CNN's Morgan Asks Powell If He Felt 'Used' on Iraq, Compares to Libya War
As he interviewed former Secretary of State Colin Powell on Thursday's Piers Morgan Tonight, CNN host Piers Morgan seemed to suggest that the war against Muammar Gadhafi's regime in Libya was perhaps better run than the war in Iraq, and went on to ask Powell if he felt "used" when he presented to the United Nations the Bush administration's case for invading Iraq.
After asking Powell did he "admire" President Obama's "audacity" in ordering the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, he followed up with his suggestion that the war in Libya was better run than the Iraq War:
As somebody who was seen to be one of the more skeptic members of George Bush's inner team when it came to decision-making in Iraq in particular, when you see what happened in Libya, when you see the back seat that America took, particularly with troops on the ground nonexistent, when you see that there was no loss of life for American servicemen compared to the four and a half thousand or so that lost their lives in Iraq,what do you feel about the overall picture, the strategy that was adopted to get rid of Saddam in contrast to the strategy adopted to get rid of Gadhafi? The huge difference in cost not just to human life but financially to America?
After Powell argued that the situations were different, the CNN asked:
When you ever see footage of you selling that war with the intelligence, the famous footage, what do you feel? I mean, do you feel that you were in some way used?
Below is a transcript of the relevant portion of the Thursday, November 10, Piers Morgan Tonight on CNN:
PIERS MORGAN: On the tick box of his score sheet, some stunning successes in terms of foreign policy many would argue getting bin Laden. I mean, for you personally, you were at the start of that mission. Where were you when you heard that bin laden had been killed?
COLIN POWELL, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: I was in my home, and I heard the news, and I was absolutely delighted. This terrible person, and it was a marvelous military operation with possibility of something going really bad-
MORGAN: Very audacious.
POWELL: It's very bold. But those are the kinds of young men and women we have. These folks are good. They are really, really good.
MORGAN: Did you admire the President for the shear audacity of the decision-making of that?
POWELL: Yes, you have to. I mean, he could have decided to go about it a different way but he took the bold action. But that was fine then. But a week later everyone wanted to talk about the unemployment problem again. And so we've seen a lot of these evil people sent off to the hereafter in recent weeks, and that's good. And the President should get credit for it. But not just because he's the commander in chief, but, you know, which is part of it, but we have to give credit to the intelligence and military and other agencies of our government that created the conditions that allow you to go after these people.
MORGAN: As somebody who was seen to be one of the more skeptic members of George Bush's inner team when it came to decision-making in Iraq in particular, when you see what happened in Libya, when you see the back seat that America took, particularly with troops on the ground nonexistent, when you see that there was no loss of life for American servicemen compared to the four and a half thousand or so that lost their lives in Iraq, what do you feel about the overall picture, the strategy that was adopted to get rid of Saddam in contrast to the strategy adopted to get rid of Gadhafi? The huge difference in cost not just to human life but financially to America?
POWELL: I don't think the two can be that easily compared. We had a government in Iraq that was every bit as bad as the government in Libya. I remember so many western leaders and the United States were working with Mr. Gadhafi. And Libya did not have the kind of army or military force that Saddam Hussein had access to, and you didn't have that kind of leadership coming from the Europeans in Iraq that we had in Libya.
But setting it aside, the President felt, President Bush felt that we tried to use the U.N., we did not get satisfactionwith respect to Mr. Hussein's weapons of mass destruction programs. Our intelligence had it wrong, and I - more than anyone - presented that intelligence to the United States people and the American people and to the world. But it was wrong. But nevertheless, we went in and got rid of a person who would have gone back to developing these weapons of mass destruction in my humble judgment if he had been released from U.N. sanctions. I was hoping that the U.N. would work.
I persuaded the President to go to the U.N., see if we can resolve it that way because I thought if we can avoid this war and satisfy our problem with weapons of mass destruction, we should do that. But he had to make the decision, along with Mr. Blair and other western leaders. And so we went in, and we took out the regime.
