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Bozell Column: 'Glee' and GQ 'Gentlemen'

By Brent Bozell | October 30, 2010 | 08:02

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No doubt about it, Fox’s “Glee” is a pop-culture juggernaut. In 2009, the “Glee” cast landed 25 singles on the Billboard Hot 100, the most by any artist since The Beatles. The show is syndicated all over the world. Its second season debut scored more than 12 million viewers. Clearly, Fox knows that this show about a high-school glee club is a hot ticket for high-schoolers, and its appeal trickles down through the lower grades. They’re the ones who are downloading all the “Glee” singles for their iPods. 

So who is the marketing genius who decided that female “Glee” stars should pose in their bras and underwear in the badly named “Gentleman’s Quarterly” magazine? And with a fully clothed male star putting his hand on their rear ends on the cover? Surely, a lot more children watch the TV show than check out GQ magazine, but the photo shoot was news all over the entertainment world. Sleazy marketing is the best marketing.

This decision was almost uniformly condemned. One standout example was CBS anchor Katie Couric, who denounced it in an online commentary. “These very adult photos of young women who perform in a family show just seem so un-'Glee'-like. The program is already edgy in the right ways, these images don't really, in my humble opinion, fit the 'Glee' gestalt.”

But “Glee,” a “family show”? Not even Fox would agree. It’s overtly sexual (in Couric-speak, that’s “edgy”) and absolutely no one in the show is a role model. A recent episode featured two (clothed) cheerleaders making out in bed. Fox might argue the women in the photo shoot are in their twenties, not actual high schoolers, but that’s beside the point. GQ clearly designed this photo shoot to appeal to men (the GQ readership’s median age is 33.4) and their fantasies about underaged girls in high school.

Despite all this, “Glee” does have some defenders, and they are lashing out in stupid ways. On MSNBC’s “Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell,” the host spoke out against, and blamed the scandal on, the Parents Television Council, which he defined as “a cult that was invented to complain about TV and pretend that the TV remotes don’t have channel selectors or buttons that turn the infernal machines off.”

I’ve been called many things, but I’ve never been accused of starting a “cult.”

O’Donnell’s brain cramp didn’t end there. He found it odd that the PTC opposes sex on family TV shows, when “without sex, there would be no families.” O’Donnell continued upending common sense by congratulating the sleazy “Glee” actresses as responsible sex educators. They “should be very proud of the lessons they are teaching teenage girls about the complexities of decisions involving sex,” he pronounced -- at the very moment the screen next to him was showing the two cheerleaders kissing in bed.

He was not alone. Entertainment Weekly writer Jennifer Armstrong also protested the PTC’s objections. She was “morally outraged by your moral outrage.” Really. Armstrong complained that she opposed the “Glee” shoot, too, as “misogynist trash,” but her eminently sensible feminist outrage was “derailed” by the PTC focusing on the shoot’s effect on children (and dirty old men). But Armstrong derailed herself by trying to argue that parents shouldn’t attack shows like Fox’s “Family Guy” because they are “aimed at adults,” even though they are also watched by millions of children.

Armstrong actually claimed that a March 2009 “Family Guy” episode loaded with an outrageous plot about homosexuality and bestiality and a horse trampling disabled children was somehow beyond criticism, because Fox was baiting its critics. By this fractured illogic, the more outrageous the show, the more it should be ignored.  

Hollywood’s defenders are forever insisting that their critics should just throw in the towel. “These are difficult days for the decency police,” reported the New York Times. On MSNBC, O’Donnell asserted the game was over: we’re all “going to have to realize that the censorship battle is lost.” The defeat is so complete we’re supposed to thank the outrage-makers for raising awareness that they cannot be trusted.

But these same critics would never say the Better Business Bureau should pack it in, or that Mothers Against Drunk Driving is becoming irrelevant. There is nothing more these cultural bohemians would like than for all the walls of traditional decency to come crashing down. Then they’ll have what they really want: moral anarchy.
 

