On Thursday's "Today" show NBC reporters offered little skepticism of Barack Obama's dictations to corporate America, instead buttressing Obama soundbites with sloganeering as, Meredith Vieira declared, "President Obama lashing out at Wall Street and clamping down on corporate fat cats," and Savannah Guthrie underlined, "The President bashed Wall Street," and "took a shot across the bow." The "Today" show then brought on CNBC'ers Melissa Francis and Dylan Ratigan to discuss Obama's capping of executive pay at $500,000, to which they both agreed, "it didn't go far enough." "Today" anchor, millionaire and world traveler, Matt Lauer himself lectured: "Can the culture of Wall Street be changed? Let, let's just be clear here. Private jets, perks, lavish trips gone. Is it ever, are they ever gonna come back?" But when Ratigan tried to use the ratings performance of the "Today" show to make a point, Lauer jokingly, but quickly, cut him off as seen in the following exchange:
MATT LAUER: Just going back to the beginning. We talk about $500,000 for these corporate CEOs. Let's just be clear-
DYLAN RATIGAN: It's a ton of money.
LAUER: That's a lot of money. It's a lot of money-
MELISSA FRANCIS: Yeah.
LAUER: -for the average person waiting on tables and...
FRANCIS: Absolutely.
LAUER: ...restaurant.
RATIGAN: Not to mention if you, if you ran your, if, if this show had, has, ratings went to zero-
LAUER: Don't bring this show into it.
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The following are transcripts of the bailout-related segments as they were aired in the first half-hour of the February 5, "Today" show:
MEREDITH VIEIRA: And now to President Obama lashing out at Wall Street and clamping down on corporate fat cats. But just how much of an impact will it have? We have two reports, starting with NBC's Savannah Guthrie at the White House. Good morning, Savannah
SAVANNAH GUTHRIE: Good morning, Meredith. As you said, last week the President bashed Wall Street for paying itself those big bonuses while getting taxpayer bailouts. Well it turns out, that was the shot across the bow. Now he's following up those words with action.
[On screen headline: "Onto The Stimulus, Obama Pushes GOP Senators"]
BARACK OBAMA: The economic crisis-
GUTHRIE: With the Treasury Secretary by his side and Wall Street excess on his mind, the President unveiled tough new rules on executive pay.
OBAMA: For top executives to award themselves these kinds of compensation packages in the midst of this economic crisis isn't just bad taste, it's bad strategy, and I will not tolerate it as President.
GUTHRIE: An answer to the outcry over Wall Street executives who helped themselves to billions in bonuses after getting a taxpayer rescue. The new rules force companies that get big taxpayer bailouts to limit salaries of top executives to $500,000. Any bonus pay must be in the form of company stock that can't be cashed out until taxpayer money is repaid. But the rules don't apply retroactively to companies that have already received billions in taxpayer money. And as for controversial luxury items like corporate jets or lavish company parties, the new rules don't ban them outright, just force companies to disclose the spending publicly on their Web sites. The idea, shame the executives into better behavior.
ROBERT GIBBS: The transparent viewing of the practices of businesses that are involved in receiving assistance from the federal government I think will have a tremendous impact, as it already has, in changing the behavior of individuals.
SEN. RICHARD DURBIN: This is HR-1.
GUTHRIE: As the Senate debated his economic recovery plan for a second day-
SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM: People are running scared in the Senate because this bill is stinking up the place.
GUTHRIE: -the President continued to court key republicans and wavering Democrats with meetings at the White House.
SEN. BEN NELSON: This is about jobs, jobs, jobs.
GUTHRIE: But he used tough talk, flexing his political muscle, reminding Republicans pushing tax cuts that he's the one who won the election.
OBAMA: I reject these theories, and by the way, so did the American people when they went to the polls in November and voted resoundingly for change.
