Daniel Bergner isn’t the devil’s advocate, but he is a pervert’s apologist. This author and contributor to the New York Times Magazine has a new book titled "The Other Side of Desire" which argues it is unfair to judge bizarre, harmful, and disgusting sexual attractions as bizarre, harmful, and disgusting.
Bergner’s book focuses on four real-life fetishists: a husband with a secret foot fetish, a man with an attraction to amputees, a vicious female sadist, and a man who longs for sex with his 12-year-old stepdaughter. Book reviews and interviews suggest he hasn’t written a book to judge the fetishists, but rather to judge the society that would rush to condemn their drives and behaviors.
Bergner tries to define deviancy down by quoting one of his experts, a New York psychiatrist who quips, "perversion can be defined as the sex that you like and I don't."
Unsurprisingly, Bergner has the support of many book critics. Media outlets enjoyed promoting the book by picking out and running with the most salacious tidbits. The book contains several subplots beneath its four primary characters. A Bergner interview with Salon.com began by introducing readers to one of the minor characters in the book, a Wall Street retiree wearing a red latex bodysuit and a black hood who is strapped to a table while electric shocks are surged into his genitals.
Faced with this indelible picture of sickness, Bergner instead provides the man strapped to the table with an opportunity for self-defense. "Is this a weird way to deal with life?" this freak asks. Then the man continues: "Consider the man who bought Mark McGwire's seventieth home-run ball for three million dollars. Who's weirder?"
The most objectionable of Bergner’s four primary perverted subjects (and the only one that seems to disgust him in the least) is "Roy," the man attracted to his young stepdaughter. In real life, he succeeded in seducing the child, which consequently destroyed his marriage. Condemnable? Of course not. Bergner told Salon that Roy’s perverse pull toward pre-teens "falls in this blurry area on the continuum" and "the psychological boundaries are a lot less clear than we’d like to think...We all want there to be a clear line, and there just isn't."
Luckily for society and for young girls, there is a clear legal line, a black-and-white definition of right and wrong. It’s called statutory rape.
It’s natural that a New York Times contributor would draw praise in the New York Times Book Review, but the reviewer, National Public Radio commentator Lori Gottlieb, went beyond the call of duty in her February 8 piece. She aggressively touted Bergner’s literary and journalistic gifts, then took up the banner of his libertine crusade to blur all lines between the decent and the repulsive.
Under a disturbing photograph of a man in a black leather mask, the Times review came headlined with euphemistic phrases, about "a love life less ordinary" and "eccentric sexual yearnings." Gottlieb professed amazement at the book: "I’m no longer sure where normal ends and abnormal begins."
Gottlieb joined Bergner is making excuses for Roy, the child abuser, by passing along the words of Roy’s employer: "Everybody has these thoughts. The only thing that separates him from you and me is we didn’t act on them."
Pause that, and rewind. "Everybody" has thoughts of seducing a 12-year-old stepdaughter? "That’s ridiculous," you (and just about anyone) say. But "just about anyone" doesn’t include the New York Times book reviewer, who labored to defend that ridiculous statement. Researchers agree, Gottlieb insisted, since tests on Roy’s attraction to different age groups showed only a slightly greater attraction to adolescent girls than to adult women. "This shouldn’t surprise anyone familiar with those ubiquitous billboards featuring half-naked teenagers selling adult underwear. But how many middle-aged men, especially those with daughters, would admit to this attraction in public?"
It doesn’t occur to Gottlieb that she is tarring society with a really fat brush. Not "everyone" is guilty of hypocrisy, or lusting after children in their care. Most everyone would condemn both the man plotting to seduce adolescents -- and the sleazy advertisers who sell underwear with teenage models, or models attempting to look like teenagers.
What these people call "moral ambiguity" leads inexorably to moral paralysis. Its champions in our popular culture aren’t trying to redefine the boundaries as much as destroy them. They may look like playful pundits who just want to talk graphically about sex for fun and profit. But they’re constructing a funhouse with mirrors so distorted that the people inside will be lost without any guideposts for an escape.
The commercial possibilities for Bergner’s exploitation of perversion may be never-ending. Gottlieb concluded: "On one level, this book has all the elements of a top-rated HBO series – provocatively graphic sex, humorous dialogue, and moral ambiguity."
[Photo from a Bergner interview at Nerve.com]
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Falls into a blurry area?
February 15, 2009 - 17:25 ET by JWFOnly to a fellow pederast is it blurry.
The laws on statutory rape are among the few laws that people can universally agree are needed.
Marijuana should be placed with narcotics for sentencing. Speed limit should be 65. Concealed carry laws. Chickens as pets in town. Seatbelts. Helmets. Hitchhiking. Those can be blurry and they have arguments on both sides.
Sex with a prepubescent - Roundly condemned. No arguments.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
just like the homos 30 years
February 16, 2009 - 10:40 ET by TruthMongerjust like the homos 30 years ago - just give it time
Good morning Truth
February 16, 2009 - 10:50 ET by cocodrieI believe that you are correct. I have been witnessing our morals spiral downward for many years. If we don't snap out of it soon, we are going to crash.
Jesus Loves You
They are turned over to their perversions.
February 16, 2009 - 17:40 ET by MaximusBraveheartThey are turned over to their perversions. If you deny God he will reject you and turn you over from his protection. If you do not choose to be "delivered from evil," you choose to be turned over to it.
M-B
Ref: Romans 1:18, 24-28, 32 and other at:
http://www.jimfeeney.org/againstgaymarriage.html (fyi this applies to all sexual sins, not just gay, so don't bash me on that! Everyone can be guilty of such, not just gay relations.)
This was great; snip below from a world w/o faith: http://chicagoubf.or...
Fourth, they become unnatural and perverse. (26,27) Look at verse
26b. "Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural
ones." A woman is the symbol of beauty and the mother of the universe.
But when they live without God, some cannot satisfy their promiscuous
desires with men only, so these women satisfy their desires with other
women. As a result, they lose their womanly beauty and become women of
perversion. Men are symbols of courage and protection. But when men live
without God, they become too sensitive and fearful. They also cannot
satisfy their physical desires with their wives, so they satisfy their
desires with other men. (27) In other words, they engage in homosexuality,
which is most unnatural and perverse in the sight of God. In this way they
provoke God to anger, and they pile up the wrath of God on their heads.
M-B
The most objectionable of
February 15, 2009 - 17:31 ET by MidAmericaThe most objectionable of Bergner’s four primary perverted subjects (and the only one that seems to disgust him in the least) is "Roy," the man attracted to his young stepdaughter. In real life, he succeeded in seducing the child, which consequently destroyed his marriage.
There is the man's real evil. He was willing to destroy the life of a child who was in his care just to satisfy his cravings. The liberals want to obscure what is moral but have no problem with telling us we can't cook our french fries in trans-fats. I bet this girl would have had a much better chance at a good life had the guy gave her greasy french fries than what he did.
Moral ambiguity. Enough
February 15, 2009 - 17:40 ET by bigtimerMoral ambiguity.
Enough said.
Is anyone suprised at the lack
February 15, 2009 - 17:50 ET by katiejaneof moral standards of liberals?
More evidence of what
February 15, 2009 - 18:14 ET by motherbeltMore evidence of what happens when people deny basic values
of right and wrong. There is no "right or wrong" any more; only "legal
and illegal."
Thankfully this kind of thing is still illegal, for now at least.
This is why perverts want the APA to change the terminology from Pedophilia to "intergernerational sex." They want a values-neutral term. Because who is anyone to decide what turns someone else on is wrong? These are all "arbitrary" standards....
