CBS Panel Cool on 'Far Right' GOP Candidates, 'Bush Looks Like Abraham Lincoln'
As Saturday's The Early Show on CBS hosted John Avlon of the Daily Beast and conservative commentator Margaret Hoover for a discussion of Texas Governor Rick Perry and other GOP presidential candidates, both guests had skeptical views of the current field, with Avlon finding some of Perry's recent statements "sort of irresponsible," and quipping that "George Bush looks like Abraham Lincoln compared to the whole crowd right now."
Co-host Rebecca Jarvis asserted that, after the primaries, the candidates "have to take this serious left turn in order to get some of the independents, and that's going to be a major issue for some of the front-runners in this campaign right now."
Avlon agreed that the GOP candidates are "far right": "That is a fundamental problem with the Republican Party that has moved from center right to far right, increasingly, and, look, independent voters are 40 percent of the electorate, the largest and the fastest growing segment. So this isn't just some, you know, demographic group you got to appeal to."
The Daily Beast columnist failed to note that polls typically find that, while the number of Americans who identify themselves as conservative does not amount to a majority, they still outnumber self-identified liberals substantially.
Avlon later concluded that a ticket containing Perry and Minnesota Representative Michele Bachmann would be a dream ticket for President Obama to run against. Avlon: "I think they'd love to see a Perry/Bachmann ticket would be a dream team in terms of the White House's perspective. You know, the far right would get what they'd wanted, ideological purity, and the White House would get what they want, which is a team that would have a real hard time converting to centrist and independent support."
Even right-leaning Hoover was skeptical of Governor Perry, although she later suggested that Representative Paul Ryan would make the strongest possible candidate against Obama if the Wisconsin Republican were to run. Hoover: "The thing about Rick Perry as well, these colorful statements work fine in the primary, but that is exactly who the White House wants to run again because the more gaffes, the more colorful language that can take away from the story of President Obama's failing economy, the better off the White House does."
Below is a complete transcript of the segment from the Saturday, August 20, The Early Show on CBS:
RUSS MITCHELL: President Obama may be on vacation, but, as Wyatt (Andrews) just said, the campaign continues. And for that let's turn to Margaret Hoover and John Avlon, Margaret is a Republican commentator, and author of American Individualism: How a New Generation of Conservatives Can Save the Republican Party
REBECCA JARVIS: And John is senior political columnist of the Daily Beast ... John, I want to start with you in terms of Rick Perry. He really came out swinging this week, not only against the President but against our Fed chair.
JOHN AVLON: Yeah, he did, and I don't know that that's the best launch strategy for Rick Perry. Here's the Catch 22. These sort of irresponsible statements can play really well with the base, but they're Kryptonite to the general electorate. And so it raises real questions about his discipline as a candidate and his ability to convert support from the evangelical Tea Party base that Rick Perry has to being a serious nominee potential.
RUSS MITCHELL: Margaret, a lot of people are comparing him to George Bush, the, of course, governor, former Texas governors. Is he going to have a tough time attracting independents and conservative Democrats?
MARGARET HOOVER: Well, not just because he's a Texan or because of the Bush affiliation, but Rick Perry certainly is, embodies that Texas swagger that I'm not so sure Americans are ready to see back in the Oval Office. The thing about Rick Perry as well, these colorful statements work fine in the primary, but that is exactly who the White House wants to run again because the more gaffes, the more colorful language that can take away from the story of President Obama's failing economy, the better off the White House does.
AVLON: George Bush looks like Abraham Lincoln compared to this whole crowd right now, just say that.
JARVIS: This is one of the issues, though, John, I mean, you mobilize your base, the GOP base right now, and then for the general election you have to take this serious left turn in order to get some of the independents, and that's going to be a major issue for some of the front-runners in this campaign right now.
AVLON: That is a fundamental problem with the Republican Party that has moved from center right to far right, increasingly, and, look, independent voters are 40 percent of the electorate, the largest and the fastest growing segment. So this isn't just some, you know, demographic group you got to appeal to. This is the heartland.
JARVIS: They decide elections.
AVLON: Yeah, exactly right. So this is the problem. The more the parties become polarized, the more they become, and the primary process forces candidates to pander to the outer reaches of their party's politics, then you have a tougher time converting to a general election.
MITCHELL: Margaret, if you're advising Rick Perry right now, what do you do as far as the George Bush issue is concerned? Do you do everything you can do to distance yourself from George Bush?
HOOVER: Yeah, I don't think we need to, this election isn't going to be about George Bush, as much as Obama continues to blame Bush for the economy, it's not about George Bush. He needs to set his own course. I just think the Texas swagger is not going to play in the independent, in the general election. I think, too, what Rick Perry represented was wanting in the field, in the Republican field, and there still remains even though he's in an enormous amount of Republican donor money and establishment on the sidelines waiting for someone else to get in.
JARVIS: Who's the White House afraid of then? Who would they not want to run against?
HOOVER: I think,genuinely, I believe somebody like who has put forth strong economic policies, an alternative pro-growth message, somebody like Paul Ryan, who hasn't been afraid to take on the sacred cows in Washington and can show that he has real political courage, connect to regular Americans and a younger generation, I think somebody like Paul Ryan they would be more afraid of running against than somebody like Chris Christie or Rick Perry.
JARVIS: Are you saying we might see Paul Ryan run in this thing?
