HuffPo Blogger: ‘Our Close [Gay] Friends Might be Forced to Leave the Country’

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Huffington Post blogger Tamara McClintock Greenberg gave one more reason in support of same-sex marriage - without it, her friends "might be forced to leave the country."

Greenberg lamented her friends' situation: "As same-sex partners, not only do they lack the basic rights of any couple in love to marry, since one person is an immigrant on a student visa, they may have to move to another country that acknowledges gay rights and marriage."

With that unique argument out of the way, the rest of Greenberg's post was a textbook-perfect liberal screed against those standing in the way of marriage for gay and lesbian couples. She was ashamed of America and compared it to countries where atrocious human rights violations are committed everyday. She blamed Christianity for our intolerance, and argued that homosexual couples are no different than heterosexual couples.

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Greenberg's wrote, "Pretending that gay partnerships are different from our own is not only false, but threatens our sense of being a dignified society." In fact, we're really no better than third-world tyrannies.

"In order to deny basic civil rights, one has to deny the humanness of the ‘other,'" she argued. "We see this all the time in countries where basic human rights are not valued and where civil war destroys communities, from the Republic of Congo to Iraq, in which one group views another as non-human and where crimes of humanity are allowed to occur."

She continued, "We have also seen this in our own country with slavery and the oppression of African Americans. When a particular group can be viewed as ‘non-human,' basic rights can easily be denied; this lack of consciousness can occur without detriment."

Greenberg did note that she does not believe barring same-sex couples from marriage is "equivalent to ethnic cleansing, tribal wars, and killing in the name of religion," but she still concluded, "that the idea of opposing gay marriage is rooted in Christian beliefs, espoused by a fraction of our diverse nation, suggests that we are not more virtuous than those countries we condemn for lacking basic human rights."

It's difficult not sympathize with Greenberg, carrying as she does The Liberal's Burden - her shame "about living, working and loving [her] husband in a country that does not allow equal rights regarding marriage." She explained that while visiting with her friends, "I felt pressured to come with an explanation for the shameful practice of not allowing our friends to marry. But U.S. polices in this regard are not rational."

Greenberg sprinkled jabs at Christians throughout her post like, "Christian religion and ideas about marriage are just as destructive as any other views that have kept people from entitled equal rights," and that "though Christian values were a part of our country's origins, such values don't quite hold water in a society in which we all reside relatively peacefully given different values and religions."

But Greenberg ignored a glaring fact about those "values" that "don't quite hold water." Voters have turned out in favor of traditional marriage - a union between one man and one woman - every single time the issue has been brought to the ballot. Obviously those "Christian values" and "ideas about marriage" still carry quite a bit of water.

As far as human rights go, the democratic process is open to American gay and lesbians. They are not jailed for simply living a lifestyle many people find immoral. Laws are in place to ensure they have the same protections and access to employment and housing opportunities as any other citizen. 

—Colleen Raezler is a research assistant at the Culture and Media Institute

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And this issss.........bad?

And this issss.........bad?

Yep...

... that's a shame.

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

Aw gee..................

they would "have" to leave the country?  wouldn't that be a shame...lol......where would the clowns go?  No other country is going to want them! 

Ah...

Maybe they will be more comfortable if they take a few liberal blogger friends so they don't get lonely.

My thoughts exactly

"Now, what is the down side again?"

marriage

Personally, I would like to see the government get out of the whole marriage business entirely. No tax breaks, no special anything. Two people want to share life fine but why should the rest of us carry the burden?

Why?

You lookin to increase the divorce rate. Do you what to take senior discounts away also?

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Advantages and Disadvantages of Marriage (legal context)

When you start talking about income taxes, I'm not so sure being married is a break.  The way tax brackets are structured right now, it's probably more of a penalty to be married then to be single.

With regards to inheritance tax, it is an advantage to be married, becuase the surviving spouse pays zero taxes on what is jointly owned through marriage.  Surely you don't want someone to have to sell their home when their spouse dies to pay estate taxes?  (A better way around this would be to permanently eliminate estate/death taxes, but that's a different argument.)

