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Culture Notes: Christmas Without Christ

By Erin R. Brown | December 16, 2010 | 11:08

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2,000 years ago, there was no room for Mary and Joseph at the inn in Bethlehem. Fittingly enough, in the past two years, there was no room for their baby at the network evening news shows. Every year, millions of Americans celebrate the most important Christian holiday by reflecting upon the significance of the birth of Christ. Families attend church, count blessings and exchange gifts, and yet the evening news broadcasts for ABC, CBS and NBC almost completely ignored these religious traditions by leaving Christ and God out of Christmas.

Two years of Christmas coverage on three networks produced a scant 1.3 percent of stories mentioning the deity. The true message of Christmas, the miraculous birth of Jesus Christ, has simply been ignored by the mainstream media.

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The big three networks ran 527 stories about Christmas in their nightly news broadcasts, but a mere seven of those stories mentioned God or the birth of Jesus Christ. ABC’s “World News,” “CBS Evening News,” and “NBC Nightly News” all thoroughly covered Christmas, but 98.7 percent of the Christmas references highlighted the holiday’s impact on the economy, weather, travel, retail sales, the passage of the Senate health care bill and its other less religious connotations.

The Media Research Center’s Culture and Media Institute looked at network evening news shows that mentioned “Christmas” from Oct. 1, 2008, to Sep 30, 2010. CMI found that the networks almost completely neglected stories about family, religion, and the blessings that Americans enjoy. Here are some key findings:

  • God Who?Just seven stories out of 527 (1.3 percent) mentioned the deity in two years of network evening news coverage.
  • More Words about Ping Pong than God:Only 312 words, in 19 sentences over two years and three networks mentioned “God,” “Jesus” or “Christ.” CBS used more words than that (320 to be exact) in a single story about the possible addition of table tennis to the Olympic Games in 2012.
  • Underwear Bomber and Retail Stories Overshadowed Christ: It’s a holiday season everywhere … except the networks, where other stories dominated the coverage. One hundred and sixteen stories referencing Christmas only covered the holiday in terms of the 2009 Christmas Day underwear bomber on flight 253 over Detroit – 22 percent of 2008 and 2009 Christmas coverage.Retail stories were a favorite Christmas topic as well – the networks dedicated 104 Christmas stories (19.7 percent) to coverage of how Christmas sales impacted the bottom line for the US economy and revenue for retailers around the nation.

The media could argue that national security threats trump everything when it comes to covering news, and therefore the excessive Christmas day underwear bomber stories were justified. But that ignores both the 2008 coverage and the stories leading up to the day of the bombing. In 2009, the year of the Christmas day bomber, only one story mentioned the deity, and in 2008, a mere five stories positively referenced God.

To accurately reflect the true meaning of Christmas, CMI recommends the networks:

  • Talk about Christ during Christmas. The effort to make God obsolete in evening news reports about Christmas is simply futile when one considers that, according to a 2008 Pew Research Poll,nearly 80 percent of Americans consider themselves to be Christian.
  • Interview Christians and those who celebrate Christmas by remembering its true meaning.
  • Go to various churches to find stories about Christmas.
  • Cover more positive stories about the spirit of giving and those who reflect Christ during this special season.

Christmas Without Christ

He’s the reason for the season, but networks mum on Jesus in Christmas coverage.

Santa, carols, sleigh rides and presents – they’re all images the media bombard Americans with each “Christmas.” While none of those things are intrinsically bad, the lack of focus upon the true meaning of Christmas, the birth of Jesus Christ, is a sad commentary on pop culture. In 1870, Congress officially declared December 25a federal holiday, to give those who celebrate Christmas a day to reflect upon God’s gift to mankind in sending his son, Jesus Christ.

However it seems that every year, the news about Christmas  covers increasingly secular topics: Christmas weather, Christmas shopping, Christmas crime, Christmas travel, Christmas crowds, etc. The religious aspect of the holiday gets shoved aside.

Nearly 80 percent of Americans self-identify as Christians, so it is safe to say that they are not offended by the words “Christ,” “God” and “Jesus.” But the media have made Christ nearly taboo in network news coverage.

And yet, out of the 527 stories about Christmas in their nightly news broadcasts, the three networks mentioned God or the birth of Jesus Christ in just seven. So 98.7 percent of the Christmas references on the networks were about anything but the day’s religious significance.

Worst Examples of Neglecting God

If ever there was an appropriate time to mention the deity, it would be while discussing religious songs sung by a chart-topping group of priests on Christmas night. The “NBC Nightly News’ broadcast on Christmas Day 2008, with guest anchor Amy Robach filling in for Brian Williams, went to almost ridiculous lengths to avoid any mention of God. In an almost 400 word segment about a chart-topping group of Irish priests and their CD titled “Priests,” there was not one word about the deity of which they sang. Instead other religious terms took God’s place.

“Heavenly music” and “spiritually inspired tracks” were phrases used to describe the “minor miracle” that is the collective success of the priests, who signed a $1-million contract in 2008. NBC reporter Keith Miller said, “They may be the only entertainers who are more interested in mending souls than climbing the charts.” But not mentioning Christ in a 400 word segment about a group of priests was not as egregious as failing to recognize God in a 3,600-word broadcast on Christmas Eve.

The 2009 Christmas Eve “CBS Evening News” broadcast kept God out of the true meaning of Christmas, although there were 18 “Christmas” references. Bad weather, derailed travel plans, and the passage of the Senate health care bill were all discussed with Christmas, but the message of the birth of Christ was non-existent.

Even a Christmas story about giving left out a mention of the greatest gift given to mankind. That story happened on Dec. 19, 2008, just six days before Christmas during the “CBS Evening News.” In a story about a secret Santa do-gooder, there were six mentions of Christmas, and five of selfless giving, but none about God.

But CBS was willing to outdo itself with the most ridiculous Christmas story of 2009 by highlighting a “sexy Santa” in Los Angeles. Ben Tracy reporting on Nov. 28 found the true meaning of Christmas by highlighting one mall’s racy attempt to attract buyers.

“Shopping malls themselves are upping the ante to help their stores lure customers,” Tracy said. “The Beverly Center in Los Angeles has a Vegas style act hanging around in the courtyard and if you prefer your Santa more hunky than chunky, this mall knows what you want for Christmas.”

Beverly Centerstore manager Jeff Brown admitted it was a publicity stunt in order to “push the envelope about as far as we could go and really create that point of difference.”

And in 2009, possibly the worst example of ignoring the deity came from NBC. The “Nightly News” completely failed to mention God during the entire 2009 Christmas season.

 A Scant Few Mentions

All the evening news shows did have at least one reference to God during the 2008 Christmas season. Most of those occurred just in the nick of time, on the Christmas Eve or Christmas Day broadcasts.

NBC anchor Ann Curry, filling in on Dec. 24, 2008, didn’t shy away from mentioning the birth of Jesus, the true meaning of Christmas for billions of Christians around the world. Curry said, “And in Bethlehem, the largest number of Christmas visitors in nearly a decade have flocked to Christ – to services at the church of the Nativity, believed to be the birthplace of Jesus Christ.”

But CBS anchor Jeff Glor wasn’t so generous with his description of the religious meaning behind Christmas. On the 2009 Christmas Day broadcast, Glor glossed over the celebrations all over the world. “Worshipers attended mass at Chicago’s 134-year-old Holy Name Cathedral,” he stated. “In Bethlehem, pilgrims and Palestinian Christians celebrated at the Church of the Nativity, and Australians were on Sydney’s famed Bondi beach, with not a snow flake in sight.”

CBS Correspondent Allen Pizzey used some heavenly humor in the same broadcast he reported on the attack at the Vatican on Pope Benedict XVI. “Because the pope cannot be isolated from the faithful, he will always be within range of the unfaithful and the disturbed, which leaves divine protection his last, and he might say best resort,” Pizzey quipped.

The most newsy reference to God came from Charles Gibson in the Christmas Eve, 2008 broadcast of “World News Tonight.” Gibson said, “In Rome, worshippers gathered in Saint Peter’s Square as Pope Benedict lit a candle and urged people around the world to pray for peace. He then celebrated midnight mass. And in Bethlehem, thousands crowded into Major Square, outside the Church of the Nativity, the site where Christians believe that Jesus was born.”

CBS’s Harry Smith gave a brief mention of Jesus’ birth on Christmas Eve 2008, but did so in the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. “And the Christmas celebration in Bethlehem was much brighter this year,” Smith said. “Christian pilgrims gathered for Mass at the Church of the Nativity. Bethlehem’s been a flashpoint for violence between Israelis and Palestinians, but security has improved a lot in the past year.”

However, Smith also gave a respectful mention of God and Christmas in the same broadcast when. ”It is one of the most solemn, yet joyous celebrations of Christmas: midnight Mass at the Vatican,” Smith reported. “Pope Benedict led the faithful in prayer this evening at St. Peter’s Basilica. In his homily, the Pope said this is the time to think of children, especially those who are orphaned, homeless or exploited. He also asked for prayers of peace for Bethlehem, the traditional birthplace of Jesus.”

A guest mentioned God in the Dec. 23, 2009, ABC broadcast. In an uplifting story about the generous giving that sustained the financially struggling First Baptist Church in Brattleboro, Vt, the pastor said, “It’s not just Christmas. It’s a miracle. I think God is working in His way.”

2009: How the Underwear Bomber Stole Christmas

The 2009 Christmas day bomber was by far the most common context in which the word “Christmas” was used. Of the 527 stories CMI studied, the failed attempt to blow up Delta Northwest flight 253 over Detroit by al Qaeda operative bomb smuggler Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was the subject of 116. The “underwear bomber” as he became commonly known, garnered 33.6 percent of all stories mentioning Christmas during the 2008 Christmas season.

ABC led the three networks in references to the underwear bomber, with 43 stories in 2008 and 2009, or 35.5 percent of its total Christmas coverage.

CBS did 36 stories about the Christmas day bomber, or 39 percent of its Christmas coverage. NBC did 37 stories about the Christmas day bomber, but that equaled only 28 percent of its coverage of Christmas in 2009.

Christmas is … just about anything but Christ.

Falling as it does at the end of the calendar year when businesses and governments scramble to show a profit or claim accomplishments, and given the demand it creates for often chancy travel during winter, Christmas offers plenty of excuses the media to talk about anything but its religious dimension.

It is no secret that Christmas gift sales and their impact on the U.S. economy, garners huge press coverage every December. But when the focus on the holiday’s impact on retailers becomes all that Christmas is good for, the original message of Christ’s birth is completely lost. A whopping 19.7 percent of Christmas coverage for all three networks was dedicated solely to economic and retail stories.

Diane Sawyer brought on the holiday gloom on Dec 21, 2009: “Christmas week chaos,” she said. “More long lines, more short tempers. Passengers stranded at airports for the third straight day.”

In 2009, retail stories amounted to 14.2 percent of the ABC, CBS and NBC nightly broadcast coverage of Christmas stories. In 2008, however, in the wake of the economic crisis, economic Christmas stories were more prevalent, garnering 30.2 percent of Christmas coverage in 55 stories.

