BMI/NB's Menefee Hits Media for Recession Fear-mongering on 'Fox & Friends'

By Genevieve Ebel | April 2, 2008 - 11:47 ET

Business & Media Institute Managing Editor Amy Menefee appeared on "Fox & Friends" on April 2 to discuss the media's involvement in sparking recession fears.

Rescuing viewers from "solid recession talk," Menefee said that specifically network news reports already "have gone far beyond recession, they are already concerned about a depression."

"They're not tell-they're not allowing people on the networks to say ‘Hey, let's get this in perspective right now,' as you said we haven't had a quarter of negative growth yet."

Menefee also told Fox News viewers what is missing from coverage.

"I think another thing that the media are leaving out is the-this push to rescue people, to rescue the economy. It's a lot of pressure for government to do something and we don't want government to just do anything just to do something."

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"Liberals"

To a modern "liberal" not grooming the dog, not eating out every night, keeping your Mercedes for two years, or not getting your nails done is a "recession".  Making President Bush, who's leadership has kept us safe and prosperous, a scapegoat for their greed and ignorance, is also part of it.

NEVER, NEVER trust a "liberal" 

No, you're confused and delusional.

Ivy,

Greed? Oil companies are recording record high quarterly profits, Halliburton continues to be making money from their war profiteering adventures in the GWOT, the US taxpayer is about to bail out the Financial markets while certain CEO's are making hundreds of millions in bonuses. Strength? The US dollar, US prestige and US credibility are at all time lows across the world.

The ignorance is displayed in your own statements and comments. Open your eyes after you pull your head out of your a$$.

Syrius

A Recession is when your neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose yours. And recovery is when Dubya loses his. (h/t R.Reagan)

 

Head out of what?

The immaturity of your remarks is evident. You've been well brainwashed, Syrius. Sad.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Look who is calling who delusional

Hey Syrius,

Do you know anything about the economy? You are obviously an Idiot.....

So what if CEO's are making money. That's what Capitalism is about....

Right on...

Vett,

You're okay with the current state of affairs with the US taxpayer forking over tax money to bail out the financial market? Free market economy? Our money paying for what? You call it Capitalism when the CEO's are making money off of "get rich quick schemes" that go bust and then go to the Gov't to ask for a bail out? Go ahead enlighten me...one idiot to another.

Syrius

Which Oil company has done

Which Oil company has done that Syrius? Name one. Your talking about banks and credit unions now. And anyone stupid enough to get into an ARM, deserves what he gets. The ARM has been around for 30 years or more. Hasent been used in the past, much, simply because people where not that stupid. Now what you are witnessing is the product of public schools, entering into stupid contracts.

Who saw that comming? Duh!

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Perfect 10 Bass! v Men

Perfect 10 Bass!

v

Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. -Winston Churchill.

Now, wait a minute...

BnD,

The point of this thread was on the greed of the new "liberals". I pointed out the greed of the different elements of our society conservatives enjoy supporting. Big Oil is one. Wall Street is another. I'll wait for you to catch up.

"And anyone stupid enough to get into an ARM, deserves what he gets." and the same is true for those who sold him the ARM, bundled it into a financial 'product' and sold to the investors who bought into the scheme and the investors who took the risk. They all deserve what they get- financial failure. It was not a successful venture in the free market and it should be allowed to fail.

Syrius

"it should be allowed to fail."

That's the point nobody seems to be getting (imagine different politics and I can imagine much louder objections for the exact same thing, if you know what I mean...). This corporate welfare bailout, in addition to generating massive moral hazard for the future, guarantees a similarly-ill-advised Barney Frank bailout of idiots who purchased too much house. It's already in the works. These 2 wrongs will NOT make a right.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Sarc, I'm not here as often

Sarc, I'm not here as often as others so maybe I'm missing the post's of anyone here at NB who backs bailout's of any kind. I'd guess there are some, but I have not seen any. Syrius implies the same thing as you do. I honestly would like to see who is for corporate bailouts. Can you show me the posts?

It's not so much that...

And more of a selective lack of outrage. An attitude (shared by many on the left, BTW) that "the Fed had to do exactly what they just did!!!" Critics (especially those of us who spent the last few months warning of a mortgage derivatives meltdown -- remember this?) should shut up about what corporate welfare means to the future as the Fed seeks to get even more powerful from their own morally hazardous failure. Try to imagine what some folks here would have said/vented if the Clinton era Fed had done a similar government expanding bailout....

