the socialists, and the MSM will be a willing participant.

I know conservatives dont read a ton

but yall should check Suskind's books out.  They are fantastic...and he is no libral (he was a journalist for the Wall Street Journal).  You will learn why the majority of americans have grown weary of the Bush administration.  Reading is Fun!!!

Hey criticalt... Why

Hey criticalt...

Why should we bother doing something silly like reading...we'll wait for you to do it for us and report back to us.

After-all, trolls have to be good for something.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Uh, critical non-thinker,

I'd be willing to wager that I probably read more books in a year than you read in ten.

And I read books such as The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich and The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire just for fun.  

I burned through Shelby Foote's three volume Narrative of the Civil War in less than three weeks. I also read General James Longstreet's memoir in five days, while working two 10 hour days in the process.

I put away Cornelius Ryan's The Longest Day over a weekend, while managing to get in two rounds of golf and a seriously fun evening out on the town..

I suggest you get a little better feel for the people you are dealing with on this site, you insulting, government educated, insipid little troll, else your existence here is going to be right miserable.

BTW-What do you peruse for fun, The Utne Reader? Fun With Dick and Jane? The Rainbow Fish? Earth in the Lurch, I mean, Balance?

-Dave

This nation is about to be brutally raped by the socialists, and the MSM will be a willing participant.

Oh yeah, Dave...

Oh yeah, Dave... well, I simultaneously read War and Peace with my left eye and The Arms of Krupp with my right and listened to the entirety of Churchill's The Second World War on cassette, all while rebuilding the transmission on my '91 Miata last weekend.  This weekend I'm planning to cure cancer. :-)

Actually, I too was burning through Foote's Civil War trilogy faster than Sherman burned through Atlanta, but I slowed down in the third volume because I already knew the ending and wasn't sure I could handle the pain.

Jer

oh yeah Jer?

I read the whole Bible in one afternoon while decorating a wedding cake, helping my sister do her taxes, watching the Superbowl, and explaining fractions to my neice.

Seriously, I have a huge appetite for books and have forgotten more than what many people know. 

Libs like criticalthinker here give the rest of you a bad name. ;-) 

 

I'm a typical white person.

A little different take, candance...

Libs like criticalthinker here give the rest of you a bad name

There are a [fortunately] few cons here who give you and other thoughtful conservatives a good name.

Jer

Jer,

ROFL!

Made my night with that one.  :-)

And should I not get another chance between now and then, I want to wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas and a hell of a terrific New Year!

And good luck with the Miata.

-Dave

Merry Christmas everybody!

Backatcha, buddy...

want to wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas and a hell of a terrific New Year!

It's gotta be better than '08!

And good luck with the Miata.

I need luck--and a good spare parts store.

Jer

The definition of uneducated

The definition of uneducated is not "everyone who disagrees with a lib."  I am doing research on the causes of wars, and it looks like pretty much everyone who has posted a comment on this article has their bags intellectually packed, except for you my friend, who led with an intellectual fallacy right off the bat known as a "red herring" - basically, the behavior of a troll.

Argue the points.  Was Iraq a war of choice?  If so, was this so-called "war of choice" similar or different from other wars in U.S. history? And were the American people drug into the war based on lies?  If so, what were the actions of Congress and did they fulfill their proper role in a Constitutional Republic (which we nominally are)?  What is the nature of intelligence?  Is it always black and white?  Was the war just for humanitarian reasons if not for any others?  If not, why was the intervention in Yugoslavia just for humanitarian reasons?  Was it just a matter of scale?  Is moral right and wrong determined by the level of pain and sacrifice needed to adhere to a certain course of action?  Intellectual consistency is what makes a person rational.  Partisan bickering without justification makes you a party hack, a marionette of the Democrats.  Please explain your take and make it germane.

Politically Confused

Not all "reporters" for the Wall Street Journal are conservative or even libertarian. Just like some conservatives write for the New York Times (Ben Stein). He has not been a reporter for the Journal since 2000. So please stop with the spin.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

Reading is fun -- and listening can be illuminating

I have read one of Suskind's books, criticalthinking, "The One Percent Doctrine," and I agree with the formulation that forms the basis for the title. If anything, one percent is probably too conservative an estimate.

That Suskind used to work for the WSJ is hardly proof he's not a liberal. His words give him away, especially when he makes a ludicrous claim like the one criticized here. Do you agree with what he said about Iraq as a war of choice being "almost unheard of" in American history?

A little help to start your research

"Once again, we chose to fight, this time against al Qaeda, rather than agree to its demands."

Once you take a crack at the joyous art of reading, you will quickly learn that the war in Iraq, to which Suskind refers, has nothing to do with the war against Islamic extremism.  Somestimes I wonder if you folks realize that, while he was a muslim, Saddam was not an Islamic extremit...he did not rule Iraq based on some aggagerated reading of Sharia (look this word up).  (Imagining dumbfounded faces)  You dont realize this, do you.  OOHHHH.....just wait till you get to chapter ten and learn that Al queda wasnt in Iraq until after Saddam.... 