On ABC Diane Sawyer highlighted the economy on Christmas Eve in 2009. “And on Wall Street, a nice rally for Christmas Eve,” said Sawyer. “And our Business Correspondent Betsy Stark was down oat the market today. So Betsy, bring us up, where is the market at this time of the year?”

Of course, in order to shop, people have to be able to get to the stores, and then travel to wherever their holiday destination is. Christmas occurs during winter, and winter means severe weather that each year strands hundreds, if not thousands of travelers. The networks made the woes of weary travelers a focus of 10.6 percent of all Christmas stores in 2008 and 2009.

“Across the hard-hit region, this was the sound more popular than a Christmas carol,” said CBS Correspondent Barry Peterson on Christmas night 2009. “In Minneapolis, the city said it would plow enough lanes on streets and multilane highways to equal 3,200 miles, enough to equal plowing a single lane from the Twin Cities to Anchorage, Alaska.”

In December 2009, if the Christmas Day underwear bomber wasn’t being talked about, it was likely the Christmas deadline for the passage of the $871 billion health care reform bill. On the morning of Christmas Eve 2009, Democrats in the Senate passed a bill to overhaul Americans’ health care by a vote of 60-39. In 2009, the health care reform bill Christmas deadline accounted for 32 stories, or 9.3 percent of all Christmas coverage.

Finally, generic references to Christmas that ignored the deity added up to a whopping 40 percent of all Christmas coverage in 2008 and 2009. A general story about Christmas was anything from the arrival of the White House Christmas tree, to the way deployed troops would spend the holiday.

Sadly, the baby Jesus took a back seat to mundane holiday references in 2008, with the networks running a staggering 102 stories, or 56 percent of all Christmas coverage on general Christmas references. NBC was the worst offender, with 41 stories, followed by CBS with 36 and then ABC with 25.

In 2009 there were even more even more non-pious stories run by the networks – 109 among all three.

Methodology

The Culture and Media Institute looked at the nightly network news shows from ABC, CBS and NBC for two years. CMI analyzed every story that appeared in the broadcasts of ABC’s “World News,” “CBS Evening News” and “NBC Nightly News” that mentioned the word “Christmas” between Oct. 1, 2008, and Sept. 30, 2010.

Stories were analyzed to see if they mentioned “Jesus,” “God” or some other indication of a deity.

Conclusion

On the Aug. 14, 2010, broadcast of the “CBS Evening News,” Jeff Glor dedicated 327 words to the possible addition of table tennis to the Olympics in 2012. That’s more words devoted to ping pong than were devoted to God during all of the Christmas coverage in two years of broadcasts.

Plainly, to the networks, Christmas means travel delays and spikes in sales for retailers hoping to see profits in the black. Christmas means arbitrary congressional deadlines and general placeholders for timelines. Christmas means that a sexy Santa can get away with toeing that naughty line in order to attract buyers to his store.

On ABC, CBS and NBC, Christmas means everything except the birth of Christ.

Recommendations

The Culture and Media Institute recommends that ABC, CBS and NBC not show bias against Christians by glossing over one of their most important holidays. If there are more than 300 million Americans, and 80 percent claim to be Christians, than the networks are slighting an important holiday for more than 24 million people.

CMI recommends that the networks:

  • Recognize the lack recognition given to Christ during the Christmas season.
  • Include more discussion about the birth of Christ and what it means to 80 percent of Americans.
  • Interview Christians, Catholics, pastors, church leaders, authors, musicians and others who celebrate the Christmas every year by remembering its true meaning.

 

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Southern story

Submitted by jdlybrand on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:32am.

In the past I have taken offense upon hearing sales clerks etc. say Happy Holidays. Yesterday, I was in the checkout line at the local grocer and noticed the young man who had just rung up a purchase tell the lady in front of me, "Happy Holidays Ma'am". She said nothing and walked away. He rang up my groceries next and as I was picking up my bags, he wearily said, "Happy Holidays sir". I paused and looked him in the eye, smiled and said, 'Merry Christmas to you too". He smiled back at me and said,"Merry Christmas to you too, sir". I had a spring in my step as I walked away.

 

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Go one better

Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 12:21pm.

I decided to take how someone said (and it was confirmed) that Holiday has its roots in Holy Day, and tell people about that.  The looks I would get, oh man, they were to behold!  I said "so in essence, you are saying "Happy Holy Days, right?"  You could almost hear the sound of brain farts after that.

I have done the same thing saying Merry Christmas to various people.  They would be so relieved(as evidenced by the looks on their faces) to hear that.  It's almost like a secret society these days.

-Jon

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Thanks for the story, jdlybrand

Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:02pm.

Seems like a very Christmas-y moment.  Very much in the spirit of the holiday.

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Well since the lame street

Submitted by Barack_must_go..... on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:32am.

Well since the lame street media get their marching orders directly from the Ass Clown in our White House, who in turn only says what his puppet masters ( George Soros ) arm up his ass makes him say, not that if he were left to his own devices there'd be a different result. So I guess we're looking at another two CHristless, for the most part Christmas's.......from most stations anyway. Hey, it's their loss not ours.

I can't wait to see the Ass Clown do his " I'm not a muslim, I'm just like you " shtick,  sclepp the family down to the local church for the third time in 2 years, all the while kidding himself into believing We the People buy into his bullshit.

To know his true faith you need look no further than the worn out knees on all his suit pants. They just don't make em for kneeling 5 times per day anymore.

With the Ass Clown, the more things change, the more they remain the same.

Barack_Must_Go.....

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A couple of points

Submitted by KC Mulville on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:40am.

Christmas is a contraction of Christ's Mass. The whole point of the day was originally to have a Mass on that day. So, for most Christians, how are we to celebrate the day? Was it to watch football, or basketball? Was it to have a huge gift-giving ceremony? Was it to spend like thieves and pray the credit card people don't call?

No. Christians celebrate by going to Mass. If you're not Catholic, then attend whatever service your congregation follows. That's how you celebrate the holiday. Get your butt to church. And don't get too upset when the priest starts his homily ... he's been working on his Christmas homily for weeks, which means that he's had plenty of time to make a wreck of it ...

* * * * * *

I'm curious. Do you think the media believe that they have an obligation to separate church and state? Do the media think that if they mention Jesus, they're somehow endorsing a religion?

Well, if so, I have a small revelation for them ... the media, despite what it imagines, is not part of the government.  Who does Brian Williams think he is, if he believes that he can't mention religion because he can't be seen as endorsing a religion? How arrogant can you be? He's a private citizen, working for a for-profit corporation, and he doesn't have any special privileges or authority just because he reads news stories on TV. The media is not part of the government. Even if you buy the concept that government can't mention religion because it would endorse it (which I don't buy), it's a moot point because the media isn't part of the government.

And if the media argues that they're just trying to avoid offending non-Christians so that they can appeal to more customers ... let me notify them that Christians are the majority. As a pure sales decision, treating the majority beliefs as divisive and offensive would just piss off the majority, don't you think? And so, that's why the "sales decision" argument doesn't wash. They don't avoid mentioning Jesus for sales reasons. It's ideological.

And for the record, I'm not offended when the media explores and explains the devotional practices of Jews and Muslims, or anyone else. I welcome that information, and I'm happy for other religions when they practice their faith. Doesn't offend me a bit. So where did we get the hare-brained idea that others will be offended by Christian practices? That's silly.

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KC

Submitted by troglodyt on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:30pm.

Two questions:

1.) Can I transfer your argument about Christmas being a contraction of Christ's mass and score on the whole holiday discussion? You know holiday being a contraction of holy and day.

and now the serious one:

2.) Do you not at least in part take exception to the following:

"Every year, millions of Americans celebrate the most important Christian holiday by reflecting upon the significance of the birth of Christ."

?

I always thought that title was reserved for Easter.

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Well, you're right, but ...

Submitted by KC Mulville on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:42pm.

There are some fights you just don't fight too hard. The church considers Easter to be the summit of the liturgical calendar, but we don't want to demean Christmas in the process. I mean, the Resurrection was great, but the Incarnation wasn't bean-bag!

And the Catholic Church is highly reluctant to wage war about Easter. The last time we did that, the eastern half of the church flipped us the bird and we split. That gets your attention, so we learned (I hope) not to fight that kind of a battle too stridently. Not to dismiss what we believe to be true, but there's no need to start throwing around anathemas  ...

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I'm not a Christian,

Submitted by troglodyt on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 3:00pm.

but I imagine that if I was, I'd be troubled by the relative disregard that is shown for Easter by the general populace. Personally I always liked Easter more as I've been more fond of Bachs Passions than of his Christmas oratory. 

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Shhhh ...

Submitted by KC Mulville on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 11:48pm.

If they understand the power of Easter to Christians, they'll try to commercialize it. Shhhh! They tried to make it into a candy holiday, but thank goodness that didn't really work. So, ix-nay on the oticing-nay. (Had to speak in Three Stooge-ish there, sorry.)

Amen to the Bach comment. As you probably know, his day job was being the church music director. He learned the power of music by writing masses. Almost all of the great composers wrote masses, and many of them made their living by writing liturgical music. I regret the loss of that tradition, because the liturgical music these days is so poor. Now, everything sounds like a Kumbaya rip-off. I would love to return to the tradition of those masters. And, for the non-Christians, it would at least give student composers a discipline to follow. We'd all benefit.

If Leonard Bernstein could write a Mass, why not Philip Glass? It could be wonderful. 

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Trog, While I would not

Submitted by bassndude on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 3:18pm.

Trog,

While I would not argue either as the most important event (holiday) in Christianity, a case can be made that, without the first, (birth of Christ), there could have been no latter, (death of Christ).

So, in this discussion the choice made by Christ to submit to the will of the Father, and die on the cross, must also be considered for the most significant event.

 

Save a SeAL, club a liberal/troll!!

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I could swear there was a

Submitted by Satchmo on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:50am.

I could swear there was a blog entry recently complaining about liberals wanting to dictate television and news content. Who freaking cares? If anyone wanted to hear about Christ or Christmas, I dobut network news would be the place they would think about turning regardless of amount of coverage.

How about starting your own television network and you can talk about Christmas and Christ to your heart's content.

And retailers wish to see numbers in the black, not in the red.

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Shocker: Incestmo not a fan of Christmas, either

Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 12:40pm.

"Why the hell can't this character Christ just stay out of our lives?" he stated.

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Sleazemo

Submitted by MrShy on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 12:57pm.

Sleazemo, our garden variety I'm Not a Liberal Liberal, who's wonderful "ideals" are getting exposed daily and piling up. Here's the latest Top 3 countdown:

3) Free, weekly checks for everyone. Yay for socialism!!

2) Christians and their freakshow obsession with that Christ guy need to go start their own network and leave us good people (with our "Holiday Season") alone.

1) Incest is fine as long as both parties are consenting.

Sleazemo, the face of today's left.

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Oh you forgot the whole list.

Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:07pm.

