The ABC and NBC anchors on Thursday night framed stories, on the controversy over President Obama's upcoming Tuesday address to the nations' schoolchildren accompanied by a Department of Education recommendation that teachers have their students “write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the President,” through the prism of Obama as a victim of unfair presumptions.
“It seemed like a simple idea,” fill-in ABC anchor George Stephanopoulos sighed in offering the most benign description of how Obama's “going to kick off the school year next week by speaking directly to America's classrooms, the kind of pep talk to encourage kids to do their best.” But, Stephanopoulos noted, “the idea ran into a storm of protests. School districts across the country are fielding calls from angry parents. Some fear their kids will be forced to hear a partisan message.”
On NBC, Brian Williams declared Obama's “message will be about the importance of working hard and staying in school” and though “Presidents have done this type of thing before,” those occurred, he rued, before “this hyper-partisan era of instant and vocal outrage immediately on both the right and the left.”
(“Hyper-partisan instant and vocal outrage immediately” sounds like a perfect description for much of what's delivered by Williams' NBC colleagues at MSNBC.)
In the subsequent reports, both ABC's Jake Tapper and NBC's Kevin Tibbles pointed out the controversy was fueled by a classroom guide that originally suggested pre-K through 6th grade teachers have their kids “write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the President,” but that was changed to recommending students “write letters to themselves about how they can achieve their short-term and long-term education goals.” (Screen shot is from the NBC Nightly News.)
PDF of the revised “Menu of Classroom Activities; President Obama’s Address to Students Across America (PreK-6)” from the Department of Education. The item in question is under “After the Speech.”
Story from the MRC's CNSNews.com, “Revision: Education Dept. Changes Suggested Classroom Activities for Students Who Watch Obama’s Speech.” The Washington Times broke the story.
(Only Stephanopoulos on Thursday night mentioned the “finger” incident: “The fight over health care reform has gotten physical. If you thought the stories out of some of those town hall meetings couldn't get any stranger, get this. At a demonstration in Thousand Oaks, California, one reform supporter bit off half the finger of a man standing with opponents. According to the victim, he was just passing by.”)
The CBS Evening News didn't mention that event and also had nothing on the controversy over the speech to schoolchildren.
How the ABC and NBC anchors framed the speech to school kids stories on Thursday night, September 3:
George Stephanopoulos on ABC's World News:
Good evening. It seemed like a simple idea. President Obama was going to kick off the school year next week by speaking directly to America's classrooms, the kind of pep talk to encourage kids to do their best. But the idea ran into a storm of protests. School districts across the country are fielding calls from angry parents. Some fear their kids will be forced to hear a partisan message. Others are threatening to keep their children home.
Brian Williams on the NBC Nightly News:
President Obama, as you may know, is scheduled to talk to American school kids next week in a speech to be carried on the White House Web site and on C-SPAN. His message will be about the importance of working hard and staying in school. Presidents have done this type of thing before, not, however in this hyper-partisan era of instant and vocal outrage immediately on both the right and the left.
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center
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Indoctrination starts at an early age
September 3, 2009 - 20:03 ET by Poljunkunder the Obama regime. Just what we want for our children, are you kidding me!
This is exactly what the
September 4, 2009 - 14:00 ET by JRJ08This is exactly what the country needs, right? A bunch of lunatic politicians raging that the President of the United States would dare to address their children in school and encourage them to study and work hard. Disgusting, isn't it. How dare this socialist thug try to indoctrinate our children. He may as well serve them some of that Kool-Aid while he's at it.
This is pathetic. People in conservative blogs have become the victims of their own lies and dogma. They have bought into so many of their own rumors and half-truths that they have convinced themselves that this president is no better than Adolf Hitler (who, by the way, wasn't a socialist at all). What are we teaching our children with this kind of behavior? That black men in power are evil? Or that their wives are the cronies of corrupt politicians? That anybody who doesn't agree with them 100% is the enemy, rather than just another American with a different point of view that they might also take into consideration?
Listen to yourselves. You're scaring the kids.
Sarcasm?
September 4, 2009 - 14:03 ET by Sergeant ROCKI would hope so. Because that would be a pretty good rant if the ecidence wasn't to the contrary.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
JRJ it's the Department of
September 4, 2009 - 14:04 ET by Radical1979JRJ it's the Department of Education's follow up activities calling on the students to reflect on how they can serve their president that we object too. Not how they can serve their country or do for others, what they can do for Obama. That's where the line is being crossed. That and the idolization after the speech the Department of Education wanted the children to do.
Again, listen to yourselves.
September 4, 2009 - 14:33 ET by JRJ08Again, listen to yourselves. You're attacking the President of the United States for wanting to give a pep talk to school children. You're digging deep for any rotten morsel you can to make a stink out of something which you should be saying is a good thing. You spew the racist rant of Greer, who has publicly stated that he doesn't want this president indoctrinating his children with a socialist ideology. What could be more preposterous? If you're going to go after the president, go after something that at least makes some sense, rather than something like this which only confirms that you're a bunch of racists who are mortified that there's a black man sitting the White House. For God's sake, he just going to tell them to study and stay in school. And who the hell cares if the kids were going to be asked to write letters to the President suggesting ideas? What is wrong with that? How does that threaten a single one of you? Not that you ever really had it, but you have all completely lost it on this one.
YOU are the one NOT listening!
September 4, 2009 - 14:40 ET by Sergeant ROCKIf there was nothing nefarious about his Obama Corp speech, why then did the Whitehouse issue an excuse or an apology for the content of the speech and issued a new one? The one you keep referencing, in fact.
Just because you want to remain ignorant of the facts does not give you the right to dictate to others here to do the same.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
"Obama Corp" speech? Is that
September 4, 2009 - 14:54 ET by JRJ08"Obama Corp" speech? Is that remark supposed to be a sign of your objectivity? You and I both know that it wouldn't have mattered what the President's speech had been about or how it was presented by the school board. People here would have a found a way to attach the word "nefarious" to it. I don't think you're ignorant of the facts. I think most people here know exactly what the facts are. They just choose to ignore them and add their own little spin. Why? Because you're a bunch of racists. The White House NEVER issued an apology or an excuse. However, their response to Florida's Republican Party chairman Greer's stupendously belligerent statement was "Nonsense!"
Dodge and parry - AGAIN!
September 4, 2009 - 15:01 ET by Sergeant ROCKYeah, two facts - One is that the speech and accompaning documentation was changed to what you keep referencing to (as though the former never happened)..and that you continue to avoid that fact. Are you saying that the Whitehouse lied?
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Encino Johnny, struggling mightily, still can't avoid race card
September 4, 2009 - 15:01 ET by SickofLibs"Because you're a bunch of racists"
Keep 'em coming, Johnny. You're true colors are coming thru loud and clear now.
"Why? Because you're a
September 4, 2009 - 15:07 ET by NL207"Why? Because you're a bunch of racists"
This is the summation of your entire position here. I think I speak for nearly everyone when I say that we reject your thesis and we reject you.
Gosh, NL207...If only I
September 4, 2009 - 15:40 ET by JerGosh, NL207...If only I had been treated as classily. I slammed Wright, Jackson, Sharpton, and Farrahkan as "race baiters" and, in return, was collectively described as a "foolish, asinine, mentally impaired, arrogant, shamelss piece of shit and partisan hack with my head wedged up Obama's ass."
I shudder at the level of vitriol if I had dared to play the race card.
Jer
~Jer
September 4, 2009 - 15:45 ET by choselife3xDon't judge us all by a few.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
You may be punch drunk
September 4, 2009 - 15:45 ET by KarmaYou may be punch drunk right now and are wrong most of the time Jer, but most of us don't reject you.
Healthcare...Food...Education...Housing... - What sprouted as free for some is maturing into a free-for-all.
and..
September 4, 2009 - 15:49 ET by katainkentwith one put down you bring another up. Was that your intent?
kat...
September 4, 2009 - 16:23 ET by JerNot sure I understand your point. Please explain.
Jer
arg the elusive page 2
September 4, 2009 - 16:29 ET by katainkentYou elevate JRJ's arguement when you tear down NL207s
kat...
September 4, 2009 - 17:43 ET by JerHow did I tear down NL argument?
As an aside, why didn't you tell me where Dan's apology was. I tried to PM you, but you don't accept them.
Jer
Jer
September 4, 2009 - 17:56 ET by katainkentI did! Oh my goodness Jer. Backtrack to your own question.
And you are correct, I don't accept PMs.
kat...
September 4, 2009 - 18:15 ET by JerI checked my request to you once again, and there was a post from Dan instructing you not to tell me--to make me find it for myself. In other words, wade through over 120 subsequent blogs and thousands of comments. Dan was having a big time playing his games. It appears you abided by his instructions, at least on this thread. Are you suggesting you disclosed the info somewhere else?
Jer
*sigh*
September 4, 2009 - 18:18 ET by katainkentI give up. If you aren't going to click the links I give you I have no idea what do.
Don't give up: I did
September 4, 2009 - 18:25 ET by JerDon't give up: I did click but didn't get to it the first time. I was initially looking for a link within your response, and then I rechecked the posts on this thread. I went back again to the other thread and found your info.
Thanks very much.
Jer
uh huh
September 4, 2009 - 19:03 ET by katainkentwell I nefariously apologize for nefariously going to bed. :P
kata
September 4, 2009 - 18:37 ET by MrShyNotice how Jer is being intellectually dishonest with you here? Probably with himself, too.
He's a schemer. Schemer Jer.
~Stop it!
September 4, 2009 - 18:48 ET by choselife3xDo I need to post a "give peace a chance" link here?! Don't make me pull a Shy on your @ss! :-p
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
c3x
September 4, 2009 - 19:00 ET by MrShyYou are a professional sign poster around these parts.
Jer's being an irritant, what can I say. It is what it is.
Whirled peas. One of my
September 4, 2009 - 19:02 ET by celatorWhirled peas. One of my favorites.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
You are unbelievable, Shy...
September 4, 2009 - 19:05 ET by JerI'm telling kat exactly what happened. Stop it Shy. Grow the hell up and stop lying about me. You want to hook me up to a polygraph? I'll pay for it. You are beyond pathetic.
Jer
Jer's gotta point
September 4, 2009 - 20:32 ET by RESTLESS 1If Dan manned up and apologized, then he should had pointed Jer in the right direction, or better yet, through a PM as well.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
Dear God...Thanks Restless.
September 4, 2009 - 20:42 ET by JerDear God...Thanks Restless. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. I've never initiated a buddy request. That's about to change.
Jer
NB should change it's name..
September 4, 2009 - 20:45 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. to 'AllAboutJer.org'. And then we could avoid any confusion as to where we can find an apology to Jer, when it was made, etc. And also end the numerous threads addressing various issues when the only issue that needs to be discussed here is Jer. There could also be a hurt feelings thread where Jer could pound his fists on the keyboard and demand apologies. And other threads could be dedicated solely to his self-adulation.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Whatever Sergeant
September 4, 2009 - 20:54 ET by RESTLESS 1If Dan actually apologized, as I believe he should have, then he should have the balls to stand behind it. If not, then he is no better than the liberals I scorn on a daily basis.
Yeah, I said it, so what?
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
Handwringer 1
September 4, 2009 - 21:02 ET by Sergeant ROCKAt least you've got priorities.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
I don't care enough to wring hands
September 4, 2009 - 21:14 ET by RESTLESS 1but what are your proirities? To be you own man, or follow the crowd?
Jer has been nothing but fair here, something we always bitch that liberals don't do. Jer comes in, gives his views, and on occasion, has changed his mind when given good reasons to do so.
Why alienate, in the face of the opportunity to convince someone that, perhaps we are not the evil, war mongering, racist, sons of bithches the left make us out to be.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
Ha Ha Ha Ha!
September 4, 2009 - 21:19 ET by Sergeant ROCKIndeed! You are a hand-wringer! You are more concerned about how the left views your positions rather than having the confidence that your positions are correct and do not need the validation of someone on the left!! Wow!
How many hardcore leftists have you converted to date anyway?
