Williams Harangues Christie from the Krugman Left, Pleads for More Spending: 'Couldn't You Find the Money?'
Brian Williams touted New Jersey Governor Chris Christie as a “star” on “the rise” in the Republican Party before adding a “however” and haranguing him from left over his opposition to massive spending for a new tunnel from his state to New York, reciting as an oracle the criticism from far-left New York Times columnist Paul Krugman without ever identifying the source of the supposed wisdom beyond “the op-ed page of the New York Times.”
For Thursday’s NBC Nightly News, Williams traveled to the Garden State to sit down with Christie. Williams contended Christie “took a big hit for saying no to New Jersey's share of a new tunnel beneath the Hudson River, a huge public works project designed to ease congestion. His decision exploded on the op-ed page of the New York Times which called it ‘a blow to national hopes of a recovery.’” That was Krugman’s characterization in an October 8 op-ed, The End of the Tunnel.
When Christie explained how his deep in debt state can’t afford the billions more now demanded for the project, Williams pleaded: “But couldn't you find the money? Isn't there a way if you really wanted it, if you really wanted it for long-term investment?” The anchor continued to display his reverence for the New York Times as he, once again, quoted Krugman:
The Times goes on. Here's how you should think about the decision to kill the tunnel: “It's a terrible thing in itself, but, beyond that, it's a perfect symbol of how America has lost its way.” You're being tied to the nation losing its way by dint of this decision.
At a time the nation is revolting against deficit spending, Williams paints Christie as going the wrong way? Christie fired back: “Yeah, by the New York Times. I'll take a deep bow for that, Brian. I don't really care. They don't have the responsibility to balance the budget.”
Williams proceeded to recited the union spin in suggesting Christie’s efforts to rein in teacher unions means he’s out to hurt good teachers: “When are you going to know when the line is, when you're going to need good, quality teachers to educate children in New Jersey?”
From the Thursday, October 21 NBC Nightly News, transcript provided by the MRC’s Brad Wilmouth:
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Earlier today, across the Hudson River from here in New Jersey, we sat down with the Governor of New Jersey. His name is Chris Christie, and, in his party, his star is on the rise, in large part for bringing a new style to the job. Candidates want him to come stump for them. Recently, however, he took a big hit for saying no to New Jersey's share of a new tunnel beneath the Hudson River, a huge public works project designed to ease congestion. His decision exploded on the op-ed page of the New York Times which called it “a blow to national hopes of a recovery.” It's where we started our conversation with the Governor today.
CHRIS CHRISTIE: I can't pay for it. You're talking $2 billion to $5 billion over the current New Jersey investment, which is $5.7 billion of the total $8.7 billion to our cost. Brian, I don't have the money.
WILLIAMS: But couldn't you find the money? Isn't there a way if you really wanted it, if you really wanted it for long-term investment?
CHRISTIE: Listen, we're one state, we're the state of New Jersey. And no, I can't find the money. I can't print money like the federal government. I have the third highest debt load of any state in America.
WILLIAMS [Over on screen shot of top of Krugman’s column]: The Times goes on. Here's how you should think about the decision to kill the tunnel: "It's a terrible thing in itself, but, beyond that, it's a perfect symbol of how America has lost its way." You're being tied to the nation losing its way by dint of this decision.
CHRISTIE: Yeah, by the New York Times. I'll take a deep bow for that, Brian. I don't really care. They don't have the responsibility to balance the budget.
WILLIAMS: You just finished a town hall meeting here in this club in Scotch Plains. You are going after the teachers union aggressively.
CHRISTIE: Whether you do a good job or a bad job, you get to keep your job.
WILLIAMS: When are you going to know when the line is, when you're going to need good, quality teachers to educate children in New Jersey?
CHRISTIE: We need good, quality teachers and we have plenty of them. But I separate the union and the teachers. The union leadership is extraordinarily detached, I think, from the experience of the everyday teacher. And everyday teachers in New Jersey are taxpayers, too. And they understand that we can't continue to spend the way we're spending.
WILLIAMS: How about your life outside of New Jersey, campaigning for other candidates. Hank McNamara, in the Record, writes, "he's politicking on our time. Christie, for now, may be seen as a GOP conquering hero in Illinois, Ohio, Pennsylvania, or Iowa. But he will come home." Sounds vaguely threatening.
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WILLIAMS: With the election coming up, where do you place Barack Obama's presidency so far?
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WILLIAMS [Over on screen shot of top of Krugman’s column]: The Times goes on. Here's how you should think about the decision to kill the tunnel: "It's a terrible thing in itself, but, beyond that, it's a perfect symbol of how America has lost its way." You're being tied to the nation losing its way by dint of this decision.









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If the project was such a great thing
Submitted by katiejane on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 10:49am.
Why couldn't NYC find some money to help pay for it?
NYC is giving $3 billion, the
Submitted by goldbar on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 2:54pm.
NYC is giving $3 billion, the feds are giving $3 billion and New Jersey would give $2.7 and be responsible for over runs. From what I've read, it would mean increasing the gas tax by a few pennies per gallon in a state that currently has the lowest gas tax in the U.S. The other option is to wait for the current tunnel, that's 100 years old to collapse and then you'll get federal disaster money, but Christie probably woudn't take that either. The down side is you may kill thousands of people, but the upside is you don't have to pay an extra 3 cents a gallon.
Evidently goldbar, your as
Submitted by bassndude on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 3:06pm.
Evidently goldbar, your as dence as your metalic name. NJ's unemployment is around 9.8%. One reason it has fallen the last 1/4 is people are leaving the state. Raise taxes? When 10% of the people cannot afford what they need now? Come now, really.
The 2.7 billion they want NJ to put up, NJ has not got to put up. Plus overruns? Do you have any idea what the cost overrun has been so far? 2 to 5 billion.
And as for your other option, the new tunnel is not to replace the old one. The tunnel is designed to supplement a century-old two-track tunnel and would double train capacity between New York and its populous New Jersey suburbs.
Nothing wrong with the old tunnel. They just want to have two of them. Figure it out. Not even you can really be that insipid.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal/troll!!
Yes, I know the new tunnel is
Submitted by goldbar on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 3:17pm.
Yes, I know the new tunnel is in addition to an old tunnel that is currently at capacity. You're state has low gas tax and this would add roughly 3 cents to it. Most people won't bend down to even pick up three pennies on the street. Considering the income you gain in workers who'll pay local and federal taxes I don't see the problem. If you're state is that full of skinflints then forget the tunnel. It won't effect me either way. Ever heard of the phrase 'you have to spend money to make money"? Applies here. If you don't want the tax, put a toll on the bridge. Not that hard to figure out.
Again Goldbar, you assume to
Submitted by bassndude on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 3:25pm.
Again Goldbar, you assume to much. I don't live anywhere near NJ, but I have a cousin that does.
Secondly, how are you going to collect enough money to pay wages month to month from the workers your paying? That is an inane statement. Collect taxes from those working on the tunnel, and be sure to collect enough to pay for it. How is that going to work? Even a first grader can tell you, you cannot take money from a can, and refill it by putting back even half what you took out. So even at a 50% tax rate, your math wont work.
I don't care what they do, myself. I am not a fan of those north of the mason dixon line and close to either coast. They can swim for all I care. In January.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal/troll!!
goldbar
Submitted by mandrake on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 3:37pm.
You know I kinda agree. The price of gas here in Toronto has varied this summer from a low of 90 cents/litre (that Canadian speak) to it's current $1.05 /litre. And the goverment has not messed with the tax rate at all! Must be some 'invisible hand of the market' at work. And what's weird is the Canadian dollar is about par with the US..go figure
Anyway, despite these wild price flucations, I have never feltl I should move elsewhere..I love my city and country more than 3 cents/litre.
Ever heard the phrase "highest property tax in the country?"
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 3:59pm.
Or "highest auto insurance in the country"?
I pay $12,000/yr in property tax and $4,500/yr in auto insurance. And I don't live in a mansion or drive a Benz.
And BTW, we already have plenty of tolls. In fact, we have one toll collector on the NJ Turnpike who raked in $322,000 in one year. Union guy, oddly enough.
This is what the Democrats have done to NJ. So knock it off with "only 3 cents per gallon" stuff. Christie was elected for one reason and one reason alone - clean up this mess and quit spending money we don't have.
And if you're going to spout off, get your facts straight. There are already two tunnels and a number of bridges from NY to NJ, and none of them are about to be the next Poseidon disaster movie.
As to your sophomoric comment "you have to spend money to make money", try starting up a business and tell your new hires you're broke, so you can't afford to pay them.
Your viewpoint is a perfect example of how we got we're at today in this country.
EDIT: New Jersey taxpayers also receive less federal funding per dollar of federal taxes paid than any other state.
There's assumptions going on here.
Submitted by pbthinker on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 5:05pm.
It seems that people are assuming that Chris Christie has made his final offer. I believe he's seen it before and he's afraid of those over-runs. What better way to slow-down the over-runs than to say you're not going to build the thing and get commitments from the unions and the builders that over-runs will be less than a certain percentage.
I don't believe Chris Christie is a fool and I do believe he's watched the game and knows how to play it. We'll see how this all plays out. There are a lot of people who have a stake in getting this thing built. If Christie can get commitments from them so his end doesn't cost more than he's planning to spend, if could be built anyway.
Goldbar - financing isn't the issue
Submitted by Agnostic on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 3:37pm.
The problem with programs like this is usually not the money approved for the project because legitimate financing means can usually be arranged. The problem is that there is no accountability for the government employees proposing/overseeing the project or the contractors when the project invariably goes over budget. Once physically started it is hard to pull out of a project because all the money and time spent to the end point is wasted and future cost of completing the project will be much higher – contractors and politicians know this. Either the employees who granted the bid are woefully incompetent or the contractors are scamming the system; probably both. You can not run projects by committee like they try to run cities. When something goes wrong there has to be someone you can go to for answers or to accept liability. Broke or not the cities probably need to finish the project but they should be renegotiating their contracts and dismissing a few incompetent administrators no matter to whom they are related.
Until these issues with accountability are solved a majority of government projects should be suspended. I know it sounds drastic but there is an easy solution. Stop trying to hide cost from the tax payers and hire people that know what they are doing and give them the power to deal with contractors in a fair business like manner. The days of, "their over budget and over their time estimate so we better cut them another check" has got to end.
"in a state that currently
Submitted by ckc1227 on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 3:49pm.
"in a state that currently has the lowest gas tax in the U.S."
And among the highest of pretty much every other tax.
New Jersey would pick up the cost overruns?
Submitted by Galvanic on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 5:24pm.
No wonder Christie is saying "No."
Take a look at Boston's Big Dig. Does NJ want to get stuck with that kind of fiscal sink-hole?
The flight of the millionaires due to high taxes cost the state $ billions in tax revenue, and that was one of the reasons Christie defeated Corzine. Will raising the tax on gas bring 'em back?
I just LOVE this response by Christie!!
Submitted by motherbelt on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 11:16am.
Williams: You're being tied to the nation losing its way by dint of this decision.
Christie: Yeah, by the New York Times. I'll take a deep bow for that, Brian. I don't really care. They don't have the responsibility to balance the budget. Hats off to Christie for telling the NYT how irrelevant their opinion is! And does Williams realize how childish and petulant he sounds with this: “But couldn't you find the money? Isn't there a way if you really wanted it.......??? Liberals are the ones having a temper tantrum, even before the election!! They see that their time is slipping away, and all they can do is stamp their feet and whine.Trees! More trees!
Submitted by jon_torlin on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 11:49am.
Once again, a liberal thinks money grows on trees and cookies in the cookie jar will always be there.
Not only do we need to keep their hands out of the cookie jar, we need to put locks on that cookie jar and put it on a high shelf with a couple of marines guarding it.
That statement by Williams is indeed childish and immature, sure, there are ways to do it, but the consequences are what have to be weighed and Christie is more concerned about the consequences than Williams is.
Actions have consequences and if you start spending money that doesn't exist and spend willy-nilly with a so-called blank check or credit card, things are going to go to crap, just like they are now. Williams doesn't seem to understand or want to understand that. There's a piper in every action who has to be paid.
-Jon
Five-year old whining
Submitted by Model850 on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 11:32am.
does Williams realize how childish and petulant he sounds with this: “But couldn't you find the money? Isn't there a way if you really wanted it.......???Like a five-year old in the toy store with his mommy. The child has no concept of budgets or limited resources. Apparently neither does Williams.
"Sorry, honey, I don't have the money for that."
"But I waaaannnnnnnt it! Please please please please???'
Williams and the NY Times are
Submitted by deerjerkydave on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 3:28pm.
Williams and the NY Times are calling for Enron style book-keeping and budgets. We do that here in California year after year and the state is BANKRUPT!
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Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 11:15am.
HR4646-Debt Free America
I haven't read this bill but my Congressman probably hasn't either. I read just enough to see it will add 1% to all banking transactions.
This is nothing more than a
Submitted by goldbar on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 12:22pm.
This is nothing more than a statement by Fattah. It will die before it get to the floor.
Much like
Submitted by UpNorth on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 1:21pm.
Obamacare being a "statement"? Or Cap & Tax, or the Take Over of Government Motors?
And you can guarantee that?
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 2:15pm.
And you can guarantee that? With all the other crap the lame duck Congress is wanting to push through this will not surprise me that it makes it to the floor.
I suppose most people here
Submitted by goldbar on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 3:02pm.
I suppose most people here don't know or care how bills develop into laws. The key verbiage here is "replace the income tax". Not gonna happen. Wouldn't be prudent.
Goldbar, its your
Submitted by cocodrie on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 3:21pm.
Golbar, its your precious democrats that circumvent the proper lawmaking process with the courts , pay-offs, bribery, lies and unconstitutional shennagins while destroying our country.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Just keep thinking that
Submitted by goldbar on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 4:25pm.
Just keep thinking that because that's what you've been told to think by all of your rightwing pundits. What do think of the Citizen's United decision?
Goldstradamus releases Quatrain IV
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 4:02pm.
You really should be in a DC think tank rather than wasting time here at NB.
SoL---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 10/23/2010 - 12:38am.
Goldstradamus is a watered down version of ol' steve05.
Nothing new to say, and saying the same old stuff the same old way.
MD
Life Imitates Art
Submitted by EllisWyatt on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 11:21am.
“But couldn't you find the money? Isn't there a way if you really wanted it, if you really wanted it for long-term investment?”
This could have come straight out of Atlas Shrugged: "You can, if you wanted to!". Ok Brian, we're losing our way because we're not spending money we don't have. What planet do you live on?
"Elections have consequences" ... unless the Republicans win
"Dissent is Patriotic" ... when it's against conservative policies.
Brian Williams is like a
Submitted by buddyc on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 11:31am.
Brian Williams is like a thermometer. He directly reflects the termperature of true panic on the left. Probably the least partisan of the 3 main news anchors (but still partisan), he has reached simmer, just below boiling. His comments about the "unknown donors" and this hit on Christie shows good things for republicans. It shows that the Obama "hold on to the change" tour isn't cutting it.
Brian
Submitted by okiehawk44 on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 11:42am.
Get a grip! Man-up Brian. If this tunnel is that important why don't you and other radical leftists ask Soros, Lewis, and Gates pay for it out of their pocket change? Really!
okie, because
Submitted by gfrrman on Sat, 10/23/2010 - 12:20am.
"Socialists eventually run out of other peoples' money"..Margaret Thatcher....how true.
G
liberals being liberals
Submitted by holeinthehull on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 11:46am.
Liberals have lost their way-not that they ever knew their way...but Brian Williams is the typical elitists that asks Christie "Can't you find the money" after being told by Christie he can't do it because NJ has no money.
Liberals don't have a clue about anything other than their firm grip on their emotionally wrecked lives they lead every day.
Brian-just read the news and quit asking stupid ass questions!
www.holeinthehull.com
Chris Christie has some
Submitted by ML Stovall on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 11:49am.
Chris Christie has some magnum-sized cojones. I love how he simply answers the predictable whiny question with an actual truthful answer - something Williams is not used to hearing and obviously does not like. I know and apprecitate that he is trying to do the job for New Jersey but I certainly do wish he was running for president in 2012.
Apologies for the duplicate post
Submitted by ML Stovall on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 12:44pm.
Apologies for the duplicate post
A tunnel...
Submitted by stage9 on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 11:58am.
New Jersey is bankrupt and Brian is worried about a tunnel....
Krugman is worried the nation will collapse because of a tunnel...
What planet have I stepped onto?
It's that kind of liberal "thinking" (and I use that word very loosely) that bankrupted New Jersey to begin with., and yet liberals still don't get it.
incredible.
"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner." — Malcolm Muggeridge
Thank you Mr. Baker. I thoroughly enjoyed this piece.
Submitted by Graig36 on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 12:08pm.
Chris Christie, you are the man.
Christie is now rethinking
Submitted by goldbar on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 12:37pm.
Christie is now rethinking his position. Every year the tunnel is delayed, it will add enormously to the completion cost. So by opposing it now by saying there will be "runaway costs" is actually contributing to the increased expenditure of the project in the future. If Christie really wanted to make a statement, he'd okay the tunnel project only under the condition they hire only unemployed workers from New Jersey.
You must be on welfare, Nugget
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 1:15pm.
When the rest of us are broke, we're broke. Period. No new car. No new widescreen. No Giants tickets.
Are these unemployed workers going to work for free?
But I might go along with your unemployed NJ workers solution as long as you locate the unemployed concrete, unemployed steel and unemployed heavy equipment all those unemployed workers will need to finish the job.
Yeah, right! Gov. Christie
Submitted by motherbelt on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 1:32pm.
Yeah, right! Gov. Christie is saying No to a "shovel-ready" stimulus project!! THAT's how you spin it!!
"...as long as you locate the
Submitted by goldbar on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 1:57pm.
"...as long as you locate the unemployed concrete, unemployed steel and unemployed heavy equipment all those unemployed workers will need to finish the job".
That's all been outsourced to China....really.
Maybe they'll donate it to NJ
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 2:03pm.
I'll email Chris about that.
But we're still broke. Actually, broke means no money. We're worse than broke. We already owe billions.
Gold
Submitted by Samshile on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 1:56pm.
The money comes out of the money I need to pay my mortgage, utility, bills, kids shoes. Which one are you going to force out of me?
I dont want the tunnel. If you do, you pay for it.
Try not mono-focusing on my money ok?
Try solving issues, with ideas, that dont include you forcing money from my family.
How was it being paid for?
Submitted by goldbar on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 2:34pm.
How was it being paid for? Gas tax? Property tax? How much money is each individual on the hook for?
goldbar, that is the problem.
Submitted by bassndude on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 2:42pm.
goldbar, that is the problem. It is not paid for and has not been paid for. One of the reasons for the size of the state debt is they were continuing projects they were not able to pay for. The net result was billions in debt.
Get a clue gold.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal/troll!!
Nugget, as usual, you're missing the point:
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 2:53pm.
It was not "being paid for" by anyone.
That's why Corzine is now in a daytime bowling league.
just 'cause Corzine wanted it
Submitted by SouthJersey1953 on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 1:03pm.
While Corzine was Gov, he pushed it. We (NJ residents) called it the tunnel to nowhere becasue NJ was putting all this money into it and NY wasn't. Looked like it was going to be a tunnel to the middle of the river, then just sit there for decades until NY decided to pay for their half. This is just one more reason that I am glad I voted for Christie.
Krugman, Williams, NYT, don't
Submitted by jdhawk on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 1:31pm.
Krugman, Williams, NYT, don't give a crap about this tunnel. They just want any talk about the issues off the front page and off the 6:00PM news. Yesterday, it was Juan Williams. The day before yesterday "secret donors. Today, it is the "tunnel."
The real issues are: Job! Jobs! Jobs!
This congress and administration have failed miserably at it. They gave our money away, in the form of mulitple stimulus pacakges, to state and local governments and their workers. The states spent the money and are asking for more. They refuse to cut spending in any meaniful way.
That is important to understand because at the federal level we are back where we started. It is as if the stimulus packages were for nothing because nothing has changed.
Nevertheless, in the middle of a recession, almost every state raised taxes. The result was, in most cases, even less money going into state's coffers. If had the reverse effect than what was intended.
Meanwhile, the federal government is borrowing 42 cents out of every dollar to maintain its bloated and out of control budget. This congress and administration have done nothing to reign in out of control spending. In fact, the opposite, they want to spend even more (with Krugman and Williams egging them on)!
Vote conservative. Vote early. You can vote right now in most states. Don't wait. Don't let something come up and not get there on Nov 2.
When a journalist resorts to channeling Paul Krugman . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 5:30pm.
. . . you might as well turn off the program.
Since when did Krugman become the know-all and end-all in economics?
If Nobel Prize winning Krugman has all the answers, why doesn't Obama make him Secretary of the Treasury?
Williams' comes off like a whiney teenager trying to persuade Daddy to buy him a car after Daddy just lost his job. "I know you lost your job, Dad, but WHY can't you buy me a car?"
And why build a tunnel to Manhattan? According to Al Gore, Manhattan is going to be under 20 feet of Atlantic Ocean by 2040.
Christie would be smarter to encourage the building of a new financial center on the Jersey side of the river; then they won't need another tunnel into Manhattan. And when Manhattan submerges as Gore predicts, New Jersey will become the financial capital of the East Coast, while Bloomberg runs tours of Manhattan from a glass-bottomed boat.
Williams is a stooge
Submitted by sam12663 on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 2:16pm.
“But couldn't you find the money?
If this was a federal project they could just print the money needed to get this unnecessary project done. Just put the cost on the backs of future taxpayers.
Perhaps we could find the money by cutting out NEA grants, NPR grants, union kickbacks, teacher union bailouts, lobbyist kickbacks, turtle tunnel grants, cockroach migration grants, etc.
It is this liberal mindset that has this nation on the brink of financial ruin. Just build it, we'll find a way to pay for it later.
Let them swim across the Hudson.
Obama has money for
Submitted by Free Stinker on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 3:24pm.
Obama has money for everything[1] so surely he can magically produce more for this tunnel.1 - Except for Defense, Homeland Security, NASA, or this tunnel.
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Sounds like a “shovel
Submitted by ninerdog on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 3:47pm.
Sounds like a “shovel ready project” to me!!! Sorry it’s like a high fast ball just can’t lay off of it