I too, though, would like to see government get out of the marriage business.  Marriage should be a religous institution.  Of course, I'd like to see the government get out of most every business except defense and infrastructure, but that's probably a ways off. 

There is only one goddess Gaia and Al Gore is her prophet.

Marriage - Smoke and Mirrors

Proponents of homosexual marriage are only using such issues as tax advantages, etc. to argue that they are being discriminated against. If what you suggest was proposed, it would be rejected because it's all about the 'normalization' and 'acceptance' of their lifestyle - not gaining the same advantages as normal couples.

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

What lifestyle?

I love stupid people who claim a sexual orientation is a "lifestyle".  Just shows how bad the education system in this country really is.

Agreed 100%. Marriage is a

Agreed 100%. Marriage is a religious institution and under the 1st amendment the government has never had a right to interfere with it. They should step out of it entirely.

...

"that the idea of opposing gay marriage is rooted in Christian beliefs, espoused by a fraction of our diverse nation.."

A fraction?  She makes it sound as if a tiny minority are against gay "marriage."  Even liberals in liberal states voted for traditional marriage.  It's been voted down in every state it's been put to a vote by conservatives and liberals alike.  

 

 

"Thou hast made us for Thyself, O Lord, and our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." - St. Augustine

Fun with Fractions

Well, liberals aren't very good with math (See also; Deficit Spending).

Nevermind the fact that they can't even pass a bill that almost *ahem* every American wants passed when they control both Houses of Congress and the Whitehouse.

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

Yea, voting really tells the truth

Wonder how many states would still have anti-miscegenation laws if they had come to a vote?  Good idea.....

I suggest

They move to Iran or Uganda.  Well, any Islamic nation will do (including Sweden and The Netherlands), but Iran actively executes known homosexuals, and Uganda just passed a law to that effect.

Did you forget?

Imanutjob says that Iran doesn't have any homosexuals.

Technically, if they're

Technically, if they're all dead, that's true.

But this isn't about benefits or legal recognition.  They could easily get that with civil unions.  It's about sticking it to religious groups, specifically and especially Christians, for daring to have some semblance of morality that says some things are wrong.

Not that the media will ever admit this, but come back to me in a decade or two when the children of same-sex couples are adults.  I bet the lists of emotional/social issues is a mile long, when compared to children raised by heterosexual parents (even divorced ones, or single parents).

Aut viam inveniam aut faciam

There Was A Time . . .

 . . . when the homosexuals claimed that all they wanted was Civil Unions so that they can have insurance and after-death benefits. Pretty much all the legal stuff they used was for divorce settlements, I guess.

 

Sarah Palin: The Most Dangerous Conservative In America

Yep,

And they would had gotten them, But the Dims sold them down the river. They started demanding votes on the resolution. And the people voted an average 78% against. But yet we are called bigots. Let the Gays come up with their own ceremony/Group,Religion, then ask for their own benefits?

The oxymoron of this whole topic, is gays are anti religion, but if they just got some. Then the law would be powerless to stop them from marrying!!

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

I really think it would

I really think it would have been much easier on them if they'd have stuck with the "civil union" thing... I don't approve of their lifestyle, but I wouldn't care if they decided to make a "commitment" to their significant other as long as they didn't try to call it a marriage!

It's still not right, but I'd take the lesser of 2 evils...

God bless our troops and the families supporting them. HOOAH!

Religion Based Or Not

The term, word, and act of ''Marriage'' means a union between a man and a woman. Nature's ''marriages'' produce offspring. What gays want is not Nature's Way (no reference to the band 'Spirit' intended). At least that's JMHO.

They need to use all of the creativity stored in those massive Hollywood celebrities' brains and come up with something, anything, to describe what it is that they want. But not marriage.

 

Sarah Palin: The Most Dangerous Conservative In America

Exactly! I look at it in a

Exactly! I look at it in a religious sense, but even leaving that out- if males were supposed to be with males or females with females, there would be no use for the other sex. It serves no purpose to further evolution, etc... 

I don't care what this person or that person likes to do in the privacy of their bedrooms, just leave me out of it! And "Civil Union" didn't sound bad, but the term "Marriage" is meant to be hetero for sure...

God bless our troops and the families supporting them. HOOAH!

People don't need to approve

I don't approve of your lifestyle but I guess you should have the right to get married. After all, you call whatever you have a "marriage" so why shouldn't others?

lifestyle

Mike, marriage is between a man and a woman, Everybody, gay and straight have the same rights to get married.  Why are you trying to change the definition? 

"Relativity applies to physics, not ethics" Albert Einstein

I left the Republican party because the Republic party went to the LEFT of me.

After all, you call

After all, you call whatever you have a "marriage" so why shouldn't others?

"Whatever" I have IS a marriage... It's a sacred union between a man and a woman. THAT is a marriage. The object of a marriage is to support each other emotionally, physically, and entirely and to bring children into this world and raise them to be upstanding citizens. My husband and I don't have children yet, but we will in the near future. So what is there to disapprove of? 

God bless our troops and the families supporting them. HOOAH!

The liberals are all so

The liberals are all so cozy and friendly with crazy Islamic governments they should all just move there and be free of those Christian Fundies who ruin their neighborhood. Since they complain of what Christians have done to this country, I might recommend Saudi Arabia where they can be the most free of Christian influence.

I'm sure they'll love it there (and that comment may not be sarcastic unfortunately)

Bush's best friends

Since the Saudi's are George Bush's best friends, maybe that would be a good place for his sheeple.

Sheeple

Since the Palestinians are Obama's best friends, maybe that would be a good place for his sheeple.

"Relativity applies to physics, not ethics" Albert Einstein

I left the Republican party because the Republic party went to the LEFT of me.

Greenberg thinks that

Greenberg thinks that Christians are only a fraction of the population, meaning a small number I imagine. Well fact is that the gay population is much, much lower than the Christian population and it's the gay population that is pushing their amoral lifestyle on the rest of us aided by bleeding heart amoral liberals. The majority of Americans call themselves Christian. It's a little more debatable just how many are authentic Christians, in other words, more than Christian in name only. 

Exactly how are her friends

Exactly how are her friends able to stay in this country now, then? Why didn't Prop 8 or any other such measure drive them out already?

It really sounds like they'd be happier in whatever Eurosocialist utopia they have in mind anyway. Win-win in my book.

And we would

have less people on the dole when they demon pass obamacare.

yes, I know it's deem and pass, but the evil version suits the situation.

 

Iran seems like the right place for the ultra religious

Since same sex marriage is such a problem for folks, maybe they should move to a good theocracy like Iran where they can be "free" of the problem. LOL

Yeah!

Who needs morals?  ....wait......

Typical liberal.  There is nothing out there except extremes........No middle ground for commies.

GTFO......  

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe. - Albert Einstein

Buh bye....don't let the

Buh bye....don't let the doorknob hit you in the a** on the way out.

Oh, I get it!

It's because the doorknob hitting you in the ass would be kinda like simulating anal sex. The door knob would be like a penis, and the ass would be, well, an ass. And homosexuals, as least the guy ones, like to have anal sex. Because neither one of them has a vagina. Good one.

 

Jerk.

jimspice---

Unsure if you are calling the prior poster a jerk, or if "Jerk" is your sign off name.

The way I interpret the " & don't let the door hit you in the ass--"

is that the doorknob bump to the butt could be a stimulus and the male homosexual, gay fellow if you prefer, might then be encouraged to hang around.

Militant gays make it quite apparent that heteros are for them nothing more than a target to vent their nastiness on if a hetero dares to disagree that gay marriage is a right.

I personally have no problem with anyones' gender preference;  so long as they aren't  (a) demanding that I agree with how they think, or (b) demanding that a vote be arranged to ensure a mandate be put on the law books that orders me to respect their lifestyle choice. 

Gays have a right to live their life unmolested by others. 