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Great, now I'm in a flame war
September 4, 2009 - 21:29 ET by RESTLESS 1With one I aree with on most occasions. Alas, on this, I can't agree. I have posted many times here, with no thought as to who agrees and who doesn't. Frankly, I don't give a shit who agrees, and who doesn't.
How many hardcore leftists have you converted to date anyway?
Does my mom, two cousins, one wife, and at least three co-workers count?
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
Look at the bright side..
September 4, 2009 - 21:36 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. at least you've gained another friend on the left. However, I don't think you'll be adding him to your list of conversions anytime soon.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
So, am I to take it
September 4, 2009 - 21:57 ET by RESTLESS 1that I have necessarily made an enemy on the right?
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
This kind of reminds me of the situation with the CIA
September 4, 2009 - 22:01 ET by Sergeant ROCKAnd how we should be more concerned about how terrorists are/were treated.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Well, if you are equating
September 4, 2009 - 22:20 ET by RESTLESS 1Jer with terrorists, then you are pretty fuc#$d up. I've taken Jer through the wringer, (pun intended), many times.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
No moron..
September 4, 2009 - 22:22 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. it's a reference to your hand-wringing. Geez!
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
I'm not in the least
September 4, 2009 - 22:32 ET by RESTLESS 1concerned with Jer's feeling on the matter. The principle is what matters.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
Perception is worth considering
September 4, 2009 - 22:39 ET by Sergeant ROCKWhat was that remarkin the 9/11 report? Something about 'Islam was at war with us and we were not at war with them..' Same thing applies here, as far as 'liberals' are concerned.
So, you can trade cookie recipies with the enemy while chastizing your supposed allies, if you like. I don't know what you hope to accomplish by doing so.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
I don't hope to gain anything
September 4, 2009 - 22:48 ET by RESTLESS 1Like I said, I stand on principle. I thought all true conservatives did so.
But, I would welcome anyone with a good oatmeal raisin cookie recipe that wishes to share.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
Yes, one here is concerned about principle..
September 4, 2009 - 22:53 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. the other is more concerned about the mistreatment of the enemy. At least, that's what the many posts would suggest. Are you sure you are not a moderate? They like to 'just get along' too.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Gee, I'm not getting along with you right now
September 4, 2009 - 23:02 ET by RESTLESS 1So, I must not give two shits about getting along, huh.
Right is right, and you are wrong on this one.
I'm done.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
Run away if you like
September 4, 2009 - 23:13 ET by Sergeant ROCKNope, you'd be wrong for attacking a supposed ally so as to acquire a cookie recipe from the enemy. You are quick to compromise.
And your declaration of war is noted.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Take it to the woodshed.
September 4, 2009 - 23:15 ET by NL207Take it to the woodshed. You are wasting space here.
Fine,
September 4, 2009 - 23:41 ET by RESTLESS 1We can carry this on here.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
Who the hell are you?
September 4, 2009 - 23:53 ET by Sergeant ROCKJust wondering who put you in charge?
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
I am the man your mother
September 4, 2009 - 23:58 ET by NL207I am the man your mother warned you about. Take your beef to the woodhsed. Nobody except you and restless want to see it here.
And yet..
September 5, 2009 - 00:08 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. here you are.. AGAIN! <roll eyes>
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
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"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
~R1
September 4, 2009 - 23:09 ET by choselife3xI have an excellent recipe! Six spice oatmeal raisin cookies. Stand by for an e-mail tomorrow. And yes, we do. Thank you for doing so. Again. My regard for you just keeps growing.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Sergeant ROCK
September 4, 2009 - 22:50 ET by MrShyThank you. Jer is Mr. Where's My Apology all over this site, and guess what, he's not a conservative. I'm not on here to snuggle up and play nice -- ABOUT THE ISSUES/POLITICS -- with someone who's on the other side of the debate. I treat Jer -- ** who's a liberal ** -- like I treat them all here. Firmly, and I stay on-topic. I take ribbing from them and dish it back. Nothing ever personal.
Jer is really all about me-me ad infinitum around here, and I'm rather surprised he's not wearing thin on more people, although I think some are coming around to him. I'm sure he's a nice fella and all, but he's a liberal and this is NB, not the park or a party.
Sheesh.
And you'd also think, in the state this country's in and with the most frightening man running our country -- and the MSM doing it's heinous thing -- some of us would not be so concerned about some guy's/girl's feelings... on a freakin' politcs/media blog site.
I shoot straight, and I'll continue to. And I'll do it with some humor. If the Jer's of the world can't help but muck it up with all their aired-out personal drama and feelings and online vendettas, then this ain't the place for them.
Shy,
September 4, 2009 - 22:50 ET by RESTLESS 1If you have something to say to me, you can say it directly. You don't have to hide behind Sergeant Rock here.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
REST1
September 4, 2009 - 23:05 ET by MrShyWell, it's a lot of people. Really, I don't know why quite a few are so in love with Jer. :p Again, I'm sure a good guy, and if we all throw an NB party, it's pink champagne all around.
But REST1, seriously, about 60-70% of his posting is personal/feelings reactionary stuff.
Man, I really do miss Jason and Leon, and even Bal, who I wish would post more. He doesn't take us "evil Republicans" too seriously and sets aside the way we dialogue here from, say, how we might in person, or outside NB, if we actually knew each other.
MrS... You're not
September 4, 2009 - 23:18 ET by bigtimerMrS...
You're not alone...at all.
Jer is getting the attention he craves...sadly.
I named him 'get the last word in Jer' long ago.
Not worth it..he has an agenda...and plenty here are fulfilling it instead of ignoring him.
I don't need to be told by anyone how we all have to interact with anybody here, this is a political site, to learn from each other, not play Facebook interaction BS. ..may be the wrong example, but I hope someone knows where I am coming from.
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
Facebook interaction? lol
September 4, 2009 - 23:49 ET by Sergeant ROCKYou are dead-on. Of course, he has an agenda. You have some people here that are tied up in knots over this interaction BS. Why do you need this when dealing with the enemy? Is this like unilateral disarmament?
Of course, if I may be my own critic, going 'round and 'round with him over his inane, meandering diatribe fullfills part of his needy obsessive complex.
However, to do so every now again demonstrates what you say to be true,
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Sarge... We all take our
September 4, 2009 - 23:55 ET by bigtimerSarge...
We all take our turns...know what I mean? ;-)
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
Well, Shy
September 4, 2009 - 23:18 ET by RESTLESS 1About 60-70% of the replies to him are not arguments, but attacks. I have always debated the facts with Jer, so maybe I don't see what you see.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
REST1
September 4, 2009 - 23:25 ET by MrShyIt's called passive agression. He pulls many of us in. I'm a sucker. :p Friends and family all around me are like this. I may be a bit, too, but I work hard not to be.
And yes, BT, it's moveon.org time! :)
True
September 21, 2009 - 08:55 ET by Sergeant ROCKBut REST1, seriously, about 60-70% of his posting is personal/feelings reactionary stuff.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Why don't you worry about
September 4, 2009 - 23:05 ET by JerWhy don't you worry about yourself, Shy. You seem to be the one with serious problems to address. And, for the record, that was the "old" Shy who was a straight shooter, and did it with humor. The "new" Shy bears absolutely no resemblance to him.
Jer
Jer
September 4, 2009 - 23:13 ET by MrShyJer, I've always got a sense of humor, and I haven't changed. You really treat NB as some virtual world where you pretend to really know us all, like we all go "way back".
Jer, I don't know you. You're just some guy on NB who is basically a liberal, and these days -- for a year, even -- and increasingly, I don't suffer fools, sorry. Fools with regards to THIS, not fools as people. You're plenty smart, and a good guy. My family members are, and my friends, but they too are libs and that's where it baffles me.
Anyway, it's always about the debate and issues here. Nothing ever personal.
This is my last post here. I'm not going to hold your hand on this anymore. You really seem to have the emotional maturity of a 10 year-old, ideology and politics aside (or maybe it's just with this, or online with you, I have no idea...)
Apologists everywhere!
September 4, 2009 - 23:09 ET by Sergeant ROCKYes, JerK, who had promised to leave here for good, just cannot get over himself. There's some sort of compulsive disorder at play here.
Attack and divert is the tactic here. 'He called me a name!' 'Therefore, I need to post many demands for an apology rather than defend the actions of my ilk!'
And invariably, a supposed ally shows up to lecture you as to why you should be more civil to your enemies so as to earn their respect and admiration.
I fail to see what that accomplishes when you are talking about people diametrically opposed to everything you believe in.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
I have no beef with you today Sergeant Rock
September 4, 2009 - 23:15 ET by shawn228even though we have had it out a few times. I meant what I said to Jer that I wish to debate today and not get personal.
My .02 is that despite our political affiliation we are all American's and good dialogue is important. There are many members here than like nothing better than a pile on, and there are some that actually prefer a good debate.
IMO that is whata separates NB from sites like KOS and Redstate.com
"I swear sometimes the self-appointed moral police are as obnoxious and demanding of big government interference as "environmentalist" gun control advocates, labor unions and trial lawyers"~fitzfong
~Please
September 4, 2009 - 23:21 ET by choselife3xdefend the actions of my ilk
We are each responsible only for our own actions. You can't hold Jer responsible for the sins of all Democrats, collectively.
I despise Leftists, and I respect Jer. Those two are not mutually exclusive. I'm not saying be civil to Leftists, I'm saying be civil to a fellow NBer, whom I have never seen behave poorly.
Good night, all.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Again, it's demonstrated..
September 4, 2009 - 23:38 ET by Sergeant ROCKI'm not holding your beloved Jer responsible for all democRATS. Just merely pointing out the hypocrisy. And people like you get their panties in a wad over poor Jer's feelings. I have yet to see anything here directed at him or any other liberal pablum puker that was so over the top that it required a scolding from a supposed ally. You, like some others here, fall right into the 'divide and conqueor' trap. And he's no 'fellow NB'er'. This is a site dedicated to exposing liberal bias. Not for attracting liberals to enlighten us to the wonders of liberalism. On the contrary, to expose and defeat it. You can believe what you want, but Jer isn't the darling that you make him out to be. Once his cage is rattled and he's out of clever witicisms, he can be just as nasty as anyone else. But, feel free to expend most of your energy defending him.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
~No Sarge
September 5, 2009 - 09:33 ET by choselife3xYou are so far off base you're going to need a map to find your way back.
Tell me something, how can liberalism be exposed and defeated by simply making personal attacks? If you all would have just STFU Jer would have had to answer my posts. You know, the ones that actually had something to do with the topic?! As it was, he was so busy answering your BS meaningless drivel that my salient points are left unanswered.
If you don't have anything meaningful to contribute to a dialogue with a fellow NBer of good standing..then sit down and
STFU.
I'm not your ally, I don't ally myself with habitual a-holes. And I'll thank you, sir, to leave your filthy mind off my clothes.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Sarge... You are aware of
September 4, 2009 - 23:01 ET by JerSarge...
You are aware of what my views are re. anti-terrorism/enhanced interrogation policies are you not? I've stated them plenty of times, but you seem to have made up your mind regarding what you guess my viewpoints are without any regard to accuracy. You have a preconceived stereotypical view, and you hammer everything into that box whether it's the truth or not.
Jer
Huh?
September 4, 2009 - 23:22 ET by Sergeant ROCKI don't know what this has to do with pointing out your obsession with this website and trying to rule over it. Though you promised to leave and never come back.
But, to that point... you can't have it both ways. You can't say, for example, that I support the Second Amendment, but I will vote for someone that would seek the Second Amendment's destruction.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
katainkent
September 4, 2009 - 20:50 ET by RESTLESS 1In all fairness, your links are a road to nowhere. If Jer is owed an apology, then the feckless meandering you and Dan are engaged in is nothing but a mockery of the issue.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
holy peas and carrots
September 4, 2009 - 21:09 ET by katainkentapparently Jer wrote his inquiry while I was writing this reply after which I went to bed. The following morning I found this post asking me to explain myself. Which I did. And I answered his question. Either yesterday or the day before's open thread. In the morning.
I was only trying to show Jer how to find a post of his own to backtrack to avoid further confusion.
