Alas, lamented lefty pundit Rachel Maddow of Air America Radio and MSNBC, President-elect Obama may pursue a 9/11 commission-type inquiry into alleged crimes of the Bush administration instead of full-blown show trials.
Maddow also demonstrated her odd predilection toward condemning Bush officials as guilty who've yet been charged with anything, much less convicted, while wringing her hands over the fate of horribly misunderstood terrorists such as Salim Hamdan, bin Laden's "driver."
Here's what Maddow said on her radio show Monday, initially referring to the death of a high-level al Qaeda operative in Pakistan --
And hey, remember the other war? No, no, no, not the other war, the other-other war, the one that we're supposedly not fighting in Pakistan? On Saturday the US military announced that another unarmed, uh, unmanned drone attack killed the guy who you can blame for having to carry three-ounce bottles of liquid only on, in your carry-on luggage, the guy who was implicated in the supposed transatlantic airliner plot.
Got that? For the "supposed" plot in August 2006. "Supposed" in the sense that, heck, for all we know, it was just another ruse cooked up in Crawford to keep us crouched in fear.
Minutes later, Maddow referred to "criminal" behavior of Bush officials --
One question that I have been thinking about and increasingly worrying about with the new administration is the question of what can be done about the established precedents from the Bush administration of criminal behavior by the government. This has come to the fore in the first instance in the case of torture and illegal detention and interrogation practices. Should the Obama administration prosecute members of the Bush administration for that, because there is an important legal implication to whether or not those precedents are allowed to stand. Is that politically possible? Is it a moral or legal imperative? And what do they see as their options heading forward? And how can I make them do more than they might otherwise want to do? (laughing at end, bizarrely given context)
One of Maddow's guests that day, Newsweek reporter Michael Isikoff, proceeded to undercut her assertion by pointing out that these are allegations, not indisputable fact. Isikoff told Maddow of Obama leaning toward a 9/11-commission approach rather than criminal prosecution but if the latter should occur, it may result from what Obama officials find in records and documents from the preceding administration --
Their judgments based on, you know, those reports and what's in the files, may be that there's grounds to launch a criminal investigation. It's hard to say without knowing exactly, none of this has ever been made public, we can only surmise what's in them.
Maddow's tendency to dismiss the actions of al Qaeda terrorists as inconsequential was on egregious display in August after Hamdan was tried by military commission (Hamdan was reportedly transferred from Guantanamo Bay on Wednesday to serve out the remainder of his sentence in Yemen).
On Aug. 6, Maddow spoke with Jonathan Mahler, author of "The Challenge: Hamdan v. Rumsfeld and the Fight Over Presidential Power," over Hamdan being convicted of providing material support to terrorists but not on more serious counts of conspiracy --
MADDOW: I felt like there was a lot of sort of loosy-goosy hinting today in the coverage about the fact that he had these missiles in his vehicle when he was actually apprehended by US forces. As far as I understand it, he wasn't convicted of anything that had anything to do with those missiles. He was convicted of this material support for terrorism charge.
MAHLER: That's right, that's right. He was, in fact, captured with two surface-to-air missiles in the trunk of his car. He had basically, what had happened is, he had just left his wife and daughter, his wife was actually eight months pregnant at the time, and he had left his wife and daughter at the border of Pakistan. They were basically fleeing, fleeing the al Qaeda compound and he was captured then sort of on his way back into Afghanistan with these two missiles in his car. But, they were not really part of the conviction. I think the defense argued that there was a civil war going on in Afghanistan at the time and you can't say that he was going to be using these missiles against US forces. What he was ...
MADDOW (interrupting): Although it should be noted, it's not like the Northern Alliance or the Taliban had an awesome air force, if they really were surface-to-air missiles.
MAHLER (laughing): Good point, Rachel, good point!
MADDOW: Unless we're talking magic carpets here! (laughs) Yeah, all right, carry on. (Yes -- "carry on")
MAHLER: But what he was, what he was convicted of was material support, so basically what he was convicted of was driving bin Laden around in the aftermath, in particular of say, the 1998 embassy bombings in east Africa, the US embassies were bombed in east Africa by al Qaeda in 1998. And as bin Laden's driver, Hamdan presumably helped him elude capture in the wake of those attacks.
MADDOW: So literally what he was convicted of was not quitting his job.
MAHLER (laughs after a pause): That's one way of looking at it, certainly.
MADDOW: I mean, not that they're saying that there was anything criminal about his driving.
MAHLER: They, what they did is, they convicted a driver of driving.
MADDOW: Yeah! (both laugh)
To borrow from Mahler, "that's one way of looking at it, certainly." A less unhinged way of looking at it is that Hamdan was convicted of aiding and abetting the worst terrorist in the world as bin Laden plotted to slaughter thousands of Americans on Sept. 11, 2001.