(Maybe I'm hypersensitive to this issue, because I've personally seen massively misdirected law enforcement resources which are at this moment still costing US taxpayers & me-personally a lot, and which an antilibertarian-biased news media refuses to cover honestly!)
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

I'd rather give tax monies to businesses than individuals

I'd much rather give tax monies to businesses than to individuals any day.  It's the welfare handouts to individuals that has caused the trouble we have.  It's not the businesses, it's the lazy individual.  You go into business to make monies.  You go on welfare to be given monies!  There is a difference.  Why you call yourself Syrius is weird because you can never be taken seriously!

Oh really?

PP,

As long as the businesses are vetted out as successful businesses with certain assurances in paying back the monies received? With interest? Why not individuals who are deemed worthy of our taxpayer money? With interest?

Syrius

Individual business owners yes-individuals no

Individual business owners would be OK, but when we give monies to individuals, they become dependent on it.  Welfare is the worst drug there is!  Makes people give up because they do not need to get a job, fix their home, watch their health, etc.  It's supporting a habit!  And these stories about food stamps are so misleading.  Most people only skim headlines and in doing such never get the real story! 

$$=> Individuals

I have no more problem giving money to an individual as I do a business if that individual is going to invest in the nations economy, create jobs or provide growth to our nation. Mostly, I don't trust politicians to decide where my money should go so I'm speaking in hypothetical generalities since the ethical and responsible use of tax money in an alien concept in Washington.

Syrius, who owns the oil

Syrius, who owns the oil companies? And Halliburton to, for that matter.

Talk about a display of ignorance.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Investors?

bassndude,

Investors used to take risks. Today, if you're a wealthy investor your risk becomes nil by the threat of suing the financial institution who sold you a bill of goods or product bundles. Those financial institutions are begging for a bail out. So, tell me how a free market works again. It seems to be not a free market to me when institutions aren't allowed to fail or succeed. If the oil ran out, wouldn't the oil companies look for a hand out. If the war ended, wouldn't Halliburton complain about its losses. The investors would be wanting some kind of insurance not to lose their precious investments that seemed so sound, but, are now worthless. Go ahead...tell me you support the current state of affairs with the bail out, and in the meantime, reverse your position and tell me it's a shame to be giving a hand out to the poor. The hypocrisy!

Syrius


 

Syrius, while I agree that

Syrius, while I agree that the bail out of the financial institutions is a BIG mistake, and bailing out the home owner is bailing out the lender, this is not how it should work. The lenders were as stupid as the home buyer.

Halliburton: if the war ended today, Halliburton would still be making profits. Halliburton makes all kinds of stuff. I am familiar with the down hole tools used by the oil field, well heads, blow out preventers and a whole bunch of stuff.

The oil will not run out. Not this century. Oil companies are not, for the most part, "exclusively oil". However, lets say oil runs out. Not a drop anywhere. There goes your computer, poof. It is an oil product, so is the pvc pipe and plastic, tires...you would be suprised what you wont be able to get.

I am not rich, but I do own oil stocks. They help me save for retirement, about 4 years from now. So, profits are not a bad thing, I like oil profits. If you have a 401K, you have oil stock to. Dont bite your own foot, like many others are doing.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

free market

Bail outs are generally a bad idea and do go against the grain of a free market - though the US market hasn't truly been free in the last century plus but I'm sure you know that part of the equation. What I wonder at is the references to oil companies and Halliurton. If oil ran out? In that strange circumstance there would be huge layoffs and not much of an economy left but the only people receiving handouts would be the people eligible for social programs. Halliburton? Halliburton didn't have their hand out after President Carter used them. Haliburton didn't have their hand out after Presidents Reagan/Bush used them. Halliburton didn't have their hand out after President Clinton used them so I doubt there would be much of a difference now. People would be layed off but that is to be expected.
Hand outs without responsibility, whether to the rich or poor, is wrong. It is just that social programs rarely require a level of personal responsibility (just as bail outs these days).

Ditto Agnostic. Save a

Ditto Agnostic.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Interesting...

Agn & BnD,

I'm glad we cleared that up to a certain degree. Indirectly agreeing with me doesn't make you a liberal thinker. I'm enjoying the fact you may be seeing the mistake of the bail out and the hypocrisy inherent in its support.

Syrius

Liberal Thinker?

Actually I don't claim to be a conservative since I would quickly be corrected around here. What I dislike about liberal agendas is typically their 'game plans' or methods for accomplishing stated goals (which are too often knee jerk reactions) are repulsive to me. These bail outs are an example of what I would have expected of a liberal line of thinking but corruption does not know part lines.
You won't hurt me by calling me a liberal. I will assume you mean the type of liberal we had in this country prior to WWII; mostly responsible people with an eye on the future.

edit: a professor once asked me, "When did being a liberal become such a bad thing?". I tried to tell him, "when liberals became more closed minded than conservatives" but he talked over me and would not let me answer.