Now I like Jer ok but this is way too much drama for me. I can't believe I stepped in it. Next time I won't post 4 hrs before I have to be to work it obviously impairs my judgement.
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We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. ~Thomas Jefferson
kat...And I had to get
September 4, 2009 - 21:33 ET by Jerkat...And I had to get ready for a doctor's appointment not long after I posted on the other thread, and I never saw your response until you linked it earlier.
I had become so frustrated over the whole matter...I just couldn't believe Dan would play games with me like that over an apology and instruct others not to help out. And then I wrote a fairly lengthy PM to you, pushed the send button and got the "does not accept" notice.
Dan the Man is the culprit in this drama--the only one.
The only possible criticism I would have of you would be if you already knew where the apology was when you posted on this thread that you had seen it. But it's moot now, and I appreciate your help.
Jer
Kat
September 4, 2009 - 21:46 ET by RESTLESS 1I aplogize if I misinterpreted your intent.
Given the context so far...oh well, I was in error.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
Restless... In fairness
September 4, 2009 - 21:21 ET by JerRestless...
In fairness to kat...even though I had a problem inititally, and also thought she was suggesting she had provided the location in a post lower on this thread, her links do take you to another thread where she posts some info which narrowed down the location.
Karma finally gave me the exact location. Dan didn't do sh!t. His whole m.o. was to toy around with me, obscure, taunt, quote yet more scripture to me, demand that I scour through thousands of comments in approximately 120 blogs, and in general to be an a$$hole. It's what he has done for around two years now--troll, stalk, and flame.
But you, Restless, have earned a permanent free pass from me, as well as my eternal gratitude for having the guts to say what should have already been said and unanimously agreed with.
Jer
→ Jer
September 4, 2009 - 21:48 ET by Cool ArrowHow did I miss all this?
Can I unanimously agree pending disqualification of the codicil?
I don't know what that is, but I always wanted to sound like a lawyer, and say "codicil".
Sounds nasty.
We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy
Cool...
September 4, 2009 - 21:55 ET by JerWhere there's a will, there's a codicil--maybe. But, I think you knew that.
Jer
They are race baiters.
September 4, 2009 - 23:08 ET by NL207They are race baiters. And maybe even racists as well.
I don't recall making any remarks about you having your head wedged up der Fuehrer's arse.
I will ask you this: Why in the name of God would you vote for Obama? O doesn't belive in anything you believe in. He does not accept rule of law. Free speech is only for those who agree with him. He rejects the Bill of Rights. He rejects the Declaration of Independence and he laments the Constitution restrains the government, in particular not prescribing "redistributive rights". He is clearly a Marxist. Why would you vote for an obvious Marxist unless you also are a Marxist?
NL:I wasn't referring to
September 4, 2009 - 23:16 ET by JerNL:
I wasn't referring to you when I posted that "collective description". Others had stated all of those things. Most of the name-calling was done by Sgt. Rock, bretzysdude, Dan the Man, MrShy...maybe one or two others.
And, with all due respect, it's difficult to debate when you begin with the proposition that Obama rejects the Constitution and the D o I, is an obvious Marxist and I must be one too. When things calm down a bit, maybe we can revisit the issue and have a good discussion about it.
Jer
The case against Obama is
September 4, 2009 - 23:26 ET by NL207The case against Obama is strong, in both word and deed.
The man is also a chronic liar and pathological narcissist.
I'll be happy to start with Rule of Law. We need look no further than the Chrysler and GM bankruptcies, in which Obama strong armed creditors and caused secured creditors to be treated as junior creditors behind the unsecured, FUTURE claims of the United Autoworkers Union. In so doing, BO overthrew 200 years of bankruptcy law in this country and almost completely bypassed the courts. That is the measure of BO's respect for rule of law.
says the guy (JR) who would have 'lost it' if GWB had done same
September 5, 2009 - 10:33 ET by BO STINKS"...it must be known that we are at all times ready for war." G. Washington
starting to think
September 4, 2009 - 14:10 ET by katainkentthe race card is the only card you have.
Hilter wasn't a socialist, true. He was a Nationalist that found that socialists (German Workers Party) make excellent sheep. Thus, he changed the name to the National Socialist Party.
Study, work hard and serve the President. Finish the sentence. Sorry, but I have no desire for my children to join Obama's ClassroomCorp.
Encino Johnny can't make a post without invoking the race card
September 4, 2009 - 14:13 ET by SickofLibs"Black men in power are evil."
Yes, that is the crux of our message: destroy the back man. Everything else is a mere distraction.
You were a prick last week
September 4, 2009 - 14:34 ET by JRJ08You were a pr#ck last week and you're still a pr#ck today.
Nice. "The problem with
September 4, 2009 - 14:36 ET by QueenMumNice.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
Nice? As if being nice
September 4, 2009 - 14:44 ET by JRJ08Nice?
As if being nice has ever had anything remotely to do with this forum. This blog is all about one thing and one thing only: "Let's get a rope!" All things have to contribute to that one sublime objective. There is no honest give and take or mutual respect for differing ideas. You're all here to re-enforce each other's bigoted attitudes toward this president, and you will believe any lie, no matter how outrageous, if it validates your pre-Civil War mentality. Don't try to put a nice ribbon on what goes on here by acting insulted when somebody reacts to it.
~Keep telling yourself that
September 4, 2009 - 14:48 ET by choselife3xSo you don't have to actually read what we're saying and evaluate it honestly.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Do you see now what you're dealing with?
September 4, 2009 - 14:55 ET by Sergeant ROCKLet the enemy declare who they are. No need to try and reason with them.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
~Sarge
September 4, 2009 - 15:07 ET by choselife3xPeople like JRJ get nothing from me but merciless teasing. (ain't that right, JR!) Jer and JasonC are the only true libs here I give any credit.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Thanks
September 4, 2009 - 15:44 ET by JerThanks choselife3x...
Apparently one is thought less of for criticizing black race hustlers than for calling Republicans racists.
Jer
~Funny, ain't it?
September 4, 2009 - 15:51 ET by choselife3xI've been harangued, castigated, and vilified here by several people I've either never spoken to, or always been civil with. And then they called me an "instigator".
Illegitimi non carborundum, my friend.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
choselife...I'm tempted to post some
September 4, 2009 - 16:19 ET by JerI'm tempted to post some outrageously smear-mongering accusation just to see what it provokes. Couldn't be much worse.
Here is a synopsis of what I have posted which triggered the relentless, near-hysterical assault:
1. If Obama's projected remarks are political in nature, the speech should be canceled. If it is apolitcal, and simply stresses positive educational themes, it should be welcomed--particularly from the standpoint of inspiring black students who have disdained academic pursuits in the past.
2. Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrahkan, Al Sharpton, and Reverend Wright are all race baiters. I am unaware of any race baiting by Obama, but his remarks in the Gates case were certainly ill-advised.
3. I voted for Obama.
That's it. Unspeakably incendiary remarks, wouldn't you agree?
What does carborundum mean?
Jer
Jer: a test of outrageous smear-mongering accusations?
September 4, 2009 - 16:31 ET by SickofLibsEncino Johnny (JRJ08) already covered that category in spades here today on Jeopardy, with no less than 15 'racist' smears in a single thread, and liberally sprinkled with expletives. And he meant every one of them.
Just keep on keepin' on.
~It's terribly corrupted Latin
September 4, 2009 - 16:33 ET by choselife3xIt's a reference to a grinding stone.
"Don't let the b@st@rds wear you down", essentially.
I've been called just about every name in the book here and had my character, my motherhood, and my marriage impugned. And I'm a conservative on a conservative site who generally just likes to make a few jokes and have a good discussion now and then.
I usually just make a polite response to the BS, thereby highlighting it's BSiness even more. (yeah, you can use that one ;-)
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
If I "evaluated it honestly"
September 4, 2009 - 14:58 ET by JRJ08If I "evaluated it honestly" I would be thrown out of the site. And I'm having too much fun to risk that.
~Okay
September 4, 2009 - 15:03 ET by choselife3xRead my posts on this thread and tell me what about them indicates that I have a problem with Obama's skin color. Put up or shut up.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Ahh,, A TROLL..
September 4, 2009 - 15:03 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. that explains your ignorance of the facts.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
As I pointed out above, Encino Johnny can't resist the race card
September 4, 2009 - 14:56 ET by SickofLibs"bigoted attitudes toward this president"
"pre-Civil War mentality"
But, please, keep on trying to convince yourself.
JRJ... Watch the
September 4, 2009 - 14:41 ET by bigtimerJRJ...
Watch the language, you know the rules here.
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
Correctimundo, Encino Johnny
September 4, 2009 - 14:52 ET by SickofLibsAnd every time you play that dogeared race card here I'm calling your sorry ass on it.
And how, exactly, are you
September 4, 2009 - 15:01 ET by JRJ08And how, exactly, are you going to call my ass on it, pr#ck?You going to tell people the street that I live on? You're just another cowardly internet toad who feels brave hiding behind his computer. If you're not a racist, you're doing a damn good imitation of one.
JRJ... You must be
September 4, 2009 - 15:11 ET by bigtimerJRJ...
You must be related to Rangel.
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
Encino Johnny calls SoL bad word again
September 4, 2009 - 15:13 ET by SickofLibsI'm sure your neighbors know all about you; no need for me to inform them.
When you play your race cards, I'll make sure to call you on it in a subject line.
It really adds nothing to what you think are your 'reasoned' posts, though.
Someone has a poopy
September 4, 2009 - 15:23 ET by Ruths husband BenSomeone has a poopy mouth. Does your mommie know you are on the internet again?
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho
Just for the record, Encino Johnny...
September 4, 2009 - 15:28 ET by SickofLibsThe fact that I object to your smearing of anyone who opposes your Messiah's plans does not make me or anyone else here a racist.
Unless you're going to tell us you are God or something, which I would not put past you.
Uh, JRJ,
September 4, 2009 - 15:56 ET by UpNorthhistory is the teacher here. What was the name of the "nazi' party? The National Socialist German Workers Party. It wasn't the National Democratic German etc, etc. Or the National Republican German etc. They thought they were socialists, Hitler did too.
As to what "we're" teaching the kids, if you listen to Pelosi, Reid, Bawney Fwank and the others, this is what they're teaching the kids, from your own post, "That anybody who doesn't agree with them 100% is the enemy, rather than
just another American with a different point of view that they might
also take into consideration"?
Got the official email from
September 3, 2009 - 20:05 ET by RR GOPGot the official email from my superintendent via my principal today.
They're going to have those who don't want to see it shunted off to the gym with busy work. Teachers are expected to show it.
Then a friend of mine who teaches at another high school told me that his principal was making it optional...same district...WTF? How'd I get stuck with the ball-less principal?
At any rate, I have my planning period when the Fuhrer is supposed to teleprompt, so I don't have to deal with it nor hear it. Shucky darns!
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
This is what has always ticked me off
September 3, 2009 - 21:20 ET by motherbeltThis is what has always ticked me off about these controversial classroom activities: it's always the kids who "opt out" who are "shunted off" somewhere else, as if they are the oddballs.
Even for sex-education classes....why don't they take the kids who ARE participating to another location; you know, make those kids stand out by having them Opt IN??
They always make it look like "taking part" is the normal thing, and those who "don't want to " have to go somewhere else.
Yes, but let one atheist
September 3, 2009 - 21:38 ET by needleYes, but let one atheist object to school prayer, and the spiritual component of the nation’s youth goes to Hell.
- Relying upon the State Run Media for your information is like relying upon an embezzler for your portfolio management.
needle, As I understand
September 3, 2009 - 21:45 ET by hydrodynDMneedle,
As I understand it, some cases against school prayer have been spearheaded by people of faith.
Just sayin.
I kinda' agree, hydro.
September 3, 2009 - 22:12 ET by KarmaI recall watching many discusions on talk tv with "men of faith" advocating and even bringing suits against prayer in school. Personally, they come across as wolves in sheeps clothing. I guess God only knows for sure.
Healthcare...Food...Education...Housing... - What sprouted as free for some is maturing into a free-for-all.