My big disappointment - I fully supported that - my big disappointment is that I don't think we did it as efficiently as we could have. We shouldn't have disbanded the Iraqi army, we shouldn't have de-Baathified the entire country and school teachers. We should have put a lot more force in there so that we could have taken control of the country at the very beginning, which is what I think the Iraqi people expected us to do. And we didn't. And an insurgency broke out, and we failed to respond to it as quickly as we might.
MORGAN: When you ever see footage of you selling that war with the intelligence, the famous footage, what do you feel? I mean, do you feel that you were in some way used?
POWELL: No, I had the same information, the same intelligence material that was given to the United States Congress. The Congress voted overwhelmingly to use military force if it came to that, and they did that three months before my presentation. Everything that was in that presentation of mine was international intelligence estimate that the President had used in the State of the Union and earlier speeches that Secretary Rumsfeld was using, our generals were using. They were planning against this intelligence. And we thought it was solid, even though it was very inferential, we thought it was good intelligence.
MORGAN: When you realized-
POWELL: When I realized that a large part of it - not all of it, but a considerable part of it - was wrong and we should have known it was wrong, I felt terrible. I felt disappointed. It was wrong. That is the summation of it. It was wrong.
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Lybia to Iraq
Submitted by dmaley1714 on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 9:26am.
I think we should compare Lybia to how we handled Panama.
Powell
Submitted by HudsonRiverGirl on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 11:36am.
Powell should have been asked if he is happy with the islamists taking over Egypt and Libya.
He should be asked if he thinks we should just be standing by, leading from behind if you will, while Syria murders it's citizens in plain sight.
Does Powell enjoy watching Iran stick their finger in our eyes while we diddled around with Libya who was no threat to us, US, at all.
If striking Libya was all about oil how is that oil is now nearly $100 per barrel.
How about a question if he blew it in 1991?
Submitted by merly1 on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 9:41am.
Ending the 1991 Gulf War waaaayyyy too early. Was there a worse 20th century American military decision? Perhaps not. Why is the media always giving this guy a free pass. There were 500k of us there on the ground in 1991, rolling thru Kuwait and Iraq with ease, and in an instant this fool pulled the plug. George W Bush didnt start the Iraq war, he simply finished the 13 year conflict with the Husseins that he had inherited. Piers truly is an idiot, but he is in a pack of media idiots.
Look I think you're being too
Submitted by Semus on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 10:09am.
Look I think you're being too kind when calling these people idiots. That would imply some innocence on their part. In deed some are idiots but not all of them. Think how hard it must be to unquestioningly twist every story to fit the lefts agenda, and keep a straight face, that takes talent and courage. However some do it much better than others.
They're all traitors but the less intelligent of them only achieve the level of "Useful Idiot".
I wonder
Submitted by misterbee241 on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 9:57am.
if Morgan would ask Donna Shelala if she felt used when President Bill Clinton sent her and the rest of his cabinet out to lie for him?
Powell
Submitted by americanjarhead on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 10:33am.
So I guess one could say POWELL lied and people died.
As we don't have a Veterans Day Open
Submitted by FastEd on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 11:12am.
here's my tribute to veterans:
http://prezi.com/mjzrbjx2nxdi/what-is-a-vet/
"We the People . . " Hey, congress - I'm one of the people - start listening!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
John Stuart Mill's quote is so appropriate today.
Submitted by UpNorth on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 11:57am.
“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse. A man who has nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance at being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.” –John Stuart Mill
Succinctly put. To friends too soon absent, and those I served with.
Why didn't that Brit fop ask
Submitted by frank14 on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 11:26am.
Why didn't that Brit fop ask Powell if he ever felt guilty allowing Scooter Libby to go to jail when he knew his toady Richie Armitage was the leaker of Valerie Plame's identity as a CIA agent all along?
Fitzgerald already knew Armitage was the culprit . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 9:38pm.
. . . because under oath in front of a grand jury, Armitage freely admitted it was him and Novak confirmed it.
Cheney's toady Libby subsequently went to jail for perjury.
<sound of duct tape ripping off roll>
Submitted by motherbelt on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 11:39am.
(The signal of an mb rant)
MORGAN: Did you admire the President for the shear [sic] audacity of the decision-making of that?