They do not have the right to tell me what to think, feel, or believe.

I don't venture into the gay community and call them names.

I don't think gays should venture into the heterosexual world and call names either.

MD

"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."

Mark Twain (1835-1910) 

 

Or maybe the

Or maybe the hyper-sensitive lefty doesn't realize the phrase "don't let the door hit you on the way out" is a fairly common colloquialism, used in lots of context.  But whatever.  I guess he can't help not wasting an opportunity to pretend to be morally superior.

Aut viam inveniam aut faciam

modernc---

I do believe your last sentence sums it up quite nicely.

MD

You first

Bet you'll get a good price for that trailer!

There are plenty of places

There are plenty of places where liberals can have all the socialism and hedonism they want, but there's only one USA, yet they insist on destroying this country instead of just moving to Canada, France, England, Russia, China, Australia, New Zealand, Kenya....

Or we could let the libs have 50% of the country and the conservatives have the other half.  They can have the east and west coasts, plus Hawaii and we can have the middle part of the country (including Great Lakes and Gulf of Mexico access) plus Alaska.

And let's just see whose philosophy will produce a better society.

What you are missing here..

.. is that liberals want EVERYBODY to suffer the consequences of their actions - not just them!

How's that for 'tolerance'?

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

mattm---

and we conservatives will keep the military, as libs neither like, respect, nor want to fund our fine personnel.

And law enforcement will undoubtedly accrue to the conservative side.

The libs can have GLAAD, NAMBLA, and Jacksons' Rainbow Coalition. 

 Great fit, there.

 MD

Liberal military

What do you propose to do with liberal members of the military?  Hint:  Check out what the NSDAP did, after all, isn't the current GOP patterned after them??

Liberals in the military---

I don't know how many there are, but the number is probably not large.

I do not know what NSDAP stands for, and based on some of your other remarks, I wouldn't place in credence in your comparison of them and the GOP.

Your 15:59 ET post:  "Lifestyle".  I am of the opinion that gays are born gay/lesbian and do not choose to be that way.  Those who "discover" later in life that they are gay and make a big deal of coming out?  Who knows?  Maybe they are actually bi-sexual and are ashamed to admit it for fear of being considered wishy-washy.

Your 16:01 ET post:  Miscegenation.  When gays and lesbians start with the Civil Rights comparisons, all that does is show the weakness of their argument and piss off the blacks.  Except for the gays and lesbians who are black, of course.  Wow, that must be a triple whammy!

Your 16:03 ET post:  Marriage.  It is just a word, but a word with many years of tradition behind it.  Gays wish to usurp the word marriage as a way of legitimizing homosexuality through the legal process.  Homosexuality is legitimized by the very fact that it exists.   Pushy, militant gays not only do themselves no favors, they alienate some who would side with them if the gays were less strident.

Your 16:10 ET post:  "Trailer".  Have no ides which post that relates to.

Your 16:19 ET post:  Mrs. Martin Luther King.  See 16:01 ET post comment.

MD 

NOOOO not Hawaii!

I know it's a democrat controlled state.  But they can't have it!  

"Relativity applies to physics, not ethics" Albert Einstein

I left the Republican party because the Republic party went to the LEFT of me.

Don't punish us.

Why send them to Australia? Gay marriage is illegal here as well.

You can keep your shirt lifters. We have enough problems with our own pillow biters.

Australia would be hard punishment

I've been to Australia and it still is the prison colony it always was.

Cognitive Dissonance

According to them, marriage is an archaic sham of an intolerant relic. So why so much effort to be able to marry and just perpetuate the lie?

There could be no other

There could be no other reason than that the point of the movement is to force society to accept homosexuality and to destroy the institution of marriage. 

The cry for "equality" is just a ruse.  The howls of "intolerance" are just a smokescreen to cover their own hatred and intolerance.

Maine

The fact that people in Maine- a state far more secular than South Carolina, Louisiana, or even California- turned out to repeal legal recognition of same-sex "marriage" revealed that there is something about defining marriage as between one man and one woman that appeals beyond the religious. 