And you know.....Diff'rent Strokes for Diff'rent Folks..
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
I don't see the big deal here.
February 15, 2009 - 18:19 ET by shawn228If a person has foot fetish, or likes a little S & M that is so wrong? A person that is attracted to amputees is a little weird, but far from disgusting.
I agree with the argument about the attraction to 12 year old stepdaughter can be labeled as disgusting,
He had my vote
If there was ever a post
February 15, 2009 - 18:28 ET by BlazerIf there was ever a post that was custom made for Shawn........well whoomp.......here it is.
: )
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Hi Blazer
February 15, 2009 - 18:42 ET by shawn228I remember you wanted to a little sharing a while back. :-)
He had my vote
O.K. you got me there
February 15, 2009 - 19:13 ET by BlazerO.K. you got me there Shawn. Damn good referencing memory, by the way.
Of course the difference is, I was just joking. : )
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Of course the difference is, I was just joking. : )
February 15, 2009 - 19:20 ET by shawn228Yeah right, you just wanted help to explore 2 options, maybe even a third :-)
He had my vote
Shawn, Shawn, Shawn. If
February 15, 2009 - 19:29 ET by BlazerShawn, Shawn, Shawn. If ever there was a case of wishful thinking, well you displayed it.
Nonetheless, LOL , that was funny!!
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
If Gotliebb is no longer
February 15, 2009 - 19:17 ET by RMRIf Gotliebb is no longer sure where normal ends and abnormal begins. Then it wouldn't be long before Gottlieb, Bergner and the rest of his merry-band-of-progressive-freaks extend that" - blurry area on the continuum" to include 4 year olds.
Good Lord! What a bunch of sick freaks!
To say the obvious
February 15, 2009 - 19:26 ET by KC MulvilleThere is virtue and there is vice. One must know the difference between the two. To argue that vice is a virtue is perversion.
Moral sophomores like the ones described here are usually convinced that they've evolved past bourgeois morality. They usually think they're the first to question morality, but they find themselves at the back of a line that started before the Greeks. It's been done before, you know?
Who is more virtuous?
February 15, 2009 - 19:48 ET by nwahsWho do think is more virtuous, a person who cheats on their spouse once or twice or a person who harbors incestuous feelings and never acts upon them?
I don't think a person
February 15, 2009 - 20:01 ET by mostlymoderateI don't think a person should be held accountable for the feelings they might harbor inside. I DO think a person should be held accountable for the feelings they ACT on. Therefore, the person who actually cheats on his wife in many situations is more disturbing to me.
In fact, I think the person that actually can overcome his evil desires is commendable. Ofcourse this leads us back to "what is evil"? Is it a community standard or a personal standard? Obviously, in regards to the law it is a "community standard".
Totally Agree MM
February 15, 2009 - 20:04 ET by shawn228Where is the line in the sad when if feelings they harbor inside are disgusting.
Ie Was it disgusting to think Anna Kounicova was hot when she was 17?
He had my vote
The line is different for
February 15, 2009 - 20:11 ET by mostlymoderateThe line is different for everyone I guess. I would admit that Anna Kournikova was very hot at 17. On the other hand, I would feel like something was wrong with me if I harbored the same feelings about someone like Miley Cyrus (for no reason other than she looks like a baby). Luckily, the law defines these standards for us; anything under 18 is against public policy and off limits: even the 17 year old Anna Kournikova.
MM
February 15, 2009 - 20:34 ET by shawn228I believe she is 16 years old. She does not look very young here.
He had my vote
I forgot about those photos.
February 15, 2009 - 20:41 ET by mostlymoderateI forgot about those photos. Ok, she does look adult in that photo. I wonder why they made her look so pale? Reminds me of the old band 'The Cure'. Almost zombie-like.
OK you two... wait till
February 15, 2009 - 20:45 ET by MidAmericaOK you two... wait till you have daughters older than that and then when you look at that picture you will see a young girl that's too young to be made up like a sex object.
midamerica
February 15, 2009 - 20:50 ET by shawn228I am not saying it is okay to have relations with Miley Cyris, I am saying that is not wrong to find her attractive
He had my vote
Ditto!
February 15, 2009 - 20:59 ET by mostlymoderateDitto! The real criminals are the people that MAKE these girls sex objects: Hollywood, fashion industry, media, etc.
MM
February 15, 2009 - 21:13 ET by sherylsimsAnd don't forget the girls' own parents who have to be ultimately responsible for letting it happen. None of these girls showed up as orphans on Hollywood's doorstep. They were all driven to the auditions, etc. by mom or dad who are usually THRILLED with their daughter's "success" (perhaps hoping to benefit from it.) I find it wholly irresponsible for any parent of a minor child to participate in the downfall of their own offspring.
Yeah I know. There's
February 15, 2009 - 21:05 ET by MidAmericaYeah I know. There's nothing wrong with you guys. I'm just pointing out when you have daughters and they grow up to be wonderful wives and mothers it makes you protective of all young women.
Totally agree. I already
February 15, 2009 - 21:36 ET by mostlymoderateTotally agree. I already feel really protective of my 13 yo niece. I can't even fathom how I would feel about my own child.
shawn, there is a WORLD of
February 15, 2009 - 22:00 ET by motherbeltshawn, there is a WORLD of difference between finding a young girl attractive, and hitting on her!
And someone can struggle with all sorts of improper thoughts about a young girl or boy and yet never act on them. So I would say, in answer to your question above, that the one who cheats on his/her spouse is worse.
We cannot help what feelings and urges pop into our heads. (For a good example, try to sit for 5 minutes quietly, without thinking the word "Alligator.")
It all depends on whether one gives in to the temptation.
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
get thee behind us ye
February 16, 2009 - 11:00 ET by TruthMongerget thee behind us ye satan's of this thread
http://www.believersweb.org/view.cfm?ID=947
According to definition,
February 15, 2009 - 20:05 ET by iluvdaisiesAccording to definition, virtue is "The quality of doing what is right and avoiding what is wrong," so I guess the answer would be obvious. I think what is so disturbing about this article is that the author is trying to lump incest/molestation into a group of sexual fetishes, thereby "normalizing" that behavior as just a "fetish." It's been done before - homosexuality. If "experts" can just "normalize" behaviours in society, we will not be able to restrict anything. Part of the homosexual agenda is to make pedophelia normal, and then legal. This is why many of us are against the homosexual movement, not the choice of individuals to engage in homosexual relationships. We just know that their agenda is to go one step further, and then another. It won't end.
I agree that the author
February 15, 2009 - 20:14 ET by mostlymoderateI agree that the author should not have lumped incest/molestation in with other sexual fetishes. Incest/molestation HURT other people. Sexual fetishes usually don't hurt others if done by consenting adults and out of public view. Unless, ofcourse, we are talking about masochism because that might hurt those involved A LOT! :)
homosexuality and pedophelia are different
February 15, 2009 - 21:40 ET by shawn228I am not saying no homosexuals want pedophellia legalized, but I would say the vast majority of the gay community know the difference between sex between and consenting adults and sex with children that are vulnerable and do not know any better.
He had my vote
Huh? I did not realize you were the expert.
February 15, 2009 - 21:48 ET by JWFSo the vast majority of homosexuals are not pederasts? Just John Wayne Gacy and Michael Jackson.
You would know this how, again?
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
JWF
February 15, 2009 - 21:58 ET by shawn228I admit I am not an expert. I know the gays I know, are good people, they just have different partners, but they are good people and want to protect children.
It is just and opinion, just like how I am pretty certain the majority of Catholic Priest do not want pedophilia legalized. Do I know for sure? No, but just because a few rotten apples gives a bad stigmatta, it does not mean the majority of them advocate it
He had my vote
1930's germans were "good
February 16, 2009 - 11:21 ET by TruthMonger1930's germans were "good people" too
this thread demonstrates the slippery slope beautifully
Anita?
February 15, 2009 - 22:09 ET by nwahsIs that you, Anita?
Oscar?
February 15, 2009 - 22:22 ET by JWFIs that you, Oscar Wilde?
You list of heroes is strange
February 15, 2009 - 22:29 ET by nwahsYou have a strange list of heroes.
Good eveninmg Shawn
February 15, 2009 - 22:08 ET by cocodrieThese behaviors go by different names but they are both deviant, depraved practices.
Jesus Loves You
cocodrie
February 15, 2009 - 22:13 ET by shawn228I get squeemish even when two guys are wearing shorts in the back of a car and bare legs touch each other.
It disgust me, but I am not going to accuse someone of deviant behavior when it affects nobody but themselves.
Pediaphelia affects children and can scar them for life. Homosexuality is between two consenting adults.
He had my vote
I get squeemish even when
February 15, 2009 - 22:18 ET by BlazerI get squeemish even when two guys are wearing shorts in the back of a car and bare legs touch each other.
Homophobe much? That's very un-liberal and hate-mongerish of you Shawn. ; )
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Lol Blazer
February 15, 2009 - 22:24 ET by shawn228You should see how squeemish I got when the girl that washes my hair was not there. A dude offered to do it., I did not want to be rude, but when he was massaging my scalp I felt like I was getting a ice water enema. ewwww.
He had my vote
So I'll go out on a limb
February 15, 2009 - 22:27 ET by BlazerSo I'll go out on a limb here and take it you voted against Prop: 8 like a good liberal ? Am i wrong?
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Blazer
February 15, 2009 - 22:40 ET by shawn228Happy NB birthday to you btw. In all seriousness I am not against gays, but voting no on Prop 8 would have been a pretty slippery slope.
Look at what is going on now, even though it passed.
He had my vote
Shawn
February 15, 2009 - 22:31 ET by cocodrieThese lifestyles are deviant because they deviate from the norm. They are depraved because of the things they do whether it is in private or in public.
I cannot bounce back and forth on moral issues, and these activities are totally wrong.
Jesus Loves You
cocodrie
February 15, 2009 - 22:44 ET by shawn228wrong or not, nobody is forcing you or anyone under 18 to partake against your will.
He had my vote
You're right Shawn
February 15, 2009 - 22:56 ET by cocodrieYou're right Shawn I'm not forced to, but the young victims of these degenerates are forced to.
Maybe I've misjudged you but you seem to approve of these lifestyles.
Jesus Loves You
but the young victims of these degenerates are forced to.
February 15, 2009 - 23:05 ET by shawn228" but the young victims of these degenerates are forced to."
Cocodrie, that is exactly the point I am trying to make. I support a person right to what they want behind closed doors between consenting adults.
The young victims should be protected. I suspect you know exactly what I mean, but are trying to twist my words just like when you accused me of hating President Bush when I asked you if he admitted there were no wmd.
He had my vote
No Shawn,
February 15, 2009 - 23:12 ET by cocodrieNo Shawn, I'm not trying to twist your words. I'm saying that that lifestyle is wrong - Hidden or public.
If something is wrong, it's wrong no matter where.
Courtesy of the U.N. NAMBLA is promoting this corruption of children throughout the world.
Jesus Loves You
people "behind closed doors"
February 16, 2009 - 11:25 ET by TruthMongerpeople "behind closed doors" get outside everyday - they vote, they hang out at playgrounds, internet teen chat rooms - everything that happens in the universe effects us all every minute of every day - isn't Hitler still effecting us right now? The butterfly effect...
Wow TM
February 16, 2009 - 12:26 ET by shawn228Glad to see you are off your Muslim apologist schtick, now your back onto gays being pediphiles topic again.
Just going by memory, you said you were taking classes, How is the anger management class going? Are you finished yet?
He had my vote
Just curious, Shawn...
February 15, 2009 - 22:38 ET by JerJust curious, Shawn...
Exactly how does an ice water enema feel?
Jer
Jer
February 15, 2009 - 22:53 ET by shawn228I would imagine pretty darn chilly Jer :-O
He had my vote
shawn...
February 15, 2009 - 23:00 ET by JerI suspect it would give a whole new meaning to the phrase "freezing your ass off".
Jer
LOL here...can't help
February 15, 2009 - 23:05 ET by bigtimerLOL here...can't help it.
That was a good one.
bt...
February 15, 2009 - 23:24 ET by JerHave I told you how much better it makes me feel when you smile at something I say instead of snapping at me. Friends?
Jer
Jer... Feelings mutual.
February 15, 2009 - 23:29 ET by bigtimerJer...
Feelings mutual.
I guess that would be a deep, deep freeze
February 15, 2009 - 23:08 ET by thebutlerdiditPlease tell me Shawn is not defending toe jam lickers and butt rangers on here like they are good moral folk. Please.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
~All a y'all put down them thar clubs
February 15, 2009 - 23:16 ET by choselife3xShawn cain't help bein' a little messed up, now. He war RAISED thata way. Let us help the pore feller to overcome.
(she said piously)
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
lol Chose
February 15, 2009 - 23:29 ET by shawn228Its nice to know when you are posting. Cool Arrow has his arrow and you have your ~.
I wonder what symbal people here would give me. hmmm. ( )o( ).
On second thought I don't need one.
He had my vote
I wonder what symbal people
February 15, 2009 - 23:34 ET by BlazerI wonder what symbal people here would give me. hmmm.
howz about the Canuckistanian Mapleleaf,.... jus sayin'. : )
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Blaze
February 15, 2009 - 23:36 ET by shawn228Lol, I think I stole the A-Hole symbal from RDH. I sure don't miss the taxes in Canada.
He had my vote
~Ah, now I get it
February 15, 2009 - 23:45 ET by choselife3xSorry guys, my innocent mind didn't get that symbol.
Shawn darling, anybody who calls you that is gonna feel my cave woman club.
*grunt, scratch, leer*
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Thx chose :-)
February 15, 2009 - 23:48 ET by shawn228We need to go out and get some mutton soon :-) Just for clarification I'm not calling RD a a-hole, I think he was the one that created the symbol
He had my vote
anybody who calls you that
February 16, 2009 - 00:07 ET by Blazeranybody who calls you that is gonna feel my cave woman club.
*grunt, scratch, leer*
No need for a marriage proposal clx3, but hey thnx
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
~D@mmit Blaze!
February 16, 2009 - 00:31 ET by choselife3xI thought I told you to stay in the cave!
You were supposed to FINISH that crude hunting scene on the wall before you came out and fiddled with that stoopid 'wheel' thingie.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Shawn
February 15, 2009 - 23:57 ET by cocodrieJust have a W tattooed on each cheek. that way when you lay down it will spell WOW. When you get sentimental, roll over and it will spell MOM.
Jesus Loves You
coco
February 16, 2009 - 00:01 ET by sherylsimsAAAACKKKK ROFL!!
tbdi
February 15, 2009 - 23:18 ET by JerI thought the toe jam lickers and butt rangers were those two country bands who did a gig in Calhoun, GA last weekend.
Jer
Jer, if they didn't, they should have! I know how well that
February 15, 2009 - 23:22 ET by thebutlerdiditstuff goes over in the Cal-hoon area.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
Ok. More than we need to know please.
February 15, 2009 - 22:28 ET by JWF"I get squeemish even when two guys are wearing shorts in the back of a car and bare legs touch each other."
Yet you pay to watch and take pictures from the front seat. How tormented of an existence you must lead. The self loathing must be intolerable.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
If anyone on this site is as annoying as Pop Tech
February 15, 2009 - 22:37 ET by shawn228It would be you JWF, that comeback was not even worthy of Bob Saget aka Danny Tanner of Full House
At least you got past making fun of my name. Perhaps you back up what you say about the correlation between gays and pediphiles instead of fighting your imaginary psychic war.
He had my vote
It was a joke.
February 15, 2009 - 22:42 ET by JWFRelax.
Some might even laugh. Not my fault you leave yourself wide open. No, not even Bob Saget could have come up with a better reply. I am THAT good.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
He's just reiterating
February 15, 2009 - 22:42 ET by nwahsHe's just saying for the 12th time, that he's heterosexual.
You gota wonder about those that say that 12 times.
I think he's tapping his toes :)
Nwahs
February 15, 2009 - 22:50 ET by shawn228"I think he's tapping his toes :)"
He sure is trying hard to convince us he is heteral, ya gotta wonder exactly who or what he is tapping.
Ted Haggard anyone?
He had my vote
A serious case of "Happy Feet"
February 15, 2009 - 23:34 ET by thebutlerdidit"Larry, is that you?"
"Yeah, who's there?"
"Vidal. Gore Vidal."
"Have we met?"
"We have now."
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
You ask. We deliver.
February 15, 2009 - 23:09 ET by JWFPerhaps you back up what you say about the correlation between gays and pediphiles.
http://www.afany.org/HPR.pdf
Homosexual Alfred Kinsey, the preeminent sexual researcher in the history of sexual research, found in 1948 that 37 percent of all male homosexuals admitted to having sex with children under 17 years old.4
A very recent (2000) study published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior found that "The best epidemiological evidence indicates that only 2-4% of men attracted to adults prefer men. In contrast, around 25-40% of men attracted to children prefer boys. Thus, the rate of homosexual attraction is 620 times higher among pedophiles."5
Another 2000 study in the Archives of Sexual Behavior found that". . . all but 9 of the 48 homosexual men preferred the youngest two male age categories" for sexual activity;' These age categories were fifteen and twenty years old.6
Yet another recent study in the Archives of Sexual Behavior found that "Pedophilia appears to have a greater than chance association with two other statistically infrequent phenomena. The first of these is homosexuality . . . Recent surveys estimate the prevalence of homosexuality, among men attracted to adults, in the neighborhood of 2%. In contrast, the prevalence of homosexuality among pedophiles may be as high as 30-40%."7
A 1989 study in the Journal of Sex Research noted that " . . . the proportion of sex offenders against male children among homosexual men is substantially larger than the proportion of sex offenders against female children among heterosexual men . . . the development of pedophilia is more closely linked with homosexuality than with heterosexuality."8
A 1988 study of 229 convicted child molesters published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior found that 86% of pedophiles described themselves as homosexual or bisexual.9
In a 1984 Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy article, sex researchers found that "The proportional prevalence of [male] offenders against male children in this group of 457 offenders against children was 36 percent."10
Homosexual activists Karla Jay and I Allen Young revealed in their 1979 Gay Report that 73% of all homosexuals I have acted as "chicken hawks" - that is, they have preyed on adolescent or younger boys. 11
In a 1992 study published in the Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy, sex researchers K. Freud and R. I. Watson found that homosexual males are three times more likely than straight men to engage in pedophilia, and that the average pedophile victimizes between 20 and 150 boys before being arrested.12
A study by sex researchers Alan Bell and Martin Weinberg found that 25% of white homosexual men have had sex with boys sixteen years and younger. 13
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
That's a stretch JWF and
February 15, 2009 - 22:47 ET by BlazerThat's a stretch JWF and a low blow imho..
Shawn is no different than a lot of us conservatives. Although he may not condone or agree with homosexual behavior, he also doesn't think they should be persecuted or pidgeonholed because of thier sexual beliefs.
I agree.Believe it or not, there are also gay conservatives.
I read this blog daily:
http://www.gaypatrio...
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Blazer
February 15, 2009 - 23:12 ET by sherylsimsDid you really mean to say "low blow"?
Yet you pay to watch and
February 15, 2009 - 23:18 ET by BlazerYet you pay to watch and take pictures from the front seat. How
tormented of an existence you must lead. The self loathing must be
intolerable.
Maybe not a lowblow perse, but certainly one hell of a stretch. How in the world did he deduce that?
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
lmao sheryl
February 15, 2009 - 23:17 ET by shawn228That was great. :-)
He had my vote
Lowblow, highblow,
February 15, 2009 - 23:20 ET by BlazerLowblow, highblow, middleblow, Shawn, I forgot to add, not that theres anything wrong with that.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
JWF-did you notice the first thing Shawn thought
February 15, 2009 - 23:10 ET by thebutlerdiditof when a GUY was behind him washing his hair was his rectum? Hmmm. Too much protesting? Or prostating?
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
hi the butlerdidit
February 15, 2009 - 23:14 ET by shawn228I always thought you and I have had decent debates in the past. I am quite surprised you would lower yourself to this level.
If I am wrong please do tell, how I thought of his rectum?
He had my vote
Now Shawn, you got to admit, it was funny.
February 15, 2009 - 23:20 ET by thebutlerdiditAnd I meant YOUR rectum. You're the one mentioning ice water enemas. LOL> If you think us chicks aren't going to tease, then you don't know how mean we are.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
lol tbdi
February 15, 2009 - 23:23 ET by shawn228Ok I gotcha. I guess I am a homophobe :-)
He had my vote
Doubt it, but that was just too funny to pass up!
February 15, 2009 - 23:29 ET by thebutlerdiditBut in all seriousness, I know a few gays, and they have all just about told me of either sexual molestation or their desire for young boys. I have to be honest when I say that I find it extremely disturbing. Seeing what JWF posted makes me sick to my stomach.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
thebutlerdidit
February 15, 2009 - 23:40 ET by shawn228I am not disputing what JWF said, like I said I am no expert. I am saying the majority of the gays that I know personally are good people and have good hearts.
Again a few bad apples should not define most gays.
He had my vote
Well, none of the ones I know cause me any problems
February 15, 2009 - 23:47 ET by thebutlerdiditbut everyone of the ones I know, have some serious issues from their childhood, from molestation, abuse, etc. Most of them need some serious therapy. I have sympathy for people, but not child molesters. I draw the line at that, and always will.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
I have sympathy for people,
February 15, 2009 - 23:56 ET by BlazerI have sympathy for people, but not child molesters.
So are most of the gay's you know child molesters? And if so, then why do you know them? Jus ackskin'.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Ok, Blazer, that might not have come
February 16, 2009 - 00:11 ET by thebutlerdiditout exactly right. I know, and have known a fair amount of gay people over the years. I don't know that ANY of them have molested any children. If I did I would call the cops. I meant that I have been told some stories by some that they are very attracted to young boys. I also meant, that of the gays I now know/have known, a good many of them have been abused and molested. This is the truly sad part. And yes, I have sympathy for people. Was this a better explanation?
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
tbdi
February 16, 2009 - 00:11 ET by shawn228Any child molester should be punished to the fullest extent of the law, I am just saying there are gray areas.
Many people do not believe in gray area's. Cocodrie believes deviant behaviror is deviant behavior, or you are either a liberal or a conservative.
If a 19 year old has sex with his 17 year old gf that will turn 18 in a month, is that child molestation?
If a 16 year old poses provocatively in the mall and older men check her out, but have no idea she is 16, are those men disgusting?
He had my vote
Shawn
February 16, 2009 - 00:30 ET by thebutlerdiditPersonally, I think there shouldn't be gray areas, but I don't know how we would ever change that. The 19 y o w/ a 17 y o? Consentual? Equal responsibility for any fallout. Non-consentual? Jail time. As for the young girls looking like they are 25, that is a tough one. Ideally, girls that young wouldn't be dressed or acting that provocatively, but if a guy is just looking, what can you do? If he KNOWS she is a child, that's different, of course. I think it is all a matter of not acting on your instincts without full information. Oh, and 16 y o girls lie like rugs. Best to stay away from any chick that doesn't look at least 30. LOL.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
Can there be..
February 15, 2009 - 20:19 ET by jdlybrandnewsisblues
"degrees" of virtue? Say maybe a scale of one to ten? I don't get it. Maybe for beauty or some other superficial feature.
What this boils down to
February 15, 2009 - 19:57 ET by cocodrieWhat this boils down to is both Bergner and his psychosickotrist practice situation ethics. niether has moral absolutes and see no wrong in any type of behavior.
Jesus Loves You
That may be
February 15, 2009 - 22:25 ET by nwahsBut there are better ways to prove rationalizations than picking up the cave man club.
"Me kill dumb perverts!"
How about the reviewer explain the irresponsible rationalizations in the book instead of posturing himself as a perfectly normal male, free of fetish. That may or may not be true, and unless he plans on debating the author while both are polygraphed, its really posturing BS.
~Uh Oh
February 15, 2009 - 22:37 ET by choselife3xShawn and nwahs walk into a thread together and it EXPLODES because no one thread can contain THAT MUCH shawniness.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Please don't say it
February 15, 2009 - 22:40 ET by nwahsPlease don't say "Bing Bang theory" in this thread...
:D
~Don't make me whomp you
February 15, 2009 - 22:49 ET by choselife3xWith my cave woman club. :-O
(I'll vouch for my good friend shawn, here. He has hit on me EXTENSIVELY in PM's. *blushing*)
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Cl3x
February 15, 2009 - 22:52 ET by sherylsimsBut I thought your gender was in question... s/he?
So if I like it
February 15, 2009 - 22:53 ET by nwahsIf I like it, do I have to quit NBusters? :-O
choselife...
February 15, 2009 - 22:54 ET by JerIs this the first time shawn and nwahs have been seen in the same room together? A hall of mirrors, perhaps.
Jer
~Eerie, isn't it?
February 15, 2009 - 23:08 ET by choselife3xI was going to leave, but I thought I'd stick around and see what else will happen. Blazer was speaking in tongues on the other thread and now I know why.......
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Cl-now I know why you never answered me. You wandered
February 15, 2009 - 23:12 ET by thebutlerdiditinto the echo chamber and couldn't find your way out.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
~Huh?
February 15, 2009 - 23:23 ET by choselife3xWhat was that..that..that? I couldn't hear..hear..you...you...you....
(check again)
Wanna invest in a guillotine with me?
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
guillotine
February 15, 2009 - 23:27 ET by sherylsimsIf it is for what I think it is for, I will chip in.
cl3x
February 15, 2009 - 23:30 ET by sherylsimsIt looks as if all the grownups on the thread have gone to bed. Wait till they come in tomorrow and see how we perved it up. hehhehheh
~Sheryl
February 15, 2009 - 23:37 ET by choselife3xThat's a creepy chuckle ya got there! *grinning*
The first response to your post that popped into my head was "I'm having a ball!"
Then I realised it sounded like a gross double entendre so I didn't write it..oops.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
cl3x
February 15, 2009 - 23:40 ET by sherylsimsbut then you did. I do that all the time... I think of something and then decide not to say it, and then tell people how I decided not to say it and in the process I say it. (Usually it is something that really WANTS to be said)
I never did find the dang thread that event took place on
February 15, 2009 - 23:40 ET by thebutlerdiditwhere do I need to read? And yes, Mr. Bozell might not like our fun on his thread tonite.
Money for the chopper, check's in the mail.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
tbdi
February 15, 2009 - 23:44 ET by sherylsimsI am PMing you now
choselife...
February 15, 2009 - 23:45 ET by JerSpeaking of tongues...
The other day when you wondered aloud whether sharing a bed with a girl made you a lesbian, I almost replied you needn't worry because yours was waay too sharp. Questions of taste overruled my inclination then, but, what the heck, I'm feelin' a little 'randy' tonite [and maybe the mods are watching].
Jer
~OUCH
February 16, 2009 - 00:05 ET by choselife3xI'm glad we're friends, Jer! Can you imagine a duel between the two of us?! The BYSTANDERS would be in danger of bleeding to death.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
tall, rock-climbing brunette...
February 16, 2009 - 00:16 ET by JerA couple of years ago, I know I could have taken you. But, now, you might have to give me a few weeks in the gym.
Jer
~Goodnight everyone
February 16, 2009 - 00:41 ET by choselife3xI'm up way past my bedtime having fun with all a y'all. Now I'm going to fall asleep to the sound of the rain on the roof.
*haven't heard that in quite a while around here*
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
jer
February 16, 2009 - 00:16 ET by botgwhat you doing with Randy?
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
botg...
February 16, 2009 - 00:22 ET by Jertouch-y` :-)
Jer
nite jer
February 16, 2009 - 00:26 ET by botg“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
touche' back at ya jer.
February 16, 2009 - 00:52 ET by thebutlerdiditBut, yeah, this turned into a weird thread, for no apparent reason. I blame all of you men. We women don't normally act like this.I'd better take that back, I might be somewhat responsible. After all, I was in Calhoun last weekend.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
This thread is grossing me out
February 15, 2009 - 23:27 ET by R D HelmToe jamb licking?
Ewwwwwwww.
BTW, I once had a 12yo girlfriend.
When I was 13.
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
Dave
February 15, 2009 - 23:28 ET by sherylsimsThis thread is grossing me out
Just power through it... the desensitization period is the hardest and after that you don't even notice (until someone says something REALLY gross) :o)
Psychologists could chomp on this for days
February 15, 2009 - 23:31 ET by nwahsPsychologists could do a thesis on this article and replies. I'd sum it up as "in order to survive, we have to get rid of stupid, and quit glorifying stupid."
I don't know the book, haven't read the book, and don't care about the book. But there has to be an intelligent way to critique the book.
You read the posts here? You have posters making accusations and assumptions about other posters sexual orientation. Shootout at the OK Kindergarten.
The sad part is they are perfectly in step with the article that sparked them.
"Daniel Bergner isn’t the devil’s advocate, but he is a pervert’s apologist."
Pervert - is that a medical term?
Nwahs
February 15, 2009 - 23:43 ET by thebutlerdiditCome on, no one is being serious, I hope. As for this book, and these people, I have so much disgust, I can't even address it fully here. I think everyone here is so stressed about the economy and everything else, that letting off some stream is a natural progression.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
I know most are kidding
February 15, 2009 - 23:59 ET by nwahsI know most are kidding, but if you read the thread real close, you'll find some real power plays and bullying going on.