GUTHRIE: Well despite all the wrangling in Congress, aides here still expect this package to pass by mid-February, and the President continues his sales pitch today, writing an editorial in The Washington Post saying this crisis could linger for years and be irreversible if this plan doesn't pass, Matt.
LAUER: Savannah Guthrie at the White House. Savannah, thanks very much to you. It sounds like common sense, but is the President's plan realistic? CNBC's Melissa Francis is here with that part of the story. Hi Melissa, good morning.
[On screen headline: "Bailout Salary Cap, Will It Change Things On Wall Street?"]
MELISSA FRANCIS: Hi, Matt. You know we have all been talking about excess on Wall Street for months. Well, now the President has taken a first step towards a solution and topping the list of questions that surround his plan, will it even work?
OBAMA: Top executives at firms receiving extraordinary help from U.S. taxpayers will have their compensation capped at $500,000.
FRANCIS: With those words, President Obama put fat cats on Wall Street on notice. No more cashing in on the bailout.
NEIL WEINBERG, FORBES MAGAZINE: The practices of the past, the egregious payment where people are getting rich in senior executive levels while the shareholders are getting poor is not going to be countenanced by our government any more.
FRANCIS: Will this shake up business as usual?
JEFFREY SONNENFELD, YALE SCHOOL OF MANAGEMENT: This is a very fair plan. The President of the United States is making $400,000 a year. The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court making $265,000 a year. To reach the $500,000 level is kind of generous.
FRANCIS: Wall Street has argued that it needs to reward its best and brightest or risk losing them. So, will some executives now jump ship to companies not covered by the new bailout salary cap?
[On screen headline: "Bailout Salary Cap, Will It Change Things On Wall Street?"]
WEINBERG: The question is, where are they going to run to and I think the answer is, there's not a whole lot of places that they really can go right now.
FRANCIS: But perhaps the biggest question, will this change the culture on Wall Street, given that these same executives will eventually have access to stock options?
WEINBERG: The bottom line is, these guys could still get filthy rich during this time when they're essentially operating on government money. The main benefit you're going to see here is the moral suasion, is the idea that the government is sort of, trying to show these companies, that you have to start reeling this in on your own.
FRANCIS: This concept of executive salary caps, of course, isn't new, but most economics agree that this time the President really had no choice. It got to the point, where especially from a PR perspective, something had to be done.
LAUER: Yeah alright and let's bring in your colleague now Dylan Ratigan. And, and let's talk about this folks. It sounds like common sense okay? But take, take the logic out of this for a second. Do you see any problems with this cap?
[On screen headline: "Bailout Salary Cap? Does Wall Street Get It"]
DYLAN RATIGAN: The only problem I see with this cap is that it doesn't go far enough. I feel like we're in a situation where we've put trillions of dollars of taxpayer money either directly into the banking system or to support the banking system, and yet, we're letting the people that ran the banks into the ground still operate the banks. So people get frustrated with the fact that they're like, "Why do they have access to our money, and yet, they're doing whatever they want?" So, it's almost a bad formula.
LAUER: Okay, but I, see I don't think anybody is gonna have any sympathy for a current CEO who's run a company into the ground getting his or her a salary cap.
RATIGAN: Which is, no question.
LAUER: But these companies need to be turned around
RATIGAN: Why? Why do they?
LAUER: Well wait if it comes to hiring someone else to run the company-
RATIGAN: Yeah? Yeah?
LAUER: -while it's still getting federal bailout money-
FRANCIS: You know what the problem. That's the problem.
RATIGAN: That's the issue, yeah.
FRANCIS: You hit on the problem right there, is that they're taking federal bailout money.
RATIGAN: Yeah.
FRANCIS: That's where this problem begins. Because once taxpayer money enters the situation, the government enters the situation, suddenly they're running the company.
LAUER: If you would rather have the best and the brightest CEO running one of these troubled companies-
RATIGAN: Right?
LAUER: -are you going to be able to attract that person from a company-
RATIGAN: Absolutely.
FRANCIS: (inaudible)...are still getting stock.
RATIGAN: Not only that but I take issue with the, with the assumption in your question, which is that these banks must be brought back. My goodness-
LAUER: Well some are gonna fail.
RATIGAN: My point is we need banks in this country, but the lie, the big lie is that these banks, particularly, must be supported. No, no these banks operated in a way that was egregiously risky and ran themselves into the ground. America needs banks and it is in the taxpayers' interest to have banks-
LAUER: But do we still-
RATIGAN: -but why is it the taxpayer's responsibility to resurrect these banks? I don't think it is.
LAUER: Once, once, once, well once we have an investment in these companies, these banks, do we not want them to be able to compete at the highest level?
FRANCIS: Well that's, that's what's called sunk costs. I mean we've sunk money into these banks to try and save them, but at some point you have to say, are there a few of them -- to Dylan's point -- that just need to go?
LAUER: Well of course there are but President Obama has articulated that.
RATIGAN: Right.
LAUER: He says some of these banks are gonna go away, but the others you want to succeed. And I'm just saying, can you attract top talent at a company? And you said, yeah they can still get around this with stocks.
FRANCIS: Well they're paying stock options. I mean Dylan said it doesn't go far enough and that is the truth. I mean it's $500,000 is the cap on cash compensation and for most of these guys that's a rounding error. Lloyd Blankfein made $68.5 million in 2007. $500,000 is nothing. But they still get stock. And you know there's no limit on that.
LAUER: We started the segment by asking, could, can the culture of Wall Street be changed? Let, let's just be clear here. Private jets, perks, lavish trips gone. Is it ever, are they ever gonna come back?
RATIGAN: No, not necessarily, I would-, absolutely. Here's the thing. Banking is something that is good for our economy. Taking deposits and putting money back out in, with good loans. We want that. Just as we want good cars, good medicine, good technology. Bad banking, banking where people make loans or sell insurance that they cannot pay for in order to enrich themselves and stick the bill for it, with the taxpayer, is something we in America don't want. So what we would like to see from our government is for them to encourage an environment that creates good, healthy banks that have good business practices and orderly disposition of the fools that ran the banks into the ground previously.
LAUER: But you know what's strange here. You're starting to see a bleed-over here. You're seeing corporations that are not on the public dole here, cut back those things like the jets and everything-, just for PR reasons.
FRANCIS: Just...
RATIGAN: That's a moment in time. That's a moment in time.
LAUER: So that's a blip, that's a blip on the radar.
FRANCIS: And it's also right now, and they can't really afford it. When profits are down it makes sense to cut those things. But they'll come back.
LAUER: Let, let-
RATIGAN: And if the three of us started a new bank and we actually were able to do a good job we could fly around in our private plane all we wanted.
LAUER: If I started a bank there would be no one putting money in that bank.
...
LAUER: Just going back to the beginning. We talk about $500,000 for these corporate CEOs. Let's just be clear-
RATIGAN: It's a ton of money.
LAUER: That's a lot of money. It's a lot of money-
FRANCIS: Yeah.
LAUER: -for the average person waiting on tables and...
FRANCIS: Absolutely.
LAUER: ...restaurant.
RATIGAN: Not to mention if you, if you ran your, if, if this show had, has, ratings went to zero-
LAUER: Don't bring this show into it.
RATIGAN: It's a beautiful show.
(laughter)
LAUER: Alright you know?
RATIGAN: I'm just saying.
LAUER: Oh, we're out of time. Sorry about that. Dylan Ratigan, Melissa Francis, thanks.
—Geoffrey Dickens is the senior news analyst at the Media Research Center.




















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Wages of Dim
February 5, 2009 - 14:07 ET by Jack BauerLeslie Moonves - CEO CBS
Total Compensation: $ 35.33 Million 2008
Katie Couric, CBS On Air Personality and former cheerleader
Total Salary: $15 Million per annum
Lauer taking a pay cut?
February 5, 2009 - 14:10 ET by dark_dswell one thing this salary limit does is it prevents GE from getting a bailout .....could you imagine all the million dollar talking heads from NBC and MSNBC getting pay cuts......now that would be justice
Water Boarding is illegal but Koolaid Boarding is still an option... dark_ds said that
Salary Limit
February 5, 2009 - 15:45 ET by Sergeant ROCKI was gonna say maybe the suggestion was to raise the salary of those waiting tables to $500K. Because they essential have the same skill sets and duties as your average CEO.
Bolton/KEYES 2012
Let's see: Lauer at $15
February 5, 2009 - 14:10 ET by SickofLibsLet's see:
Lauer at $15 million/yr = 30 CEOs
Veira at $10 million/yr = 20 CEOs
Sounds equitable.
Against the cap
February 5, 2009 - 14:14 ET by bioteachedI thought the salary cap was a bad idea before the interview mentioned that it didn't include stock options. Now, I think it is an even more rediculously bad idea that will have no impact at all. This is like polishing excrement . . . it may look better, but it still stinks!
For a guy who admits he needs to learn
February 5, 2009 - 14:14 ET by KC MulvilleI think it was only yesterday that Obama was talking about how much he needed to learn about finance and economics, and that every day was a learning experience.
So, while the student is learning, he feels free to scold people who actually run businesses.
Look, I'm not happy about the executive compensation, either. Those guys who mismanage their business into the ground, and then walk away with millions, should be horse-whipped. But is anyone comfortable with how quickly the bailout money has become a weapon? Is anyone comfortable with the idea that out Community Organizer is going to hold businesses hostage unless they conform to his perspective?
My friends, we are going to pine for the days of Jesse Jackson. All Jesse used to do a shakedown was a bullhorn. Now, we're looking at the same shakedown, backed by the weight of the Executive of the United States.
So I guess Matt Lauer makes less than 500K.
February 5, 2009 - 14:25 ET by jazboThose who believe in nothing will believe anything.
Bailouts/Corporate Pay
February 5, 2009 - 14:32 ET by genethemachineI am now oficially in favor of a network television bailout! Of course...there would be limits/caps on onscreen talent pay. But this is really about fairness and I can only imagine the multiplier between the lowest paid person at CBS and Katie Couric.
The howls from the media would be worth the price.
And while we're at it, let's bail out the NY Times. I am sure Nobel Laureate Krugman won't mind having his pay cut down to size since it is all in the name of fairness.
Did not GE financial get a
February 5, 2009 - 14:41 ET by buddycDid not GE financial get a bailout? Isn't NBC owned by GE? Why would Obama not reduce Lauer and Vieira's salary to $500,000.00 Is Vierra a "fat cat"? Fat fits! Is Lauer a "fat cat".
But I say if they want help then they have subjected themselves to the wonderful world of Washington regulation and that should include Vieira and Lauer.
So much hypocrisy
February 5, 2009 - 15:00 ET by slickwillie2001Not to forget those perfumed princes of populism, O'Reilly and Dobbs, who both rage against 'fat cats' while taking home many millions in salaries and other perqs. Plenty of hypocrisy to go around.
slick... You do make a
February 5, 2009 - 15:03 ET by bigtimerslick...
You do make a good point here...I've also heard both do as such.
yeah....
February 5, 2009 - 16:24 ET by LoosMooseyeah, you are correct they DO make many millions.. but then.. THEIR company is not in trouble, THEY are not asking for a bailout now are they?
This $500k cap is a JOKE as in complete and totally funny. CEO's do NOT take salaries.. they take stock options, and golden parachutes. I was a pilot for AMR and CEO Bob Crandall did not take a salary for years... he did however leave with 240+ million dollars in stock options PLUS his bonus.
I had a nightmare that Keith Olberman was run over by a bus,....... and lived.
good move Obama
February 5, 2009 - 15:24 ET by candanceWe all know that the best way to save a sinking company is to scare away more qualified managers.