 

For centuries, people have spoken out against slavery and against oppression of women.  And yet, the idea that same-sex "marriage" was some sort of human right only came about around 1970. 

Oh, Behave!

Once again (yaaawn) a leftie recycles the worn out comparison between non-acceptance of gay marriage and discrimination against African-Americans.

There's no basis whatsoever for the comparison. African-Americans were discriminated against because of their skin color, which is a superficial trait, and has nothing to do with how people behave  within a society.     

→ No comparison

Somebody explain how the ownership of human beings (Slaves), even remotely resembles the choice of a human being to dedicate his/her sex organs to a member of the same sex.

I'm not hearing a lot of black people declaring "We're just like the homosexuals"!

We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it - Nancy Pelosi

Re-watch the last half-hour of Pulp Fiction,

(the pawn shop) and all shall be revealed.

Cool --->

Maybe we'll get lucky and one of the leftie trolls will show up to explain it to us!

Wow, Coreta King lied

Since Mrs. Martin Luther King, Jr was one of the first to make the comparison between rights of gays and blacks, she must have lied.  Please tell everyone how your involvement in the civil rights movement was so much greater than hers.  Until then, maybe I'll just take her word for it.  LOL

MikeNYC

Since Mrs. Martin Luther King, Jr was one of the first to make the comparison between rights of gays and blacks, she must have lied.

No, she might have just been flat-out wrong

 

I'm not looking for anyone's pity. - Jer
There have been studies. - Jer

First of all, lets get a

First of all, lets get a basic biology primer out of the way and "discover" that homosexual couples are indeed different than Hetero couples.

Now lets examine the rest of it...yes, lets throw in the usual Christian bashing, some slavery references and racist analogies and of course finish it up with how ashamed of her country she is. People such as this need to shown the door, if things are really that bad, and your so ashamed of your countries actions its time to put up (use the freedom this country affords you and leave) or shut up.

Don't let the door hit ya

where the good Lord split cha.

Sigh.

They blame Christianity for this as though hatred is rooted in the religion.  Yet, when I explain that it is a religion of love unlike any other...and that I love homosexuals just as much as I love all other sinners (be they liar, murderer, a bitter liberal, or anyone, really, since we are all sinners), they are far more outraged than if I had just hated them because the Bible told me so.

 May I suggest, North

 May I suggest, North Korea, Zimbabewe or Uganda.

Let em leave then, just 2

Let em leave then, just 2 more sodomites gone. Some of us have enough courage of conviction to say the same even if the sodomites are family.

Will not be inviting a certain cousin to ANY family functions or anything else.

*******************************
"That boy'll lie when the truth will do"

- Mrs. Johnson, 8th grade teacher (ca. 1970)

Just wondering. If Arianna Huffington supports Gay marriage...

then why did she divorce her Gay husband?  Jim Webster

There is a remote

There is a remote possibility that Huffington 'turned' him gay.  Picture her naked and you might agree.

No way will I do that. I just ate breakfast. I confess. I...

actually voted for her cowardly ex-husband when he successfully ran for Congress and later unsuccessfully ran for the Senate as a "closeted" homosexual Republican.  Turns out Arianna has something in common with her ex.  They are both "frauds".  Jim Webster

If it makes Greenberg feel

If it makes Greenberg feel better (though I doubt the woman is ever happy) she can contact Hillary Rodham and have her file this in her Human Rights report to the UN.

I like this idea.  Perhaps

I like this idea.  Perhaps 'Greenberg' can move to the middle east too!  That way she can write about certain countries over there that seem to have a nasty habit of oppressing certain people because of their race, ethnicity and beliefs.

Crass hyperbole

It always amazes me how the lefties exaggerate to the point of ridicule. Not everyone who opposes gay marriages is a rank homophobe. Nor do we all deny the humanness of the other, which is a phrase I'm sure made Greenberg think she was terribly clever (tee-hee! Look mommy!). And no one is forcing her friends to leave the country. You can't keep overdramatizing issues and expect people to take you seriously. Saying the US is "no better than third world tyrannies" because her two lesbian friends can't marry completely diminishes the real human rights abuses going on in Islamic countries and in the real third world. If refusing same-sex couples the right to marry is tyrannical, then what does she consider FGM, or Sudanese children forced into slavery? Really, it's time to get some perspective.