POWELL: Yes, you have to.
Sheer audacity, my you-know-what!!
He decided to "sleep on it" remember??? That's also called "procrastination."
It just meant President Scarlett O'Hara decided "I won't think about that now. I'll think about that tomorrow."
And he knew that if he did anything but give the go-ahead, his presidency was DONE!
How is that brave?
Appearing on Morgans
Submitted by Bhaal on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 12:03pm.
Appearing on Morgans "program", Powell should feel used, like a left leaning tool.
The FenceSitter IS a
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 2:41pm.
The FenceSitter IS a left-leaning tool, so he wasn't out of character............
Remember this from Heartbreak Ridge?
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 12:37pm.
Colonel Meyers: Are you new to the infantry, Major?
Maj. Malcolm A. Powers: Yes, sir. Just came over from supply.
Colonel Meyers: Were you good at that?
Maj. Malcolm A. Powers: Yes, sir!
Colonel Meyers: Well then, stick to it because you're a walking cluster f... as an infantry officer. My men are hard chargers, Major! Leutenant Ring and Gunny Highway took a handfull of young fire pissers, exercised some personal initiative and kicked ass
I want to apply the same thought to Morgan.
Newt: Are you new to this show
Morgan: Yes, I came from America's Got Talent
Newt; Were you good at it?
Morgan: I think I was.
Newt: Well then, stick to it because you suck as a TV talik show host.
Wishful thinking
Nice thought
Submitted by FastEd on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 2:54pm.
but he wouldn't get it!
"We the People . . " Hey, congress - I'm one of the people - start listening!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Too late, Rick
Submitted by Model850 on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 4:39pm.
Sad to say, Rick, but it's too late for that suggestion.
Piers apparently thinks he's just peachy as a talk show host and political analyst.
Colinoscopy
Submitted by HardRightTurn on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 1:46pm.
Powell says he supports the OWSers. That puts him left of RINOville.
To more fully comprehend the Left, one must read “Leftism As Psychopathy” by John Ray, M.A., Ph.D. Caution, it might scare you a little bit.
http://jonjayray.tripod.com/psycho.html
The FenceSitter also voted
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 2:42pm.
The FenceSitter also voted for Boy Barry........based on 'race'............
I didn't catch that interview.
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 2:02pm.
I have little interest in either party so no loss.
However, I wonder, can anyone tell me did morgan ask powell if he thought we should go into Libya and without congressional approval and does the footage showing how the wonderful rebels stood around beating Gadhafi and then putting a bullet in his head bother him at all. After all they captured him and he could have been tried. It's not like he had a gun in his hand. Did powell approve of that as well?
NIce try, Piers
Submitted by ckc1227 on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 3:01pm.
when you see what happened in Libya, when you see the back seat that America took, particularly with troops on the ground nonexistent
Troops on the ground weren't nonexistent, genius. There were plenty of troops on the ground fighting to oust Gadhafi.....they just weren't our troops. I don't recall having that luxury in Iraq.
Morgan carries water for Re-Elect Obama
Submitted by Galvanic on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 9:45pm.
Allies of the White House have been equating the Libya operation with Operation Iraqi Freedom in order to suggest that Obama's approach was smarter and less costly.
But such an absurdity is akin to equating hitting a bucket of golf balls at a driving range to playing an 18-hole round of golf.
Morgan may or may not understand the difference, but he is an idiot either way,
Powell felt used?
Submitted by almostacowboy on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 5:35pm.
He could hardly get a knife in someone's back edgewise.
Right, Scooter?
If Scooter felt used, he can thank his daddy Cheney
Submitted by Galvanic on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 9:52pm.
He can also thank Bush-43, who commuted his sentence rather than pardoning him as Cheney had demanded.
Libby remains a convicted perjuror.
Libya ain't over yet
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 9:55pm.
They are talking about Libya as if they have a stable, democratic government in place. It's like the "Mission Accomplished" banner flown on the aircraft carrier for Bush.
We have yet to see what kind of government is going to be put in place, but I'm betting it's going to be an America hating sharia law hell. Of course for BO that will be a success.