As Mahler pointed out to Maddow, Hamdan "presumably" helped bin Laden evade capture after the embassy bombing in 1998, thereby allowing bin Laden to prepare for the 9/11 onslaught.
Further, Hamdan abandoned his pregnant wife and their child at the border with Pakistan -- what a guy! -- after war began in Afghanistan in October 2001 and was captured heading back into Afghanistan with two surface-to-air missiles in his vehicle. Apparently Hamdan was eager to return to that awesome chauffering gig with bin Laden, employment he was incapable of performing unless in possession of advanced weaponry.
As Maddow stated in a fleeting moment of candor, "it's not like the Northern Alliance or the Taliban had an awesome air force." Then why would Hamdan need the missiles -- to stave off road rage?
Maddow is fond of referring to herself as a "national security liberal." That she is, and then some.





















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If Maddow is so concerned
Fri, 11/28/2008 - 19:04 ET by motherbeltIf Maddow is so concerned about what happens to these poor "innocent scholars and philanthropists," she should read this week's column by Ann Coulter.
Great link, MB. While I
Fri, 11/28/2008 - 19:37 ET by ThisnThatGreat link, MB. While I can't understand why these terrorist symphasizers think like they do, I know one thing for certain -- they all hate America with a passion, and as far as I'm concerned, they don't deserve to be recognized by any of us.
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Thanks mb... Excellent
Fri, 11/28/2008 - 19:55 ET by bigtimerThanks mb...
Excellent article from Ann...once again, she has a gift with her way with words, right to the point, with biting humor to-boot, even though what she writes about can be so maddening...she sure speaks for me.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
I have to admit, I was
Fri, 11/28/2008 - 21:35 ET by motherbeltI have to admit, I was stunned to read that.
I was under the impression that if we were good to the prisoners at Guantanmo, the terrorists would stop attacking us, and would be nice!
So what do you think are the chances of them treating anyone they capture as well? Do you suppose they were careful to supply kosher meals for Daniel Pearl?
rosie and rachel
Fri, 11/28/2008 - 19:06 ET by boozysounds to me like Rose O and Rachel Anti American need to team up and do a "family special" together...sounds like they have a LOT in common...if ya know what I mean...guaranteed to be watched by 38 percent of San Francisco and 23 percent of Los Angeles.....
Maddow is fond of referring
Fri, 11/28/2008 - 19:28 ET by bigtimerMaddow is fond of referring to herself as a "national security liberal." That she is, and then some.
What more can I add to your great blog post Jack...
You summed it all up perfectly, snug as a bug in a rug.
Btw...I did love the road rage reference...lol.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Rachel Maddow is a traitorous wench...
Fri, 11/28/2008 - 19:52 ET by R D Helm...and believe me when I tell you, that is the kindest way I could put it.
I have a better idea. Why don't we put Billy Jeff on trial for dereliction of duty. After all, it was he who was much too busy playing "hide the cigar" with a mindless idiot White House intern to be bothered with trifling little details such as defending the country he was elected president of from the five attacks Osama's camel-washers carried out against us during his tenure.
And what of Jihad Jimmy? After all, it was he who wussed out against the Islamic horde in the first place, which caused a resurgence in a 1400 year-old conflict that had been, with the exception of WW I, fairly quiet during the 20th Century.
How many thousands of innocent people the world over have been killed by the Islamists due to Jimmy Carter's inherent weakness?
-Dave
When in doubt, always side with freedom, as it sure beats the hell out of the alternative.
Why Dave...how can that
Fri, 11/28/2008 - 20:08 ET by bigtimerWhy Dave...how can that be...why Jihad Jimmah was given The Nobel Peace Prize.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Brain dead liberals..
Fri, 11/28/2008 - 20:21 ET by ScrapironEvery time a brain dead liberal opens they're mouth they prove why Liberal radio can't compete. I think every American should file a lawsuit against the democrats and anti-american media for assisting the terrorists for the past 8 years, or they should be tired and a death sentence imposed. They, democrats, have killed 4,000+ of the Americans lost since 9-11-01 the same as if they shot them in the head themselves.
Old, Retired and glad of it.
Srapiron... Amen
Fri, 11/28/2008 - 20:48 ET by bigtimerSrapiron...
Amen brother...Amen!
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Is anyone surprised that
Fri, 11/28/2008 - 21:24 ET by nicksmith112Is anyone surprised that MSNBC is NOT covering the TERRORISM in India?????
Krazy Kieth must be crying in his bathtub. TERROR that can't be blamed on the USA.
I'm a refugee from the Democratic Party.