1. Incest is A-OK

2. The U.S does not have a 2 party system.

3. The poor in the United States will rejoice at a 30% sales tax.

4. President Bush should have waited to sell the Iraq War until 2005, 2 years after it started. And then he should have read verbatim from the Authorization for the use of force in Iraq that was put out by Congress in October 2002. Yeah, no one knew about that. Well Incestmo didn't know about it so that is reason enough.

5. Ixchel, one of the numerous pagan gods of the pagan ancient Mayan religion was not pagan, although all the other gods of the pagan ancient Mayan religion were.

6. The split image half black/half white picture of President Obama was not racist because President Obama is half white and/or half black.

7. Journalists have a right to conduct interviews even though they were exlicitly told not to and Sarah Palin should be forced to answer any questions even though she explicitly refused to  because she was signing books not conducting interviews. Whatever, tie her down and force her to answer questions because it is a public sidewalk.

8. There is no such thing as public airwaves.

9. Yippee for Assange and wikileaks! Expose everything that our secretive government has been covering up.

10. It is called the holiday shopping season because it includes Thanksgiving even though the holiday shopping season does not start until Black Friday, the day AFTER Thanksgiving.

11. People exchange gifts on Thanksgiving too.

12. Executions should be televised.

13. Sarah Palin is stupid.

14. The Supreme Court is actually the 14th Court of Appeals.

15. There is no such thing as greed.

16. Only nwahs nwahs is allowed to use the word retard.

17. Saddam Hussein was facilitating the flow of weapons from Iran, HIS ENEMY, to Syria.

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Add-Ons

Submitted by sentry_99 on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:15pm.

18. A 24 year old is not a child, even though said non-child had a mother and a father (who said non-child was sleeping with). 

19. "Disturbing the Peace" laws are phony.

20. Quoting directly from a 2006 California Penal Code is "describing a statute versus providing it" even if you provided the code section.

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21. Necrophilia is a victimless crime, penalties are too stiff

Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:28pm.

LOL

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I've never said nor believe

Submitted by Satchmo on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:08pm.

I've never said nor believe any of those things. It's a shame that you and others continuously lie. I guess that's easier to do than to actually discuss or debate.

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Sleazemo LIES 3 TIMES

Submitted by MrShy on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:12pm.

...in one post. Bravo!!

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That would be you who has

Submitted by Satchmo on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:35pm.

That would be you who has lied three times in one post. Not once did I say nor do I believe any of those things that you've falsely attributed to me. It's not the first time you've deliberately lied about what I've said, either. Independent thinker you are not.

Unfortunately, this is a common tactic around here: Falsely mistate and misrepresent another's position, or make it up altogether, and throw in a few personal attacks and name calling. Avoid at all costs actual content and ideas presented.

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I am busy right now

Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:43pm.

  Maybe when I have time this weekend, I will get your your own Collected Stupid of the Butt Hurt Stupid Incestmo troll Woodshed with the actual quotes. But you have to get NewsBusters Admins to give us the edit function back for our forums. Otherwise you will never be able to break the 110 lies of 007memo and the 124 lies of J Frank Wilson.

  Until then, yeah, you keep up the dream that we are too stupid to remember what you wrote 2 days ago. You keep that dream alive little troll that throws around the lie accusation like it is tinsel on the trollie Christmas tree.

  Yeah, poor trollie gets butt hurt when his Stupid gets thrown back in his face. Poor Butt Hurt Trollie.

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~Mis-state?

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:26pm.

We aren't making up a thing, see your quotation in my tag? That's verbatim, deal with it.

Obama's WTF 2012 campaign slogan: "A dog in every pot"
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Wrath

Submitted by MrShy on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:33pm.

Libs historically have a hard time dealing. Take a look at that Mr. Unger guy who's racing in to do damage control on his blog piece... on another thread.

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~I saw that last night

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 3:02pm.

Unger, Dworkin..you realize what this means, right?

These dudes are Googling themselves.

Howzzat for insecure, neurotic, and self-absorbed? ROFL!

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Is it?

Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 12:14pm.

"Every year, millions of Americans celebrate the most important Christian holiday . . . "

Though I was confirmed in a Christian church as a youth, I am not a Christian now, so I profess that I may be wrong.  But I was taught that Easter is the most important Christian holiday.  Is that not true?

That having been said, I have less concern that the "Christmas" aspect is downplayed than I have with the overemphasis of non-Christian observances above Christmas.

For example, when my children were in elementary school about 15 years ago, the school prinicipal prohibited teachers from having Christmas trees of any size in their classrooms or lobby, and there wre no Christmas caroles in the choir's "winter concert."  But the lobby had a large menorrah (sp) and references to Kwanzaa.  The principal was almost indignant when I asked why other religious observances (if we can call Kwanzaa such) were prominently displayed to the exclusion of the one that the majority of the students adhered to; she replied that the non-Christian displays were part of diversity education, and since there were plenty of Christmas references in the media and about town, they weren't necessary in the school (This woman had a PhD Ed.)


 

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No, you're correct

Submitted by KC Mulville on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 12:24pm.

The hierarchy is pretty much Easter, and then everything else. 

The Catholic Church has several levels of liturgical importance. Solemnities are the highest, then Feasts, then Memorials, then other celebrations. It affects what prayers you say during Mass, like the Creed or the Gloria. It dictates what vestments to wear, what music is permitted, etc. It even dictates whether you're obligated to go to mass on that day.

Some people think it's a lot of arbitrary nonsense. Not me. I'm a big believer in culture and therefore ritual. You don't have to be obsessive about it, but the different rituals give you a way to act out your beliefs. There's a usually-but-not-always-healthy iconoclastic streak to being American, that abhors rituals as all voodoo. Not for me. I love this stuff.

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Christmas

Submitted by Gothampc on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 12:37pm.

"But I was taught that Easter is the most important Christian holiday. "

I am a Christian and have the belief that they are of equal importance.  They are two parts of a single plan of redemption.

Christmas is to celebrate the fact that God extended Himself to all mankind.  (Immanuel - God is with us).  God showed that He was willing to become one of us and walk among us.

Easter is to remember that Jesus bore our sins and that we have the option to be in right standing with God. 

Christmas was the beginning, Easter was the fulfillment.

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Thanks, KC and Gothampc

Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:07pm.

and Merry Christmas!

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And yourself

Submitted by KC Mulville on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 9:18pm.

Merry Christmas!

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and they were both fairy tales

Submitted by Bobby B. Bobberson on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:10pm.

meant to enslave sheeple with guilt and fear.

Compare jebus and santa:

• both promise to give you presents if you do what you're told  (life after death in heaven/presents)

•both threaten punishment if you go against their wishes (eternal suffering in hell after death/coal in stocking)

•NEITHER EXIST THEY'RE BOTH FAIRY TALES

 

You know, there's a reason we call it the 'ROMAN Catholic Church' and not the 'Catholic Church.' And that is because Constantine commandeered it when he rose to power as the next Roman Emporer. He gathered all the bishops and expelled from the church any bishops who refused to agree with his terms for how to run the church.

He built the church on fear and guilt, and he was well ahead of his time, because after @1600 years, his influence is still greatly a part of the RCC.

"Guilt! Fear! You're going to hell! Do as I say!"

I was subjected to 12 years of catholic schooling (where they had no problem teaching me about evolution) and was a student in all the AP (advanced placement) classes: AP Algebra, AP Pre-Calc/Trigonometry, AP Calculus, 2 years AP Biology, and 2 years AP Chemistry as well as 3 years of Tenor Sax in both the orchestra and the jazz band, and 4 years on stage crew culminating with the role of Stage Manager, the highest rank attainable by a student.

Oh and those stupid, retarded religion classes. What a waste of my fucking time.

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A Nerd Troll

Submitted by sentry_99 on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:19pm.

Congrats, sorry you got your ass kicked regularly but guess what....NO ONE CARES.

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Yes,

Submitted by almostacowboy on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:20pm.

We can clearly see what you do with your *&%$# time, and we are so proud of you Bobo. Now, finish your cocoa and go outside and play.

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~....

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:24pm.

" a waste of my f!@king time"

How strange, that exact thought crossed my mind as I read his post! What are the odds, I ask you?

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Bru, that's a Ditto...

Submitted by upcountrywater on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 5:16pm.

Glad you cut N' pasted that, so I didn't have to.... :-P

You Didn't Build That.

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Merry Christmas to you

Submitted by KC Mulville on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 9:26pm.

And coming to a website to display your ignorance of the church's history is a productive use of your obviously valuable time?

Oh well. Merry Christmas.

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So these evil Catholic

Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 5:21pm.

So these evil Catholic schools gave you an education complete with AP classes and the theory of evolution.  What horrible people those Catholics.

By the way, you didn't need to define "AP", and anyone who feels the need to impress others with his high school accomplishments (if they are even real, which I must wonder about), has major issues to deal with.

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~You know what

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 5:25pm.

really impressed me? His super awesome high school band cred. I'm still in awe.

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Every high school reunion I

Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 5:39pm.

Every high school reunion I go to all the women hang around trying to talk to the guy who played Tenor Sax or the stage crew manager.  Sigh. 

Like this guy  http://img.timeinc.net/time/2009/poy_2009/historical_shalom/shalom_histo...

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~OMO

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 5:53pm.

You found a picture of Bobby! Rowr

I just wanna rip those glasses off and breathlessly ask him to spit out the retainer and recite the periodic table for me.

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What impressed me was his

Submitted by bassndude on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 5:49pm.

What impressed me was his claim he went to school...and he learned his gosintas and such.

 

Save a SeAL, club a liberal/troll!!

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~Dude

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 5:56pm.

He, like, went to high school. Maybe he'll learn us sumthin' if we listen real good.

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Jerkstore!  I was in the

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 6:04pm.

Jerkstore!  I was in the band!  I played trumpet.

And I've been looking for a good Ska band to play with ever since.

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~Band geek

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 6:12pm.

Whassat? What? I'm sorry, it's hard to hear you through your locker door. Should I slide a candy bar through the vent for ya, or you wanna give me the combination?
 

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See I always preferred a bag

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 6:27pm.

See I always preferred a bag of Cheddar Cheese Pretzel Combos and a Little Debbie's Star Crunch.    

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~No WAY, dude

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 7:05pm.

Little Debbie's Swiss Cake Rolls RULE.

Crap, I'm hungry now.

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Oh come on!  They're just

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 7:55pm.

Oh come on!  They're just Hostess Ho-Ho's ripoffs!

Crap, now I'm hungry too.

Heading off to craft service.  BRB.  

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Tastycake

Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 8:14pm.

Neither of you has ever eaten a Tasteycake.  They put Hostess, Lil Debbie, everything else to shame.

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~Tease

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 8:17pm.

.

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Tasteykake

Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 8:27pm.

One of the few wonderful things to come out of Philadelphia, better than soft pretzels even,

http://www.tastykake.com/products/

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~Rad

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 8:35pm.

*drool*

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I like where you're going

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 8:17pm.

I like where you're going with this.  Please share, oh Tasteycake Co.

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Run the word "Tasteykake"

Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 8:28pm.

Run the word "Tasteykake" past your relative who moved out of Philly.  See what kind of response you get. 