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I liked the GQ pictures

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 9:31am.

The show is aimed towards adults. I am no fan Of Odonnell at all, but it is clear the PTC is losing the war. Your group did it's most damage after the whole Janet Jackson nipple thingy, but now there is so much variety on tv from Family Guy to Two and a half men, that I know free speech on the airwaves concerning what the PTC considers immoral is very much alive
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No shawn, the show is aimed

Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 9:52am.

No shawn, the show is aimed toward middle and high school aged kids.  The same group the High School Musical franchise was aimed at.  The idea of high school girls dressed and posed provacatively does it for you huh? 

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Rad

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 9:59am.

Lots of adults watch the show. Yes some teens watch the show, I Dvred a few episodes this year because I heard good things, but unfortunately this is nt a family show. Lots of lesbian thems, gay themes and sex And the fact that these girls are over 18 that are posing does not bother me one bit
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You're right; it's not a

Submitted by motherbelt on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 10:12am.

You're right; it's not a family show.  "some" teens watch.

Funny how a show that was supposed to be about making fun of glee club geeks in high school has evolved into making those kids the cool ones who are on the leading edge of depravity.

And it doesn't bother you that the dress of those "women" in the GQ spread is an exact copy of the way prostitutes dress for men who have "school-girl" fetishes?

Oh, I forgot. Your attitude is to fill the streets with sewage and make it the parents' responsibility to keep their kids clean.

Parents need a little help because the sludge is just too deep?

Forget it. 

 

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If you have a fetish

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 1:18pm.

And if It involves a person that is over 18 and a willing participant, hey to each their own MB.
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shawn

Submitted by troglodyt on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 3:47pm.

I'm curious whether you think consent and proper age is in any case sufficient for not criminalizing behaviour. How about mutilation and murder (if that is the right word in that scenario)?

Although this is probably not the right place: How far does your libertarianism go?

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Mutilation and Murder

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 3:51pm.

Is not consentual by at least one of the parties involved
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shawn

Submitted by troglodyt on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 4:04pm.

What if exactly that is the case? Or are you saying that you cannot consent to something like that at all?

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It's really very simple

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 5:18pm.

If there are two consenting adults it does not matter to me what they do behind closed doors. If somebody murders somebody they are taking someones life. If somebody mutilates someone against their will, they should be punished
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shawn

Submitted by troglodyt on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 5:27pm.

But what if all parties consent? That happens. I take from your second sentence that it doesn't matter.

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Murder is against the law

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 5:52pm.

Your taking someones life. So I am against it
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shawn

Submitted by troglodyt on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 8:30pm.

So can I sum it up with: Everything consensual is OK as long as it does not involve killing?

I just want to know where a real libertarian stands.

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228 is not a real anything.....except

Submitted by porpoiseboy on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 8:39pm.

a really small person who is about as deep as a puddle.  although quite versed in the three p's.  and since nb SAYS it is about exposing and combating liberal media bias....i have just come to wonder where he fits in.  this supposed "libertarian" streak is something he put on recently because he somehow interpreted it as "nah, nah, nah, nah, nah...you can't tell me what to do".  so fitting.

Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left

The best social program is a JOB...ronald reagan

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Trog and pee pee are now bffs

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 10:09pm.

Newsflash I have had the same pov since I joined NB and I have as much right post here as you.
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Why am I lumped into this?

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:17am.

I for my part believe you are sincere. I just wanted to know how you might argue given some hypotheticals.  

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Trog

Submitted by shawn. on Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:45am.

I was just pointing out that it was sad on his part. He was hoping for others to back him up since he rarely has a counter argument. Then when he sees nobody is buying his BS. He has to be pathetic enough to try to get sympathies from a person many refer to as a troll. No offense but I think that is what many here think. I have not debated you enough times to make my own decision yet I then tell him I am up for a civil debate and he gives me a snarky reply without defending his points as usual. He is just a big mouth and does not back up his points Edit you also gave me loaded questions with you hypotheticals dude. Indivividual freedoms and less laws protecting us from ourselves. That is my point.
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fair enough

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 11/03/2010 - 6:38pm.