My apologies.

Agnostic,

I'm in agreement with you. The liberal of the old days and the current liberal are two distinct animals. The repackaging of liberal labels by the conservatives tends to trend towards a socialist/communist label. I find it fascinating to see how conservatives attack the intellectual elitism of the liberals without realizing the similarities in their statements to Lenin, Stalin, Castro and Mao.

Syrius

 

disagree

While the use of labels as a means to restrict thought and promote uniformity within groups is a characteristic of Communistic states it is not correct to say that the conservatives repackaged liberals as a means of attack. As the liberal base extended further and further left the term liberal continued to be used even though there is an obvious difference between a liberal who wants to see open minds in government working for a common good and the liberal who wants to see Communism given a chance in the US. The mistake made was a lack of distinction and the same mistake is made on the conservative side seeing that there is a difference between those who would like to see Puritan style of ethics and possible theocracy government and those that just want to see responsible levels of spending and ethical judgement by the elected.
The mistake is that as the base spreads towards greater levels of extremes the labels do not change and in fear of not upsetting part of their base (in the case of politicians) or part of the target audience (in the case of the media) the distinction is never made.
This idea of a spreading base will eventually end up giving us a three or four party system. I think it will be the conservatives that will break away from the Republican party first - especially if McCain does get elected.

Syuius, I, for one, do not

Syuius, I, for one, do not support the goverment bailing out of either, business or individuals. That includes welfare. All that is, is a goverment bail out program. For those that cannot work, there is disability.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

War profiteering, Syrius?

War profiteering, Syrius? Are they supposed to do their work for free?

Do you think that taking away CEO bonuses and all of Halliburton's profits will fix the economy?

No, but it would make you feel better about it, right?

You're confused and delusional

Yes, Syrius, you are.   What is your plan to stop

all this so-called greed, capitalism,etc.?    Surely

you have all the answers.   I really don't care to

hear them though  because I'm sure these problems

all are solved by government control, and taxing

the U.S. citizens to death.   That's what Shrillary

and the "Rock Star" propose.   They keep babbling about how the rich aren't paying for anything and

the middle class are being taxed to death.   That's

not true and they know it, but they hope we'll

swallow this nonsense hook, line and sinker.

Get your own head out of your butt. 

   

   

 

do with our

You said it.

merlin,

In your own words...

"I'm sure these problems


all are solved by government control, and taxing


the U.S. citizens to death."

Bear Stearns bail out with your, my, our TAX dollars. Go ahead...Who's head is up who's butt? The middle class isn't profiting from this bail out...I wonder who could be? Hmmm...

Syrius 

 

Syrius

Who the hell here has backed the Bear Sterns move? My tax dollars should go to nothing more than keeping a well organized militia (military, in case you can't figure that out) to protect our interests at home and abroad. No SCHIP, no welfare, no regulatory comissions, the states should be fixing their own damn infrastructure (exception for interstate highways), and taking care of their own shortfalls. We are a loose conglomeration of states, a consortium if you will, each with their own soveriegnity. If you want to start bitching about wasted tax dollars, you can't hold a candle to me. I'm sure a nice liberal like yourself loves the tax and spend mentality anyway.

Recession

The original discussion here concerned the so-called "recession". There is no recession at this time (Eco. 101). The media is using the word "recession" for politcal reasons. Futhermore, many people doing quite well are pushing the idea of "recession" when they know that there is no recession. These are modern day "liberals". Talk about hypocrites! Moreover, government "bailouts" for anything should be a last resort. We are far from needing them at this time, IMHO. Welfare destroys incentive. The welfare state stinks. Class envy leads to Communism. So don't vote for BO, Hillary, or any other "liberal".

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

I completely agree. If the

I completely agree. If the definition of a recession is 3 straight months of negative GDP, then we are not even close. I know personally I am doing better than ever before (I work for an oilfield services company, so I must be a Bush crony) others around here are as well. Other than a housing slowdown, most industries here are up or steady. The only thing really slowing our economy down is the price of fuel, and we have liberals to thank for that.

The price of fuel is to be blamed on the liberals?!?

RestUp,

Wow...this is a first. Explain with facts please. It's the liberals who are to blame for all the fuel price increases which is the cause of the slow down in the economy? Please enlighten me.

