The New York Times Sunday Business section contained a "Corner Office" profile by Adam Bryant -- an interview with Carol Smith, senior vice president of the fashion magazine Elle. It had a provocative title that apparently no one at the Times found particularly provocative: "No Doubts: Women Are Better Managers."
Times Watch has no grounded opinion on that matter, and the Times is just relaying the opinion of the magazine publisher. But it's safe to say the headline "No Doubts: Men Are Better Managers" will never grace the pages of the Times. An excerpt:
Q. It sounds as if you've thought a lot about men versus women as managers.
A. I have, I have.
Q. Please share.
A. Hands down women are better. There's no contest.
Q. Why?
A. In my experience, female bosses tend to be better managers, better advisers, mentors, rational thinkers. Men love to hear themselves talk. I'm so generalizing. I know I am. But in a couple of places I've worked, I would often say, "Call me 15 minutes after the meeting starts and then I'll come," because I will have missed all the football. I will have missed all the "what I did on the golf course." I will miss the four jokes, and I can get into the meeting when it's starting.
A bit later, with help from the interviewer Bryant, Smith returned to the topic:
Q: If women are better managers, how come there aren't more women in the corner offices of corporate America?
A. I ask you that. I think we'd be better presidents. I mean, we've got a really good one right now, but I find it so puzzling. I swear I don't know.
Despite such frank talk, it's safe to say that Smith, a woman making "sexist" assumptions about men, won't get the Larry Summers treatment in the Times. After Summers, then-president of Harvard, suggested the low number of women in the field of science may have something to do with genetics, the Times responded to the wailing of feminist academics and hounded him in at least seven articles.
—Clay Waters is the director of Times Watch, an MRC project tracking the New York Times.



















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If that's the case...
July 28, 2009 - 16:00 ET by jdlybrand...why aren't they called womanagers?
"What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
Well now... between Erbe
July 28, 2009 - 16:02 ET by bigtimerWell now... between Erbe and Smith I've had it!
They both don't like football...that's it for me..they sure aren't speaking for millions of us gals out here in the real world!
Seriously, what sexists these high and mighty feminazi's are.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Hey, bt....I don't like
July 28, 2009 - 18:23 ET by motherbeltHey, bt....I don't like football! In fact I hate it! I make my hubby wear his TV Ears when he watches it! Does that mean I've lost all credibility with you??? Sniff.
I'm so sick of this "women are equal to men in all things...except in those cases where they are better" crap!
Are women taught to be better managers or does it come naturally?
Are men taught to like to hear themselves talk?
Are they admitting that the differences are NOT just "social conditioning" as they have always maintained? If not, then how can women be "better" at anything?
Well anyway, with regard to this, I will say what I always do....if
women think this way, they'd better shut their mouths when men start
talking about the things that they are better at!
You have me laughing
July 28, 2009 - 18:27 ET by bigtimerYou have me laughing mb....
Hey, I didn't say all gals you know, I said millions of us that do like football.
As to the rest of your post...
You got that right!
Btw...I can't imagine forcing my husband to wear TV ears...wished I could though at times, as he is just about deaf in one ear, and the volume he needs the tv at is maddening....we do go around about that.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
They're better at managing
July 28, 2009 - 16:22 ET by mattmThey're better at managing the cooking, the sewing, the laundry, the dishes, the dusting, the vacuuming, getting the kids off to school, diaper duty, etc. etc...
Oh yeah, and keeping the honey-do list up to date....
(nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more)
You have to admit, matt,
July 28, 2009 - 18:22 ET by motherbeltYou have to admit, matt, that women are better multi-taskers! A woman can do three things at once, and still know where all the kids are. A man can't even be spoken to about the next task until he finishes the one he's working on!
But I do love men...bless their hearts...especially the one I've been married to for 38 years!
Yep...and even while we are
July 28, 2009 - 18:32 ET by bigtimerYep...and even while we are doing those various tasks, they still want an answer about something in the middle of all this to-boot.
Which we can usually give a reply to...one way or the other. ;-)
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Talking on the phone and
July 29, 2009 - 08:41 ET by mattmTalking on the phone and listening to the radio while driving with the kids in the back seat is hardly multi-tasking!
(nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more)
Oh Boy, matt
July 29, 2009 - 08:45 ET by BlondeYou're looking to rile us up today, huh?
Not.....going....to do it!
:)
I hope he fails, too.
A guy can try, can't
July 29, 2009 - 09:19 ET by mattmA guy can try, can't he?
(nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more)
But I thought gender was
July 28, 2009 - 16:35 ET by MrSnugglesBut I thought gender was just a state of mind... Or must one just "feel" like a woman in order to be a better manager?
She managed to say nothing
July 28, 2009 - 17:23 ET by G. MayShe managed to say nothing in relatively few words. At least her brevity is to be admired.
Let's fantasize along with her for a moment she wasn't exaggerating that most corporate meetings begin with 15 minutes of small talk. Is that really the only evidence she offers to support her sexist claim? Silly question, of course that's the only thing she's got to bolster her because-I-said-so sexist argument.
While we're generalizing, perhaps she wouldn't complain if the pre-meeting talk revolved around entertainment news, that great new outfit, Manolo Blahniks, or how bad her cramps are this morning.
July 28, 2009 - 18:10 ET by jessieHDamn! Another witch talking down my football. I am gonna have my hands full, holding all those cats by the tail till they stop......
I've never worked for a man
July 28, 2009 - 18:12 ET by ckc1227I've never worked for a man who pounded Exlax as a form of weight control so much they were crapping blood like my last woman boss. In my experience, I guess that means women make worse managers than men.