In my life, I've seen more perversion shrouded in morality than in academic curiosity. I've seen Jimmy Swaggart slam down the cave man club "DAMN THE PERVERTS!" Rev. Marvin E Garmon slam down the club "DAMN THE PERVERTS!" Priests, Politicians, pundits, doctors etc. All of them had the absolute cave man club - "DAMN THE PERVERTS!"
And all were "perverts." We're looking at a human phenomena or ritual. We just have to find a name for it. But can you blame me if I'm suspicious when someone thunders "DAMN THE PERVERTS!"?
Carbon Copy Shawn
February 16, 2009 - 00:11 ET by cocodriePerversion is perversion no matter who commits it or when or where. The perversion of Swaggart nor the adultery of Gorman excuses the perversion of others.
you are the one condemning it for some but approving of it for others.
Jesus Loves You
coco
February 16, 2009 - 00:23 ET by botgoh so true
there is only one 'pure' messenger, as for me:
'oh wretched man that i am, who can save me from this body of death'
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
Good evening botg
February 16, 2009 - 00:31 ET by cocodrieThese fellers bounce back and forth more than a rubber ball. They can't seem to decide what they believe in.
Jesus Loves You
Niteo Coco
February 16, 2009 - 00:41 ET by botgi try to be consistant, coherent, intergrated, but when new information appears flexible.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
good night botg
February 16, 2009 - 00:54 ET by cocodrieSleep tight God bless.
Jesus Loves You
Nwahs, I have always thought it was a case of
February 16, 2009 - 00:56 ET by thebutlerdiditthou doth protest to much with Swaggart, and the others. It is almost like they are trying to drive their sin out by protesting it so fervently. Who knows? Not me. I haven't got the degree in mental health that would be needed.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
I believe you're right
February 16, 2009 - 01:01 ET by nwahsIt goes beyond hypocrisy. Its almost a defense mechanism where they take on two lives.
I'm not aproving it for anyone!
February 16, 2009 - 00:53 ET by nwahsWhere did you construe ANYTHING I've written to to approve of sexual perversion?
I'm saying, from my experience, I've seen more "perverts" slamming the Bible saying "DAMN THE PERVERTS" than those writing books questioning the reasons for sexual perversion and when fetishes become perversions.
CC Shawn
February 16, 2009 - 00:58 ET by cocodrieYou make excuses for them and mock the ldea of Christian morality.
Jesus Loves You
Quote where
February 16, 2009 - 01:04 ET by nwahsIf you can't quote where I mock Christian morality or make excuses for sexual perversion, I'll let it go that you are lying. Lying is not a real strong tactic, sweet pea.
CC Shawn
February 16, 2009 - 02:11 ET by cocodrieON Jan 30 at 23:51 You wrote "Well the dirty little secret is Evangelicals don't really consider Catholics "Christian".
Jan30 at 19:51 you wrote "There still seems to be tiers among Christians with Evangelicals assuming the throne.
On Jan30 at 20:28 your whole post defends homosexuality as normal behavior.
Jan 30 at 18:48 you called Retired Geek stupid for saying homosexuality is not genetic.
Dec 8 at 01:20 you said "Well if you think homosexuals propagated aids, you are a fool." you insisted that aids is propagated by monkeys.
Dec8 at 02:37 you called NL207 a web toed hick for saying that homosexuality and drug use were the major causes for the spread of aids.
That only goes back one month.
You got a short memory SWEET PEA? Maybe you've been watching too many monkeys running around America spreading aids and blaming it on the poor homosexuals.
I suppose I am a WEB TOED HICK because I have the same Christian morals as NL207.
If you think I am lying, go back and read your own words SWEET PEA.
Jesus Loves You
~YIKES!
February 16, 2009 - 07:59 ET by choselife3xI go off to catch some shut eye and coco beats hayell out of backwards shawn with his caveman club.
Please take off yore hats and observe a moment of silence for tha pore liddle feller.
We hope backwards shawn will rejoin our ranks after he rekewperates from his massive head trauma. :-O
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
I guess its all perception.
February 16, 2009 - 10:14 ET by nwahsThis lil feller is quite fine :)
You know CoCo could not find a single quote she professed to exist? Her "evidence" is because I don't agree with her, I'm mocking Christianity and "normalizing" perversion.
Now that's just idiocy. Christians disagree all the time. Psychiatrist disagree all the time. It doesn't follow that they are normalizing perversion or abnormal behavior. CoCo either doesn't get that or is trying her hand at schoolyard bullying.
Nice try
February 16, 2009 - 10:39 ET by cocodrieNice try with the name calling.
Your posts speak for themselves. You make fun of Christians and defend the homosexual life style as being normal.
homosexual behavior is abnormal.
Jesus Loves You
Gays are people too
February 16, 2009 - 10:50 ET by QueenMumYou know, this is another one of those dead horse topics that should be continued in The Woodshed. But I'll put in my two cents. I have the same problem with the far right fringe in the Right to Life debate. Claiming the moral high ground by spewing hateful rhetoric and stoning homosexuals with Bible verses is counterproductive, IMO. By doing so, one (note that this pronoun refers to anyone, not a specific individual) immediately shuts down the dialogue. In order to convince someone to listen to your point of view, you must be willing to understand and listen to them as well. Not all gays/lesbians are raving lunatics or flaming exhibitionists. And I believe it's reasonable to think that there may be genetic, chemical, or environmental factors involved in the development of homosexuality. If one wishes to use the Bible as reference, one should consider that many of those in ancient times who had what we now recognize as mental illnesses, were labeled as demon-possessed. Of course, this argument doesn't sit well with the most strict fundamentalists who take every single verse in the Bible literally. (Note: This is a general statement and not meant to disparage any particular individual. And it is true.) The Bible also says to speak the truth in love. Not to deny the truth - but to consider the one you are trying to convince as equally deserving of God's love and grace. (Note: I will not participate in an argument regarding the sinful nature of homosexuality. Let's keep this simple.)
~'Gays are people too'
February 16, 2009 - 11:06 ET by choselife3xOh My OBAMA!!!!! That's genius, freakin' GENIUS, I tell ya! All a y'all put down yer clubs and shake hands. The Queen has spoken. This issue is settled.
So let it be written, so let it be done.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Good morning Mum
February 16, 2009 - 11:16 ET by cocodrieI have been in the flooring business since '69 and have many homosexual interior decorator clients. I am close friends with some and they know exactly how I feel about their life style. They give me a bad time about my Christianity but but we are still friends.
The problem here is the inability to seperate the behavior from the person. While I fault homosexuality, I do not condemn homosexuals.
Thank you for a well written and accurate post. I meant all of my posts to be aimed at the behavior, not the individual. If they came across as other than that, I apologize. You're right, I'll get off this dead horse.
Jesus Loves You
~Fight in the schoolyard!
February 16, 2009 - 10:52 ET by choselife3xAlright now y'all, school ain't out yit.
If'n a couple of my favorite web-toed hicks're gonna come ter blows this tender flow'rs gonna scoot. Ah cain't bear ta seeit.
Ah'll nurse y'alls wounds after and ya kin tell me all about it.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
No
February 16, 2009 - 10:03 ET by nwahsYou're a web toed hick, because you can't process information :)
Seriously, nothing in what you posted from me, mocks Christian morality nor does it defend or normalize perversion. You may or may not believe homosexuality is caused by a combination of factors, genetics being one, but the fact I claim it is doesn't normalize the behavior or condition.
Whether or not you realize the AIDS virus took off in monkeys is irrelevant. I saying it did doesn't normalize perversion in any way. Explain how it does? What bendy curves does your mind wonder to get there?
In one month you found NOTHING, not one single quote, of me mocking Christian morality or normalizing perversion. I knew you couldn't, because I don't mock Christian morality or normalize perversion. I might try to understand its causes but I won't promote it. I might note some unchristian hypocrites ( you for example) cloaking themselves in Christianity, but you won't hear me mocking Christianity. I don't do that. That's the wonderful thing about being honest - you don't have to remember what you said. So what I said is true.You are lying. You are relying on misrepresentation to make your point. Thats a childish, and less than intelligent tactic.
You accused me of mocking Christianity and normalizing perversion. You can't find any quotes to support that. Mocking NL207 or you is not mocking Christianity unless you claim to be Christ? Its mocking bullies, fools, and hypocrites.
Your exercise in obfuscation was a ridiculous example of miscomprehension or grasping at straws.
So Sweet Pea, you are a liar.
Sodomite Apologist
February 16, 2009 - 10:03 ET by Sergeant ROCKThere is no such thing as a 'gay gene'. Every attempt to prove this myth to be a fact has failed.
Nice try.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Bolton/KEYES 2012
I didn't say there IS a gay gene
February 16, 2009 - 10:22 ET by nwahsWhat? Where did you read me say "there's a gay gene"? I've said I don't know but I think homosexuality is a product of genetics ( not ONE GAY GENE), chemistry, and environment.
Nice try? What was I trying?
I tell you, any on the left that does believe in Darwinism isn't going worry about passing the Fairness Doctrine. They're just going to watch these folks walk off the cliff.
~What I want to know is...
February 16, 2009 - 10:17 ET by choselife3xWho was the sick, twisted freak who was fraternisin' wid da pore liddle monkeys?!
(on a serious note, cocodrie would NEVER lie or deliberately twist anything, shawn dear. I'll vouch for his honesty. He is stating his perception of your meaning.)
Scuse me, I must spread my toes and paddle away now to find me a possum fer lunch.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Actually the monkeys bite
February 16, 2009 - 10:29 ET by nwahsWell that may or may not be, but suggesting I'm normalizing abnormal behavior for disagreeing about its cause, is misrepresentation at best.
Please reference
February 16, 2009 - 10:43 ET by cocodriePlease reference one article where a monkey bit one homosexual and gave him aids.
Jesus Loves You
Obvious troll
February 16, 2009 - 10:49 ET by nwahsIts obvious, no one is as dumb as you are acting.
The origin of aids
February 16, 2009 - 11:23 ET by cocodrieThe origin of aids is not the proplem, THE SPREAD OF AIDS IS THE PROBLEM!
I'll refrain from the name calling.
Jesus Loves You
I'll take that..
February 16, 2009 - 16:12 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. as a 'I can't', in response to the question.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Bolton/KEYES 2012
My question is
February 16, 2009 - 10:53 ET by sherylsimsWhat was the homosexual doing to the monkey that made the monkey decide to bite him?
~ROFL!!
February 16, 2009 - 11:12 ET by choselife3xSheryl, you made me laugh out loud and wake the baby again!
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
cl3x
February 16, 2009 - 11:20 ET by sherylsimsYou know me... I just can't stand to let a baby sleep. They are just too doggone cute when they are awake and demanding something from you.
Good morning chose
February 16, 2009 - 10:30 ET by shawn228I know your post was meant for the backwards shawn, but just a quick observation.
I like cocodrie, he is a good guy. He does tend to twist words and make assumptions that are not true.
To this day, he will not give me a yes or no answer that Bush admitted we did not find wmd.
He had my vote
I'd prefer dyslexic
February 16, 2009 - 10:37 ET by nwahsAn no, Sgt Rock, thats not a cult or fetish.
Backwards Shawn sounds like a hillbilly :D
~Frontways shawn
February 16, 2009 - 10:41 ET by choselife3xI think the communication twisting between a 'moderate centrist' and an 'emphatic conservative' is caused by the basis of perception being so radically different that it is very easy to misunderstand each other's meaning. (good grief, was that a long sentence, or what?!)
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
The origins of AIDS
February 16, 2009 - 11:09 ET by QueenMumI'm aware that often Wikipedia articles must be taken with a grain of salt. However, I find this article to be presented in a scientifically reasonable manner. References are also numerous and credible. In addition, the information in the article is corroborated on a number of other websites dealing with the topic from a scientific point of view.
Click on the link to "How" under the Outline topic "HIV1 Spread from Chimpanzees".
Good morning CC
February 16, 2009 - 10:31 ET by cocodrieMy lies come directly from your posts. Come out from under your bridge and smell reality. You need some fresh air.
I went back only one month for those misguided posts of yours. They speak for themselves.
"That's the wonderful thing about being honest." That statement alone mocks Christianity. It redefines honesty to mean you are allowed to make any ststement you please disguised as the truth.
Your misrepresentations are not my posts but yours. I have yet to read a single report of a monkey giving aids to a homosexual. Please print the article. Until you do it will remain an established fact that the major carriers of aids are homosexuals.
I am beginning to believe that you have a vested interest in defending homosexuslity as normal behavior.<.p> Jesus Loves You
Oh thats convincing
February 16, 2009 - 10:45 ET by nwahsI disagree with Coco so he's going to infer I'm homosexual.
Either you're 12 or retarded. In any case, it would be cruel for me to debate you.
Well then,
February 16, 2009 - 10:57 ET by cocodrieWell then, why are you obsessed with defending homosexuality?
Why are you obsessed with making fun of Christians.
Read your own posts.
Jesus Loves You
coco: Please consider my
February 16, 2009 - 11:36 ET by QueenMumcoco: Please consider my earlier post which provides a link to an article on (Edited to correct a typo) the topic at hand.
well queenie
February 16, 2009 - 11:49 ET by botgi myself would stipulate to aids having its genesis in monkeys
however without its propagation through the homosexual community it would not have been spread in the human population.
propagate: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/propagate
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
AIDS: In humans and other primates
February 16, 2009 - 12:02 ET by QueenMumbotg: I agree re: the spread in the human population. I also offer the following as something further to consider when talking about the spread of the disease in humans vs. other primates.
Thanks again Mum
February 16, 2009 - 12:11 ET by cocodrieThanks again Mum
Jesus Loves You
Thank you Mum
February 16, 2009 - 12:00 ET by cocodrieI agree that the origin of aids is as you say.
I just don't agree that the spread of aids in our society is caused by monkeys. The spread is directly caused by casual sex, primarily honosexual activity. Aids from drug use and transfusions can be traced to someone's sexual activity somewhere along the way.
I appreciate the time you spent to post that.
God bless.
Jesus Loves You
AIDS transmission
February 16, 2009 - 12:19 ET by QueenMumcoco: Of course the spread of AIDS in our society is among humans. The other article I linked in my response to botg goes into this aspect. And I don't think it adds anything to the argument to say that drug use and blood transfusions are actually secondary modes of transmission. But you are also correct in making the statement. Can you provide any statistics re: the percentage of people with HIV-AIDS who contracted it via sexual activity vs. drug use or blood? What is the percentage of HIV-AIDS cases in the heterosexual population vs. the homosexual population? Is it settled that anyone with HIV-AIDS who did not contract it from drug use or transfer of blood, contracted the virus as a result of sexual contact with someone who had sexual contact with a homosexual? I'm just asking for informational purposes. I have no intention of debating the answers. If you don't have answers immediately at hand, I'll be happy to do my own research at a later time.
Hello Mum
February 16, 2009 - 13:03 ET by cocodrieNwahs was insisting that the spread of aids is propagated by Rheesus monkeys is the reason for my posts.