Karma, I looked it up and
September 4, 2009 - 05:41 ET by hydrodynDMKarma,
I looked it up and found the case I was thinking of - Santa Fe Independent School District vs. Doe where the side opposed to school prayer was represented by a Mormon and a Catholic.
I don't know - since it went all the way to the Supreme Court, I'm willing to believe they were really folks of faith - at least in this case.
Oh, bullshit. That's not
September 4, 2009 - 14:37 ET by JRJ08Oh, [expletive deleted by management]. That's not what is "ticking off" anybody here. You're ticked off that a black man in a position of authority has the nerve to make a speech to kids. Because that's only a job a white man can do, right?
Right. (Cue the "Twilight
September 4, 2009 - 14:40 ET by QueenMumRight. (Cue the "Twilight Zone" theme)
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
Keep calling us racists
September 4, 2009 - 15:00 ET by RESTLESS 1and you may be gone by the time I get home from work.
Oh, sorry, Work. That's a place where productive people go to earn money for there families. They accomplish this by performing assigned tasks that the business is in need of to...oh never mind.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
So you're doing this from
September 4, 2009 - 15:02 ET by JRJ08So you're doing this from work? Must be a demanding job.
Just as I thought
September 4, 2009 - 17:03 ET by RESTLESS 1You have no job. If you did, you would know of these things called breaks.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
JRJ
September 4, 2009 - 15:45 ET by Noel SheppardJRJ,
Watch the language or you'll be banned. ns
I'll send $50 via Paypal right now, if that would expedite it
September 4, 2009 - 16:20 ET by SickofLibsHe's already been thrown off a number of other sites, and is just eating up valuable electrons here.
OK,
September 4, 2009 - 16:03 ET by UpNorthwho's the real racist here? You just have to bring up race in every post, don't you? I agree with a previous post, you play the dog-eared race card ad nauseum, and you need to get called on it, every time. You have no argument, other than "you're all racists".
When in the history of the
September 4, 2009 - 16:56 ET by NL207When in the history of the United States has any previous President ever made such a speech as Obama proposes to make to school children?
No mere "white man" has ever had the presumption to do this and it is entirely inappropriate for any President to do this, regardless of party affiliation or color.
JRJ don't presume you know
September 4, 2009 - 22:05 ET by Radical1979JRJ don't presume you know what's ticking people off and that it's because people here are racist. I'm sure if that were true anyone here could find a white supremacy website to vent to. Race isn't the issue, at least not for us. I guess it is for you.
But, but, but...
September 3, 2009 - 20:05 ET by BKeyserI thought HopeyChangey was going to end all this partisan bickering that led the Department of Education to retract a completely innocuous request of the Obama Youth...
I love the push back from
September 3, 2009 - 20:11 ET by bigtimerI love the push back from this country against this empty-suit and his backers agenda...and it's so early yet. ;-)
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
bt, I said that in the
September 3, 2009 - 21:23 ET by motherbeltbt, I said that in the other thread...."we the people" can effect change!
Yes, we can! LOL
Of course they make it sound like he is being overly-accomodating in order to assuage anyone who "might" have a problem with it.
Rather than portraying it as what it is....being forced by public pressure to backtrack!
Even on our local conservie
September 3, 2009 - 20:13 ET by QueenMumEven on our local conservie talk shows, it seems that the follow-up worksheets and classroom discussions have been ignored. As far as I'm concerned, that's where the problem lies.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
Your point was made by
September 3, 2009 - 20:15 ET by Radical1979Your point was made by Laura Ingraham on O'Reilly tonight. That was also my objection when I called my Congressman today.
It's not exactly encouraging "critical thinking skills" to parrot back and praise a speech either.
Rad...it's been on a lot of
September 3, 2009 - 20:21 ET by bigtimerRad...it's been on a lot of the talking head conservative radio shows today...I've been happy about it.
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
bt I'm looking forward to
September 3, 2009 - 20:24 ET by Radical1979bt I'm looking forward to what my wise guy 17 year old daughter says in response to this thing if it's shown at her school. She's not a fan of Obama (to put it mildly) and doesn't suffer fools gladly (did I mention she was 17 and knows EVERYTHING?) In any case, she'll give 'em hell if they try to indoctrinate her.
Lol Rad... At 17, what
September 3, 2009 - 22:04 ET by bigtimerLol Rad...
At 17, what teen-ager doesn't think they know everything and have it all figured out as the song and dance goes?
...btw, good for her with her give 'em hell attitude if need be... they won't get anything over on her, you can tell she has great teachers at home.
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
it seems that the
September 3, 2009 - 21:17 ET by motherbeltit seems that the follow-up worksheets and classroom discussions have been ignored
I agree, QM...it's not so much the speech, but the required propaganda exercises that go alont with it!
give them all the finger
September 3, 2009 - 20:17 ET by katainkentRubber fingers for all the media talking heads.
School is about educating yourself on all fronts. Civics is only a small portion of the cirriculum. I don't doubt that everything the President says will have been sanitized for everyone's protection but the audacity of the Dear Leader Syndrome that Obama and his merry men have, is still there.
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We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. ~Thomas Jefferson
Even JFK asked people "what
September 3, 2009 - 20:17 ET by Radical1979Even JFK asked people "what you can do for your country" not what you could do for him.
→ Actually, Radical
September 3, 2009 - 20:25 ET by Cool ArrowJFK Plagiarized Kahlil Gibran:
Are you a politician asking what your country can do for you or a zealous one asking what you can do for your country?
We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy
CA I bow to your wisdom. I
September 3, 2009 - 20:30 ET by Radical1979CA I bow to your wisdom. I should have known since Joe Kennedy Sr these guys have all been crooks one way or another.
→ That quote
September 3, 2009 - 20:33 ET by Cool ArrowIt doesn't bother me so much that JFK used the quote, but that neither he, not successive generations of media gave due credit to its author.
We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy
So they essentially stole
September 3, 2009 - 20:37 ET by Radical1979So they essentially stole it by not giving credit where credit is due. Sorry, I just can't stand the Kennedy's.
Now Teddy is being glorified in the media. To much for me.
→ Another one, Radical
September 3, 2009 - 20:45 ET by Cool Arrow"You see things; and you say Why? But I dream things that never were; and I say Why not?" - George Bernard Shaw.
Sounds like something I heard at Robert Kennedy's funeral.
Change a couple of words, and a Democrat will take full credit.
Remember "Ice Ice Baby" and how it sounded so strikingly like David Bowie's "Under Pressure"?
The Kennedys were Milli Vanilla Ice.
Lip-Syncers.
We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy
Thank You CA, for my further education...........
September 4, 2009 - 04:03 ET by old croI had never heard of Gibran Kahlil Gibran before your posting. Remarkable poet. Remarkable life. Joe Biden agrees with you completely. Barney Frank asked if you really meant Lip-Sphincter's?
old cro Gibran is very worth
September 4, 2009 - 22:17 ET by Radical1979old cro Gibran is very worth reading. I've never read the passages Cool Arrow refered to, but now I'll be looking for them. Irritates the you know what out of me to find out Kennedy's were plagerizing him.
Rad...I haven't read those
September 4, 2009 - 22:24 ET by bigtimerRad...I haven't read those either, but if CA has them, they must be there...I know one thing, he was all the rage during the Flower Power Generation...heck, I liked some of his writings myself, still do.
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
Inaugural Address vs. school speech
September 4, 2009 - 12:37 ET by CobraMan"Even JFK asked people "what you can do for your country" not what you could do for him."
Kennedy said that as part of his inaugural address, not as part of a televise speech to school children. Apples to oranges.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
I called my kids' Grade
September 3, 2009 - 20:23 ET by Free StinkerI called my kids' Grade School, and the staff was trying very hard to help me, but they didn't have the "official" direction from the Board of Ed yet. Promised I could call tomorrow for an answer.
No worries. If they won't let the kids opt out, or I can't get a straight answer, I'll take the kids out of school for the day. (In NJ, Sept 8 is the 1st day of school) The wife agrees 100%. Should have heard what she said when I told her what was going on. ;-)
Obama and these school boards had better watch out. They just might end up creating hundreds, or even thousands of new "Sarah Palins" by pissing off Hockey/Soccer/Football/etc moms.
Williams
September 3, 2009 - 20:32 ET by ForbusI guess the "hyper-partisan era" started when Obama took the oath of office.
oh, c'mon now
September 3, 2009 - 20:32 ET by RayRayObama just wants to explain to kids that if their parents oppose him, it's because they're "racists"
And that all cops..........
September 4, 2009 - 04:06 ET by old croare stupid.
Anybody know a 5 year old with 'long term goals'???
September 3, 2009 - 21:14 ET by bpjamObama and his politburo were just so sure that they would be able to do with without question (i mean, were the teachers unions gonna offer any objections????) that they never even considered anything else.
They can't rework this thing because it was designed to be a cult-like indoctrination event. You don't replace that with 'education' when it going to be about making little kids love Obama and go home and tell their parents how great Obama is.
Like we ever needed the President of the United States to tell ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN to 'study harder' (as the WH is now claiming they were planning to do - despite the workbooks not matching that language even remotely).
High School kids would have balked at this or seen it for the propaganda that it is. But kids under 11? Obama and his cronies figured they could just slip this one right through.....
Legitimate concerns, but…
September 3, 2009 - 22:23 ET by needleWe should keep in mind that the merry band of spin artists that constitutes the current substance[I am NOT referring to drugs here]-free administration substituted “how they can achieve their short-term and long-term education goals" as the best band-aid they could conjure up for their originally incredibly tactless first edition: “what they can do to help the President.”
“What they can do to help the President” was what this project was all about in the first place, and still is below the surface. That is what this is really all about whether long or short term.
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"Give me four years to
September 3, 2009 - 21:26 ET by RR GOP"Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted." -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
"Destroy the family, you destroy the country."-- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
"40. Discredit the family as an institution.
41.
Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence
of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of
children to suppressive influence of parents."--Current Communist Goals, Extension of Remarks of Hon. A.S. Herlong, Jr. of Florida
In The House of Representatives
Thursday, January 10, 1963
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
How about school prayer?
September 3, 2009 - 21:31 ET by needleIf the Democrats are crass enough to want to encourage the nation’s kids to support Obama, the least they could do is stop attacking and start supporting school prayer.
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→ Needle
September 3, 2009 - 21:38 ET by Cool ArrowLong as they pray to Obama, there should be no concerns.
We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy
needle, Just curious.
September 3, 2009 - 21:53 ET by hydrodynDMneedle,
Just curious. What exactly do you mean by "support school prayer"?
Make prayers (Christian) a
September 3, 2009 - 22:30 ET by Dan The Man 2Make prayers (Christian) a part of the morning routine as was the pledge and training in citizenship. It was good enough for a hundred plaus years and did the country good; now look at us elected a maniac in office and seem to be in chaos. Mostly I ignored them as kid but they were important then and they are more important now.
What if you're not
September 3, 2009 - 22:32 ET by balboaWhat if you're not Christian?
When prayers were in school
September 3, 2009 - 22:42 ET by Dan The Man 2When prayers were in school I was not Christian, in fact I was one of those who made fun of Christaians and most religions; just like you I imagine?
Uh, no. I never had prayer
September 3, 2009 - 22:49 ET by balboaUh, no. I never had prayer in my school.
So what were you supposed to do while everyone else was praying?
It shows Bal.
September 3, 2009 - 23:09 ET by Dan The Man 2It shows Bal.
Prayer in school
September 4, 2009 - 10:14 ET by ThatDudeIn my school, we had a "moment of silence." It was a minute after announcements, just before class started, and was intended as an opportunity for kids to pray without interruption, if they so desired. Some used it to that purpose, some took it as a calm moment to relax before class, and others used it to scramble through homework they hadn't done the previous night. Even if they don't want to call it time for prayer in school, it still served a good purpose. What always shocked me was how the majority of the students seemed to be respectful for that minute and remain silent.
I haven't figure out if
September 3, 2009 - 22:52 ET by RR GOPI haven't figure out if prayer in school actually does anything. Couldn't hurt as far as I'm concerned. But, is not having school prayer a cause or a symptom?