That's hilarious, in a sick
July 28, 2009 - 18:51 ET by motherbeltThat's hilarious, in a sick sort of way. Really though, it kind of makes you look at listening to your boss talk about his golfing weekend in a whole new light, doesn't it? LOL!
In my experience, female bosses tend to be better managers, better advisers, mentors, rational thinkers. -Carol Smith
Apparently, anecdotal evidence is permissible when it's favorable to women. On the other hand, if one mentions fellow female employees who were complete ditzes, anecdotal evidence is biased, selective, frivolous, specious, and unfair!!
And can anyone, in their wildest dreams, imagine a MAN starting ANY response to a question involving sex difference with "In my experience...." and being taken seriously and having his observations accepted as a valid aragument?
Yeah, right.
"Really though, it kind of
July 28, 2009 - 22:27 ET by ckc1227"Really though, it kind of makes you look at listening to your boss
talk about his golfing weekend in a whole new light, doesn't it? LOL!"
Yes, it does. She was a little out there as a boss, but I never knew how much until I learned this.
By the way, I was surrounded by women on that job. They were always at each other's throats, backstabbing, conniving, lying, etc. I've never had that much drama working with men.
Too true, ckc
July 29, 2009 - 08:41 ET by BlondeIn my last position, all of my subordinates were women managers, it was insane the creepy back-stabbing and attention-grabbing things they'd do to each other (and to other managers outside of my department) to try to get a leg up. I ended up firing a couple of them for that bad behaviour.
I used to tell my boss he'd finally done me in by putting me in charge of the drama queens, since it was well known that I have no patience at all for anything but straight-on problem solving and get-it-done work. He laughed....really hard, too.
I hope he fails, too.
Nod's as good as a wink to a blind man
July 28, 2009 - 19:55 ET by thestalkinghorseThe certainly manage to make better pies.
The one woman manager (real
July 28, 2009 - 20:18 ET by dvdaughtryThe one woman manager (real position is supervisor, but she manages two people) we have in my group is at odds with the ONLY WOMAN that she supervises.
Keep this pace up, they are gonna want to start voting!
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
I agree
July 28, 2009 - 21:39 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonWomen are better Man Agers than any other living creature.
The instant I became associated with a woman, I began to age.
It may have been my mothers influence in my formative months in the womb.
http://gjresult.com
Who's The Boss?
July 29, 2009 - 00:10 ET by stratmanI've had some great female bosses, especially in healthcare. I've also had a couple great male bosses over the years.
Along the way I've come across a couple crappy bosses, male and female (one usurper thought she was the boss though she actually wasn't).
So, yeah, women and men can be great bosses. Hope that clears up any confusion.
In conclusion, the best boss I ever had, and still do, is a female - M O M.
I don't know where Smith
July 29, 2009 - 03:34 ET by jdhawkI don't know where Smith has worked, but small talk 15 minutes into a meeting where I work will get half the people signing off the teleconference and getting to work on other projects.
I work for one of the largest banks in the country (yes, we already paid back TARP). I have people that work for me in 25 cities. Most of the time, my managers are voices on the other end of the line, sometimes they are in a Live Meeting, and rarely they are "across from me" in a Cisco Systems telepresence meeting. We meet only a couple of times a year face to face (much less so, for obvious reasons, in the last two years). There is just no time for small talk. That is for lunch or after work.
I have female managers that are great and some that are so-so. That goes for the male managers as well. I have some, male and female, that are great technicians and simply don't want to be managers, yet they are managers because that is where the higher salaries are (I work in IT).
What I do find over and over regardless of the level of management is that women tend not to want to work the extra hours required. Yet, they want to be promoted right along with their male counterparts that are putting in the time.
Taking on a women in a manager's position when she is young is a challenge. Typically there is a lot of down time while she is having kids. She expects the job to be waiting for her when she takes off for 3-6 months and sometimes as long as a year. Meanwhile, someone is actually doing her job while she is away, but is not getting the salary to go along with it.
But, hey, that is just my experience . . .
one of my wife's friends
July 29, 2009 - 07:58 ET by seaniepone of my wife's friends likes to talk about how "inadequate" all men are - I killed a spider for her once and quickly asked her if that still made me inadequate
I hate the New York Times more than it hates the US Military
That's only becasue...
July 29, 2009 - 08:22 ET by onewiseguy...she's so inadequate and has to hide it by projecting her inadequacy on others....specifically, men who are the object of her disdain. Me thinks she was burned by at least one man and is now bitter. There are alot of jerks out there (men and women) and it's tough when you get burned by one but you have to move on....and it's apparent she hasn't done that yet.
Nonsense
July 29, 2009 - 09:35 ET by slickwillie2001No company that I have ever worked for would tolerate someone showing up fifteen minutes late for a meeting without a dang good excuse. Maybe in government work, but otherwise this doesn't happen.
eh?
July 29, 2009 - 15:49 ET by Kekela WardShe considers herself a good manager, and yet says this:
"Call me 15 minutes after the meeting starts and then I'll come,"
If I was her boss and she told me that, I'd tell her not to bother coming to the meeting, and just have her desk cleared out when security arrives in 5 minutes to escort her off the property.
I, as any other good manager, would expect that you would be present at the starting time of the meeting. If you aren't there on time, you're letting down the other members of the group and your employer. (And what makes her so important and everyone else's time so unimportant?)
Sam: "I hurt somebody's feelings once"
KW... Don't ya
July 29, 2009 - 15:56 ET by bigtimerKW...
Don't ya know...'she's special'...just ask her.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart