Picking up the Sunday paper on November 15 could make a reader a little airsick – even while standing in the driveway. The Washington Post "news analysis" on the front page carried the headline "9/11 trial could become a parable of right and wrong: Before worldwide audience, both prosecution, defense seek control of narrative."
Does The Washington Post really think that the death and destruction of 9/11 "could" be right, or "could" be wrong?
Liberals cannot stand it when the national media won’t simply declare contentious debates over and their viewpoint settled truth. Take, for example, the allegedly inevitable impending destruction of global warming. It is the left’s position that the media should conclude one side is right and the other wrong. Conservatives should be ignored when they object. But that’s a debate over the future. It’s grotesque for an American newspaper to publish a "news analysis" that stares 9/11 in the face and said it "could" be a matter of right and wrong.
The Post’s analyst was reporter Barton Gellman, the author of a hostile biography of Dick Cheney (so he does have some definite feelings about who’s evil, after all.) He began by noting the trial of 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM for short) would make for "riveting drama." Attorney General Eric Holder proclaimed on PBS it would not be a "show trial," but Gellman echoed the headline: "both sides hope to use the case to define Sept. 11 as a parable of right and wrong."
One might dismiss the willful moral ignorance as a simple journalistic endorsement of anything done by Holder and President Obama. But it sends a clear signal of the differences between the Bush era and the Obama era, and the media’s obvious preference for the latter. Liberal journalists always admonished President Bush for his "arrogance" and "certitude," and this is what they meant: he remained certain that the Americans who died on 9/11 were victimized, and were denied their civil liberties in the most complete and horrific way.
Liberals, on the other hand, have such a talent for finding moral "complexities" that they wind up showing more outrage for the fact that KSM was waterboarded than for the fact that KSM successfully plotted the death of 3,000 Americans. While liberals beat their breasts at the outrageous prospect of KSM being tried by a military commission, most Americans would prefer hustling KSM to the top of the Empire State Building or the Statue of Liberty and throwing him off.
Putting KSM on trial in a courtroom just blocks from his "accomplishment" is a decision that Holder and Obama made not in the interests of justice, but in the interests of flashiness, showing "the eyes of the world" in the most attention-grabbing, and increasingly tiresome way possible, that they are in no way comparable to Bush.
Liberals find "world opinion" to be a much more desirable and cosmopolitan standard than the worldview of simple-minded Americans. In the Post, Gellman quoted Georgetown law professor David Cole, without even calling him a "liberal," let alone what he should really be called, a radical defender of the civil liberties of terrorists. Cole argued that this trial marks a "sea change," that the sentencing will be "seen around the world as legitimate and not fixed," since the "world" thinks military commissions would be fixed.
Journalists don’t seem to consider whether "the world" is qualified to judge America as right or wrong, when "the world" is full of thuggish regimes that aren’t a fraction as punctilious as Americans are about the rule of law. Should the butchers of Tiananmen Square get to judge us? Should the Russians get to complain after their consolidation of power in the wake of the 2004 Beslan school massacre by radical Islamists? How about most of Europe, Great Britain and a handful of others excepted, that has redefined moral cowardice in the face of radical Islam? They should judge us, too?
Why can’t our media have enough respect for facts and for their fellow countrymen that we can all see a mass-murderer like KSM as a much greater villain than say, our naked-pyramid builders at Abu Ghraib? Will our media show 9/11 footage during this trial near Ground Zero with as much repetitive ardor as they bombarded us with Abu Ghraib clips in 2004?
It’s much more likely that they’ll wonder, in that wonderfully neutral way of theirs, whether Americans or terrorists will "control the narrative." And then we can get back to real problems, like the plight of the kangaroo rat.





















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Usually there are two side to every story
Tue, 11/17/2009 - 23:06 ET by shawn228In this case, there is only one side. The scum that hijacked the planes and did this to our country deserve to burn in hell. Shame on anyone that defends their actions.
Yep, like the Ft Hood Islamo-Fascist
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 01:20 ET by 10ksnookerHe is either nuts or a Islamo-Fascist nut. In this case it's the Islamo-Fascist nut.
Same with the KSM merry band.
The only punishment should be what Roosevelt did to the NAZIs that washed up on the beach ... firing squad. To think otherwise, it's what liberals do.
If not mistaken, I think it
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 01:25 ET by JerIf not mistaken, I think it was the electric chair. And one or two were eventually released. But justice for the majority came swiftly--accompanied by finality.
Jer
I agree, shawn.
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 09:34 ET by motherbeltAnd who gives a flying fig whether or not "the world" sees the verdict and sentencing as "legitimate"????
Right and wrong is the moronic, "moral equivalence," knee-jerk reaction of the MSM...that there are always two sides to every story.
But this is hilarious....
Mohammed will do his best to turn the government's story on its head [ ] has made clear that he looks to spin an inspiring tale of martyrdom in
the cause of God and a victory over a mighty infidel power.
I don't get this. The government's "story" is one of cold-blooded murder, and his is one of martydom and victory over infidels. And this means....exactly what, as far as a trial goes?
That it was justified? Is that going to be his defense?
Let me know how that works out for ya, Mohammed.
Good morning motherbelt
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 09:37 ET by shawn228If people thought Sadamm Husseins trial was a mockery, this will be even worse.
Are you suggesting that
Tue, 11/17/2009 - 23:22 ET by criticalthinkingAre you suggesting that liberals think 9/11 was somehow not wrong?
Thank the heavenly father for Obama
They certainly like to make
Tue, 11/17/2009 - 23:25 ET by shawn228They certainly like to make excuses for these terrorist.
criticalthinking
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 00:28 ET by MrShyYou're a genius.
Yes, we are suggesting that. And then some. I've heard it, in so many words, from plenty of them.
Yep, that's it.
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 05:32 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsAre you suggesting that liberals think 9/11 was somehow not wrong?
You mean liberals like the Rev. Wright, Obama's pastor and mentor of 20 years, who screamed about 9/11 being 'America's chickens coming home to roost' while Obama and Michelle sat there, heads a' bobbing, nodding approval, in complete agreement, like two bobble headed dolls??? Those liberals? Sure. I would offer that as proof, positive.
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Not wrong?
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 07:21 ET by FranksamLiberals certainly do think that some elements of 9/11 were wrong. They feel really sorry for the illegal immigrant dishwashers who died.
I try to think of you guys
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 08:49 ET by criticalthinkingI try to think of you guys as smart people who just see the world different from me. the more i saty on this site, the more i am convinced that you are completely insane. Thankfully, i don't think most americans want to "hustle KSM up the ESB and throw him off." We are a civilized people, with rules and laws, and that's part of what makes America the best country in the world. KSM, like any mass murderer, deserves his day in court. that doesnt not mean i am a 9/11 apologist. He will have his day in court. he will be found guilty, and he will be punished to the absolute extent of the law.
Thank the heavenly father for Obama
It's "critical
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 08:54 ET by Jack BauerIt's "critical non-thinkers" like you who are proving the Republicans best friend.
Obama hacks, such as you, are parroting the line that a civilian trial will be "seen around the world as legitimate and not fixed," since the "world" thinks military commissions would be fixed.
Oddly those same hacks keep saying KSM is obviously GUILTY; and there is no chance of him being found innocent in court. I sense a contradiction.
Looks to me that Obama personally flew a plane into his administration. I'm sure this dumb decision is going to utterly destroy his presidency. Whatever happens, he loses.
But please, keep up with the delusions. Here's a REALITY for you: two-thirds of Americans polled think the foolish Obama has made a shite decision.
That include MANY sane Democrats, but no matter: the whole party is going to be tarred with this brush.
Where in the world is the
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 10:41 ET by criticalthinkingWhere in the world is the controdiction? Just becuase someone is obvisouly guilty does not mean that they dont get a trial!!!!!! It how our justice system works. Its why, outside of flyover country, we don't have a long history of lynching people on tree branches.
Thank the heavenly father for Obama
You better back that up and back it up ricky tick troll.
Fri, 12/04/2009 - 11:22 ET by JWFIts why, outside of flyover country, we don't have a long history of lynching people on tree branches.
Source that lynchboy. Are you accusing me, in Illinois, of lynching people? Are you accusing my friends, relatives, neighbors of lynching? Are you accusing my grandparents or great grandparents of lynching? What do you mean by long history? How long? Right up until recently? Are you saying our court system here is lynching people without trials?
Back it the hell up now! We are not your whipping post just because you have never visited here.
SOURCE YOUR LYNCHING STATEMENT NOW.
Most not Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
JWF,
Fri, 12/04/2009 - 11:29 ET by Trix RabbitI've previously asked for an answer from this puerile idiot and I have yet to receive a reply.
You are asking waaaaay too much from a non-entity who lacks the brains and the cojones to back up what it says.
For the MSM: In your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me. As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
Ian Anderson "Wind up"
I dont care what people
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 10:48 ET by criticalthinkingI dont care what people around the world think. I care very deeply that we stay true to our notions of justice . Leave the water boarding to Latin American dictators, leave the tortue to medeval war lords. Give laws and courtrooms. Praise Obama.
Thank the heavenly father for Obama
Yeah, yeah, you're a 9/11
Fri, 12/04/2009 - 09:15 ET by bretzysdudeYeah, yeah, you're a 9/11 truther, aren't you?
GET OFF THE WEB, YOU BIG DOPE!!!
NEGATIVE
Fri, 12/04/2009 - 11:35 ET by MrShyLeave the water boarding to Latin American dictators...
Uh-uh, you simple mind. Leave the water-boarding -- and more, if necessary -- to our good men and women going up against terrorist Jihadist murderers bent on ending the modern, free world that we all know and cherish.
To do otherwise would, in essence, mean you're joining forces with them.
"Like any mass
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 09:48 ET by mattm"Like any mass murderer"???? Really? I suppose you think he should be freed because nobody read him his rights, eh? What an idiot!
Ever hear of an "act of war"? This guy is NOT entitled to the Constitutional protections American citizens have. The terrorists are enemy combatants and should face military tribunals like 99% of the others we caught in the WOT.
This is nothing but a show trial designed to make Bush & Co. look bad. But all it's accomplishing is to weaken this country, make us more vulnerable to attack, and make Satan's Helper Obama look like the total moron he is.
The idiocy you display is exactly why it's so dangerous to let liberals have political power.
Mattm, if there was an
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 10:44 ET by criticalthinkingMattm, if there was an all-star team for repeating verbatim the talking points that you read somewhere else, you would be my starting point guard.
More generally speaking the people out there that think that a NY jury is looking for excuses to find this guy not guilty are the most dilusional. Do you honestly think a NY jury or judge would throw out a case against the 9/11 mastermind based on a technicality???!!!!! Have you ever spent any time in a courtroom?
Thank the heavenly father for Obama
You are absolutely wrong.
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 10:49 ET by mattmYou are absolutely wrong.
critical thinking
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 10:49 ET by shawn228I'm not saying they do not deserve a trial. I am saying that it should not be open to the public. The terrorist know they will be found guilty and most likely sentenced to death, so their final act of martyrism is to embarrass America.
Not to mention the serious security concerns of having this in New York.
shawn -- you are one of the
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 15:37 ET by Jack Bauershawn -- you are one of the sane Democrats (think you're a D) I mentioned in my previous post.
I think you sense this crazy, unprecedented decision is going to do a lot of damage.
Not least to the Democrat party and to Obama personally. I have no problem with that. But I have a great problem with the unnecessary turmoil it is going to cause.
Despite the clear political advantages this is going to offer Reps and conservatibves in an election year, I still think it should not happen for the sake of many people. Not least the 9/11families.
I do think the Bush admin should have instituted the military tribunals two years ago though. They are not blameless here.
No one in the Obama administration has yet explained the contradiction of their talking points that this is a "fair trial" and yet they keep reassuring that there's no way he won't be found guilty.
That blows away the bogus idea that it's necessay to do it to "prove" the US has fair trials. That's not going to play on thre "Muslim" street. So what's the point?
I follow the wise counsel of Debra Burlingame on this one.
To answer your questions,
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 10:54 ET by BuffNBoneTo answer your questions, yes and yes.
Do you think KSM should have been read his Miranda rights (or the military equivalent)? Or should a judge rule that exigent circumstances prevailed?
"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
We gave Nazis trials, didn't
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 10:51 ET by balboaWe gave Nazis trials, didn't we?
The King of the Non Sequitur strikes again!
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 11:17 ET by mattmAre you refering to Nuremberg? That's a teeny weeny bit different. Besides a military tribunal would be a trial, therfore you're supposed point is completely baseless, as usual.
We gave the Nazis saboteurs
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 15:09 ET by NL207We gave the Nazi saboteurs who landed on our shores from submarines trials, all right.
Franklin Roosevelt ordered that they be subjected to a military tribunal, not the Federal Courts. Roosevelt directed his AG, Francis Biddle, to prosecute them personally. All 8 conspirators were convicted as spies and sentenced to death. 6 were executed in the electric chair at the DC jail. Roosevelt commuted the death sentences of two to Life and 30 years for their cooperation.
All of this took place within 4 months of their capture. Compare this to how these terrorists have been handled. Bush was indecisive by comparison. Holder and Obama are downright incompetent if not treasonous.
The one line crypto-troll pipes in again? Idiot.
Fri, 12/04/2009 - 11:49 ET by JWFbalboa the crypto-troll: We gave Nazis trials, didn't we?
Are you talking about Nazis that never set foot on our soil? NO, we did not IDIOT.
Are you talking about German Spies? What evidence do you have that German Spies were Nazis? IDIOT. And no they were tried in a military tribunal. IDIOT ALL AROUND. IDIOT GETS SMACKED IN THE FOREHEAD BY STUPID. IDIOT GETS MAD AND SAYS THIS?
balboa the crypto troll: Uh, we tried nazis right?
No idiot we did not.
I see this question was answered before.
Fri, 12/04/2009 - 12:00 ET by JWFWhy didn't the crypto-dummy do the right thing and thank the people above for answering his question.
balboa the crypto-dummy: I am not a troll.
Yes. Yes you are.
since when
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 19:10 ET by UndercoverConservativesince when were "mass murderers" treated the same as common criminals? Or even serial killers? Nuremberg trials were not 'another day in court' type events, and I doubt anyone actually believes they were for anything other than posturing and show before the predetermined verdicts were carried out.
he didn't plan to kill an individual for profit or grudge. He chose a landmark as a "statement" and indiscriminantly and deliberately set the system into motion.
This guy is a modern day Nazi who, unlike octegenarian camp guards who assisted in the killing, created the policy and helped train the "shove in the family" squad" and the "turn on the gas" technicians.
But because he's Muslim it's somehow different?
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Liberals don't think, they
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 09:54 ET by mattmLiberals don't think, they feel. They feel bad for the terrorists who have been so oppressed that they were compelled to commit an act of mass murder. They are victims of the oppressive Americans who want to buy oil and sell food. Their terrorism is a cry for help.
You need to change your moniker to trivialfeelings...
Mattm, if there was an
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 10:46 ET by criticalthinkingMattm, if there was an all-star team for people who respond to posts without reading what the original post actually said, you would be my starting center. I don't feel sorry for KSM at all, and my only feelings towards him are of pure anger for violently attacking my country. That's why I can't wait for him to get dealt the full force of legtimate american justice.
Thank the heavenly father for Obama
"...the full force of
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 10:51 ET by mattm"...the full force of legtimate american justice. "
They would be more likely to get that in a military tribunal.
I don't think you think as critically as you think you think.
bye now, trivialfeelings...have a nice day.
critical, you are so incompetent in your analysis I would not
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 15:14 ET by pahuberallow you to clean the toilets for fear of you screwing that up.
I am just.....
Tue, 11/17/2009 - 23:51 ET by pantrymantoo friggin angry after reading this to say much except curse words.
I take no delight in fools......
Remember in November 2010
KSM trial in NY
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 00:22 ET by merlin61This is an obscenity. Even a military tribunal is too
good for these scum bags.
And to think.....
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 02:43 ET by pantryman...some idiot somewhere is going to give them the same legal protection that is given to civilian American citizens.
But they are not American citizens at all. Rather they want to KILL American citizens. ALL American citizens !
This is not mercy. This is not justice. This is stupidity ! What about some justice for the Americans that died in the three attacks?
I want to know what POS SOB thought up this legal clusterf**k !
The SOB should be hung up by his scroggins.
And the message we send is what? Strength? Power?
No, the message we send is limp. Wimpy. Decisionless, and lacking backbone.
Our enemies laugh at us...and they love Barry. Why? Because they have observed his reaction when a decision is needed. They know Barry is a limp d**k with no spine or even common sense. Bowing and scraping every time he leaves home.
You cannot appease a bully...but you can educate him. He may make a meal out of your ass but you can make a sandwich out of his. Time after time after time, if necessary...
Remember in November 2010
Does The Washington Post
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 00:25 ET by JerDoes The Washington Post really think that the death and destruction of 9/11 "could" be right, or "could" be wrong?
No, and nothing in the article even remotely suggests such is the view of the Post. To even pose the question is insidious and shameful, for Bozell is far too intelligent to have so profoundly misinterpreted the author's analysis.
Jer
Jer
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 00:32 ET by MrShyAnd you translate....
Before worldwide audience, both prosecution, defense seek control of narrative."
... how?
You're at it again, Jer.
"And you
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 00:49 ET by Jer"And you translate....
Before worldwide audience, both prosecution, defense seek control of narrative."
... how?"
A simple recognition of the legal realities at play in any criminal proceeding, and particularly one so highly publicized and tried amidst enormous international interest.
Jer
Okay.
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 00:56 ET by MrShyOkay.
We Should Have.....
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 06:08 ET by GeneralAlWe should have arrested these guys the old Soviet way, with a bullet between the eyes! As Comrade obama takes us down the road to Communism, I hope these butt licking dogs at the WP realize that they will be the first he lines up before his purity firing squads!
two goals
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 07:05 ET by m1xramI think there are two goals here. The first is an attack on the Bush administration to weaken our country with the added benefit of a huge distraction from current policy implementations which will weaken our country.
Second, I suspect Eric Holder is attempting to make the country weaker by helping the terrorists get released as he has done previously for other terrorists like the Weather Underground and FALN.
We shall have to wait and see if their Cloward-Piven strategy works.
He has already failed... his country.
a very real possibility.
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 07:33 ET by puredmashieif ag holder deems waterboarding as torture, and terrorists captured on the battlefield should be given the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens (and he does), then all evidence gathered is inadmissible. by virtue of his own decrees he has no case.
get ready for a firestorm.
swing hard in case you hit it.
Cole argued that this
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 07:19 ET by Jack BauerReally. So when official Obama apparatchiks like Holder pronounce that KSM is GUILTY; and there is NO chance of him being found innocent in court, how exactly is that NOT FIXED.
Obama just personally flew two planes into his administration. This dumb decision is going to utterly destroy his presidency. Just you watch and wait.
I've said it before and
Wed, 11/18/2009 - 17:11 ET by Doc_NavyI've said it before and I'll say it again, until Liberals figure out that killing an innocent unborn child (It's not a "fetus", it's a Baby.) is wrong, they can kiss my A** over waterboarding a known terrorist who has attacked and killed over 3000 Americans.
Especially since millitary personnel are ROUTINELY waterboarded durning SERE training and nobody seems to think that's wrong.
Doc