They have a place here

Huffington Post blogger Tamara McClintock Greenberg gave one more
reason in support of same-sex marriage - without it, her friends "might
be forced to leave the country."

They may have a place here. Wasn't a blogger defending Mark Folie here?

 WDN- 44

 

It's Foley, drater..

  Is the Congenital Plagiocephalic nwahs having a flare-up again?

Hypocrits*

This same group of people who call for "equality" and "social justice" for all want special treatment for a small minority. How can you have "equality" if you are demanding special treatment for a select group? Is this not creating divisiveness or is it just another liberal attack on Christians?

Oh, Libtard of little

Oh, Libtard of little faith.  You forget who's running this country.

"Under Capitalism, man exploits man.  Under Communism it's just the opposite."

"All that Communism needs to make it successful is for someone to feed and clothe it."

Excuse Me?

The intolerance of the left is overwhelming.  Homosexual relationships are alternative, which means not the norm.  It is NOT normal.

If you disagree with the homosexual agenda, then you are an intoleranant hater.  To the liberal, disagreement means hate.  To the liberal, a difference of opinion means intolerance.  

These people who claim that Christians are intolerant do not know the faith, the Bible or the facts.  

I dont know what is left to

I dont know what is left to say about the liberal thought process except that they are amoral.  They have no sense of right and wrong.  "Every man did what was right in his own eyes."

"I dont need to read a newspaper to know the world's been shaved by a drunken barber."

Walter Brennan, The Colonel, Meet John Doe, 1941

             If

             If the do leave the country, we will be shure to wave goodby.                                                                                                                                                                                                            

Well...

5/8 is a "fraction", so is 7/8, 13/16,....

 

This is what passes for science these days.

You Know What?

I've absolutely had it with these sensationalist morons. Here's a point-by-point takedown of these idiotic statements:

[same-sex marriage - without it, her friends "might be forced to leave the country." ] Guess what - LEAVE then. There is nothing keeping same-sex couples from living together and doing whatever they want. But if they feel they just HAVE to be called "married" and can't do that here, then, by all means, LEAVE!
["As same-sex partners, not only do they lack the basic rights of any couple in love to marry, since one person is an immigrant on a student visa, they may have to move to another country that acknowledges gay rights and marriage."] When did marriage become a "right"? I have no problem with them having the right to live together free of persecution - that's simply a HUMAN right that all people have. And when did the USA stop acknowledging marriage?
[She was ashamed of America and compared it to countries where atrocious human rights violations are committed everyday. She blamed Christianity for our intolerance, and argued that homosexual couples are no different than heterosexual couples.] I have the usual response here - if you're ashamed of this country, feel free to haul your a$$ somewhere else. And yeah, homosexual couples ARE different than heterosexuals - heteros can actually produce offspring, which is the ancient intent of marriage.

[Greenberg's wrote, "Pretending that gay partnerships are different from our own is not only false, but threatens our sense of being a dignified society." In fact, we're really no better than third-world tyrannies.] As for the difference, see above. And I feel perfectly dignified in being against gay-marriage. It's the gays and their moronic supporters that have THEIR panties in a bunch. And if Ms. Greenburg wants to see a third-world tyranny, try spending some time in the Middle-East. She wouldn't last a week.

Finally, most states have laws providing for the equivalent of gay marriage -  it's called domestic partnerships. These laws generally provide legal and financial benefits to same-sex partners. All the controversy comes from these same people and their supporters simply because of what THEY want their partnership to be called. At last count, some 30+ states have rejected their desire and they simply don't want to abide by the will of the majority. All I can say is "too bad". If you all don't like it, and don't want to live by the rule of law in this country, then you all can also feel free to carry your a$$e$ somewhere else.

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