These figures are from GMHC (Gay Men's Health Crisis) 2001.
Blood transfusions - 8,971
I guess I debated it too much but it irritates me when liberals deny the obvious.
Jesus Loves You
Hi cocodrie... Happy
February 16, 2009 - 15:31 ET by JerHi cocodrie...
Happy President's Day. Just to interject a partial clarification, I believe some of those "misguided posts" of nwahs to which you allude were from early December, i.e. over two months ago. For example, he did indeed refer to NL as a "web-toed hick" [on Dec. 8] but that was specifically in response to NL's gratutitously calling him a "moron"--a tactic NL regrettably often emplyoys with anyone who dares to disagree with him.
Jer
Jer
February 16, 2009 - 16:04 ET by shawn228I have noticed cocodrie is very good 'who me?" game. Notice he did not provide one link in his accusations to nwahs?
Too bad he never backs up his accusations.
He had my vote
Shawn... He referenced
February 16, 2009 - 16:23 ET by JerShawn...
He referenced the 'accusations' soley by date which makes them rather difficult to track. I took the time to run down a few of them.
Jer
Good evening Jer
February 16, 2009 - 21:53 ET by cocodrieI gave you the dates of his posts. If you are too lazy to read them, too bad. I no longer play your endless picky - picky game.
Jesus Loves You
cocodrie...
February 16, 2009 - 22:17 ET by JerSorry, but I'm confused.
I gave you the dates of his posts. As I so stated in the post immediately above yours.
If you are too lazy to read them, too bad. And my mentioning in that same post that I took the time to run a few of them down suggests laziness? That's interesting.
I no longer play your endless picky - picky game. My reference to "over two months" instead of "one" was perhaps too picky. But, I'm not engaging in game-playing.
Jer
Good morning Jer
February 17, 2009 - 12:26 ET by cocodrieThe dates were given to Shawn. If he can't remember making those statements then he should keep a written record.
You excell in picking apart a post while ignoring the main point a person is making.
Jesus Loves You
~Web-toed hick
February 16, 2009 - 16:22 ET by choselife3xDoppelganger shawn can call me that anytime he wants. I don't care who y'are, that's FUNNY.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
So, is it an obsession, you think? All I think I do
February 16, 2009 - 00:59 ET by thebutlerdiditknow about Swaggart, is that he hates himself, more than anyone else ever could. I don't think I have ever seen anyone who is as miserable in their own skin.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
The biggest problem with liberalism is...
February 16, 2009 - 10:03 ET by JohnMcGrew...the idea that "everybody" actually shares their psycological illnesses, and therefore they are really okay.
In their minds, they're better for it because they're honest about their quirks, and we're really the sick ones because we're obviously in denial about our real being.
So in this example, "everybody" lusts after their 12-year-old stepdaughters, so there's really nothing abnormal or wrong about it. It's the dysfunction of unsophisticated and uptight consrevatives that is the problem for not feeling free to lust after their 12-year-old stepdaughters.
This is probably the finest example of how liberalism is indeed a mental disorder.
It's the same mindset that causes them to endlessly repeat things like "everyone" did drugs as teenagers, or were sleeping around at 14, so that they can feel better about things they knew were wrong in their pasts. That is the real dysfunction.
Sentance
February 16, 2009 - 12:17 ET by jdubyaSorry, apologists or anyone attempting to have me to even consider the side of these animals who prey on children are WORSE than the sick, sadistic pedophiles they are trying to protect.
Sorry to alarm or offend, but people like this should not be in society as well. In fact, just for suggesting these thoughts, people like Mr. Bergner should be taken to a field and beaten to a pulp with baseball bats.
a good point,jdubya
February 16, 2009 - 19:25 ET by BO STINKSI remember the days when pervs were taken to the woodshed and beaten until they couldn't walk. Also whupped were wife-beaters. And if the behavior was not controlled and stopped, then, well let's just say that man would simply disappear and no questions asked. *SIGH* oh for the good old days.
"If your cause is just, if your principles are pure & if your conduct is prudent you need not fear the multitude of opposing hosts." John Witherspoon
Looks like I am the last one out the door again.
February 17, 2009 - 04:06 ET by JWFSo I will sum up.
1. What consenting adults do behind closed doors in their business.
2. Pedophilia cannot be equated with what ADULTS do behind closed doors. Only a fellow pedophile would attempt to make the equation.
3. Liberals have no qualms with making jokes about conservatives, republicans, gender, race or class. Liberals go apepoo when people make jokes about homosexuality though. This is an abomination against the holy altar of liberalism at which they worship. Why is this? Because liberals are namby pamby and the only real macho leadership they have are the Bulldykes and Leather wearing machoman Sadobiker gays. Without them, liberals would officially be relegated to the spindly nerd on the beach getting sand kicked on them by the beach bully.
4. Shawn1776* & nwahs may be sock puppets of richard simmons.
5. I am OFFICIALLY Number 2 in the race to be the most annoying to Liberal Trolls!** Watch your back PopTech!
Latest poll results
1. PopularTech
2. JWF
3. Blonde
4. R D Helm
6. Shawn1776 has NO sense of humor. He is completely missing the sarcasm gene.
Shawn1776 sez this: I get squeemish even when two guys are wearing shorts in the back of a car and bare legs touch each other
First of all - way to much sharing dude. Some thoughts need to stay in your head.
So I sez this: Yet you pay to watch and take pictures from the front seat. How tormented of an existence you must lead. The self loathing must be intolerable.
See! It is funny because it is completely opposite of the point he was trying to make. I get paid for stuff like that people! Comics the world over steal my material. Conservatives everywere were writing that down to use on their fellow liberal coworkers!
Liberal coworker: I don't like seeing X.
Conservative worker: Yet you pay to watch and take pictures of X. How tormented of an existence you must lead. The self loathing must be intolerable.
Shawn1776 gets mad because I try out new material on him.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
* He is patriotic this week.
** http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-bozell/2009/02/15/bozell-column-other-side-disgust#comment-852359
Dude
February 17, 2009 - 10:47 ET by shawn228Get over yourself, I just did not find it very funny. Now your back to the name making schtick again.
Please do not do any name dropping, you do not deserve to put yourself on the same list as Blonde or RDH
To give you credit, you actually backed up your claim this time I was pleasantly surprised, now your back to your old self psychic war.
"So I sez this: Yet you pay to watch and take pictures from the
front seat. How tormented of an existence you must lead. The self
loathing must be intolerable.
"
Wow that was like gold, you better send that to Penn and Teller ASAP
He had my vote
Proof Pudding!
February 17, 2009 - 12:07 ET by JWFItems 3 through 6 were all funny jokey fun time.
Room227 still did not see the humor. This proves that item 6 was indeed TRUE!
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
~Aw, come on!
February 17, 2009 - 12:37 ET by choselife3xI don't even MAKE the list of troll-annoyers?
Jeez, I'm gonna go sob into a tall glass of whole milk.....sigh.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
bizarro world
February 17, 2009 - 19:54 ET by UndercoverConservativecan't have guns, can't drive fast cars, can't eat certain foods, can't say or feel certain thoughts and words, can't worship as I please.
but I can take all the drugs I want, spend money i don't have, kill my unborn children, and satisfy lusts with underage children...
YUCK! BARF! WTF is wrong with these people?! The 'weird" fetish crowd used to have one common sense rule-between consenting adults. But that still wasn't good enough for 'em?
"to call an illegal immigrant an "undocumented alien" is like calling a streetcorner drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".
"You spend your money anyway you want and respect other's rights to do the same&quo