Syrius

 

Who is it exactly that

Who is it exactly that opposes drilling in ANWR and off the Gulf coast? Who is it pushing blended fuels on America, pushing up the price. I can't link at work, but when I get home, I will be glad to provide proof.

I'll be waiting for the BS.

RestUp,

The opposition to drilling in ANWR is having effect on the current price of oil? Any oil coming out of ANWR wouldn't be on the market for how many years?

The pushing of blended fuels isn't being supported by the oil industry as another profit making venture? Corn isn't being planted for ethanol production? Other crops aren't being affected by the surge in corn planting? Flour prices for your pizza hasn't increased in the past year? The grocery prices at your local market hasn't increased? Yeah, it's those damn liberals pushing up the price of everything with their extravagant lifestyles...

Syrius

 

ANWR...how soon?

Won't take long the infrastructure is already there at Prudhoe and the Alaskan pipline.

v

The future has a way of arriving unannounced. - George Will

Yeah, it's those damn liberals pushing up the price of everythin

"Yeah, it's those damn liberals pushing up the price of everything with their extravagant lifestyles..."

Syrius, on this we agree!

v

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will

I see you commented...

vrwc13,

...on ANWR and my sarcasm on extravagant lifestyles. Didn't want to tackle the other points?

As a side note- Why the hatred for liberals living extravagantly? Helping the economy with their infusion of cash? What are you some kind of communista in conservative clothing?

Syrius

Their infastructure is equal to ours in 1950!

That was my sarcasm on liberals spending habits!

As far as your other points, we live in a free market society, thank God.

My family and I lived in Russia (not Moscow) for a year and saw first hand what socialistic economy can do. Other than their military and space program, Russia is near a third world country.

Their infastructure is equal to ours in 1950! They are about a half a century behind us.

So much for social/communist economics.

v

The future has a way of arriving unannounced. - George

Look, Syrius

Isn't ethanol being pushed as "enviromentally friendly"? Who do you suppose is behind that? Even though ethanol has shown to be more hazardous. And why do you want to starve all of those poor Mexicans who rely on corn for their tortillas? Why do you libs want to starve all of the poor souls of the world by using food supply as fuel?

Yes, it is all of those damn liberals pushing up the price of everything with all of their bullshit enviromental activism. They vote against drilling in Alaska, they vote against drilling in the gulf. They vote against building new refineries and coal fired electrical plants. Prices are going up due to a number of liberal agendas. Deal with it.

Who's pushing it?!?

RestUp,

March 5, 2008

WASHINGTON -- President Bush said the United States
should "get off oil" Wednesday as crude prices hit record highs and
renewed his support for ethanol use despite concerns the corn-based
fuel is driving up food prices and isn't more environmentally friendly
than gasoline.

"We gotta get off oil, American has got to change
its habits," Bush told a crowd at the Washington International
Renewable Energy Conference, a meeting of global energy officials and
an adjoining trade show that's the largest all-renewables show ever
held in the United States. "It should be obvious to all, demand has
outstripped supply, which makes prices go up."

As the conference
got into its second day, crude oil on the New York mercantile exchange
jumped nearly $4 on falling oil inventories, trading over $104 a barrel
and setting a new all-time record.

Part of Bush's plan to wean the country off oil includes big investments in ethanol.

The
energy bill passed by Congress and signed by Bush in December calls for
refiners to replace 36 billion gallons of gasoline with ethanol by
2020, up from about 7 billion gallons today. About half of that will
come from ethanol made with corn.

"That's good if you're a corn farmer, and it's good if you're concerned with national security," Bush said.

Stuff it!

Syrius

 

The energy bill was passed

The energy bill was passed by congress. Who is in congress?

Who has been impeding the building of new refineries? While there are othere factors, environmental activism is clearly playing a major role.

Why would dems in congress rather open strategic reserves rather than lower taxes on gas?

"Of
course, if the good Senator really wants to give Nevada drivers
some relief, why not suspend gasoline taxes? The federal tax on
gasoline is 18.4 cents per gallon. Then the State of Nevada, on
top of that, levies another 33.7 cents. That’s 52.1 cents a gallon
going to the government. Thus residents of the Silver State today
pay the third highest gasoline tax in the nation – behind only New
York and Hawaii. Of course, Californians pay nearly as much as Nevadans – over
50 cents per gallon. Interestingly, the three Senators looking to
drain the SPR for their political gain are from states with the
highest gasoline taxes, as well as the highest gas prices in the
nation."

Now, dems and environmentalists want to make ANWR ban permanent.

Also, I mentioned before that I am not thrilled by everything bush does. I am no Bush apologist, but if environmentalists would take the shackles off domestic drilling, perhaps there would be no need for ethanol.

As for the Environmentalists...

RestUp,

I know this is hard when you've been drinking so much Kool-Aid...

"Corn-based ethanol has been at the center of a well-funded
misinformation campaign launched and perpetuated by the Bush
Administration. In fact Nicholas Hollis, President of the Agribusiness
Council, believes that "ethanol is the largest scam in our nation's
history"-found on this site...

http://www.energybul...

They oppose ethanol.

Syrius

ANWR...

here's one, just "google" for more...

http://findarticles....

v

Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. -Winston Churchill.

March 2003?!?

vrwc13,

Come on 5 years ago? The price at the pump was...? A barrel of oil cost how much...? Congress was being controlled by...Hmmm...?

Syrius

Did you happen to notice who

Did you happen to notice who brought up the bill, and who voted for it?

I'm in total agreement on a number of points.

RestUp,

Let's face facts...I'm all about keeping the money I pay into the system in my community. Less Fed taxes the better. I know my State, County, and Local taxes will go up to offset the Fed. I'll enjoy the better schools, roads and services since I live in an area where I will truly benefit. The rural states will suffer to a certain degree, they'll just have to suck it up. By the way, I'm assuming you realize the tax and spend mentality of the Bush Admin. and the previous Republican controlled Congress has been repackaged as a deficit spending plan on steroids for our future generations to foot the bill (Unless the Rapture happens...?). The largest expansion of the Federal government in how many years? 60? Since FDR? FDR was a liberal, Bush is a ...Hmmmm...a Conservative Expansionist? All for the sake of a mistake in a land that has lots of oil part of our National Treasure/Security. I'm more afraid of the current Admin. spending our future generations into oblivion than I am of any shortsighted virtual terrorist threat. More security for the future to guard a vacant bank or idle factory?

Syrius


 

Show me where I have

Show me where I have supported Bush's spending policies. I never said that he was fiscally conservative. Other than the WOT, there is not much I agree with him on. Just knew he was better than Gore or Kerry, especially considering SCOTUS appointments were at stake.

As far as Iraq, it will be proven in the future to have been the right thing. Sorry to say, I may be long gone before history gives W his due.

Btw, didn't Bush cut taxes? He may have expanded govt. some, but it wasn't tax and spend. That's the lib way.

I support the war against Al Qaeda...

RestUp,

...in Afghanistan and the tribal borders of Pakistan. $500 billion and growing for a mistake in Iraq. If we had focused on Bin Laden & his merry men and killed them, we could have turned our attention later to wage war against Iraq and any other enemy we deemed necessary. Now look at where we are 7 freaking years later...Great job in supporting Bush's GWOT! The history of Bush continues to be written with each passing day.

Bush did cut taxes by spending the surplus first then by paying for them with his deficit spending which translates into borrowing on the backs of future generations. It's that simple.

Syrius

 

Sorry, but I have to jump

Sorry, but I have to jump in here.  There was no "surplus" to spend.  Too many individuals have fallen for this fallacy perpetrated by the Clinton Administration.  The "surplus" of Clinton was determined by projecting ten years into the future using the same growth rate as that experienced under the dot-com boom, before the bubble popped.  In retrospect, any reasonable person can see the problem with the calculation.  There was never an existing surplus; however, Clinton's media buddies reported it that way--just another example of how Democrats get the benefit of the doubt to the msm.  In fact, the "surplus" (that never existed) was all but gone even before Bush took office.  9/11 sealed the deal.  Rest assured, if President Bush would have used the same rationale in projecting a surplus ten years into the future, the media would have called him on it.  They would not allow this from a Republican president.  Also, we've had record tax revenue to the U.S. Treasury AFTER Bush's tax cuts, so the cuts alone do not explain it.  I agree, Bush has overspent, because he is more liberal than most people understand.  You sound like someone who has received all of your information from left wing websites, which are a bit adrift of reality.

Restless 1

Right on. The tax cuts helped millions of people, particularly those who work for a living. As far as Iraq is concerned, what a short memory the "liberals" have. It was the right thing to do. Remember this?http://www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-before-iraq.wmv It shows how many Dims, including the Clintons, supported ousting Saddam.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Most everybody in our

Most everybody in our government supported Saddam's ouster, ven calling for it during the 1990's.  Bush was placed in a very difficult position after 9/11 regarding Saddam Hussein and his antics.  This is something the media simply does not address.  All of these Dems who called for action against Hussein prior to 9/11; what would their response have been in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks that day?  Would they have continued to ignore Iraq as a threat, or would those attacks have been enough for them to make the move, like Bush did?