 

Screw it. This mindless moron isn't worth the effort.

My father always said that ignorance is bliss. As such, you must be the happiest bloke on Earth.

-Dave

And as BD pointed out

The Nazis didn't start pouring into North Africa until we were there.  Looks like someone doesn't know how to read.  Stop pretending like you know something about history because every day's a new day for you assinine libs. You threw in the definitive RED herring.  Even if they weren't there you provide the quotes by the Bush administration that says they were.  Huh...where are you going?  I was going to make espresso...

Responsibility is the price of freedom. - Elbert Hubbard

crit... Read. "America

crit...

Read.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

wow critical

Color me intimidated by the presence of someone who knows what Sharia means! Do you work for the UN? With that many smarts, you oughta be!

*imagining look of annoyance*

Shall we talk about Saddam offering bounties to suicide bombers in Israel and the fact that American citizens were killed in some of the incidents?

Shall we talk about Saddam offering diplomatic protection to known Islamic operatives who escaped Italy, Palestine, and the Phillipines?

Maybe we can talk about Saddam giving aid to Abdul Rahman Yasin (look this name up).

*imagining face that now blushes with further annoyance*

One does not have to rule a nation on some aggagerated (whatever that means) reading of Sharia to be a part of the war on terror.

You may go now.

 

 

I'm a typical white person.

hey candance, who put the bug

 in your bonnet? :-)  you've been doing some troll stompin' the last couple days.  thanks for the show!

"Here comes the orator! With his flood of words, and his drop of reason"  Ben Franklin

Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left

I really must give critical all the credit

He teed this one up so well I couldn't resist. 

 

I'm a typical white person.

can-can

 not to mention that the administration made the case against Sadaam, the Clinton administration.

My that tricky Bush putting his lies in their mouths before he was elected!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5p-qIq32m8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i87cZ3Og6ts&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFUdBzS--J0&feature=related       

----- Radical  Liberal

Thanks, cd.

LOL-You put it much more politely than I was going to.  :-)

-Dave

This nation is about to be brutally raped by the socialists, and the MSM will be a willing participant.

See alleged criticalthinker run

Which is about what you'd expect, considering the context. Why the Rahm Emanualesque evasion when faced with awkward questions, would-be criticalthinker? Suskind claimed Iraq as "a war of choice" was "almost unheard of" in American history. Do you agree?

Lies, Straw men, Lies, Trolls, Lies, Liberals, Lies.

   Don't come here with your lies, spin, and bias, don't come to a site that exposes liberal bias, and spread your propaganda.

   We are not here to reargue the justification for entering a war that -

  A. We have nearly won.

  B. We started despite your whining, pouting, crying, and spinning.

  C. Needed no justification. We were already at war with Iraq. There was no peace treaty, only an armistice that S. Hussein broke repeatedly. 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Critical thinking. Please

Critical thinking.

Please tell me what you view as the strategic Center of gravity to our enemy in the current Global War on Terror.

Perhaps you can find it in a book, though likely not a book written by a liberal since they tend to focus on the emotion of events rather than the analytical thought of them.

When you provide your assessment, I will then provide you mine and show you why i think our actions in Iraq are key to this effort.

BD

Once YOU practice the art of polite disagreement, we'll talk.

You know what ASSuming something makes you look like, right? ASSuming something about a person or group is a sign of unthinking, uncritical behavior. Open your mind much?

 The incredible cloud of smug around you is choking off all rational thought.

the verdict is in

A review of critical's entire three-week career on NB shows a pattern of showing up in a thread, dropping a turd, and running away before anyone notices. I haven't been able to find a single incident where he made two comments in the same thread.

Thus I recommend he be ignored from here on out.  

 

I'm a typical white person.

Liberals always seem to

Liberals always seem to forget, or maybe ignore, the fact that Iraq broke the ceasefire agreement, fired on coalition aircraft over one hundred times, and defied UN resolutions.  

If you had any knowledge of military affairs you would know that potential enemy sanctuaries, strongholds and supply areas are as much targets as the enemy's homeland. Iraq was a supporter of terrorism.

And Iraq did have contacts with al-Qaeda prior to 9/11. Zarqawi was given refuge and medical treatment in Iraq after he lost his leg.

Why do liberals always accept without question any outrageous claim made by known terrorists and disbelieve anything said by any US leader?

Oh, BTW, Mr Military Historian, perhaps you can enlighten us all as to why FDR, after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, chose to send US troops into North Africa against the Germans instead of a direct invasion of Japan?

I mean, if you don't go right up to the enemy's front door, by your logic, then your cause is somehow illegitimate. 

LIBERALS LIE, ALL THE TIME, ABOUT EVERYTHING.

Missed a few.

   We had to go in to Cuba repeatedly after the Spanish-American war because we failed to stay and leave something better behind.

  Don't forget Panama, Haiti, and Grenada.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.