Why would any company want to be based in the USA?
February 5, 2009 - 16:00 ET by thebutlerdiditExactly what is their incentive? Obama keeps saying the time to talk is over on porkulus, but there is still no explanation on how this works to make a single job! Grahamnesty said Obama was AWOL on the porkulus. McCain was on Greta VS last nite, and he was definately saying no on this pig. I wonder if they will stay this tough? Seems hard to believe.
Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke
WTF???
February 5, 2009 - 15:55 ET by kdizzydazeRATIGAN: Not to mention if you, if you ran your, if, if this show had, has, ratings went to zero-
LAUER: Don't bring this show into it.
Wow - Lauer is showing his stripe - just like every other democrat. You see, go after those others that have high salaries but leave me alone. The retort of Lauers to Ratigan speaks for itself. Typical limousine liberal
God made man, but he used a monkey to do it -- DEVO
How About Limiting Laur's Pay?
February 5, 2009 - 15:57 ET by Blue Collar ToddI wonder what these Obama cheerleaders would say if The One decided to limit their pay? I guess they could argue that Obama is getting great value for what they are paid. Maybe Socialism is good for the Liberal media.
Loaning money to a business
February 5, 2009 - 19:14 ET by ckc1227Loaning money to a business doesn't mean you get to run the business. If I get a loan from a bank, they don't get to tell me how much I can pay my executives. And really, do we need people who can't even do their own job trying to do someone else's?
And, just a thought, anyone think Lauer makes more than $500,000 a year, for running nothing? I'm betting he does.
By the way, just heard on the Mark Levin show that Barney Frank is introducing legislation to give government the power to cap the salaries of ALL CEOS, whether they received bail out money or not.
ckc... I usually am
February 5, 2009 - 19:18 ET by bigtimerckc...
I usually am listening to Levin right now, but I am listening tot he Senate today, no radio, so I am glad you filled me on somewhat here..
There is going to be no stopping these far-reaching leftist tentacles, they are going to strangle all of this republic if they get the chance...and their chances are growing it seems.
Hey BT....
February 5, 2009 - 19:40 ET by ckc1227Think this was posted earlier this week, but, if you can't catch Mark live, you can download his shows at http://www.marklevinshow.com/audio/.
Another resource I found is http://streamingradioguide.com/streaming-radio.php?format=1&radio-format=News/Talk
This shows the schedule of most talk radio shows, and provides several links and times where you can listen to the shows online, so if you miss the live show, you can usually find it replayed somewhere several times a night.
"Libs never let you down. You don't have to talk to one very long before the stupid comes out."
ckc... Thank YOU! I
February 5, 2009 - 19:43 ET by bigtimerckc...
Thank YOU!
I wished I had more time in the day....this is one of the rare ones I can be here and listen to the Senate all day (which is more than important to me), got all out of my way the last few days and early this morning.
Link is saved.
Couldn't edit my post for
February 5, 2009 - 22:42 ET by ckc1227Couldn't edit my post for some reason, so here's the link to the Barney's Frank article.
http://www.financialweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090203/REG/902039977/1003/TOC&template
So last year,
February 5, 2009 - 19:38 ET by IamTinmanSo last year, Congress received some of the worst approval ratings in history, lower than the president and almost as low as the media.
Yet Nancy Pelosi still retains all her perks including healthy salary, car, plane, and plush offices despite the horrific performance of the organization she heads.
I wonder if she reflects, during her weekly crosscountry roundtrips whether she should be practicing the same principles she so vigorously applies to others? Or any other member of congress for that matter?
A pox on them all!
How Much Should a Talk Show Host Make Matt?
February 5, 2009 - 20:23 ET by MystapittI wonder if Lauer is willing to give up some of his salary to support many of those that NBC has been laying off in recent years? He is making 12 million smackers per year!! How dare he!!
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