Concur with that. Dr Devil
Fri, 11/28/2008 - 21:35 ET by BDConcur with that. Dr Devil Dog is also probably doing backflips to try and blame the Mumbai attacks on GWB.
Krazy Kieth begrudgingly
Fri, 11/28/2008 - 23:25 ET by nicksmith112Krazy Kieth begrudgingly gave coverage to the mumbai terrorism. Though not worthy to be the lead story on Wednesday. But he did warn the GOP NOT to use this terrorism in their fear campaign.
The loony left on CNN and Msnbc initially downplayed this as some disenfranchised unsophisticated misfits...in other words...we drive the poor kids to do this.
I'm sure we will find out these as middle class college educated dudes.
Thank GOD we have the Patriot Act!
I'm a refugee from the Democratic Party.
Rachel Maddow = Ugliest Woman on TV
Fri, 11/28/2008 - 21:54 ET by PopularTechI honestly cannot watch the TV when she is on, I find it so hard to look at her. I wonder if she is Dutch because I know they have quite a few dikes over there.
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PT, Rachel Maddow is the
Fri, 11/28/2008 - 23:34 ET by Trix RabbitPT,
Rachel Maddow is the "Ugliest Woman on TV"? I would say that "she" ranks right up there with Queef, Bill Maher, and Bob Schieffer as one of the UGLIEST men on TV.
Liberal: a power worshipper without power. George Orwell
PT
Fri, 11/28/2008 - 23:54 ET by DC2280Attacks on Maddow's appearance lack substance. Better to critique the content of her program.
DC... True...which most
Sat, 11/29/2008 - 01:08 ET by bigtimerDC...
True...which most of us do the majority of the time here anyway, including from everything I have ever seen from PT, (which he certainly doesn't need me defending him here), but what the heck, it wasn't that bad, plus we all need to let loose with a little humor once in awhile here, even if it is at our own-selves.
Know what I mean? ;-)
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Air America is still on the Air?
Sat, 11/29/2008 - 00:10 ET by CapeCodScottAd hominem arguments aside, She does not get it, if these terrorists had their way, she would be the first to go...Useful Idiots. National Security Liberals... Your last "name" says the most about you...still a LIBERAL.
www.ScottOnCapeCod.com
"Most men lead lives of quiet desperation"... until they get fed-up enough to finally say something about it!
Agreed
Sat, 11/29/2008 - 06:30 ET by TheHistorianAir America will always be on the air as long as their are children's charities for them to rob to support their programming. And when they go, NPR is full well ready to take over for them.
The last attack (9/11) was on NYC as well as the Pentagon and some cornfield in PA (aimed at the White House or Capitol)? All of these are bastions of liberal thought now, so do you think they are safe? I read that Al Quida has targeted the NYC subway now. You libs must live the charmed life, for your friends to hate you so.
I will sit here, in my mid-Ohio home, and try to protect you. However, the way you keep dismantling defense and making a joke of homeland security it it getting pretty difficult. Have a good life, albeit a short one! And remember, if Bush were the problem, why did they attack three of our targets when Bill the Magnificient was President?
"What experience and history teach is
this - that people and governments never have learned anything from history,
or acted on principles deduced from it."
G. W. F. Hegel
Rosie Is Ugliest
Sat, 11/29/2008 - 00:40 ET by BW222As long as Rosie is around, it's impossible for any woman (even Maddow) to ne the ugliest woman on TV.
BW222
Rosie
Sat, 11/29/2008 - 02:13 ET by DC2280Don't like Rosie's politics or her show, fine but when you attack her her appearance it is childish and irrelevent.
DC22... Okay, fine and
Sat, 11/29/2008 - 02:29 ET by bigtimerDC22...
Okay, fine and dandy...we will all be good little boys and girls and follow your way of life 24/7....(I posted to you above about this, but you seemed to be obsessed with this subject)...how dare us be normal around her and have some humor about looks, gestures now and then, after all the left in the msm never does that against any of us with 'R's after our names now do they, heck, just ask President Bush, darn, last I heard he was still President...maybe I have that wrong too.
Give your criticism a rest...some of us appreciate the humor after a two year hell-hole with the msm and all else involved in this agenda driven Coronation of the O.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
DC22
Sat, 11/29/2008 - 09:19 ET by ahusserWhat are you the ad hominem attack fairy? Just lurk around the blogs awaiting the ad hominem attack so you can tell us how to behave. Sheesh! Go away.
Change: When the winds of change blow hard enough, the most trivial of things can become deadly projectiles.
Okay, fine and
Sat, 11/29/2008 - 15:17 ET by DC2280Humor about a persons appearance is something that most thinking adults left behind at the end of junior high. It diminishes those who participate in it and their more admirable qualities and opinions, whether it comes from the left or right or whoever it is directed at.
DC2280 your self-righteous lecture is off base.
Sun, 11/30/2008 - 22:08 ET by CTRosie and the Mancow's amorphous appearance are of their own choosing and reflect their personalities. They are negative, less than empty people pushing their view on the world. We have the right to push back and that is what this forum does, so don't lecture us here it is not appreciated.
childish and irrelevent
Sat, 11/29/2008 - 08:02 ET by nuclearnavymomEven if it's true?
I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.
I think these show trials
Sat, 11/29/2008 - 00:46 ET by NL207I think these show trials are a great idea.
If the Liberals wanted to end their rule as quickly as possible they could choose no better vehicle. Think about how the US population will react to this. The Kossacks and other nuts will lap this up, but bread-and-butter America will despise the libs if they do this.
Better, any fair defense will demolish the prosecution. The only real issue will be the MSM. They are in the liberal tank and will publish nothing truthful if necessary to protect Obama.
It is a sad state of affairs
Sat, 11/29/2008 - 01:00 ET by afuelwhen America haters like Maddow and its brethren at MSNBC can actually have air time to espouse their hate and insanity. Who and what kind of people employ these nut jobs? The hate and lies these wackos promote will have negative effects on us a citizens.
Maybe at some point these loons will be held accountable for insighting violence or mayhem in a court of law.
No Representation in NorCal
Why bother publishing the Airhead America crowd?
Sat, 11/29/2008 - 06:22 ET by TheHistorianIn all of the stuff I have heard on Air America, there is only one theme: "I hate ...". No discussion, no evidence, and when conservatives called (like liberals are welcome to do on Limbaugh, Hannity, etc) they were usually hung up on. Yet this is the other half of the choice we are expected to accept on our local radio?
This site would do itself a favor by ignoring the ignorant, which includes Rachel Maddow. She got her know-nothing, "blank slate" President in Obama, now go away.
Alternately, she could actually lay out the crimes, WITH EVIDENCE. Unfortunately, thinking like that is something the Airhead America crowd cannot do.
"What experience and history teach is
this - that people and governments never have learned anything from history,
or acted on principles deduced from it."
G. W. F. Hegel
Rachel Mandow
Sat, 11/29/2008 - 08:00 ET by nuclearnavymomIs it me or she/he/it look like Noah Wylie?
I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.
Maddow and her ilk....
Sat, 11/29/2008 - 09:29 ET by taocpaI don't pay attention to her or Olbermann. They both have zero credibility. He ought to back to doing sports (heck his degree is in journalism), she ought to just go away.
As is pointed out, this Hamdan aided a fugitive from justice. It's the equivalent of driving the getaway car at a bank robbery. But liberals are too stupid to see that.
Of course the commission idea will probably happen because of liberals bloodthirst to get even for the Clinton impeachment over Monica (which he did deserve). By all accounts, Clinton had a chance to get Osama, didn't do it and look what happened. If they go after Bush and company, why stop there? Go after Carter for his mishandling of the hostage crisis, that ultimately led to all this stuff going on because we were viewed as weak by these jihadists.
Liberals just hate Bush for loving and defending this country, that's the problem.
Tom
The PO'd Majority
Sat, 11/29/2008 - 17:57 ET by VictorOfBorgI will presume to speak for the "PO'd Majority" who are neither liberal or conservative, just mad at the wrong direction this country is taking, and remind these folks who want to try Bush for so-called war crimes that this will be the quickest way to insure Congress returns to Republican control in 2010 and Obama is an "in-and-out in 4" President.
We are in no mood for the politicians wasting time settling political scores when the economy is burning and the Islamic vultures are circling, waiting to devour the entrails of our weakened country.
We, the majority, don't bloody care whether there is a "D" or an "R" after your name We want to know we will have jobs that pay a livable wage, that we can afford enough education for ourselves and our children to get that job, that crooked businesses will not cheat us out of our hard-earned pay, that injury or illness will not cause us to lose everything to bill collectors and bankruptcy, that we will be reasonably safe from foreign attack... but not involved in unnecessary and poorly planned wars, that our tax dollars are not wasted on dubious "programs" or to line the pockets of well-connected organizations or businesses, and finally, that our jobs pay well enough for us to pay for food, clothing, shelter, transportation, health care, education and taxes, with a little left over for a few "luxuries" like a vacation or hobby.
We don't expect help except in the cases when costs out-pace the ability for average people to afford necessities like health care, food, shelter or education. These are some of the basic requirements for a society to be considered, "civilized." We have basic obligations to help each other (so we are not entirely a conservative "screw you, I've got mine" society), but we expect individuals to do their part to earn their way (so we are not a lazy, "sit-on-your-butt I'll get mine whether I work or not" socialist "utopia").
Politicians had best heed our demands or face another drubbing in the next election cycle.