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~Man, talk about unfair!

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 8:14pm.

If I want something to eat I've got to make it myself. Hmmm, I think I've got all the ingredients for a batch of brownies...

Ho-Ho's suck. Swiss Rolls dominate, you obviously haven't had any in a while.

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It sure has been a while.

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 8:20pm.

It sure has been a while.  Now that I watch my caloric intake and try to stay away from 500 calories snacks, that is.  

Believe it or not I almost never eat from craft service.  I'll have a soda a day, but otherwise I keep away.  The crafty girl is hispanic  and puts out an amazing spread, only a good portion of it is always made from good ol' grease and fat.  

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~That's what exercise is good for!

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 8:28pm.

Take up running and you can eat whatever you want. Works for me.

Those sodas have a surprising amount of calories, and the sugar turns to fat if it isn't burned. Alright, now you made me thirsty, (well, the chex mix the hubby just handed me helped) I'm going to go make myself some lemonade.

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Soda is a waste of calories. 

Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 8:34pm.

Soda is a waste of calories.  It doesn't taste good enough (to me) to justify those calories.  If I'm going to consume calories it's going to a steak or chocolate.  Mmm, lemonade.  Being lazy, I'll settle for water with lemon.

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Hostess Cupcakes

Submitted by 26CX on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 8:22pm.

Nectar of the gods!

"But my advice to you can be summed up in two words: Thicker skin." - Jer
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~Bring some

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 8:36pm.

to chat, and we'll taste test. :-D

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'christmas'

Submitted by Bobby B. Bobberson on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:14pm.

I hesitate to call it 'christmas' because that's just the name the RCC threw onto it after they stole the winter Solstice celebrations from the Europeans after they invaded and murdered (in the name of 'god,' of course).

The festival is to celebrate the winter solstice; that is, the end of days getting darker/colder and the beginning of days getting lighter/warmer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_solstice

I'll take cold hard truths over warm fuzzy lies any day.

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Oh, my!

Submitted by almostacowboy on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:21pm.

Isn't he a smart little boy?

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Jesus owes somebody an apology

Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 10:29pm.

   Jesus gave somebody one too many swirlies and purple nurples back in grade school and now somebody has "issues".

   Let's see, poor bobby b bumblebutt had to sit in church when he was growing up. Awwwwww. So sad. Oh wait, so did 90% of the population out there. And yet what do we have here? There is only on guy having a snit fit here.

  Hey diaperboy, maybe it is YOU. Maybe you are just a whiny pissy diaperboy that needs to shut up. You see anyone else here whining about the "RCC". Drink you Royal Crown Cola and shut up. CryBaby.

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Maybe he hates HEH-soos

Submitted by sentry_99 on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 10:53pm.

I'm thinking he is a raging racist and is confused about who is being discussed.  Some brown skinned kid in grade school named Jesus keep stealing his lunch money and now he is really upset that Jesus not only has his own holiday but an entire religion. 

Phone calls to the Maury show for a bully confrontation have not been returned.

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You Know What Is So Funny About This...

Submitted by DaMama on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:13pm.

What is really funny is that in Africa, they don't understand why African Americans celebrate "Kwanzaa". 

Kwanzaa is Swahili for "first fruits".  It is not a holiday or a celebration anywhere in Africa.  It is a made-up holiday by some disgruntled African American guy who didn't want to celebrate the white mans "God".  I have been to Africa, and have discussed this with many friends of mine.  They think it is funny that African Americans would celebrate this during Christmas.   Around a discussion table, one man laughed so hard at the "ignorance" of African Americans.

Many Africans celebrate Christmas, and do not consider this a white man's holiday. 

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In Africa....

Submitted by almostacowboy on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:24pm.

they don't even know what an "African-American" is. They think it's an Afrikaaner (white South African Dutchman) who moved to the U.S.

Botswana

RSA

Zimbabwe (Rhodesia)

Namibia

Tanzania

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The creator of Kwanzaa was

Submitted by Satchmo on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:25pm.

The creator of Kwanzaa was not African American. Black, yes; African American, no.

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Please folks, please consult Incestmopedia

Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 12:10am.

BEFORE posting ignorant comments.

Only then may we find the true path to enlightenment and knowledge.

"Amber, are you done with your little shower yet?"

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I'm curious, I wonder how

Submitted by rbosque on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 12:11pm.

I'm curious, I wonder how often the media portray Islam and their "holidays" in a positive light vs Christmas. We already know how they promote secular humanism and socialism....
 

"It may be true that you can't fool all the people all the time, but you can fool enough of them to rule a large country"......Will Durant
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You raise an interesting point

Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:42pm.

As far as the visual media like TV go, I would imagine that producers have difficulty with the imagery necessary to present stories the way they are accustomed.

Most religions have iconic imagery.  In Christianity, there's the Crucifix, images of Christ, the virgin Mary, churches and cathedrals, etc.  And Christmas tradition has added more.  Judaism has the Star of David, the menorrah, the yarmulka, etc.

In Islam, icons are strictly prohibited.  No images of Mohammed.  No symbols.  Even an actor portraying Mohammed risks having a death sentence placed on his head. 

Without that imagery, telling the story becomes more difficult for Westerners schooled in film and television.

And we can't rule out fear.  Some MSMers have admitted that they avoid treating Islam as they do Christianity because even innocently getting it wrong can cost them their lives.

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Here in L.A.......

Submitted by almostacowboy on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:27pm.

KNX-1070, the local ABC affiliate, plays the call to prayer at sundown everyday during Kwan.... I mean, during ramadan.

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turning the corner

Submitted by SouthJersey1953 on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 12:51pm.

The media may not have made the turn yet, but I have noticed more stores selling Christmas trees this year (as opposed to holiday trees) and I have noticed "Christmas" in more ads and displayed in more stores this year than in previous years. I have also heard more sales clerks say "Merry Christmas" at the end of their transactions.

I think, in general, people are tired of the PC approach to Christmas and have started to return to the traditional approach....not sure how long it will be before the MSM follows suit.

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It's not a Holiday it's Christmas

Submitted by TerryWest on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:24pm.

I am tired of hearing the word " Holiday" not only by retail stores advertizing through the media encouraging me to come spend my " Christmas" gift money in their stores but news anchors and the media as a whole as well. These retail stores are reaching out to the majority who are spending for "Christmas" after all.... say it! say the word  Christmas! Not just as I swipe my debit card but when directing their desire through the media towards us to come spend our Christmas gift money in their store's. If these retail stores are so afraid to use the word and respect the tradition of the majority they are targeting then perhaps our money should be spent else where and they can see what their books look like come Jan from the "Holiday" sales    It begins to feel as if I live in the UK and getting ready for a summer vacation holiday instead of Christmas, this attempt to water down and melt away a celebration, tradition and belief in a bundle of nonsense spin is maddning.   
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As an atheist-Jew, I still

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:15pm.

As an atheist-Jew, I still celebrate Christmas without Christ, but I'm not the media.

Well, I work in media, but the last I heard our Christmas episode wasn't Jesus driven.  

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Question Ted

Submitted by sentry_99 on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:18pm.

I'm not trying to be a smart ass but how can you be an athiest-Jew?? One is the belief in no religion and the other is a religion. 

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Sorry, I accidentally posted

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:21pm.

Sorry, I accidentally posted below.  This new format tricks me every time I see the message box at the bottom of the page.  

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SP reference

Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:24pm.

it almost sounds like he's part of the anti-semitic chapter of Judiasm.

-Jon

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What is anti-semitic about

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:28pm.

What is anti-semitic about atheism?

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SP Reference

Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:37pm.

South Park Reference.

-Jon

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Being a Jew....

Submitted by almostacowboy on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:29pm.

...is not just a religion. Even God knows all Jews aren't religious, but the Jews are, after all, God's chosen people.
 

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A Jewish state....

Submitted by sentry_99 on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:33pm.

of mind maybe but it's not a race or something that can be scientifically passed down.

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*

Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:22pm.

*

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The Jews don't let anyone

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:20pm.

The Jews don't let anyone go!

My limited understanding of my ancestors' religion is that Judaism is in your blood, and there is no escaping it.

In other words, I don't believe in Judaism any more than I believe in other religions, but apparently I'm Jewish enough for Hitler to have sent me to the gas chambers.  

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Religion in the blood?

Submitted by sentry_99 on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:25pm.

I always hear people saying they are half jewish or a quarter jew and I find it odd.  It seems as hated as Hitler was, many people still follow his propoganda that Jews are a race that can be exterminated.

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i found this little

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:28pm.

i found this little tidbit:

The Torah does not specifically state anywhere that matrilineal descent should be used; however, there are several passages in the Torah where it is understood that the child of a Jewish woman and a non-Jewish man is a Jew, and several other passages where it is understood that the child of a non-Jewish woman and a Jewish man is not a Jew.

My mother's mother was a Jew, making my mother Jewish, as well as me.  Though I suppose the ancestral line ends with me.  

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Nice tidbit

Submitted by sentry_99 on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:34pm.

I was thinking more along the lines of genetics.  This link has a few answers and I think the website name...jewfaq.org is kind of funny.

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Good link for both of us.

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:00pm.

Good link for both of us.  Thanks.

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Not exactly propaganda.

Submitted by almostacowboy on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:36pm.

The Jews are a distinct "nation" and ethnoreligious group who kept themselves separate from the un-circumcised (non-believers).

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Got it

Submitted by sentry_99 on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:37pm.

Guys who practiced Judaism with no foreskin...copy.

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Well. That is shocker.

Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 10:32pm.

We just now find out Dead Zippers is an atheist. And Jewish by birth. And he works in Hollywood.

Oh wait. He says that EVERY FREAKING DAY.

Go away nwahs.

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Speaking of members who say

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 1:32pm.

Speaking of members who say the same thing every freaking day...

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Whatever. Fill your diapers again.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 1:47pm.

 Oh dear, I dared to respond to you again. Wow. What a word bully I am. Say something that substitutes for wit now.

  Or. Or. Or. You could change your name to a copycat of mine, threaten to keep it that way unless I submit to your terms, get dared by me to keep it that way and told to shove your terms up your butt, change it back once you realize it is gonna backfire badly, whine that you did not actually copycat my name, whine that you did not try to blackmail me, cry like the girlyman you are and the lie lie lie about the whole thing until everyone and his brother is convinced you are a pernicious little snit that needs to go away.

  Whatever. nwahs. Whiny snit.

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Did your bold button break?

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 1:50pm.

Did your bold button break?

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Yep.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 1:55pm.

That would substitute for wit all right.

Whatever nwahs. Here comes the Dead Zippers Me Me Me SnitStorm. I dared to say something the antithetical troll didn't like.

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Hey Vet, I just started a new

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:05pm.

Hey Vet, I just started a new Christmas forum.  Maybe you'd like to join in?

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war on christmas

Submitted by el riot on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:28pm.

The "war on Christmas" is ridiculous (see video here http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-december-6-2010/the-gretch-who-saved-the-war-on-christmas).