No offense but I think that is what many here think.

I'm sure that is the case.

you also gave me loaded questions with you hypotheticals dude

If you think I tried to play gotcha with you then you are mistaken. I honestly just wanted to know what your stand on this is. And it isn't that much of a hypothetical considering this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/31/world/german-court-convicts-internet-cannibal-of-manslaughter.html?scp=3&sq=Armin%20Meiwes&st=cse

What is interesting about it and led to many question concerning legal matters was the fact that everything done was consensual.


 

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Trog

Submitted by shawn. on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 12:08am.

While I believe in Euthanasia in principal, I do not condone what the people in your article did. Too hard to prove the person wanted to willingly die.

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You have learned nothing from

Submitted by NL207 on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 12:22am.

You have learned nothing from trog's national experience, have you?  Euthanasia.  Precisely how the former socialist regime of Germany began its program of murder, eugenics and genocide.  They started by euthanizing hideously deformed children at the request of the families.  Then it was the mentally ill, the terminally ill and so on.  Once the slaughter begins, it seems to take on a life of its own.

Euthanasia can never be permitted.  Never.  Anyone who performs such an act is a murderer.

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NL

Submitted by shawn. on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 12:30am.

Its a subject I tend to avoid because a person that I am close to on this site has had a bad experience with this issue.

There can be lots of variables like greedy family members that want grandma out of the picture so they can get to their money, however If a person truly wants to end their life and wants to do it in a dignified way, I do not see why it should be the governments business.

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What you describe now is

Submitted by NL207 on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 12:39am.

What you describe now is suicide, NOT euthanasia.  While suicide is a mortal sin, it is not something that should be criminalized except when other persons are injured as unintended consequences of a suicide attempt.  Euthanasia is murder plain and simple.

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there is a difference

Submitted by shawn. on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 12:45am.

to me euthanasia is assisted suicide when the person wants to die. They do not want to do it themselves and want assistance to die with dignity.

 

I belive this is legal in Oregan.

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If the 'victim' does not take

Submitted by NL207 on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 10:19am.

If the 'victim' does not take his own life, then it is not suicide.   If a second party takes the victim's life, it is homicide.

QED.

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It's legal in Oregan

Submitted by shawn. on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 10:22am.

It can only be done by a doctor
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When the archived comments

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:20am.

When the archived comments come back on you can see, that he has been much more consistent in his views than most of the people posting here.

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No variety

Submitted by misterbee241 on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 10:12am.

Those shows you mentioned are not variety - it's just more of the same sleazy junk with different faces.  Kind of like a porn flick.

If you're not getting flak, you're not over the target.
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I call it variety

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 10:15am.

Because you can choose to watch it or not, Its up to you.
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While I, as an adult, can

Submitted by Liberallies on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 12:01pm.

While I, as an adult, can choose to watch it or not, my children can't. They will never watch this garbage at my house. However, what happens if they see it at someone else’s home? Then what?

The problem with Liberals is that they believe Freedoms come without Responsibilities. Individuals like you, Shawn, as you did above, scream and cry Freedom of Speech, Freedom of whatever, but completely forget that with the Freedoms that we have comes great responsibility.

By the way, as much as you claim that the Fox network has a right to put up this show, PTC has every single Right to complain about it.

But you said it best, the public airwaves are owned by ALL of us, not only the radical Liberals in Hollywood that put out this garbage. Thus, I have EVERYSINGLE RIGHT to demand that family wholesome shows be put on the airwaves. Or is it like Animal Farm, Shawn, we are all equal, it is just that the Left is more Equal than the Right?

Fox can put out whatever show it wants, but Americans have a Right and Duty to criticize it, demonize it if needed be or praise it and that is ALL Americans, not the ones that agree with you Shawn!

By the way, while the girls were over 18, they portray underage girls! This is the disgusting part that you just do not get. There are millions of teenagers who watch this show. They see the behavior, the filth and immorality that goes on and they imitate it.

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I don't ever recall saying you can't criticize it

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 12:40pm.

I said I am glad that we have variety. I believe Mr Bozells MRCs and NB are powerful sites and very influencial, however the PTC who does more than criticize, they actually threaten advertisors and try to take shows off the air has about as much influence as moveon.org
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"However, what happens if

Submitted by ckc1227 on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 3:25pm.

"However, what happens if they see it at someone else’s home? Then what?"

Clearly their lives will be over, and they will probably gouge their own eyes out in a drastic attempt to put an end to the horror that will plague them forever and ever, until the day they day.



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Gee ckc thanks for you

Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 3:54pm.

Gee ckc thanks for you insight.  It's so wonderful to have someone here who doesn't take parenting or morality seriously.

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ckc1227, Ah, why engage in

Submitted by Liberallies on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 8:45pm.

ckc1227,

Ah, why engage in meaningful debate regarding the garbage that is on television. Easier to make fun of it all.

Liberals keep on claiming that what is on television, in movies does not affect our society, that it doesn't affect our children's mind. However, since radical Liberals have been putting out garbage crime rates, rapes, murders have all increased.

Children watch TV, movies, they do not know the difference between reality and make believe and they attempt to live what they watch.

but hey, it is easier for individuals like ckc1227 to make fun of it all. heck, who cares about the future of our nation.

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Wasn't it you and your ilk...

Submitted by DumbCanuck on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 12:04pm.

...that tried to stop the Tebow ad during last year's Superbowl?

[I guess I need a new signature...]

"There... Are... Four... Lights!"

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Ummm no

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 12:34pm.

I never once complained about he tebow ad. I actually thought it was great for free speech
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This is the double sided

Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 12:07pm.

This is the double sided attitude of the left that drives me crazy.  I'm supposed to take responsibility for controling what my children see on t.v., magazines, billboards, etc.  At the same time the left feels it's their duty to educate my children about homosexuality, birth control, and "alternate lifestyles" regardless of my religious belief.  After all, it takes a village.

You are basically now condoning male fantasies of underage girls.  Fantasies lead to pedophilia. 

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Radical1979, Excellent

Submitted by Liberallies on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 12:20pm.

Radical1979,

Excellent points!

Liberals excuse the garbage on television by saying that we as parents must not allow our children to see the garbage that Hollywood puts out. Liberals demand that we act as parents, and rightly so, that we be the parents and control what our children watch on Television.

However, these same Liberals who demand that we be parents with the T.V. refuse to acknowledge the same duties of a parent to educate his/her child. When parents take control and home school kids, when parents attempt to take control and fight the filth that is taught to our children in public schools, the same Liberals who were just screaming that parents be parents, do not acknowldge parents rights over their children.

The hypocrisy of Liberals sees no end.

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Not for me rad

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 12:46pm.

If you Were debating a liberal right now that wants to preach about why gay marriage should be legal you would have a point. However I have never once endorsed gay marriage and felt it was the governments role to teach about homosexuality so it makes your point moot.
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What about the comment about

Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 3:41pm.

What about the comment about fantasizing about underage girls? 

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I believe I answered that in my response to NB

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 3:56pm.

It's not like we are talking about pretending someone is in kindergarten. A fantasy about a grown woman playing a high school cheerleader? If a grow. Man has sex with a high school girl, he should be punished. If a man has sex wih a woman roleplaying as a high school girl? I have no problems with that.
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Shawn, Ah, you miss the

Submitted by Liberallies on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 8:49pm.

Shawn,

Ah, you miss the point. The argument you are making about television shows, parents and teenagers is the same argument that most Liberals make. "If you do not like the show, turn the channel!", "it is the parents obligation to control what their sons/daughters watch on TV!".

You may be an exception to the rule, Shawn, but most of the Liberals who make the above argument constantly stand  up to parents who take control of their children education. once again, stop laying naive, stop playing dumb.

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come on lib......you know he isn't

Submitted by porpoiseboy on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 8:56pm.

playing.

Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left

The best social program is a JOB...ronald reagan

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Be careful double urine boy

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 9:38pm.

Your mouth is so close to LLs toushy you can alsost taste the cherios he ate this morning
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i can't believe they let such a thoroughly disgusting

Submitted by porpoiseboy on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 9:46pm.

little twit as you post here.  your 3rd grade potty humor is some of the least funny tripe i have ever heard.  and i can take a joke.  i just can't take you.

Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left

The best social program is a JOB...ronald reagan

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Lmao sample of a number one

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 9:50pm.

The really sad thing is you piggie back on a post from trog. Looking for sympathy from libs now. Lol ;-)
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Shawn, Really? this is the

Submitted by Liberallies on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 10:40pm.

Shawn,

Really? this is the best you have? Insults and third grade humor that is as dumb as Colbert's and Stewart's?

c'mon Shawn, i have been quite respectful of you, I would expect the same from you!

Besides, I did not eat cherrios this morning i ate the nasty 57% of your daily fiber cereal (the one that looks like hamster food) with a sprinkle of strawberry flavored Kellogs. c'mon now, get my cerals right! oh and I also had a cup of tea. LOL

In all seriousness Shawn, c'mon. I thought you and I were done with the playground insults. I hope you notice that you are the only one throwing them out there this evening.  

You hate it when anyone dares mention that you and another Liberals are kissing, hugging, etc, etc. For a 39 year old, you can be quite immature.

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Fut buddy

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 11:21pm.

Uou have been respectful. Like my post below the insult is not aimed at you. Hey how could I insult someone that watched the New DC Superman and Batman quicker than me :-)
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I'd didnt t miss the point

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 9:40pm.

She tried to call me on hypocrisy and I told her that does not apply to me in this case
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Adults watch the show, but it

Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 10:02am.

Adults watch the show, but it is targeted toward younger viewers. 

Yes, you've made it clear that posing in provacative poses dressed as school girls does not bother you.  The message of such photo layouts is to sexualize females at younger and younger ages.  If you have a daughter watch her closely and you will see the affect of all of this on her and her friends. 

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Your right rad

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 10:08am.

As a parent, you have the choice of letting your kids watch. GQ is for adults. The adult hot woman In a cheerleader outfit fantasy has been around fir decades. Hardly a new genre
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What a surprise. I gave

Submitted by motherbelt on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 10:15am.

What a surprise.

I gave your response above without even reading yours first.
 

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Yes huge surprise from you too MB

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 10:17am.

Hot women wearing cheerleading outfits. Newsflash there are also adult college cheerleaders and students
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And I suppose the cast of

Submitted by motherbelt on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 10:21am.

And I suppose the cast of "Glee" are imitating college cheerleaders?

Yeah, that's the ticket!

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No MB

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 10:25am.

.......but they are over 18. Most GQ readers don't even watch the show, they just saw beautiful women posing as students and cheerleaders.
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Shawn, I just "love" how

Submitted by Liberallies on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 12:05pm.

Shawn,

I just "love" how Liberals enjoy playing at being naive.

C'mon Shawn, you and I both know that teenage boys went running and bought countless of copies of GQ, cut out the picture and now it is taped somewhere in their room.

 

plus, these adult women are playing, imitating teenagers. 99.9% of teeangers who watch this show do not have a clue that the real age of the two ladies who posed for GQ are really over 18.

Stop playing at being naive.

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LL and middle school girls

Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 12:12pm.

LL and middle school girls and younger look to high school girls as their role models, and they sure don't realize that the girls on the show and in the pictures are over 18.  They are thinking this is what they are supposed to be doing to be more grown up. 

It's frightening to me.

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Radical, Once again, right

Submitted by Liberallies on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 12:24pm.

Radical,

Once again, right on!

Tweens and Teenagers watch this garbage. They believe that the women and men on GLEE are of high school age and their behavior is normal and then they go do it.

Isn't fightening that Liberals like Shanw are more afraid of the Ten Commandments being taught in schools than the same kids watching garbage like Glee? and Americans wonder why our culture is in such a bad state.

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Liberallies and Radical, save your breath.

Submitted by motherbelt on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 1:25pm.

Shawn's  capacity to rationalize the abdication of standards is  inexhaustible.

I give up.  Shawn wins.  I will no longer respond when he starts defending this trash.

He's all yours.  And anyone else's who wants to waste his or her time.

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Why thank you MB

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 1:27pm.

Interesting you had to point that out to others like you are making a grand exit or something. You have a nice day.
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Why do you find that

Submitted by motherbelt on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 1:36pm.

Why do you find that "interesting"?

What is so "interesting" about it?

Are you going to now analyze me, and WHY I said what I did in the way I did?

 

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Well MB

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 1:48pm.

I thought it was interesting because you could not just ignore me, but had to get on a soap box and make it a point to tell others how you would not respond to me anymore I'm not analyzing you, just pointing out the obvious grandstanding. I figure either debate me on facts and not emotion or don't debate me at all,I really don't care. For the second time......you have a nice day.
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mb...although i will not go on and on about it, i will

Submitted by porpoiseboy on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 6:41pm.

continue to point out how 228's moral compass spins like a propeller.  and always in the defense of the the "three p's".....pot, porn, and prostitution.  that is all you need to know about him....it trumps everything else.

Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left

The best social program is a JOB...ronald reagan

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You will not keep going on and on about it Pee Pee Boy

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 6:47pm.

Yet u keeping coming back for more and more fish fry :-)
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thanks for proving how very grown up

Submitted by porpoiseboy on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 8:16pm.

you are.  you incredibly tiny little man.

Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left

The best social program is a JOB...ronald reagan

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Awww pee pee

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 8:25pm.

I'm just pointing out the fact you keep coming back to me and whining about my moral compass and not contributing much else chicken of the sea ;-)
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My Goodness LL

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 1:25pm.

That is total slander. I have absoloutly so probem with the ten commandments taught at school provided everyone that is taking part is a willing participant. Don't be so quick so assume.
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Shawn, There we go again,

Submitted by Liberallies on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 8:56pm.

Shawn,

There we go again, with your "willing participant" meme.

So, at what age do you believe an individual has the ability to be a willing participant?

Do you think a teenager, a tween has the ability to be a willing participant to anything? at what age would you say a human being has the ability to make his/her own decision taking into account everything that could go wrong, right, etc?

Why would you say that the Ten Commandments should only be taught to willing participants? Do you think Math, Science, History, Literature should only be taught to willing participants?  LOL if that were the case Junior Highs and High Schools would be empty!!!!  HA! You make very little sense!

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I'm all for the ten commandments

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 9:34pm.

I also like a group Lords Prayer. I am saying if somebody does not want to participate they can opt out. It's really very simple
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i can just imagine 228 saying a "group Lord's

Submitted by porpoiseboy on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 9:41pm.

prayer" while smoking a J, watching porn on his mobile device, on the way to pick up a hooker.

deep as a puddle

Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left

The best social program is a JOB...ronald reagan

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The sad thing is

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 9:59pm.

You have to interfere in conversations I am having wih others and you have to trash my positive views on Christianity. How sad :-(
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Shawn, You did not answer

Submitted by Liberallies on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 10:46pm.

Shawn,

You did not answer the question.

At what age can a human being make a valid, rational, morally based conclusion that they should opt out of anything? 4 years old? 7 years old? 10 years old? 13 years old? 17 years old? At what age can a human being say, that is truly something I do not believe in and I am not going to participate in it without having outside forces completly influencing your decision?

As I said, and you ignored, should we tell Tweens and Teenagers that Science, Math, History, Literature is optional? That they can opt out? If these tweens and teeangers can opt out of the Ten Commandments, how can you rationalize that can't opt out of History, Math, Science, Literature, etc?

Please address my question.

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Sure LL

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 11:14pm.

First to clear things up. The cherio comment was aimed at Porpoise boy not you. It's interesting, I have not commented on any of his posts except to welcome him back on a long absence. I used to get along with just fine, but all of a sudden he is replying to conversations I am having with others about my moral compass. It bothers him so much in fact he references me on his home page. Anyway LL. Unless it a Catholic school or Christian schoolthe ten commandments should not be taught during school hours and should be during lunch and a setting where participation is voluntary and not mandatory Edit I am not avoiding your question. A parent should be a person who decides if a person can opt out.
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let's make this clear...YOU do not have any PRIVATE

Submitted by porpoiseboy on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 11:37pm.

conversations in a public forum 228.  you always seem to take ownership of that which IS NOT yours and then don't take ownership of what IS yours...namely your lack of morality.  you are correct...we DID used to be more cordial.  and then when i pop back on here it was YOU who are all of a sudden defending the "three p's"...ad nauseum....that is not something that was in your itinerary a couple years ago.  so either YOU changed, or something, perhaps familiarity, has emboldened you.  AND you are the staunchest defender of filth that posts regularly here on NB.  sorry i will not stay silent about that.  deal with it.  hopefully in the future with a bit more cleverness than your poopoo jokes, but i really have no money on that one.

Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left

The best social program is a JOB...ronald reagan

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NB can somebody defend me here?

Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 10/31/2010 - 12:05am.

I have a reputation to uphold here. Can somebody tell Porpoiseboy that I have always loved the subjects of porn, prostitution and pot? My feelings are hurt here :-; Dude, I am always willing to have a civil debate I is you that goes for the insults. If you want to discuss my moral compass, I am game. Bring it on!!! co
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shawn i apologize...i talked to some other regulars

Submitted by porpoiseboy on Sun, 10/31/2010 - 12:18am.

and it was unanimous.  you have always been a moral-less porn freak doper.  so sorry that i used to have a different opinion of you.  i was wrong.  i really do appreciate the correction and i assure you i will not make the same mistake again.  hopefully you can find it in your small, cold, dirty little heart to forgive me.

yours truly

Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left

The best social program is a JOB...ronald reagan

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Tsk tsk so hostile dude

Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 10/31/2010 - 12:30am.

I say I would like a civil debate about my moral compass that you keep bringing up and all I hear are insults. Dude if your just going to post and run, I really don't see the point in replying to my posts
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dumb, and getting dumber

Submitted by ckc1227 on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 3:29pm.

"you and I both know that teenage boys went running and bought countless of copies of GQ, cut out the picture and now it is taped somewhere in their room."

Pfft. Yeah, sure they did.



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"99.9% of teeangers who watch

Submitted by ckc1227 on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 3:34pm.

"99.9% of teeangers who watch this show do not have a clue that the real age of the two ladies who posed for GQ are really over 18." 

And 99.9% have no clue what GQ magazine is either.


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ckc1227, Typical of a

Submitted by Liberallies on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 8:36pm.

ckc1227,

Typical of a Liberal, you are either completely clueless or are a willing liar.

While teenagers and tweens may not know what GQ magazine is, they certainly will find the cover of GQ magazine showing these two GLEE women quite appealing, especially since GQ is a magazine that is often found on the magazine stand in check out lines of a grocery store.

But hey, keep on playing naive, dumb, morality is something that Liberals know little about. There is a reason why Liberal voters do not hold their politicians to any moral standards, too many Liberals have none.

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Nope, What You Found Was A Socialist/Marxist Shakedown Cult...

Submitted by TheReal7Sticks on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 10:15am.

Phil Hendrie said it best: "The PTC is basically a group that likes to shake down corporations into obliging to their agendas. If they don't like something, they will go to the corporate sponsors and threaten them financially if they make a business transaction they disapprove of." It's the reason they associate themselves with a socialist/Marxist agenda of wanting to ban the sale of violent video games to minors, a position held by Democrats like Jerry Brown and Hillary Clinton (In fact, if Brown continues on this crusade about violent video games, I just might vote against him out of spite.).

And, P.S.: Are you still bitching about that Family Guy episode from last year? If it makes you feel any better, Stewie really was drinking a bottle of milk. How do I know this? I asked one of the manatees that wrote the episode while I was feeding it fish at Sea World.

I'm just humoring you. The writers left that up to interpretation, and I interpret that he drunk milk and you don't. Tomato, To-mah-to, Potato, Po-tah-to.   -"Big Whoop, want to fight about it?" -Paddy Tanninger, from Family Guy
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7 before you get all holier

Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 12:09pm.

7 before you get all holier than thou, let me remind you that the left is working hard to get Glen Beck off the air, and that's now been extended to getting rid of Fox News.

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Let them keep trying. The more they try to get rid of ...

Submitted by jawebster1 on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 8:49pm.

Glen(n) Beck and Fox News, the more popular Beck and Fox News becomes.  People want to know what all the fuss is about, so they tune in and say, 'This is what is supposed to be so bad?' and then they continue to watch.  The least popular 'prime time' Fox News show, Beck, has a million more viewers than the most popular show on CNN, HLN and MSNBC, Odormann.   

Jim Webster
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Parents Not Caring

Submitted by Kingfish17 on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 11:00am.

I've never watched Glee, so I checked it out to see what the rating was.  Turns out it's TV-14, which is what I would have guessed.  Here's the verbage on what TV-14 means: 

TV-14

(Parents strongly cautioned/May be unsuitable for children under 14 years of age)

Parents are strongly urged to exercise greater care in monitoring this program and are cautioned against letting children under 18 watch unattended. 

So a responsible parent should block content of TV-14 shows from their kids who are under 18 and only let their kids watch TV-14 if the parents are familiar and aprove of the content of the show?  That's what the rating infers to me.

This TV-14 rating seems pretty misleading if it means under 18 shouldn't watch unless attended by a parent.  Maybe the ratings need changing.

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I don't watch Glee. I also don't watch 'Everybody loves ...

Submitted by jawebster1 on Sat, 10/30/2010 - 8:39pm.

Raymond', or a show that sounds something like that.  A woman, supposedly from that show, called me on a 'robocall' today and said to vote for Barbara Boxer.  Since the lady I screamed at was on a recording, she didn't hear me.  Here is the situation that I vote for Barbara Boxer.  I have my choice between voting for Boxer or having both my eyes poked out with a hot poker, then she gets my vote.  If I had the choice between Boxer and having just one eye poked out, then I'd think about it. 

Jim Webster
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Got an idea...

Submitted by sean_m on Sun, 10/31/2010 - 2:59am.

How about parents be parents and actually monitor what their children are reading and watching?  That way they'll see nothing that you don't want them to see.  Like Dianna Agron said, "How did your 8 year old get a copy of GQ?" (or something along those lines).  Don't give me that crap that you can't monitor what your kids do.  If you can't control what they watch on tv, turn the cable off or take the tv out of the house.  If you don't want them talking to nasties on the Internet, take out the computer.  If you don't want them reading a GQ magazine with hot twenty-somethings dressed scantilly clad, don't buy them the magazine or don't have it in your house.  It's called taking responsibility.  Wish more people would do so instead of making everyone else at fault. 

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No dude

Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 10/31/2010 - 10:08am.

That would just make too much sense. It's the people that actually enjoy this show and think the pics are no deals fault.
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sean as I said yesterday,

Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 10/31/2010 - 10:39am.

sean as I said yesterday, then how about the government getting out of the business or moralizing to my kids?  Do you know at schools they tell kids they have a right to watch anything they want to, and parents not allowing certain books in the house is censorship and akin to book burning?  Children are taught that homosexuality is just fine and they should do it if it feels good?

So if our society is going to use the "It takes a village" mentality, I reserve the right to protest what the village is inundating my kids with.

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