Joe Scarborough Hammers His Crew: 'Name One Tough Vote' the Dems Have Taken on Debt
Joe Scarborough took Morning Joe co-host Mika Brzezinski to task Thursday over the ongoing debt negotiations. "[Republicans] already have given specifics on the Paul Ryan Medicare plan which was political suicide for a lot of Republicans. They took that hard vote. What hard vote have Democrats made on the debt over the past year? Name one. Name one vote" said Scarborough.
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Scarborough's challenge came after Brzezinski groused about the supposed unwillingness of Republicans to negotiate seriously on, and defended President Obama. "You know what, he'll give specifics when the Republicans even come to the table with something" said Brzezinski. She then accused Scarborough of being a flack for the Republican Party. "You are trying to cover for a party that cares more about itself than the country."
Scarborough spent the remainder of the segment hammering away at his panel, and tried to get an answer to his question. "Somebody at this table name one tough vote Democrats have made this year on the debt," said Scarborough.
Only New York Magazine's John Heilemann answered the question meaningfully: he simply (and sheepishly) replied "Nope." Heilemann did, however, also try to deny that the Ryan budget was in any way a tough vote. This view was soon corrected by Sen. Pat Toomey, who was the guest during this segment. "You just ask Nancy Pelosi. She's been celebrating that vote since it was cast. Of course it was a tough vote," said Toomey.
A transcript of the conversation, which aired at 7:46 am Thursday, follows.
MSNCBC
MORNING JOE
07/14/2011
7:46 am EDT
MIKA BRZEZINSKI: The President himself has put things on the table that go directly against his base and are politically dangerous for him, he's done it.
JOE SCARBOROUGH: What are the Specifics?
BRZEZINSKI: Be quiet for a second.
SCARBOROUGH: What are the specifics?
BRZEZINSKI: You know what, he'll give specifics when the Republicans even come to the table with something.
SCARBOROUGH: Actually, they already have given specifics on the Paul Ryan Medicare plan which was political suicide for a lot of Republicans. They took that hard vote. What hard vote have Democrats made on the debt over the past year. Name one. Name one vote.
BRZEZINSKI: I think they're trying to hammer it out right now -
SCARBOROUGH: Name one vote. They've had a year. These are all words. Name one tough- anybody at the table.
BRZEZINSKI: You are trying to cover for a party that cares more about itself than the country.
SCARBOROUGH: Somebody at this table name one tough vote Democrats have made this year on the debt.
CHARLES BLOW: I think you're deflecting. I think you're deflecting -
SCARBOROUGH: You can't. The Democrats have had a year. You can't answer that question.
BLOW: You have the Republicans standing on the center of the table, and anyone sitting at the table and wanting to make up the difference all on the Republican -
SCARBOROUGH: You know Charles, sometimes it's all right just to say "I don't have an answer." Sometimes it's fine.
BLOW: You see, this is classic - this is classic. This is classic Republican circling back, and trying to pull in everything else that's not in these negotiations.
SCARBOROUGH: John Heilemann, give me one vote. Can you name one vote the Democrats have made on the debt? Just one vote. I just want one vote and then I'll say I'm wrong. You can't do it, can you? They haven't put a budget out.
JOHN HEILEMANN: Nope.
SCARBOROUGH: And by the way, this has discussion is never had in mainstream media, and they haven't it all year.
HEILEMANN: All I'll say though is that I'm not sure the vote on the Ryan budget though it turned out to be a political albatross for them. I'm not sure it really qualifies as a tough vote.
SCARBOROUGH: If you're a Senator in Pennsylvania like Pat Toomey and you vote for a Paul Ryan Medicare deal, that I wouldn't have voted for, probably. That is a dangerous vote.
SEN PAT TOOMEY: You just ask Nancy Pelosi. She's been celebrating that vote since it was cast. Of course it was a tough vote.
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LOL
Submitted by Scott Trent on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 5:33pm.
The seas must be parting. MSNBC aired a TRUTH piece. First time in my lifetime somebody on MSNBC finally told the truth. They just may be coming around over there.
Joe will atone
Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 5:39pm.
tomorrow.
WELL!!
Submitted by KornKing on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 5:41pm.
I heard they were working on a plan to ban styrofoam cups from the cafeteria-so there
Joe should have quoted that great contemporary scholar . . .
Submitted by Clemenza on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 5:47pm.
. . . . Archie Bunker.
"Sticks and Stones may break my bones, but Mika,
You are one dumb Pollock."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXAFM3g7qEw
2:48
John Heilmann
Submitted by Texndoc on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 5:47pm.
Why didn't he just walk off stage? "Nope Nope Nope" in little whispers. Pathetic. Anything anti-Republican and he's bouncing up and down like a two year old looking like an ice-cream.
I can't watch this anymore. Can't take Mika and her "Oh, please!" "I just can't!" and the constant eye-rolling.
Look at it this way: their show is broadcast from NYC and nation-wide has the audience totalling about 1/16th of the city it's broadcast from.
But that's her job
Submitted by Galvanic on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:50am.
MIka adds nothing of substance to the discussion; she reads aloud newspaper articles, blog scat, and tweets from the Left. When an actual discussion develops, she utters little quips accompanied by her familiar facial contortions. That's in her job description.
It's also the job description for a ventriloquist's dummy.
This was soooooooo good, I've
Submitted by amyshulk on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 5:55pm.
This was soooooooo good, I've already watched it twice!!! Hey, has anyone noticed how the D's are trying to act like they've been stumping for reduced spending all along? I sure missed it if they really did!!!
Ronald Reagan
The rub, amy...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 6:35pm.
is that a regualr viewer of Morning Joe--as I believe you are--should be aware that Scarborough has been directing similar criticisms at the Dems--repeatedly--for years. Yet such inconvenient facts are only occasionally mentioned at NB which prefers to promote him as an administration and liberal lackey receiving talking points from the White House. Unsurprisingly, most here who are generally subjected to only one (selectively drawn) side of the story believe that to be true
Jer
Unsurprisingly, the same old BS from---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 6:39pm.
a Joe Scarborough loving liberal.
MD
More blather from the guy who apparently
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 6:47pm.
has neve bothered to actually watch the show.
Jer
I have watched the show, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 7:25pm.
and you tell the same BS story every time you post about Scarborough, though I am unsure whether that is primarily as a means to take digs at NB's, or rather as a way to bolster your own credentials as one who takes the occasional shot at miscreants belonging to the same party you do, by describing the Scab in the very same way.
It is obvious that you see Joe Scarborough as some type of caped crusader, cast in the same mold as the person you observe in the mirror.
Conservatives ain't buying what you're selling reference Joe Scarborough.
Apparently the powers that be at NewsBusters aren't either, as they keep putting up such unfair, slanted articles, about your boy.
MD
Jer - I'm not sure if the
Submitted by amyshulk on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 8:11pm.
Jer - I'm not sure if the "vacation" Joe just took went to his head, or if having Toomey there to concisely lay it out did the trick, but Joe WAS fierce! I give him props for it.
I think I noted long ago that he goes with the flow, and as he called it at the end of the show "The Democratic Hour of Power" albeit he was being a tad sarcastic, he *does* realize it.
I give props to liberals that go against the progressives too, but I doubt liberals hold those guys to their bosoms. Seems like you want us to like those YOU like. Now THAT is a liberal tell!!!
Ronald Reagan
amy...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 9:12pm.
This is my point and the primary purpose of my frequent Morning Joe observations which many [incorrectly] interpret as a defense of Scarborough due to his putative "liberalization": My problem is with the persistent effort by NewsBusters to buttress its justiafiable claim of MSNBC's lefty slant by unjustifiably, imo, undermining Scarborough's conservative credentials, whereby Joe's occasional criticisms of Republicans as well as any positive words he utters about Democrats are trumpeted with blaring, provocative headlines, while his trenchant, pull-no-punches attacks on the left are mostly-albeit not always (the present blog for example)-ignored.
It's this type of selective editing and cherry-picked examples which paint an incomplete if not entirely inaccurate portrait of Scarborough and rather than exposing bias, cultivates it.
Jer
As stated by you, Jer, and duly noted---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:29am.
"imo".
- in my opinion -
Indeed.
NB's '--selective editing and cherry-picked examples which paint an incomplete if not entirely (my bold) inaccurate portrait of Scarborough and rather than exposing bias, cultivates it.'
What bullsh*t.
NB's kicks biased liberal media arse all day long, and you come along spouting off like Alan Colmes in order to try and hook up with some type of self aggrandizing moral relevancy.
For out in the open full disclosure on a conservative site, you should type out 'imlo' - in my liberal opinion.
MD
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Isn't that implicit, Matthew?
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:35am.
Just as 'imfownco' (in my far out wacky nutjob conservative opinion) is applicable to you.
;-)
Jer
It wouldn't be implicit, Jer, to anyone---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:58am.
reading through NB threads as a newcomer.
Some of your posts come across as borderline rational to the uninitiated. :o)
MD
Matthew, if there is one thing about which I can be
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 2:07am.
absolutely certain, it is that you will continually remind all members of and visitors to this website that Jer is a "liberal".
:-)
Jer
Just trying to support your ideology in---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 2:12am.
my own humble way, old bean.
MD
Jer - do you ask your local
Submitted by amyshulk on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 4:45am.
Jer - do you ask your local paper to report the positive things in the community on their front page to counteract the negative storyline of the week too? I catch good moments on the various Sunday shows and don't see them posted at NB because they don't fit the purpose of the site - ie: *blatant* liberal bias.
When a defender of R's, as you note Joe is, doesn't defend the R point of view, it gets noted. When he doesn't? That doesn't. Simple. As to painting a skewed vision? If I only watched MSNBC's evening shows, I'd *never* see the other side, whereas on Fox I do. So who has more power here to skew things?
Ronald Reagan
When you can't defend the indefensible, you deflect attention
Submitted by lsudolemite on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 6:04pm.
The media-Obama complex just whine the political equivalent of "But...but...but Johnny's parents let him stay up past 11!!!".
Remember, these are the "grown-ups in the room". God help us.
When the Mourning Schmoe....
Submitted by almostacowboy on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 6:31pm.
starts talking like this, all I can think of is the scorpion who asked the frog to help him get to the other side of the creek by carrying him on his back. After promising and promising and promising the frog that he would not sting him, he did anyway. When the frog exclaimed, 'Why did you do that? Now, we'll both drown!", the scorpion replied, "Hey! I'm a scorpion. What did you expect?"
I will give him credit though. All those Prog/Libs were like cornered rats.
Cowboy
Submitted by Model850 on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 5:00pm.
Sorta like this, huh?
When in danger ...
Submitted by metaphorsbwithu on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 6:23pm.
Anytime you say the truth about Democrats the liberals accuse you of being a shill, or mean, or bigoted, or dumb.
What's the old saying?
"When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout."
Joe must have seen those new polls on Obama v. generic Republican and smelled blood in the water.
At least that's something.
HMMM?
Submitted by ironhead4099 on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 7:09pm.
I'm thinking MSLED's token Republican must have a new gig lined up, or maybe he should start looking. Otherwise why go against MSLED's obvious company policy and speak the truth! That has to be a clear violation of what COMCAST wants on this "NEWS" programming, and I use that term VERY loosely!
Mika, I have the Specifics for you
Submitted by Hunter12 on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 7:10pm.
Here is President Obama's plan:
1. Promise spending cuts in exchange for an increase in the debt ceiling.
2. Borrow a bunch of money up to the new limit.
3. Spend the money to instantiate a new class of indebted voters, beholden to, and afraid of what the loss of power for their benefactors will do to their unearned benefits.
4. Renege on promise to cut spending. How can you afford to buy votes, if you cut spending.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
You missed a couple of small points
Submitted by TheHistorian on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 8:13pm.
He is going to cut $4T
He is going to tax about another $ XT
The deficit will still go up by $7T.
This is not a plan; this manure is so fine you can put it on your arugula.
Dennis Prager
Democrats lie
Submitted by wingnut55 on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 7:51pm.
The President has said that he wants a raise in taxes for a promised cut in spending. Since there has never been a Democrat promise that has been kept. Why should the Republicans believe them this time? It's like the old saying, "You can only trust a Communist to be a Communist." The same for Liberals. "You can only trust a Democrat Liberal to be a Democrat Liberal." They will NEVER keep their promises.
What a stupid woman.
Submitted by fatboy on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 8:43pm.
What a stupid woman.
The best part was the end off
Submitted by Snappy on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 8:46pm.
The best part was the end off transcript where he mentions how the dems proclaimed he was going to end Medicare and the panel astonishingly agrees saying the plan would end Medicare.
For all those Mika fans out
Submitted by malefecent928 on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 9:27pm.
For all those Mika fans out there you have to try this. First if you haven't turned the sound down do so now. Now watch Mika's expressions. As the rest of the "team" go about discussing "the news" Mika squints her eyes, tries to focus, and when she hears a word she can identify her little head goes back and forth. This could take a really long time. Her lips may move in an attempt to speak but she is always two minutes late at best. It gets really good when her eyes get big and she attempts to jump in but its always off and the gang stops talking and stares. If her pocket thesaurus ever runs out of batteries Republicans will have to be happy with being labeled "mean". I'm sure her dad got her that gig when he called in on some old favors. Her shining moment of the show is when she gets to utter the words "and now for the weather". Daddy must be so proud.
Mika at Mel's
Submitted by averageschmoe on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:46pm.
If Mika didn't have her dad's name she would be working at Mel's diner. I can see her now as she rolls her head and squints her eyes, " Honey, the special of the day is..........." That's where she belongs. (No offense to waitresses)
I doubt there are that many
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:43am.
I doubt there are that many serious Mika fans around. I don't dislike her, but, politically, she is virtually irrelevant.
Jer
Did you catch last week when
Submitted by amyshulk on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 4:36am.
Did you catch last week when she went head to head with Pat Buchanan? He was repeating himself, trying to impress WHY R's couldn't vote for the debt ceiling, and she kept turning away with that look of having sucked on a lemon, after she'd cut him of with OK, OK, but...
Ronald Reagan
Right on!!
Submitted by Cleveland Steamer on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 4:01pm.
Perfect analysis of Little Mica. She would indeed be a waitress, or perhaps a streetsweeper if her last wasn't Brazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..............
Scarborough got it right, for once
Submitted by Galvanic on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:42am.
I listened with amusement to Morning Joe when Scarborough launched into his challenge of co-host Mika and the panel. It was very effective.
While he is still an admirer of Obama, every now and then a bit of logic breaks through from Joey.
10 seconds a week...
Submitted by Cleveland Steamer on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 3:58pm.
I watch Morning Joe for a couple of minutes at 6am. Then I turn to a real channel.
Joe has morphed from a Redneck Rivera republican to an upper west side, port wine and brie cheese liberal snob.
I bet Pensacola would not welcome back such a cretin.