The birth of Jesus isn't the most important Christian holiday, Easter is. Jesus wasn't born on December 25. There is absolutely nothing that supports this. So then why do we celebrate Jesus' birthday on Dec. 25? because Christians wanted to convert other religions mainly Pagans to Christianity. Humans have been celebrating on Dec 25 thousands of years before Jesus was even born. Early Christians didn't even celebrate the birth of Jesus until 400 years after the fact, and since they didn't know when he was born they decided to celebrate his birth during the Pagan celebrations. 

In fact, none of the Christmas traditions have nothing to do with Christianity at all. Christmas lights, gift giving, Christmas trees, Santa Claus and more. We hang Christmas lights not to guide Santa to our homes, Pagans lit candles and fires during their winter solstice celebrations to symbolizes the darkest day of the year. They would keep these fires lit for days until they could see the days begin to get darker later, usually around four days later on Dec. 25th when they would celebrate. 

The war on Christmas in nonsense. In fact early Christians in America banned Christmas celebrations because of its debauchery.  The war on Christmas is ridiculous. The only aspect of Christmas that is religious is its name. 

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Indeed

Submitted by Bobby B. Bobberson on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:57pm.

I'm glad someone else knew this and shared it with this rediculous site. There is no 'liberal' media; all MSM in the US are simply subsidiaries of multinational corporations who also make weapons and vehicles for war. As such, their media divisions are not allowed to report (or report *much*) on certain topics (like war...). They'd be shooting themselves in the foot if they allowed their media subsidiaries to report truthfully.

As for Yule, it was a secular festival celebrated every year to mark the winter solstice; the RCC stole it around 380 and (under threat of death) ordered pagans to call it 'christ's mass' instead. (They also stole the Spring Equinox and called it 'Easter' as well as Valentine's Day, a Roman spring festival in mid-February.)

Because I guarantee you jebus never saw an evergreen tree; there's not one within 5000 miles of the DESERT called 'the middle east.'

There is no god.

Get over it.

EVOLVE.

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Wow

Submitted by sentry_99 on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:06pm.

Nothing brings out the trolls like Religion.  That intellectual superiority you're pushing took a hit with your "rediculous" spelling. 

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Dear BoobyB: 5000 miles? Ever hear of a cedar?

Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:18pm.

You know, those evergreens that are all over the middle east? How about a stone pine?

Now go ahead, shoot your mouth off again.

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~Hahahahahahaha!

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:44pm.

Wonder if he's ever heard of the cedars of Lebanon.

Judges 9:15 "The bramble said to the trees, 'If in truth you are anointing me as king over you, come and take refuge in my shade; but if not, may fire come out from the bramble and consume the cedars of Lebanon.'
1 Kings 5:6 "Now therefore, command that they cut for me cedars from Lebanon, and my servants will be with your servants; and I will give you wages for your servants according to all that you say, for you know that there is no one among us who knows how to cut timber like the Sidonians."

Psalm 104:16 The trees of the LORD drink their fill, The cedars of Lebanon which He planted

Ezek. 17:22 " 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I myself will take a shoot from the very top of a cedar and plant it; I will break off a tender sprig from its topmost shoots and plant it on a high and lofty mountain. 23 On the mountain heights of Israel I will plant it; it will produce branches and bear fruit and become a splendid cedar. Birds of every kind will nest in it; they will find shelter in the shade of its branches. 24 All the trees of the field will know that I the LORD bring down the tall tree and make the low tree grow tall. I dry up the green tree and make the dry tree flourish. " 'I the LORD have spoken, and I will do it.' " (NIV)

Isaiah 2:13 And it will be against all the cedars of Lebanon that are lofty and lifted up, Against all the oaks of Bashan,

Isaiah 14:8 "Even the cypress trees rejoice over you, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, 'Since you were laid low, no tree cutter comes up against us.'

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"All aboard the jebus!"

Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:51pm.

Yeah, but they didn't have ornaments. Maybe that's what he meant lol

Such much for guarantees.

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This has to be satire.

Submitted by Satchmo on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:28pm.

This has to be satire.

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Mr. 3 Days 15 Hours

Submitted by MrShy on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:31pm.

Hey, if I were you -- you know, a typical liberal drone, droning the usual corporations-are-evil, military-complex babble -- I'd go with something other than your actual name for a screen name. I'd be too embarrassed.

Which is why I walk tall and proud prosthelytizing my conservatism under my real name. Which is, as we all know, Mr. Shy.

:)

- Shy Vinyl

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Bobby B.

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:37pm.

Your argument regarding the MSM, it's connection to multinational corporations and how that connection precludes a liberal bias in the media is what we in science like to call a theory.

This site works from the theory that the MSM is liberally biased because the individuals in charge of its day to day operations tend to be liberal. That's an opposing theory.

Let me ask you - how to test two opposing theories?

That's right - you look for empirical evidence.

And what would that empirical evidence consist of? Well, considering we are talking about liberal bias in the news, it would consist of analyzing news stories and checking them for bias.

That's what this site is about. And over the years, I would say that it's compiled a great deal of evidence in support of its theory.

Now if you care to go through all that evidence, post by post, and point out the flaws I'm sure many here would be interested.

I look forward to your analysis.

And by the way, as an agnostic conservative, I would love to see what proof you have that there is no God.

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You should be Fobby F.

Submitted by Jack Bauer on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 3:08pm.

You should be Fobby F. Fobberson, as you are clearly an F student, starting with geography.


All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
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So you are saying

Submitted by Ciampino on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 6:16pm.

that Easter falls on the same day every year? Better do some basic research.

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24enak, You do realize that

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:59pm.

24enak,

You do realize that there is absolutely nothing in your post which actually supports your claim "that "war on Christmas" is ridiculous", right?

I would appear that you saw the word "Christmas" and rather than actually reading Brown's article, you proceeded to post a pretty tired and unoriginal diatribe about the secular aspects of the history of Christmas.

Nice way to let your emotions get the best of you.

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You also realize that there

Submitted by el riot on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 5:55pm.

You also realize that there is absolutely nothing in the bible that supports the idea that Jesus was born on Dec.25 yet millions of Christians think they are celebrating the birth of Jesus when they open presents on the 25th. History and facts supports what I said.
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Don't burn yourself out so soon, Prof. Enak

Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 7:05pm.

We all know that the various calendars have floated around quite a bit. 

It is simplistic... no, insulting... to imply that Christians believe that Dec. 25 is the actual exact historical birth day of Christ.

Now get back on the oxygen, and don't be such a stranger.

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SoL

Submitted by MrShy on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 7:23pm.

My birthday is October 16th.

Sometimes I will celebrate a day or two earlier, or later, because of where the day falls on the year's weekly calendar, or just because it's a scheduling thing with friends. Or sometimes I just prefer to celebrate not EXACTLY on my day for any multitude of reasons.

Is this okay? Or does this point to a deeper issue, and possibly some ignorance I have with regards to my day of birth and what it means/doesn't mean?

Help me out. Thanks.

- Confused Shy

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I personally don't care when

Submitted by el riot on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 8:36pm.

I personally don't care when you celebrate your own birthday. My point is that the only thing religious about Christmas is it's name and the whining ever year by conservatives and Christians is dumb. Tell me what exactly does Jesus have to do with the traditional christmas celebrations? He has nothing to do with it so the reason the media doesn't mention jesus name during the holidays ( please freak out because I said holiday instead on christmas) is because he plays no part in the holidays celebration.
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That was a true masterpiece, Professor Enak

Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:38pm.

However, I am glad to see you that you have made at least a partial recovery from that unfortunate incident.

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I personally don't care

Submitted by 26CX on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:42pm.

what you think about anything.

Get professional help before it's too late.

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Shy

Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:33pm.

My birthday is Oct. 13 and I have had birthday celebrations on your birthday, Oct. 16.

This is not because you a religious icon in my family, but because half of my family (the wife's) persist in adhering to the Mayan calendar. 

The rest of us are straight Gregorians.

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Just in case anyone is

Submitted by Jer on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:44pm.

Just in case anyone is interested, my birthday was in May but I'm still accepting gifts.

Jer

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Jer, Happy Birthday. I've sent you out a nifty CO2 test kit

Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 12:15am.

in case you ever get locked in the garage with the car running.

It could save your life.

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Much obliged, buddy... Now,

Submitted by Jer on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 12:36am.

Much obliged, buddy...

Now, as I understand it, if the test reveals CO2 levels to be severely elevated, Doctor Enak recommends breathing directly from the car's exhaust.  Got it.

Thank God he's back.

Jer

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24enak, Again, how exactly

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 7:54pm.

24enak,

Again, how exactly does that - or anything else you have written - support your dismissal of the argument that the media downplays the religious aspects of Christmas?

Here - let me help you out. "Um, it doesn't. I just felt like going off on an unoriginal rant about the secular foundations of Christmas to make myself feel superior to all those dumb Christians."

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Because there is no religious

Submitted by el riot on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 8:46pm.

Because there is no religious aspect to Christmas that is exactly my point. The war on Christmas is stupid. Tell me which parts of Christmas is religious? Not the lights, tree, exchanging gifts, Yule log, mistletoe, Santa claus. Christmas is religious in name, and name only.
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CO2 boy, Santa Claus is

Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 10:48pm.

CO2 boy, Santa Claus is another name for St. Nicholas, a real, Christian person.   All the things associated with Christmas, for Christians, are done to celebrate the birth of our Lord. 

But figure that CO2 thing out before you try anything as complex and religion.

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The myth of Santa claus has

Submitted by el riot on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:05pm.

The myth of Santa claus has many origins, st. Nicholas being one. There is also sinter klaus, Chris Kringle, Odin, and others depending on the region. There is nothing about Santa claus that is religious in any way.
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CO2 boy you are grasping at

Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:11pm.

CO2 boy you are grasping at straws, the difference between CO and CO2 yet?
 

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Rad: LOL!!!

Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:23pm.

Some of us still remember.

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You need to source this crap

Submitted by sentry_99 on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:19pm.

St. Nick is the same as sinterklaas (Dutch for St. Nick) and Chris Kringle or (Krist Kindl or CHRIST CHILD) is just another name.  I see nothing about ODIN other than parallels drawn.  Not sure how a Hunting party equates to St. Nick.

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Speaking of Santa,

Submitted by 26CX on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:31pm.

who could ever forget this scandal involving the Jolly One?

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Prof. Enak,

Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:45pm.

Instead of jerking off in a booth in your local adult bookstore over this Christmas season as you usually do, maybe you should consider visiting a church to discover the true meaning of the season.

Then get back to us and tell us how Christmas has nothing to do with religion.

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24enak, You are honestly

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:57pm.

24enak,

You are honestly trying to argue that Christmas has no religious meaning because you can point to secular aspects of its history.

How stupid are you?

I'm an agnostic and I love Christmas.

I feel sad for you.

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On a scale of one to ten? Ten.

Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:59pm.

.

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24enak, by the way - you

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 12:03am.

24enak,

by the way - you still haven't explained how your grumpy view of Christmas has anything to do with the idea that the MSM has been minimizing the role of religion in Christmas.

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I don't have a grumpy view of

Submitted by el riot on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 12:16am.