Of course, those secular progressive types out there think things are quite swell, and there are no moral problems amongst our youth, and there is nothing positive about religion, especially Judeo-Christianity, so to them it's a moot point.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
But, is not having school
September 3, 2009 - 23:08 ET by Dan The Man 2But, is not having school prayer a cause or a symptom?
Both, the lack of prayer accelerates the problem. IMO prayer retarded the problems and emboldened the school to take care of them. It is a symptom of the lack of discipline and power than the school has over miscreants. In fact the problems of our society stem from the same.
God has been God, even
September 3, 2009 - 22:58 ET by KarmaGod has been God, even before Christianity. It just happens we are generaly a Christian nation. Others could improvise during, or ignore, the prayer without fear of violence or retribution. That's the Christian way. Maybe not utopia for believers of other faiths or athiests, but what other nations allow/ed such freedom?
Healthcare...Food...Education...Housing... - What sprouted as free for some is maturing into a free-for-all.
Bal,
September 3, 2009 - 23:01 ET by RESTLESS 1They could break out the PSP. Or crack open a book by Cal Thomas or Walt Williams. Whatever.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
Sadly..
September 3, 2009 - 21:49 ET by MightyMouthmost kids don't have "short term and long term education goals" or if they do the short term goal is to "get out of as much school that day as possible". Long term goals are get out of as much school in this semester as possible. Lets face facts: liberals have controlled "education" so long that the public school system is an empty shell of the one that educated the Greatest Generation and the Baby Boomers!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I think at that age......
September 4, 2009 - 04:14 ET by old crothe "short term and long term education goals" consists of what they are going to do when school lets out for the day.
Obama's speech to public school children
September 3, 2009 - 22:07 ET by JerMy opiniion:
If it's a political speech, in whole or in part, it's inappropriate and should be shelved.
On the other hand, if (as advance reports have indicated) the speech--optional for students--is simply to encourage all students to remain in school, diligently pursue their education, etc., and is thus ideologically neutral, I fail to see any possible basis for objection.
An undeniable fact is that an anti-educational culture has long been manifested among a statistically significant number of black students. Black kids who study hard and are academic achievers have often been derided by fellow black students for "acting white". There could be--and I'm sure have been--volumes written tracing the historical and sociological roots of this troublesome phenomenon. But anything that can assist in reversing and even eliminating the trend should--must--be perceived as a positive endeavor. Obama has a unique opportunity to exert the type of influence necessary to persuade those young black students who have previously disdained educational pursuits to appreciate the value of embracing them instead. Any such efforts should be lauded, not lamented.
Besides, I don't recall any similar hue and cry when Reagan made a video address to a number of middle schools during his presidency--even though his speech contained several ideological and quasi-political references.
Jer
Well Jer it seems the
September 3, 2009 - 22:16 ET by MightyMouthWell Jer it seems the "speech" has changed. Or is it just the sales pitch that has changed? You guys that still back this guy are starting to look rather foolish.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM...
September 3, 2009 - 22:20 ET by JerFunny...I don't feel foolish. Maybe it's because I support policies with which I agree, but not those with which I disagree.
Jer
Fair enough. Do you feel
September 3, 2009 - 22:28 ET by MightyMouthFair enough.
Do you feel black men have limited opportunity in America? If so is this real or are some (like Obama,Wright,Jackson,Sharpton,Fharikan) telling black men they have no opportunity? If what you stated is true Obama is race baiting and NOT the great unifier he claimed to be.
Jer, you don't have to be a guilty white man making amends for your ancestors just like black men don't need to live the lives of theirs!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Thanks, MM,
September 3, 2009 - 22:55 ET by JerThanks, MM, for relieving me of that responsibility. An exercise in futility, however, since I am not burdened with white guilt.
Opportunities remain limited in some areas to some degree, but for reasons that are essentially post-racial. However, at the risk of appearing self-contradictory, there are historically racist components which remain contributive factors forming contemporary barriers--yet now governed more by class and culture than race.
Jer
Are you categorically
September 3, 2009 - 23:00 ET by MightyMouthAre you categorically denying that you are a white liberal?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I am a white, center-left
September 3, 2009 - 23:04 ET by JerI am a white, center-left Democrat. Categorically.
Jer
Then by definition you feel
September 3, 2009 - 23:10 ET by MightyMouthThen by definition you feel guilty for slavery? Cmon Jer don't try to cover that up <sheesh>!!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Nonsense, MM...It was a
September 3, 2009 - 23:16 ET by JerNonsense, MM...It was a repugnant institution, an awful chapter of American history, but I don't feel guilty for it. Do you?
Jer
By the way, a follow-up to your earlier post. Yes, Wright, Sharpton, Jackson, and Farrahkan have clearly engaged in race-baiting. I haven't witnessed any by Obama. His initial remarks in the Gates matter [with its racial subtext] were unfortunate and objectionable however.
Ok Jer..
September 3, 2009 - 23:26 ET by MightyMouthbut you do realize that Obama supports Wright, Sharpton, Jackson and farahakan and Jones(BECAUSE HE NEVER REFUTES THEM!). Obama IS a racist you have nothing to prove me wrong. And I still can't understand why an intellegent person like you defends him(and them). What is up with you Jer?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM
September 3, 2009 - 23:33 ET by JerLet's see...I call Wright, Sharpton, et al "race baiters" and that's defending them? I can't understand why an intelligent person like you would make a statement like that.
Jer
Ah but we are talking
September 3, 2009 - 23:36 ET by MightyMouthAh but we are talking about OBAMA!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Then who was the "them" you
September 3, 2009 - 23:43 ET by JerThen who was the "them" you claimed I defended.
Jer
The "them" was the
September 3, 2009 - 23:50 ET by MightyMouthThe "them" was the race baiters led by the Racebaitn' Leader BHO. You can't defend the demons without defending Satan! or visa versa!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Race-Baiters?
September 4, 2009 - 07:28 ET by Sergeant ROCKRacist is a more accurate term. Don't get all politically correct on me now.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
No worries Sarge, just
September 4, 2009 - 11:00 ET by MightyMouthNo worries Sarge, just trying to gain some common ground with our loony leftist here!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Jer
September 3, 2009 - 23:44 ET by MrShy"Yes, Wright, Sharpton, Jackson, and Farrahkan have clearly engaged in race-baiting. I haven't witnessed any by Obama."
Seriously. And I *mean* seriously. Do you not see that O comes from this whole 'hood? He's from Chicago, and the part/culture that spat out all of these hideous creatures. He is friends with all of them. Throw in that Harvard Professor creep. He has never publicly -- with the exception of Wright only after his racist/hating shananagens were simply too much and a risk to his election -- disassociated himself from any of them. You're aware of this, are you not?
If this wasn't enough, well, he did almost nothing as a Senator for less than two years. In interviews he didn't even seem all that bright.
Name one thing that made you feel this is the man to go and vote for.
I believed on election day,
September 3, 2009 - 23:49 ET by JerI believed on election day, and still believe, that he was a better choice than John McCain.
Jer
No choice would have been better. Like a do-over.
September 3, 2009 - 23:52 ET by MightyMouth"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Jer
September 3, 2009 - 23:53 ET by MrShyWell then, the evil that is Sharpton, Jackson, The Rev, The Hahvahd "yo momma" Professor, Bill "the bomber" Ayers -- and the list goes on -- is really no big deal to you, and if anything, something this country needs more of.
Pretty sad.
I needed that laugh.
September 3, 2009 - 23:54 ET by Dan The Man 2I needed that laugh.
Where's the apology,
September 4, 2009 - 00:06 ET by JerWhere's the apology, Dan?
Jer
Perhaps you should heed
September 4, 2009 - 00:21 ET by Dan The Man 2Perhaps you should heed scripture "Seek and ye shall find". Of course trolls are not adept at seeking the facts. I could care less if you find it or believe.
Sorry can't let this
September 3, 2009 - 23:57 ET by MightyMouthSorry can't let this go...WHY?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM
September 4, 2009 - 00:27 ET by JerSorry, buddy...
I tried to make an honest and balanced post about Obama's proposed speech, which I'm more than willing to discuss with you. But when ambush trolls like Dan, bretzydude and Shy jump in and derail the debate [sadly, it's been their m.o. for a very long time] it makes it very difficult to continue the dialogue. Hopefully, we'll have another opportunity some time.
Jer
Always the excuse with you
September 4, 2009 - 00:38 ET by Dan The Man 2Always the excuse with you libs...must be from top down.
Jer
September 4, 2009 - 01:01 ET by MrShyAaaaaaawwww. You just can't catch a break, can you?
You have so many good reasons for voting for Obama, and if only those pesky NB'ers would stop their Jer-distracting, you could -- with some peace and zen-like quiet -- list all of the things you admire about CastrObama. But we just won't let you do it! Tsk tsk on us then.
MM, it's true. Naturally it's our fault Jer can't defend his vote.
Actually Shy... I figured
September 4, 2009 - 02:08 ET by JerActually Shy...
I figured the very fact you were voting for McCain, was reason enough to vote for Obama.
Jer
Again, I'M the troll.
September 4, 2009 - 07:59 ET by bretzysdudeAgain, I'M the troll. Whatever, Jer. You're the POS who believes anything and don't you forget it.
Easter Bunny
September 4, 2009 - 08:02 ET by Sergeant ROCKThere's a surprise. But then, when your head is firmly esconced in your rectum, it's a forgone conclusion.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
That's right,
September 4, 2009 - 18:34 ET by JerThat's right, dude...
Have you ever made a single attempt to engage me in productive dialogue. Nope. Have you chased me around to interject nothing but a snide, insulting remark? Numerous times. Big time troll.
Jer
Jer I almost voted for Obama
September 4, 2009 - 08:32 ET by shawn228In fact I did not decide to vote for McCain until 2 weeks before the election. As much as I disliked the former administration, I was concerned about things like affirmative action and the fairness doctrine.
I am now not regretting my decision at all. This man has spent over twice what the both wars cost withing a two month span and I don't see any results. I was scared under Bush for the national debt and deficit, but now I am terrified. The FCC Czar frightens me too and looks like wants to silence folks like Hannity, Rush and Levine. Regardless if you like them or not, they deserve to be on the air.
Obama is only proving folks to be right about him being a socialist President.
"I swear sometimes the self-appointed moral police are as obnoxious and demanding of big government interference as "environmentalist" gun control advocates, labor unions and trial lawyers"~fitzfong
O...proving folks to be right about him...a socialist - shawn228
September 4, 2009 - 08:40 ET by vrwc13...nail on head Shawn
v
...pass the popcorn please
Well gee, Shawn... Why
September 4, 2009 - 09:49 ET by JerWell gee, Shawn...
Why don't you throw in with MrShy and claim I'm mentally impaired for voting for the "punk", "fraud", "evil" man in the White House. Then you can yuk it up some more with JWF who "jokingly" called me "pornboy" and claimed he had launched a trojan horse invasion of my computer. Sgt. Rock's around. He's probably primed to toss out a few more "Shitbag", "fairy" and "moron" epithets at me. bretzydude is up to his usual ambush trolling. And then there's Dan the Man who has virtually condemned me to hell, and claimed Obama was spawned "from the depths of hell", and has stalked me with his juvenile taunting for nearly two years.
But, by all means, don't let me distract you from your essay on "Why I, Shawn228, Voted For McCain". It's very interesting.
Jer
"Why I, Jer..K, voted for Obama."
September 4, 2009 - 10:10 ET by Sergeant ROCKSince you've managed to avoid addressing the subject of this thread with your incessant whining, maybe you could explain your vote for Obama?
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Hey genius... I addressed
September 4, 2009 - 10:22 ET by JerHey genius...
I addressed the subject of the thread, reasonably and cogently. Check it out.
It's your troll buddies who then derailed it. Here's a news flash: Explaining one's vote last November is NOT the subject of this thread. Geez. Your level of reading comprehension is even lower than I thought. And back when you completely mangled and misrepresented your Mike Malloy allegation against me, it was already at ROCK bottom.
Jer
Jer..K.. the apologist
September 4, 2009 - 10:29 ET by Sergeant ROCKSure you did. You discarded the reports that it was indeed a political speech with your 'if' defense. If it wasn't, why is the Whitehouse now saying that the 'original lesson plan was inartfully written'? You are such a partisan hack. Your head is so far up Obama's @ss it ain't funny.
You may now continue on with your incessant whining... jack@ss.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
insults?
September 4, 2009 - 10:33 ET by AgnosticI didn't come here to defend another poster but you should at least make since if you are going to attack someone - especially doing in such a childish manner.
There is a difference between the speech and the lesson plan. The lesson plan was idiotic and the speech kept secret - both mistakes.
A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections
whining?
September 4, 2009 - 10:35 ET by Sergeant ROCKThis should go wiithout saying.. but to be clear, you know what you can do with your sanctimonious claptrap?
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
sanctimonious
September 4, 2009 - 10:45 ET by AgnosticI was in the Navy so I never had a Sergeant but my Chiefs never used words like sanctimonious. Good one!
All I'm saying is that isn't necessarily the best display of values to kick someone who is already being worked over by three or four people - especially in a demeaning manner.
As for what I'm supposed to do with the claptrap? Not anatomically possible.
A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections
Mushy Moderate?
September 4, 2009 - 11:04 ET by Sergeant ROCKI do not care about the egos or the hurt feelings of my enemies.
However, you may fill out this form if you like.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Well aware of your record
September 4, 2009 - 10:51 ET by JerWell aware of your record for civility [actually lack thereof]...I would guess you want Agnostic to jam his "sanctimonious claptrap" up Obama's a$$ alongside my head?
Jer
Sarge just throw him some
September 4, 2009 - 12:04 ET by Dan The Man 2Sarge just throw him some cheese every now and then to go with his whining. I have some extra. Jer is polite up to a point but to me seems like the sickly sweet smell a venus fly trap uses for its prey.
Mmmm... cheese..
September 4, 2009 - 12:11 ET by Sergeant ROCKOf course, he feigns civility in the hopes of dividing the opposition - See? conservatives are mean.. WAAAHH!
Pffttbb! I couldn't give a hoot about the whiner's hurt feelings.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Here's the deal, Dan and
September 4, 2009 - 12:27 ET by JerHere's the deal, Dan and Rock....
I am civil as long as others are civil with me. I don't initiate attacks. I'm a big believer in cordial, productive debate. But when someone starts the flaming and name-calling, I refuse to just lie down and be stomped on. Clear enough?
Jer
Liar...............................
September 6, 2009 - 05:03 ET by old croBaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
~Actually, old cro
September 6, 2009 - 08:54 ET by choselife3xHe's not. So either debate him with facts, or admit you have none.
Either way, stop with the schoolyard taunts. Hiding behind the big boys sticking your tongue out just makes you look a fool.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
I can give you numerous examples of...........
September 7, 2009 - 04:39 ET by old crojer getting personal with posters while losing the argument, but I refuse to waste my time. Who the h*ll are you to tell me what to do and using your amateur psychology on my reasons for doing it. You know nothing of the history of our disagreements (unless you have read every post at NB). If you call my posting "hiding behind the big boys" your as mindnumbed and misinformed as jer is. So be it.
The more I think about your comment.......
September 7, 2009 - 04:53 ET by old crothe more it just p***es me off. Who, pray tell, are the "big boys"? Do you think I may be allowed to play with them when I grow up? Were you taunted this way in school because you sure seem familiar with "schoolyard taunting"? If I look the fool, it won't be anything new to me and I've learned to live with it, have you? Maybe I should ask you for an apology, Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
~
September 7, 2009 - 09:15 ET by choselife3x"schoolyard taunting"
Do adults make animal noises at each other? Seriously.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
I also feel bad later if I...........
September 7, 2009 - 05:05 ET by old crowas possibly harsh in my reply, so here is one example of a round with your cause du juor, jer. http://newsbusters.o...
I don't know how to link to the exact spot, so you will have to look. See if you can find an apology while your there :)
~Linking to the exact spot
September 7, 2009 - 08:31 ET by choselife3xAn easy way is to right-click on the subject line of the comment you want. When the little menu pops up, click on 'copy link location'. Then paste that into the link box. In order to get the link box, highlight the word/phrase you want to embed it in and the little icon that looks like a chain link (see below, bottom right) will activate. Click on it and the link box will pop up. The little line below that in the link box gives you the option to make the linked comment show up in a new window when clicked on (rather than the one they're in), which makes it easier for the people who click on the link. They can just close the new window rather than having to hit the back button to go back to where they were.
As for the rest of it: Jer was being goaded by three other people when you jumped in to make animal noises at him. You had nothing to say till he was already surrounded by others. All of you were taking advantage of the pack mentality to behave shamefully towards a fellow NBer of good standing.
As for your link, it's a perfect example of Jer acting like Jer. As in, he retains his temper even when pushed. You interjected "And your friggin point is?" after his remark to butler. You were obviously aggressive and he responded with restraint. You kept pushing him with 'weasel words', 'your little world', 'you're hiding', 'bleeding heart liberal'..and he still remained polite. When you said you were leaving and it was nice arguing with him he said "Thank you..talk to you later". He couldn't have been more polite; what was your point?
Seriously, try to look at it objectively. Just because you don't like his politics doesn't mean he's a bad person that should be disrespected. There are plenty of foul liberal trolls that fully deserve the treatment Jer received the other night. Jer, on the other hand, has always been respectful and courteous here. That doesn't mean he won't part your hair for you if you get out of line. He has as much manly pride as the next guy and he isn't going to be anyone's doormat. Try to look at it from his perspective. Please.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
These are the reasons I visit this site...........
September 7, 2009 - 14:28 ET by old cro1. To become more informed of the world around me.
2. For an occasional chuckle over some of the sayings the more wittier posters have.
3. To vent my frustration at the cruel world around me.
4. To ridicule liberals.
Not in any particular order. You are defending someone who does not believe there is political bias involved when news stories omit the (D) next to any democrats involved in any scandal. All I asked was what his friggin point was and he proceeded to personalize his attack of me. That is one of the reasons I called him a liar. That and because he is one. Again, you inject your phsycological reasoning of my Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa to animal sounds when that history clearly is between us two. I clearly explained to jer and apologized when I wanted him to "back off" and my keyboard stuck after the a. I had trouble with the k on that keyboard, as I recall. It seemed like it always threw in an extra k when typing jer's name. Or sometimes it left it out all together. Oh, and another point, I don't come here for popularity and to run with the "big boys" as you call them. I could give a f*** what the "big dogs" do and say since it doesn't mean a hill of beans what two people on NB says, and I've already said enough.
old cro and chose
September 7, 2009 - 14:34 ET by shawn228Why don't you guys take it here?
"I swear sometimes the self-appointed moral police are as obnoxious and demanding of big government interference as "environmentalist" gun control advocates, labor unions and trial lawyers"~fitzfong
~Thank you
September 7, 2009 - 14:39 ET by choselife3xYou just illustrated your maturity even more clearly by addressing my points and not attempting to deflect with half-@ssed excuses and lame justifications. Congratulations.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Sarge,
September 4, 2009 - 10:27 ET by AgnosticNo offense but Jer's reason for voting is not the point of this thread either.
About the thread, I would not have minded a speech but the original lesson plan was an asinine attempt by the administration to personalize his message and therefore sell the Obama brand of politics to school children. To follow that by refusing to make public the content of his speech was a bad political move especially considering even SOTU speeches are made public ahead of time.
A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections
The point was..
September 4, 2009 - 10:33 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. that Jer..K was whining about another poster opining how HE voted which, obviously, greatly offended the Obama worshipper in question.
Of course, the 'original' lesson plan was political. But, this Obama follower can't bring himself to admit it in spite of the evidence to the contrary.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
original is unknow factor
September 4, 2009 - 10:42 ET by AgnosticI read the thread but thank you for the update. Unfortunately I read the entire thread as it went severely off track and considering the attack (to be expected when a liberal posts on a conservative board) is not exactly a bastion of intellectual debate I don't understand the need to for degenerate the situation further with - and I can't believe I'm actually having to type this word - name-calling.
While I agree taken as a whole the lesson plan and the speech were meant to be a call for political support I have seen no evidence that the speech itself was or is political in nature. That said, President Obama has had a harder time lately keeping the illusion of being moderate alive.
A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections
Don't be too concerned,
September 4, 2009 - 11:29 ET by JerDon't be too concerned, Agnostic...
Ever since I completely demolished Sarge's attempted smear of me last year with irrefutable, documented proof of my condemnation of Mike Malloy, he occasionally launches into these spittle-laced tirades and name-calling frenzies thinking it will somehow assuage his guilt for being so utterly humiliated.
I suppose it does provide some sort of therapeutic release for him. Keeps his brain from completely exploding.
Jer
Jer..K.. lol.. please!
September 4, 2009 - 11:38 ET by Sergeant ROCKYou didn't do any such thing. What you did say was that a long time ago that you, sort of, condemned one instance of his weirdo comments and that this condemnation therefore gives you a pass to condemn present and future remarks by this nut.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
That is absolutely
September 4, 2009 - 11:41 ET by JerThat is absolutely absurd...even for you Sarge. Read it and weep, bud. Your memory is non-existent.
Jer
Nope.. Jer..K.. like all liberals..
September 4, 2009 - 12:04 ET by Sergeant ROCK..you're a fraud, liar and partisan hack. Fact is, that you spent a great deal of time and effort avoiding condemnation of the most RECENT absurdity spewed by your buddy by stamping your feet and hollering about how you, sort of, condemned a past statement made by your brother-in-arms therefore avoiding a direct condemnation of the most recent statement.
You play that game all of the time - like you're doing now about the changed/revised 'lesson plan'.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Sarge... Don't lie son.
September 4, 2009 - 12:13 ET by JerSarge...
Don't lie son. It's very unbecoming. I guess I'll have to reproduce the thread to remind you how your baseless charges were thoroughly and embarrassingly refuted.
"Sort of condemned" his past statement. I called for his ass to be fired, dimwit. I wasn't even aware of the more recent statement. You were trying to smear me for something I hadn't even seen yet. Face it, you got schooled. Man alive, you are dense.
Jer
Dodge.. Parry.. Divert..
September 4, 2009 - 12:21 ET by Sergeant ROCKSure you did, way back when. If that's the case though, why did you go 'round and 'round avoiding condemnation of his most recent remarks? It wasn't until after a lot of badgering that you even commented about it. Instead, like now, you divert.
Whitehouse changed the 'lesson plan'. Still no comment from the resident apologist that promised to 'go away'. What a liar.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
~Maybe
September 4, 2009 - 12:26 ET by choselife3xWe could simply prove him wrong. If he's busy responding to a bunch of name-calling he's not actually trying to prove his case. You're making him jump around too much. It's spoiling my aim. DUCK!
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Here is what is happening.
September 4, 2009 - 12:34 ET by Dan The Man 2Here is what is happening.
It's categorically
September 4, 2009 - 12:57 ET by Jersorry for the double posting.
Gotta run out for awhile.
BTW, Sarge even in the midst of being verbally pummeled, I do appreciate good humor. That "whiner" form you posted earlier was funny as hell.
Jer
I hear you..
September 4, 2009 - 12:35 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. like I said though, that's his tactic. He's more worried about his hurt feelings and ego, being the smartest poster ever on NB (in fact, being called out of retirement no less..), than to address the indefensible positions of his ilk.
However, you should note that you cannot reason with the unreasonable. Why bother?
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
It's categorically
September 4, 2009 - 12:35 ET by JerIt's categorically impossible for Sarge to prove me wrong about Malloy. He knows that, but is hoping his ideological allies will rally around his reality-warped version anyway. His reliance on name-calling just makes him feel like a tough-guy.
Jer
~Wow
September 4, 2009 - 12:53 ET by choselife3xThat was a weird little series of doubles.
Guys: I have every faith in Jer's integrity. I believe that he will look at the facts and be honest in his appraisal of them. As for being partisan, aren't we all? I think if he simply admitted we were right all the time, not only would this be significantly less interesting, but he wouldn't be a Democrat.
Jer:
1. This is the only time that the White House has ever worked with the DOE to put together a lesson plan geared around a President's speech. Is that a fact?
2. The lesson plan is worded to encourage the children to seek to please and obey Obama (and secondarily, elected officials) Is that a fact?
3. Does that strike you as inappropriate, regardless of political affiliation?
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
I hear you..
September 4, 2009 - 12:36 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. like I said though, that's his tactic. He's more worried about his hurt feelings and ego, being the smartest poster ever on NB (in fact, being called out of retirement no less..), than to address the indefensible positions of his ilk.
However, you should note that you cannot reason with the unreasonable. Why bother?
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Here is what is happening.
September 4, 2009 - 12:37 ET by Dan The Man 2Here is what is happening.
I hear you..
September 4, 2009 - 12:39 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. like I said though, that's his tactic. He's more worried about his hurt feelings and ego, being the smartest poster ever on NB (in fact, being called out of retirement no less..), than to address the indefensible positions of his ilk.
However, you should note that you cannot reason with the unreasonable. Why bother?
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
To all of the above, not
September 4, 2009 - 12:57 ET by QueenMumTo all of the above, not just SargeantRock: I'm sure this isn't the sort of dialogue Brent had in mind for this topic. I'm just sayin'.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
Boo,, Hoo..
September 4, 2009 - 13:04 ET by Sergeant ROCKI don't think he had defending leftist, partisan hacks in mind either. I've addressed the issue at hand, your buddy avoids it.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Wrong again, Sherlock...but
September 4, 2009 - 10:43 ET by JerWrong again, Sherlock...but what else is new. My vote for Obama has never been any secret, and Shawn had already publicized his support for McCain and the reasons therefore months ago.
His little narrative about it, during the swirl of the nonsensical and irrelevant crap being hurled at me just seemed so surreal--like someone going outside to water the lawn in the middle of a hurricane.
Jer
Jer..K's Fairness Doctrine
September 4, 2009 - 10:49 ET by Sergeant ROCKPoor Shawn didn't get Jer..K's approval before he posted. With you being in charge and all.
And your continued whining doesn't discount the fact the Whitehouse has changed it's 'lesson plan'.So, there was no 'IF' about it.
Feel free to continue whining.. partisan hack.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Thanks for your permission
September 4, 2009 - 11:03 ET by JerThanks for your permission Sarge...I can't wait to show all my conservative friends that NB's resident intellectual colossus has given me the go-ahead to whine.
Jer
~Hurricane
September 4, 2009 - 11:43 ET by choselife3xI love your metaphors, Jer.
If you gentleman will pardon me, I'd like to clarify something for NB's thousands of readers. (who may or may not venture into the war zo-uh, comment section)
The issue that so many conservatives find appalling is not the speech in and of itself, and not what it may contain. Indeed, I would wager that the speech itself will be so much harmless tripe. It would be political suicide to outrage millions of parents by aiming a political speech directly at their children.
The issue, is the lesson plan developed in partnership with the White House. It is well-known that the majority of teachers are Democrats. As such, many will go along with the program, so to speak. And a program written by Democrats, implemented by Democrats, about "helping" a Democrat, aimed solely at children...is just downright scary.The lesson plan's focus on Obama as a person is chillingly reminiscent of the kind of propaganda fed to children in a dictatorship.
Teachers can build background knowledge about the President of the United States and his speech by reading books about presidents and Barack Obama and motivate students by asking the following questions: Who is the President of the United States? What do you think it takes to be President? To whom do you think the President is going to be speaking? Why do you think he wants to speak to you? What do you think he will say to you?
Why is it important that we listen to the President and other elected officials, like the mayor, senators, members of congress, or the governor? Why is what they say important? What mindset are they trying to instill here?
What is the President trying to tell me? What is the President asking me to do? What new ideas and actions is the President challenging me to think about? Could they be any more obvious about building a loyal youth following here?
What specific job is he asking me to do? Is he asking anything of anyone else? Teachers? Principals? Parents? The American people? Translation: Is everyone else serving Obama like I am?
What do you think the President wants us to do? Does the speech make you want to do anything? (how creepy is that?) Are we able to do what President Obama is asking of us? (ditto) What would you like to tell the President? (boy oh boy, don't tempt me) The whole lesson plan is ABOUT Obama. What he is saying, what he is telling children to do, what the children can do for him.
Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. (What can I do to serve the President? How un-American is that?!) These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals. (or what?)
Just imagine if Bush had ever done something like this. The point, is that children are being encouraged to revere the President personally, and seek to please and obey him.
If that doesn't make your skin crawl, it's on too tight.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Well, chose...
September 4, 2009 - 11:47 ET by JerNot a bad argument, except for that pesky fact that the "elected officials, like the mayor, senators, members of congress, or the governor" may very well be Republicans.
Jer
Jer I can tell you I don't
September 4, 2009 - 11:57 ET by Radical1979Jer I can tell you I don't want this kind of stuff spewed with Republicans in office either. We don't serve our elected officials, they serve us. At least they are supposed to.
~Ahhhh
September 4, 2009 - 12:01 ET by choselife3xYet Republicans have never suggested that children "should listen to elected officials". And Democrats never suggested it either when Republicans were in the majority. Those facts are such pesky things!
;-)
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Serve and Obey
September 4, 2009 - 12:06 ET by Sergeant ROCKHow much you want to bet that schools play that Hollywood video about serving Obama? lol
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
The problem is dear
September 4, 2009 - 12:19 ET by JerThe problem is dear chose...Reagan actually did deliver a politically larded speech to kids. Does that not bother you?
There is not a shred of evidence Obama has ever intended to do likewise in his speech. In fact, the evidence is precisely to the contrary.
Jer
~Will you show it to me, please?
September 4, 2009 - 12:22 ET by choselife3xI was *ahem* probably being chased around the yard by my dead mouse-wielding big brother at the time. Or something.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Still no response?
September 4, 2009 - 12:59 ET by Sergeant ROCKHere's one of Reagan's nefarious speeches to high school students.
Here's a list of speeches, etc..
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
There is not a shred of
September 4, 2009 - 12:29 ET by Dan The Man 2There is not a shred of evidence Obama has ever intended to do likewise
in his speech. In fact, the evidence is precisely to the contrary.
Actually there is plenty of evidence from all of Duh Ones actions and words hehad every intention of indoctrination. The "study" materials that have now been sanitized are proof he wants to do this. Duh One is acting pretty much like the most dire predictions put out before the election. And I imagine many individuals who said Duh One was going to govern, Obama said rule, are thinking much clearer now.
But those who have drunk deeply of the koolaide are still under the influence and not able to make rational decisions.
You can lead a liberal to trhe facts but you cant make him think.
Of course, there's no evidence!
September 4, 2009 - 13:01 ET by Sergeant ROCKThat's why the Whitehouse said today that is was the fault of someone's 'inartfull use of words' and changed it!
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
while you're looking..
September 4, 2009 - 12:34 ET by katainkentWas there a worksheet included? And was Reagan recruiting for a Classroom Corps at the time?
___________________________________________
We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. ~Thomas Jefferson
Obama Corp
September 4, 2009 - 12:54 ET by Sergeant ROCKBoy, sure are a lot of 'corps' in there.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
the page itself is no longer there
September 4, 2009 - 14:44 ET by katainkentit got yanked when people saw the creepy wording. This was back around inauguration I think.
I could make a tasteless joke about "hiding the corps(es)" but I won't :)
More evidence lost?
September 4, 2009 - 14:50 ET by Sergeant ROCKDamn it! Well, at least I can say I saw it. Unlike the Obama-aplogists who will declare that their ignorance of it's existance and the fact that it is no longer available is evidence that it never existed in the first place. See how that works?
Did you notice that the verbage was actually an image and not text? I guess to thwart 'copy and paste' by domestic terrorists.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
it was the word "require" that sealed it
September 4, 2009 - 14:52 ET by katainkentI think one of the bloggers here at NB documented it too. I kept the pic. I keep a lot of screencaps. I like my prtscn button :D
Ahhh...don't be naive, chose
September 4, 2009 - 14:56 ET by JerYet Republicans have never suggested that children "should listen to elected officials". And Democrats never suggested it either when Republicans were in the majority. Those facts are such pesky things!
I wonder if the Reagan folks informed the kids that the Gipper would be instructing them on the benefits of his economic philosophy. Or if they decided to simply ambush the youngsters with the administration's agenda.
But, surely they admonished the students not to listen to their elected official, i.e. the President. Riiight!
Go ahead, ignore what the Republicans actually did and instead wax indignant over wording, however "inartful", doesn't even imply the liberal propagandistic evil attributed to it or come close to the craven politicking by the GOP in 1988.
Jer
~Jer!
September 4, 2009 - 15:38 ET by choselife3xYou know me better than that.
Reagan made a speech to a roomful of high school students.
Obama is going to make a speech to all the (public) schoolchildren in America.
Reagan talked about the founding principles of the country to teenagers, no schoolwork about the speech was suggested by the DOE.
The lesson plan put together with the help of the White House asks the children (as young as kindergarten!) to think about what they can do to help the President.
Please show me the specific speech to which you refer, just in case we're talking about different things here. Thanks.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
I'll be glad to chose, but
September 4, 2009 - 15:51 ET by JerI'll be glad to chose, but I'll have to source it through MediaMatters. And you know what the opinion of that site is in this neck of the woulds.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/200909030020
Jer
if I may
September 4, 2009 - 16:22 ET by katainkentfor those who'd rather not give MM traffic - the speech link is the same one posted below and can be found at the Reagan Speech archive at texas.edu for Nov 14th 1988.
[edit] weird... the names these kids give of the schools. St Stephen's & St. Agnes. Aren't these private schools?
~That looks different
September 4, 2009 - 16:15 ET by choselife3xThan the text of the speech SR linked earlier. They do not seem to have a link for the actual text of the speech, or any corroborating sources for the information. Regardless:
The points of Reagan's speech addressed the American history of self-reliance and a less-intrusive government. There is really no way to interpret that as big government interference.There is nothing in there about obedience to elected officials, or what students can/should do to "help the President".
The thing about simply stating historical facts and commenting on one's own political philosophy (as Reagan apparently did), is that people are free to look up the facts for themselves, and make up their own minds. The lesson plan that started this, on the other hand, presumes agreement with Obama's talk (whatever it may be) and lays out a plan to follow to accomplish what Obama suggests.
All of my posts deal not with Obama's speech itself, but with the lesson plan put out by the DOE with help from the White House.
Jer, the problem I have with what Obama is doing is not based on anything political he might say about taxes or anything else. The problem I have is that the intent of the lesson plan is to steer the children towards trying to please and obey Obama.
Is that clearer?
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Here's a thought: Just as
September 4, 2009 - 17:19 ET by Another Dead KennedyHere's a thought: Just as Jim Greer admitted on Hardball yesterday that though he didn't personally write the memo outlining the problems he had with the the DOE's lesson plan, he's still claims responsibility for it, do you think it's possible that Obama is guilty of the same thing - that he let his DOE write out the suggested lesson plan without editing it properly? If the lesson plan was to be sent in to the White House in order to collect information about the students, that would be one thing, but I truly don't see a problem with the original proposed plan. People are giving this too much thought. We're dealing with children here, 12 and under. Chances are most of them are going to walk away from this with nothing more than a bit of excitement that the president has a message for them. Has everyone forgotten what it's like being a kid?
Also consider here that 1) teachers don't have to follow the lesson plan and 2) school principals don't have to screen the speech for his/her students. Not to mention NO ONE has seen the transcript yet. What do you think Obama can say in his speech, even in following the original plan, that is disturbing enough in nature to deserve such a reaction? And maybe I'm looking at the new version of the plan, but I can't find anything that uses the phrase "please and obey Obama." Let's read the transcript Monday, then overreact, er, react.
"If we love our country, we should also love our countrymen." Ronald Reagan
~Here are the relevant portions
September 4, 2009 - 17:40 ET by choselife3xI was referring to with "please" and "obey".
Students can record important parts of the speech where the President is asking them to do something. Students might think about: What specific job is he asking me to do? Is he asking anything of anyone else? Teachers? Principals? Parents? The American people?
Students could discuss their responses to the following questions: What do you think the President wants us to do? Does the speech make you want to do anything? Are we able to do what President Obama is asking of us? What would you like to tell the President?
Are we able to do what the President is asking of us? Seriously?
What I'm trying to convey here, is that this lesson plan creates and encourages the mindset of following Obama's orders. I don't care if he tells them to stay in school and say no to drugs. I care that the White House crafted a lesson plan that encourages kids to do what a politician tells them. It's the content of the lesson plan I'm talking about here, not the content of the speech.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
I'm going to move my answer
September 4, 2009 - 17:45 ET by Another Dead KennedyI'm going to move my answer to the bottom of the page so we don't have this narrow little text box to read from.
"If we love our country, we should also love our countrymen." Ronald Reagan
~Good idea
September 4, 2009 - 17:55 ET by choselife3xWhy can't all these text boxes just stay the same size, anyway?
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
well said
September 4, 2009 - 11:48 ET by katainkentand if I might add - if Bush had done this and even if the teachers had consented and there were no outrage (ha, that's a lot of if's) the teachers would have injected their own opinions at the closing. Similiar to the less than subtle opinion injecting my children were subject to during the election.
___________________________________________
We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. ~Thomas Jefferson
cl3: You are absolutely
September 4, 2009 - 11:55 ET by QueenMumcl3: You are absolutely spot on. Well said. It's one thing to encourage children to be helpful toward others in general. But it's indeed a foot-in-the-door kind of thing when they are led to believe that they would be better Americans if they "served" the President - whoever that might be. Children need to learn the simple truth - that the U.S. government is "of the people, by the people, and for the people".
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
~QM
September 4, 2009 - 12:03 ET by choselife3xAmen.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
cl3x my skin is crawling
September 4, 2009 - 11:55 ET by Radical1979cl3x my skin is crawling big time. Like I said though, I'd love to be there if they try this on my 17 year old. She doesn't like Obama, knows everything, and has no problem letting others know her opinions.
~Hi Mom!
September 4, 2009 - 11:58 ET by choselife3xDissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
"His little
September 4, 2009 - 19:37 ET by shawn228"His little narrative about it, during the swirl of the nonsensical and
irrelevant crap being hurled at me just seemed so surreal--like someone
going outside to water the lawn in the middle of a hurricane."
So sorry, did not know that I had to comment about the irrelevant crap to post
"I swear sometimes the self-appointed moral police are as obnoxious and demanding of big government interference as "environmentalist" gun control advocates, labor unions and trial lawyers"~fitzfong
The irrelevant crap
September 4, 2009 - 20:07 ET by Jeris what you did comment about Shawn. The thread had been deliberately derailed, and because I wouldn't join in with the hijackers, I was being gang-pummeled. Instead of commenting about the unjustified abuse, or commenting about the actual subject of the thread, you chose to post about "why you voted for McCain."
Jer
WAH WAH WAH! You should
September 4, 2009 - 12:33 ET by bretzysdudeWAH WAH WAH!
You should be grateful. We wouldn't respond to you if it weren't for your comments.
I really don't know the Heck your problem is lately Jer
September 4, 2009 - 19:33 ET by shawn228My post was civil and talking about why I did not like the job Obama is doing. Your post to me accuses me of teaming up with Shy and others. You know as well as I do, I hate pile-ons unless a person really deserves it. I like the fact that you came back, both times you said you were leaving for good and I still like you here, but quit with the victim bs unless it is deserved k?
"I swear sometimes the self-appointed moral police are as obnoxious and demanding of big government interference as "environmentalist" gun control advocates, labor unions and trial lawyers"~fitzfong
One problem shawn is that
September 4, 2009 - 19:50 ET by JerOne problem shawn is that yesterday you watched a guy totally out of the blue, for no reason whatsoever, adresss me as "pornboy" and notify me that he had launched a trojan horse attack on my computer, and your reaction was to essentially say hey no biggie. [It just so happened I had earlier received an urgent alert that my computer was under attack by a trojan horse and my data was in danger of being compromised.] There was never anything even close to an apology from the poster, other than to admit later he was joking. You apparently thought it was funny.
And then on this thread, you stand by and watch me get gratuitiously flamed for no other reason than I voted for Obama, and all you can do is tell me that you didn't like Obama either--as if I deserved every bit of abuse that was being heaped upon me.
At least, Agnostic, a conservative, was kind enough to offer some words of support and defense. Your attitude seemed to be, well Obama wasn't the right choice so you have it coming to you.
That's not the Shawn I remember from over the past two years. So I might ask you "what the heck is your problem, lately."
Jer
Jer
September 4, 2009 - 20:02 ET by shawn228First, I am saying that if JWF said the same thing to me, I would have been fine with it. I also stated that the fact that you were threatening to do everything in your power to get his banned from this site would have been overboard .
Second, most of the people that you say flame you, I get the exact same treatment from them. I have defended you before I just did not want to get involved in the argument today I thought that defending you was optional, not required in order not to get a tongue lashing from you.
Third, I don't like the job Obama is doing, so I thought I would mention it, I'm sorry you misinterpreted it, as me joining in the pile on
"I swear sometimes the self-appointed moral police are as obnoxious and demanding of big government interference as "environmentalist" gun control advocates, labor unions and trial lawyers"~fitzfong
No offense, Shawn...but you
September 4, 2009 - 20:25 ET by JerNo offense, Shawn...but you admit to enjoying porn on occasion and that fact is public knowldge here. That's fine. Calling you "pornboy" would be like calling Rosie O'Donnell "fatso". Maybe not so polite, but not entirely inappropriate.
Completely different circumstances with me, however. A guy blatantly claims [no sarc signs, no emoticons, no just kidding signal] to have hacked into my computer with a trojan horse and refers to me by a derogatory name. Maybe it wouldn't be bothersome to you, but it was to me, and I bet would be to most at this site if they were the target.
As far as the Obama post, it was just frustrating that you seemed completely oblivious to the flaming taking place over a tangential issue, and then proceeded to just casually post about that very issue--which had the effect of further marginalzing me.
That said, under the duress of a seemingly nonstop barrage of flak being directed at me, my response to you was considerably more emotional than it should have been. And for that I hope you will accept my apology.
Jer
Jer
September 4, 2009 - 22:49 ET by shawn228You know I always liked and respected you and no I do not agree with the pile on today, but I hope you understand that sometimes I am tired of all the arguing and I just enjoy to debate sometimes
"I swear sometimes the self-appointed moral police are as obnoxious and demanding of big government interference as "environmentalist" gun control advocates, labor unions and trial lawyers"~fitzfong
If you support Obama's
September 5, 2009 - 13:02 ET by NL207If you support Obama's policies, then you are not center anything. You are hard left to the point of Marxism.
So on what points do you depart from the program of Kommisar Obama that justify your 'center' label?
Funny...I don't feel
September 3, 2009 - 22:28 ET by Free StinkerFunny...I don't feel foolish.
Must have gotten numb to the sensation. Just sayin' . . .
Free?
September 3, 2009 - 23:33 ET by MrShySo I gather from this thread that Jer indeed voted for this man, huh? It's incomprehensible how anyone with even 1/4th of a brain could consciously go and pull the lever for this steaming pile of fraud.
Literally, if you're such a reviler of the conservative platform -- to the point that you can't even consider a harmless RINO over a dangerously radical and corruption-laden/associated leftist -- the least you can do is simply NOT VOTE, or vote Libertarian or some nebulous party. In my book, under NO CIRCUMSTANCES do you consider, even for a moment, voting something like this in.
The evidence was all there -- if you just dug a bit deeper than the mainstream media/news -- pointing to what a complete wreck and bad apple this guy was/is.
*shakes head*
The evidence was all there
September 3, 2009 - 23:35 ET by Free StinkerThe evidence was all there
Indeed it was. For the people who were paying attention . . .
"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media." -- Lowell Ponte
MrShy... I've noticed you
September 3, 2009 - 23:41 ET by JerMrShy...
I've noticed you have this peculiar and I must say rather unseemly habit of addressing posts about me to someone else. What gives? Do you enjoy smearing people behind their backs.
BTW...another sterling example of your tolerance of opposing viewpoints. You claim I'm mentally impaired because I dared to vote for Obama. You're a real piece of work.
Jer
Shy
September 3, 2009 - 23:43 ET by Free StinkerShy,
I forgot to mention, the other thing that really drives Trolls nuts is talking about them in the third person as if they weren't there.
Free Stinker...
September 3, 2009 - 23:45 ET by JerWell, I thanked you for once defending me against charges of being a troll. Have you changed your mind?
Jer
I'm starting to have mixed
September 3, 2009 - 23:50 ET by Free StinkerI'm starting to have mixed thoughts.
I could be wrong though. I have been wrong at least once before. (some would say spectacularly wrong - don't say it Mr.Shy!)
Im sure your thoughts will
September 3, 2009 - 23:57 ET by Dan The Man 2Im sure your thoughts will gel and the later ones will win over.
Dan... Will you please
September 4, 2009 - 00:00 ET by JerDan...
Will you please tell me where you posted the apology? You weren't being dishonest, were you?
Jer
Free...
September 3, 2009 - 23:58 ET by JerBased on what? Can you give me an example?
Jer
Jer
September 4, 2009 - 22:51 ET by Free StinkerOn the other hand, if (as advance reports have indicated) the speech--optional for students--is simply to encourage all students to remain in school, diligently pursue their education, etc., and is thus ideologically neutral, I fail to see any possible basis for objection.
Jer - this is an example. You're smarter than that. I know you are. You fail to see any possible basis?
I called my kids' school about this and they said they won't be airing the speach.
For the record, I would not let them hear President Sarah Palin make a Nationawide speach to them at school either.
If Barrack(or any President) was there in person, different story.
Just noticed your post, Free...
September 5, 2009 - 17:43 ET by JerJust noticed your post, Free...
With all due respect, do you really believe that statement of mine which you reference is an example of my trollish behavior?...simply expressing an honest and reasonable opinion and you disagree with the conclusion!
Does anyone...anywhere...agree with Free that my statement is a trollish comment by me?
Jer
Free
September 4, 2009 - 00:15 ET by MrShyFree, this could be one example of trolldom...
In just the last 5 minutes or so, these four Jer posts, begging to know of Dan's apology whereabouts:
Where is it? If you made one and I missed it then I owe you an apology.
Jer
Still can't find it, Dan. How about giving me a hint? Thanks.
Jer
Dan...Dan the Man. Hellooo! Anyone home?
Jer
Will you please tell me where you posted the apology? You weren't being dishonest, were you?
Jer
There are also a dozen or so references in just the past few days to what I called him one time, and he just keeps on reminding me and hoping for some apology. I could find them all and list them, for fun, but too much work.
If not a troll, he's a needy guy, that Jer.
In other words, you approve
September 4, 2009 - 00:16 ET by JerIn other words, you approve of Dan's ad hominems and his lying about an apology?
Jer
Free
September 4, 2009 - 00:24 ET by MrShyHave you come to a verdict? I mean, look at this. :p
really?
September 4, 2009 - 10:16 ET by AgnosticJust as many say about Obama birth certificate, if he would just make it public there would be no controversy. If the apology is owed then just show him the apology and the issue is closed.
A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections
Agnostic I posted an apolgy
September 4, 2009 - 12:10 ET by Dan The Man 2Agnostic I posted an apolgy and I think Jer knows this to be true. It seems what Jer wants to do is be the victim.
Telll Agnostic what else you've done Danny...
September 4, 2009 - 15:25 ET by JerYou absolutely refuse to tell me where it is...that I need to "go find it". Very classy, Dan. Only proves that if one is posted, it is absolutely meaningless to you. The only thing important to you is jerking me around. That's your entertainment.
Pathetic and disgusting. You may as well withdraw the so-called apology--it's null and void.
Jer