I don't have a grumpy view of Christmas I love and celebrate Christmas every year. I get upset at the false outrage by conservatives and the non-existence war on christmas.
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24enak, Care to cake me up

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 12:18am.

24enak,

Care to take me up on my offer?

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Attention jwf, DM made a

Submitted by el riot on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 12:27am.

Attention jwf, DM made a mistake please go out of your way to ridicule him.
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24enak, what mistake?

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 12:29am.

24enak,

what mistake?

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"Care to cake me up?"

Submitted by el riot on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 12:46am.

"Care to cake me up?"
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24enak, That aside. Want

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 12:50am.

24enak,

That aside.

Want to have a discussion or what?

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You had a typo and need to be ticked on mercilessly.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 1:31am.

   At least, wait, holy crap, I said ticked, I mean picked. Hee Hee Hee. Here I am talking about your typos and wow, I do one myself.

  Now, let's get down to brass tacks. 24enak is one of the stupidest trolls here. He posted some insanely stupid posts a while back, can't spell for poo, and did not waste too much time on the other aspects of the English language as written. Whereas you and I spent at least 12 years learning the spoken and written English language, and are made to feel like we wasted that time when an idiot like 24enak comes along and expects us to tolerate his wanton stupidity.

  He like other trolls, most especially Dead Zippers, feel that since their entire history has been erased and we can't look up their Stupid anymore, they feel it is the perfect opportunity to pick back up where they left off on the climb up the Stupid stairs.

 24enak as I remember is one of the stupidest trolls eveh. And memorable Stupid too. Not just run of the mill Stupid. That is why people call him Professor and remind him of his UberStupid statement about people commiting suicide via Carbon Dioxide poisoning by sitting in a closed garage with the car engine running. That was not a typo. It was intentional. He is that friggin' stupid.

 But whatever, you had a typo and I need to browbeat you like you is stupid. So shut your word hole and listen. Don't do that again Mister Sister! There, the word bully has put you in your place.

Sincerely,

Particularly the Vet.

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Instead of saying carbon

Submitted by el riot on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 1:58am.

Instead of saying carbon monoxide I said carbon dioxide that's the stupidest thing you heard on NB? you know that's not true. I am by far not the worse speller here either but you only ridicule those you disagree with, funny how that works. That's what a lot of you do I do not want to or can't have a serious argument so I will just point out irrelevant spelling or grammatical mistakes. Do I make mistakes sure, so excuse me if I don't double check my sentence structure for my comments on a website. Please continue to poof reed everything I right. Your wasting your time not mine.
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Yeah, we pick on people that have one little grammatical error.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:58am.

  That is how it works. Not because they come here hauling a dumptruck of Stupid. We pick on you because you made one simple mistake.

  Another Butt Hurt trollie whining because someone called him on his stupid.

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~Small point

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 9:50am.

Very small. Infinitestimal, really.

Prof. Enak made his tiny little irrelevant slip on a global warming thread. He can't try to hide his stupid behind, "Oh, did I accidentally type "dioxide" instead of "monoxide?". He was mewling and puking about the eeeeeeeeeevils of CO2 when he told us all to lock ourselves in the garage if we thought CO2 was harmless. That level of stupid can only be described with asterisks.

I just wanted to put that out there for anyone who didn't have the good fortune to be there at the time. LOL

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Yes.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 10:21am.

It was not a grammatical error as the butt hurt troll would have us believe. The entire community does not pound on a poor trollie for a simple mistake. He meant what he said and he left because of the shame.

Ladies and Gentlemen. This quote is indeed gone viral worldwide for the Collosal Stupid from whence it originated. I now present you the actual stupid ----

CO2 is a dangerous gas, if you don't believe go sit in your running vehicle in the garage for a couple of hours. 

Yes. It was found at treehugger.com. Even tree huggers find him stupid.

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Looks like you added a new tittle after your name 24enak.

Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 12/18/2010 - 1:49am.

24enak, Stupid, Idiot, LIAR.

What makes you think you can get away with LYING to us now?

24enak: Instead of saying carbon monoxide I said carbon dioxide... 

That is a LIE. You deliberately said CO2 thinking that was the molecule that will kill you in a closed space with a car engine running.

We were not sitting around discussing the benigniness of the CO molecule. How useful and fun it is. The discussion was the greenhouse gas molecule Carbon Dioxide.

Now you LIE and try to claim you meant to tell us how dangerous Carbon Monoxide right out of the blue during a discussion on Carbon Dioxide? LIE.

Take off for another year. Your Stupidity is bad enough. We don't need you compounding it by LYING right in our faces.

LIAR.

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I promise to be nice. Plus,

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 12:25am.

I promise to be nice.

Plus, as an agnostic, I'll respect your views.

Unfortunately that means I'll respect the views of those with faith.

So what do you say?

You can prove to me how God doesn't exist.

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You think I've been

Submitted by el riot on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 12:43am.

You think I've been disrespectful? No one can prove god does or doesn't exist I don't think there is a god(s). The biggest reason that I don't believe in god is the fact that there are and have been thousands of different kinds of religions. The notion of one god would be more believable to me if there was only one religion on earth. So if there is only one god, let's say the monotheistic image of god, and he created man then why are there so many different religions? Why does religion vary from all corners of the earth? How do we know the Egyptians or the Romans or the Aztecs religions were wrong?
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24enak, You putting down

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 12:55am.

24enak,

You putting down Christmas.

Yes, you were disrespectful.

And you know you were, so don't act all surprised like. It's insulting.

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How am I putting down

Submitted by el riot on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 1:38am.

How am I putting down Christmas? Because i said Jesus wasn't born on Dec 25 which there is zero proof historically or biblically. Or the fact the religion plays a very small roll in the celebration of Christmas for most people. I could be disrespectful I could say Xmas or merry winter solstice but I haven't. I don't care if people say happy holidays instead of merry Christmas it doesn't bother me and frankly I have no idea why it bothers conservatives at all every year. That fact that you call me disrespectful without calling out others who have been much more disrespectful to me like saying I was "jacking off in a adult store" says a lot about you. You only call me disrespectful because you disagree with me, call a spade a spade show some consistency.
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24enak, Mixing me with

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 1:45am.

24enak,

Mixing me with someone else as far as the jacking off comment. But whatever.

Prove to me that God does not exist.

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Told ya. The Stupid train has an express stop in his front yard.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 1:48am.

   He does that a lot. Gets confused on who or what said what when and where. Mouse buttons and scrolling confuses hims as well.

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I didn't say that you said

Submitted by el riot on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:08am.

I didn't say that you said that I said others, as in not you. If there was one god there would be one religion, though in the case of monotheism it would be three main religions. But there are and have been thousands of religions and many gods. It is easier to prove there is no god than prove there is one. I believe in the theory of evolution which has a lot of evidence to support it.
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OK - you are an atheist. So

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:17am.

OK - you are an atheist.

So I'm offering you a forum to prove that.

Don't know what evolutionary theory has to do with that but if that's part of your argument, I look forward to it.

The Off-Topic Forum on this site?

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You don't know what evolution

Submitted by el riot on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:43am.

You don't know what evolution has to do with the question if there is a god? Man evolved over millions of years he wasn't created by god, in my humble opinion, all due respect of course.
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24enak, I would love to

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:50am.

24enak,

I would love to discuss this within a forum topic - care to join me?

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24enak OK  - so I'll start

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:53am.

24enak

OK  - so I'll start a topic here where you prove to me that there is no god - we on board with that?

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Hey Stupid, your book of Stupid is full.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:17am.

  And we don't feel like starting a 2nd volume today.

I didn't say that you said that I said others, as in not you. -- I didn't say that you said that I said to say at SingSong that you are a Rock Stupid Slimy Slug.

Idiot. Still having problems with English. How did that sentence even remotely relate to what HydrodynDM posted?

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who is elric of melnibone

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:29am.

who is elric of melnibone

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Dude. It is a line from a song by Blue Öyster Cult

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 3:15am.

  It struck me as pertinent a long long ling time ago as we have these little psychic wars with liberal trolls here. See. A veteran of a 1000 psychic wars. Nice Song. Nice Movie. Had to do something with my sig line. Seemed good. And it stuck. People started calling me Vet and as I am a 20 year Navy veteran, I did not argue.

 Soooooooo... During another back and forth with a troll, said troll mentions I like Michael Moorcock. Ok Dokey. Whatever. Look it up and hey, that seems really pertinent too. So I copied this little blurb from the website because it explained the song and I really liked that whole Eternal Champion after many exhausting trials and tribulations in the endless war between Law and Chaos part.

 There we go. All on the same page. Kinda curious why you would be hitting the About Me page now. We have interacted before. On a few AGW threads. And I did used to have enormous respect for you prior to the practically potshot but whatever, it is cool baby.

 Should I look at my buddy requests? Is that why you were hitting the About Me page?

 And if you were serious... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elric_of_Melnibon%C3%A9

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Sir, I'm not doggin' you on

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 3:41am.

Sir,

I'm not doggin' you on your choice of SN or quotes.

I've been here a while and so have you.

You have a style I don't dig. I think it sometimes makes this place look stupid.

But that's just my opinion.

But it aint up to me say whats what.

I appreciate you even commenting to me - I figured someone like me was invisible to you.

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Ok.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 5:48am.

  I read into it wrong I guess. Anyways. I explained it. Sorry.

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His post implied that he

Submitted by el riot on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:35am.

His post implied that he thought I was referring to him when I said others were being more disrespectful towards me in regards to the jerking off comment. But I know he didn't say that to me someone else did. Jwf you have provided nothing to this argument, other than your superb proof reading skills and mastery of the English language.
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24enak , so want to go or

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:38am.

24enak ,

so want to go or what?

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I am going to bed. You had

Submitted by el riot on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:53am.

I am going to bed. You had plenty of time to debate what I've written but your have provided no counterarguments. Good knight. (you too jwf ).
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just created a topic for you

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 3:00am.

just created a topic for you

 

I'm sure you will get into more detail later.

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With all due respect.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 3:31am.

  And I feel I have to say that every time I respond to you now.

  Trolls, even very very very stupid trolls like 24enak, need the attention they get from their asinine antithetical posts, even if it is all of the dumber than a box of rocks variety. Visiting and posting in a forum downstairs will bring the attention of only a few. And that is not what trolls are about. They need that troll ego fed. Their ego starves in the real world, no one will have a thing to do with them.

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Professor enak,---

Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:10am.

I'll give you consistency:

Rolls are edible pastries. 
Roll call is a formation to check off attendees.
Roll can refer to something that is 'rolled' up.
Roll can be a sound produced by rapid strokes on a drum
-or-
Roll is a verb meaning to impel forward by causing to turn over and over on a surface.  Or axis.
Roll could mean to form into a mass by turning over and over

Now, to your way of thinking (a term I use very loosely in regard to you), religion has a very small "roll" amongst the revelers celebrating Christmas.

Your thinking, just like your description of dying from CO2 poisoning in a garage with a motor vehicle running, is a bit off.

Religion plays a role in Christmas; quite a large role in fact, in the world of the sentient.

Too bad you don't have access to that world.

MD


 


 

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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Thanks for continuing to make

Submitted by el riot on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:25am.

Thanks for continuing to make my point. Again your wasting your time not mine.
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Now that is as pat a reply as I have ever---

Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 3:22am.

received.

While I certainly cannot continue to make a point for you, seeing as how you made none in the first place, I will admit that trading posts with a bonehead is quite likely a waste of my time.

'S okay.

I am retired.

I have lots and lots of time.

Enough to get a pool going to see if you ever top that incredibly stupid remark about vehicles parked in garages with their engines running, and carbon dioxide.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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24enak, So beyond that, can

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 12:56am.

24enak,

So beyond that, can you prove that unicorns don't exist?

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Stop lying hydro

Submitted by shawn. on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 1:55am.

They do too exist. Same with the tooth fairy. When I was 7 years old I put my tooth under the pillow and the next day my tooth was gone and there was shiny quarter in the tooths place. How do u explain that genius? ;-)
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shawn

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:03am.

we are trying to have a serious discussion here - don't need you being flippant

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Ouch

Submitted by shawn. on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:11am.

I have tried to have a serious discussion with Mr Enak in the past. Did not work out so well. I was just having a little fun. Sorry for the interupting your discussion. Good night.
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shawn

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 3:02am.

It's all good :)

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Your the one who brought up

Submitted by el riot on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:12am.

Your the one who brought up unicorns.
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Hey, the one man brain trust is back

Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 10:38pm.

Hey, how is that whole CO2 thing in your garage working out for you? Remember? You left your car running in the garage and the CO2 almost killed you?

Yeah, not the Carbon Monoxide that builds up in a closed garage. Genious here says it is the Carbon Dioxide that kills you.

We thought you were gone for good brain trust.

Tell us about the deadly CO2 brain trust. Please.

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Careful, Vet, he's still in a delicate state

Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:46pm.

Anything may set him off.

Oops, too late.

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24enak, OK, lets start our

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 12:08am.

24enak,

OK, lets start our own forum topic about religion.

You up for it?

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Well, Hydro, considering Enak can only type 9 sentences per day

Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 12:21am.

before the seizures start, it may be more of an investment on your part than you'd be willing to commit.

 

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SickoLibs, I'm trying to

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 12:27am.

SickoLibs,

I'm trying to draw him into a conversation :)

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No. I got things to do like

Submitted by el riot on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 12:22am.

No. I got things to do like get ready for a Christmas party I'm cooking. I am atheist. I have read the old and new testament and the koran and all three have more in common than they have differences.
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24enak, Prove to me that

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 12:33am.

24enak,

Prove to me that God does not exist.

I look forward to your forum topic on this.

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I know you don't like my style of ticking on trolls.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 1:41am.

  Dang it, why can't I stop doing that. PICKING on trolls. P. P. P.

  I gotta tell you, wasting your time trying to draw them in and get them to listen is kinda wasting our time as well. 24enak is here to tell YOU how it is not to listen or maybe learn something. You might try talking to that Bobble B Bobblehead that has been here for 3 hours. But it is a complete waste of time when it comes to a troll that has been here spreading his special brand of Stupid for years and got so humiliated by it, he took some time of for a  retard retreat back in Mordor to stock up.

 But yeah, my style sucks so I will be off now.

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Vet, You are right - I

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 1:52am.

Vet,

You are right - I don't like your style.

But who cares.

You do things your way and I do them my way.

So how about we stay out of each other's way?

Cool with you?
 

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I friggin' knew it.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:44am.

 You don't like me.

 That aside, he was my troll first. So no. You are blocking me.

Anyway, you have already schooled him and failed to get him to learn the first thing.

http://www.gigablast.com/get?q=hydrodynDM+24enak+site:newsbusters.org&c=main&d=108970414754&cnsp=0

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Vet, I don't like your

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:48am.

Vet,

I don't like your style on NB - that's all.

I don't know you.

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See. I am fallible boys and girls.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 3:44am.

  I did know hydrodynDm. I like him. Seen and interacted with him on several AGW threads. No, more than several. Called for him even a few months ago. Someone was making the argument about CO2 on mars and venus and I knew he could explain it best. He showed up a little while later. Yep. I knew hydrodynDm. I remembered. He never insulted me before. I remember.

 But whatever. Huh? Kick me because you don't remember. Hey, look at me, how stupid I was, I had to check my buddy list after the Particularly dig. I thought you were on it, that is how much we interacted and how much I liked you. How stupid was I?

 But whatever. Looks like 24enak has some company. The Vet is going have lunch with him on this issue.

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Vet, You don't know me.

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 4:04am.

Vet,

You don't know me.

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Now I am starting to get offended.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 4:32am.

  What do you mean by that? That we have not interacted? Or am I now to be expected to deeply know you the anonymous moniker on the internet?

 We. Have. Interacted. Please. Stop. Insulting. Me. By. Claiming. We. Have. Not . Met.

 You have a fairly in depth knowledge when it comes to AGW. We have interacted. I know your name. Now stop insulting me by saying I don't know you. Or explain the friggin' sentence because I don't know what the hell you are talking about.

 I do know you. We have met. online. At Newsbusters. So what in the hell are you talking about?

 Because if as you claim I don't know you, then why the kick in the nads yesterday?

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Vet, be offended you and

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 4:57am.

Vet,

be offended

you and I have never engaged in a conversation

I find your style of posting embarrassing to this website

but like I said, who the hell am I - no one

so ignore me
 

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Just sayin

Submitted by sentry_99 on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 5:07am.

This thread shows interaction. Not sure what constitutes conversation in your mind.

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sentry_99

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 5:13am.

are you trying to make right by us?

I would link to actual conversations on this website I've been involved in but they have all been wiped away.

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sentry_99 nailed it.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 5:23am.

 We have interacted. And that is on the new NewsBusters. Like I said, I blew away the Woodshed forum where I actually was nice to a troll like you wanted and he ended up being so obtuse and smarmy I said to hell with it a blew it away.

 Thanks sentry_99. I thought I was going crazy there for awhile.

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DM

Submitted by sentry_99 on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 5:33am.

You are a very reasonable and intelligent poster. You always have a good arguments and are usually respectful to all, even the nastiest trolls.  You speak softly

Vet, on the other hand, strikes forcefully and with power.  He is the big stick.

You both have roles to play.  Let us hold hands and sing kumbaya.

PS...In case you wondered, I am the skinny little creep that toe kicks them when they are already down and pose no threat.

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sentry_99, I appreciate

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 5:50am.

sentry_99,

I appreciate your comment - I really do - but I think Vet makes too much noise with his stick.

I might be in for some flak for finally speaking my mind.

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Well DM

Submitted by sentry_99 on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 6:28am.

Ole Mike Bratton had a forum for such a situation.  You should have used that avenue for speaking your mind as it would have been more appropriate.  I guess there is always the woodshed.

 

PS...looking over the thread again, I think maybe you had a shitty day or something.  You jumped on Shawn for being "flippant" so that's my best guess.  That or you really hate this 24enak guy and want him all to yourself.

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Dude. Relax.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 7:01am.

 You ain't the only one that thinks I take it too far. We can agree to disagree for heaven's sake.  Just remember when we interact is all I ask. I did know you. Even if you did not remember me.

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You are right. I don't know you.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 5:17am.

I can only guess now since the history is gone after the change-over and what I can found. I responded to you but you never responded back.

There was the woodshed forum I made for troglodyt about AGW. I do remember you being in there. But that is gone too.

So I will reluctantly agree with you. I don't know you, I have evidence I have responded to you, so the best I can say is I know of you. 

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2010/11/07/here-we-go-again-climate-taxes-table-accompanied-usual-media-slant#comment-1377864

http://www.gigablast.com/get?q=hydrodynDM+jwf+site:newsbusters.org&c=main&d=183559377559&cnsp=0

http://www.gigablast.com/get?q=hydrodynDM+jwf+site:newsbusters.org&c=main&d=223130833569&cnsp=0

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Vet, Doing your typical

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 5:45am.

Vet,

Doing your typical search and link on me?

Me?

You more than insult, sir.

When I logged off, I actually second guessed myself for calling you out - now I know I was right.

You contribute nothing to this site.

Keep to chasing trolls.

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Dude. Relax.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 7:03am.

  I searched for JWF and HydrodynDM. I was looking for when you and I interacted. Sheesh. What the hell man? I did a search of when we interacted. I found a few but I did not see where there was a back and forth. That was it.

  You are getting all ticked off because I did that? For the love of gawd, you have the patience of a saint in dealing with a troll but I try to find out when we interacted because you say I don't know you and you skitz out?

Wow. Whatever. Seriously? I do a simple search to see when you and I interacted here and your completely flip out?

Whatever. You do contribute. I won't go down the same path. And oddly, I still respect you. But that is only after I find out I was right for heavens sake. I knew you. You should have known me and at the very least remembered we met for heaven's sake. And now you skitz out because I try to prove I was not crazy after you call me crazy?

Wow.

Now I am confused again. Did you think I was crawling through your history looking for something you said? I was looking for 2 things on a page. The word JWF and the word HydrodynDM. And how close together they were. Why the big offense over that? You did say more than once I don't know you and you don't know me. I did remember different. What else was I supposed to do?

No. I am still confused. You said nothing on the linked pages to indicate you are nothing less than an honest intelligent poster. So why the flip out? Did you put something out there you are ashamed of? What? I did a simple search to find out where we interacted.

 

EDIT: HydrodynDM PM'd me. All is forgiven if there was anything to forgive. I was just trying to prove I was not crazy in remembering we had interacted is all.

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No dude

Submitted by sentry_99 on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 7:45am.

I think it's too late to prove you are not crazy.  Good crazy....but crazy (insert ghey emoticon here).

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~ROFL

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 10:15am.

I have read the old and new testament and the koran and all three have more in common than they have differences.

And that, my dear friends, is a classic example of something people in the real world call, "Complete and utter bullsh!t".

All right Prof., back that one up. Cross reference it for us, dahling. Explain to us how the Old Testament, which is full of prophecy regarding the Messiah, and the New Testament, which is written about the Messiah, have anything in common with the Koran, which says things like this:

And they say: The Beneficent God has taken (to Himself) a son. Certainly you have made an abominable assertion. The heavens may almost be rent thereat, and the earth cleave asunder, and the mountains fall down in pieces, that they ascribe a son to the Beneficent God. And it is not worthy of the Beneficent God that He should take (to Himself) a son.
Obama's WTF 2012 campaign slogan: "A dog in every pot"
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Are you trying to start a war?

Submitted by troglodyt on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 6:06pm.

"Jesus wasn't born on December 25. There is absolutely nothing that supports this."

And your point is what exactly? The date is symbolic and by now simply tradition. And as you mentioned Easter, that one is even worse: It's on a different day every year. The same with Pentecost.

"Humans have been celebrating on Dec 25 thousands of years before Jesus was even born."

I doubt that. Rather more likely is that they celebrated the shortest day of the year on the 21st of December.

"In fact, none of the Christmas traditions have nothing to do with Christianity at all."

Although Wittgenstein might have disagreed at some point of his life two negations cancel each other out.

"The war on Christmas in (sic!) nonsense."

So you want to start it? Or how else am I supposed to understand your reference to early settlers banning Christmas in America? 

Clear up your mind. Your typing, not to mention the content, reveal some deep seated confusion. 

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Now recovered from the CO2-asphyxiation-in-the-garage incident,

Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:37pm.

Prof. Poindexter Q. Enak is back... welcome!

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~Hahahahahahaha!

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 8:47pm.

This is the first time he's been back since he humiliated himself. I bet he figured we'd forgotten his, "CO2 is poison. If you don't think so, sit in the garage with your car running and see what happens" rant.

Fat chance. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...
 

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If it was me, I'd have given it a full two years

Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:47pm.

lol

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Christmas Without Christ, however good N' plenty State Religion

Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:51pm.

Just one year ago, we were saved with the great of greats, all caring Mega Obamacare. Love of money, looking forward to the hoped for transfer of funds, for ever and ever. Over 40 million saved...

Worship of that magnitude takes alms from the most/99.9+% /hard workers/ thinkers/ freeman and whipped it into instant new ruling by 70,000 pages of irs edict, sister text the koran where new verses trump older ones, each and  everyday..  Revenue trumps all, deductions.  Looks to me like the 'ol Republic is being swept away.

Holiday tax/fine/fee payer extravaganza 6,900 chunks of PORK

START... Faith in... Oh if there were no nuks, there would be no nuclear war.  Start with that and finish  DEAD last.

Obamic wave of the hand, Oil production in America is instantly on the way down.... Gasoline  price up 33%, All hail green sustainability..Faith, Hope, Change.

No way two Gods er gods can be Worshiped at the same time.

Merry Christmas.

You Didn't Build That.

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The irony is interesting.

Submitted by Satchmo on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 1:54pm.

The irony is interesting. Here we have an author and commentors who default to the liberal position of controlling/dictating content rather than default to a free-market solution. Likewise, they ignore the fact that networks are private business, with the business leaders making decisions about their property.

The free-market solution is simply this: if you truly believe that there is a large segment of consumers out there who have demands not being met, then that presents entreprenuerial opportunity. Create a network to meet those demands; let the free-market decide the winners and losers.

The smaller, and likely easier, free-market solution is that of the role of the consumer: Exercise consumer choice and don't purchase the product. Use the remote and change the channel; find your news elsewhere or don't watch at all.

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irony

Submitted by yutsnark on Sun, 12/19/2010 - 1:40am.

I don't know.  They're complaining about content, but does that really mean they want to control/dictate content?  Maybe they're saying they do want a free market solution, but that liberals in the media are preventing the market from functioning as it should.

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Awwww...

Submitted by Rukus on Sun, 12/19/2010 - 7:47am.

How sweet! Scratch and nutsack are giving each other back rubs, how very special. Hold still while I get my camera...

_____________________________________________________________ I'm not too drunk to dance! It's just that people keep stepping on my hands!
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retards

Submitted by Bobby B. Bobberson on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:17pm.

You retards need to have your articles proofread before you post them online; i've already noted 2 mistakes in this article and I haven't even read the entire thing yet.

Derp derp.

There is no god. Get over it.

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You are right Bobby

Submitted by sentry_99 on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:21pm.

The spelling is "rediculous". 

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Why bother?

Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:24pm.

Why are you here?  If this site is so "rediculous" as you said it, then all you are going to do is provide comedy and entertainment for us here.

We could ignore your incorrectly spelled word, but since you brought up the "2 mistakes" after a "rediculous" one like this, sorry, dude, you're fodder.

-Jon

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Welocome to NewsBusters BoobyBobblehead troll

Submitted by Dave. on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 4:54pm.

And if you are living your life as if there is no God, you'd better hope you're right.

-Dave

Vote for the American in November

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Five hours later: So have you made it to the 8th sentence yet?

Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 7:09pm.

 

The suspense is killing me.

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Sitting in a local cafe, I

Submitted by mrsimele on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:37pm.

Sitting in a local cafe, I noticed something about all the Christmas Music. They were all 50 years old like Sinatra, etc. Did they stop making Christmas music or does the new stuff just suck?
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~New stuff sucks

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 4:52pm.

.
 

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Lady Gaga has a song called

Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 10:44pm.

Lady Gaga has a song called "Christmas Tree".  Not all reflecting the spirit of Christmas, only her own sad moral state.

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~Rad

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:29pm.

One of my favorites.

Something my husband came across, great stuff.

Obama's WTF 2012 campaign slogan: "A dog in every pot"
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Bru - great minds and all.  I

Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:43pm.

Bru - great minds and all.  I love Christmas Canon also!  

Last year my daughter told I had to listen to this group, I groaned thinking it was more of her pop music...It was SNC and I was happily surprised! 

Proud member of the 53%!
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The 12 Days of Winter..

Submitted by upcountrywater on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 3:01am.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zasAMvuy18&feature=player_embedded

You Didn't Build That.

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Since there is no God....

Submitted by almostacowboy on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:41pm.

....why are the Progressive/socialists trying so hard to replace Him with the state?

Psalm 118:8 It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to trust in man.

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I believe it's more of a

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 2:55pm.

I believe it's more of a removal, not replacement.

But you're also confusing liberals and atheists. 

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Are there many conservative

Submitted by TempusFugit on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 6:20pm.

Are there many conservative atheists? I'm sure there are some, but I doubt it's a lot. Since the definition of American Conservatism pretty much includes the Christian Right, most atheists would have a hard time reconciling their belief with the conservative agenda. I think atheist and liberal just kind of goes without saying. I also associate atheists with the liberal activism of getting God out of everything, such as what Madalyn Murray O'Hair did

In Switzerland, they had brotherly love and five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The cuckoo clock! - Orson Welles
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manheim steam roller

Submitted by ripper58 on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 3:02pm.

rocks....http://shop.mannheimsteamroller.com/content/Tour.htm

"I got pie" ...BHO 2011
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Eh...

Submitted by sentry_99 on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 3:12pm.

I prefer TSO....now that ROCKS.

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There is not only a war on

Submitted by mostlymoderate on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 4:23pm.

There is not only a war on Christmas, there is a war on CHRIST.  Period.  Every year the mainstream media dismantles what used to be a "Christian Nation" just a little bit more.  Probably why there is so much pressure to immigrate more and more muslims, like in Europe, into the country.  Eventually, to celebrate Christmas or to wish a "Merry Christmas" will become offensive!  Oh wait, that already happened.

Let's promote homosexuality and sexual deviancy but get rid of Christ.  That's the mainstream media.  Oh, and let's celebrate "diversity" so that eventually Christianity will be gone forever, considering muslims are procreating by about 6 to 1.  Oh let's bring in some B.S. stuff too, like Kwanzaa. 

Also, NO CROSS at the White House but a gigantic menorah is O.K.HERE

Oh, and call it X-Mas whenever you can.  They will get the hint.

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It's almost Christmas!

Submitted by Rukus on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 6:52pm.

And what goes great with Christmas?

Why kids of course!

And pets are pretty good, too!

Merry Christmas all! Even all you trolls!  : )

_____________________________________________________________ I'm not too drunk to dance! It's just that people keep stepping on my hands!
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Wow! When---

Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 12/16/2010 - 11:54pm.

Satchmo - Sasquatchmo - Butt Hurt Troll - Satchel Mouth - Incestmo
&
24enak - Professor Poindexter Q Whats-his-face
&
Bobby B. Bobberson - B.B. Bobberson - Beavis n' Butthead Bobberson

get together, the inanity quotient becomes exponentially greater on one thread  than the output of a weeks worth of  "The View."

The combined goofiness of these three morons even made comments by  the man of a thousand usernames seem rather mundane.

MD 
 

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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Ahh MathewDean*

Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 12:02am.

Though you have provided an excellant summary of the trolls, you will notice you have several references to numbers in your comment. The Jerster should be arriving to reply in 3..2...1...

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cajun---

Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 12:36am.

I think I may have thrown Jer off the scent with "exponentially".   :o)

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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Gigablast off to Stupid City. Next stop 24enak's front yard.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 2:04am.

Gigablast caches for over a year. 24enak has his stored stupid there. Let's look at Stupid's very first day, in one blog only.

Somebodies lying. I dropped a letter. That is called a typo.

August 23, 2009 - 05:32 ET by JWF

   There is a difference between typos and backwards Kane the idiot's special brand of stupid. Get out your scales boys and girls. Put my typo one on side.

Now, let's put 24enak on the other. This is not all of his idiot, this is only from one thread on one day. >>>>>

behave - It's behalf halfwit.

hear - here halfwit.

It is cooties you rock stupid pile of poo.

 

he is no longer their - the word is there idiot.

Micheal Jackson - It's Michael idiot.

natural disaters - disaster idiot.

The same opposite question towards you. - Huh?

in the trenches - What is this? World War I? Idiot.

that prick - watch your language idiot.

inappropiate - inappropriate idiot.

and a punishable offensive, of course it would also be a punishable offensive - punishable offense idiot, offense.

That is stupid and unamerica. - unamerican idiot.

as evident from expulsitions - did you mean expulsion idiot?

trangender - transgender idiot

disobediancy - not even a word idiot.

opionions - do you ever check your what your wrote idiot?

idealostic - did you mean idealistic?

forbiden - forbidden idiot. Unless you work for the Vice President. I work for biden.

intergrated - integrated idiot.

squadrant - squadron idiot.

apealed - did you mean appealed idiot?

Reading seems like a problem for you. - Sort of like spelling is a problem for you?

 Like Jon Stewart said, god forbid the person that can understand terrorist has a boyfriend. - Huh?  Wha... Huh?

No matter how much you torture a foreignor it aint going to make them talk enlish. - Or whatever language it is that you speak, certainly not english. And it is foreigner idiot.

there were gays whom served - who idiot who.

sucessful - successful idiot.

instiution - institution idiot.

evovle - evolve idiot.

arugruement - argument idiot.

we don't know your gay - you're idiot.

Republicnas - cans idiot cans. 


yea. probaly. it is the probaly troll. most definitely. probaly.

August 8, 2009 - 12:48 ET by JWF

Hey stupid, the word is probably.

August 8, 2009 - 11:09 ET by JWF

  How many times are you going to spell the word wrong?

And the fact is more people probaly seen the stunt...

Glenn Beck would probaly cry about. 

live time (probaly, '86,'69) the Cubs 

balanced' one was probaly CNN, with MSNBC

It will be probaly another year or two

This is probaly the least bloodiest war  

Seriously people, he is rock stupid.

he (writers) probaly crossed the line  

 

  Now I ask you guys. Should 24enak be pointing out my typo's?  

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

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Vet, I guess your typos are

Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 5:23pm.

Vet, I guess your typos are all enak has when you point out his many factual errors.  Must suck to be him, especially when you're around.

Keep up the good work.

Proud member of the 53%!
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Vet, I'm willing to give

Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 4:10am.

Vet,

I'm willing to give them a chance.

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