HOOVER: I think Paul Ryan is considering it.
JARVIS: Very interesting.
MITCHELL: Who do you want to see? Who do you think they want to see? Very quickly.
AVLON: I think they'd love to see a Perry/Bachmann ticket would be a dream team in terms of the White House's perspective. You know, the far right would get what they'd wanted, ideological purity, and the White House would get what they want, which is a team that would have a real hard time converting to centrist and independent support.
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Divide and conquer
Submitted by DontFeedTheTrolls on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 5:57am.
Rush needs to ramp up Operation Chaos II and get Republicans to register Democrat and push for Hillary in the 2012 election.
And what will that accomplish?
Submitted by Galvanic on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 9:29am.
Even a write-in campaign by Republicans isn't going to stop Obama from getting renominated.
The fact is forgotten
Submitted by KC Beach on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 6:46am.
Whoever (whomever?) comes out of the Republican primary will be running against the failure known as the Obama administration.
An Administration actively supported by the MSM
Submitted by Galvanic on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 9:27am.
The Dem strategy of the 2012 Campaign is already taking form:
1. Ignore the record -- it's too painful.
2. Demonize the opposition as one or more of the following depending on the degree of difficulty (or desperation):
- Out of the mainstream (the mildest description they'll use)
- He/she is another W.
- Anti- woman / children / black / gay / labor / immigrant / environment
- Extremists
- Theocrats
- Nut cases
- Terrorists, hostage takers, and suicide bombers
Will they succeed? I'd say it has a lot to do with the GOP nominee. The GOP has all the potential of another 1996 disaster because of the way it runs its primary system. The Dems have a similar problem in their primary system, but they aren't picking a new nominee this time, so they avert the risk.
the candidates "have to take
Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 7:04am.
the candidates "have to take this serious left turn in order to get some of the independents, and that's going to be a major issue for some of the front-runners in this campaign right now.
Yes, Republicans always have to be more moderate to be electable.
Liberals, not so much, because they are in the middle already.
\sarc off
In the meantime Obama is the one bleeding independents
Maybe they should push him to make a serious right turn.
Lincoln Was Leading the Radical Republican Party
Submitted by Avitar on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 7:25am.
Lincoln was without a doubt the most leftist President elected to that point in American history. Only Andrew Jackson had as much contempt for the rule of law as Lincoln.
I think that the Republican field should express thanks to CBS for their belief that none of the candidates will wreck the country and will live up to the standards the founding fathers hoped for. I realize that CBS does not actually want the United States to survive in its original state but that is what the citizens want.
When the so-called "center"
Submitted by billyjack on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 8:29am.
has been redefined to socialism any disagreement is now considered far right.
Dennis Miller "We don't have a problem with giving aid to the helpless, but resists demands to help the clueless."
Margaret Hoover is a conservative?
Submitted by Chris Norman on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 8:50am.
"As Saturday's The Early Show on CBS hosted John Avlon of the Daily Beast and conservative commentator Margaret Hoover for a discussion of Texas Governor Rick Perry..."
Margaret Hoover is a conservative? Actually, when she's on O'Reilly, she comes off as much more liberal than the others. Maybe she's a Republican, but I wouldn't necessarily call her a conservative.
You are neglecting to point out something important
Submitted by Kwai Chang Caine on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 9:48am.
John Avlon and Margaret Hoover are married to each other. Hoover when she is on O'Reilly acts as if she never heard of decaf - that's how hyper she is.
Thank you. I was waiting for
Submitted by Martin2717 on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 6:03pm.
Thank you. I was waiting for someone to bring this point up. How nice of the Early Show to have both the husband and wife together to bash the more conservative candidates. Hoover is NOT a conservative and her husband is a radical leftist.
Margaret Hoover is a RINO
Submitted by frank14 on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:17am.
in the fine tradition of her ancestor the Republican Progressive Herbert Hoover. If she had an ounce of shame she'd disappear instead of trading on that legacy.
Avlon, a true radical left
Submitted by celator on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:39am.
Avlon, a true radical left wing nut job, doesn't seem to be a bit concerned that the democrat candidate for 2012, a strange character who claims his name is Barack Obama, is an odd blend of Lenin's political views and Daffy Duck's executive ability.
Jon Avlon Wingnuts?
Submitted by mshipwreck on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:40am.
anyone else read his "masterpiece?" oh, it's fantastic. he takes on both sides, but anyone who's read it, knows where I'm going: to take on wingnut Olbermann, Avlon quotes Olbermann. to take on wingnut Glenn Beck, he quotes skinhead794, an anonymous internet poster on a racist website who said, "yeah, Glenn Beck speaks the truth!"
Jon Avlon is the biggest wingnut on the planet. *cringes when typing* Bill Maher is right, there is no such thing as independents. Avlon is a promoter of the "no-labels" party, but I have yet to hear him say ANYTHING even closely resembling a moderate conservative thought. He's a liberal. If he's a moderate independent, then John Kerry is a conservative.
Just compare the
Submitted by buddyc on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 2:11pm.
Just compare the qualifications of Obama/Edwards/Clinton with Romeny/Pawlenty/Bachman/Perry/Paul. There is no comparison.
Actually it is Obama who makes W look like Abe Lincoln.
Avalon and Hoover stink.
Submitted by Mozilla on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 5:36pm.
Anybody who is 100% against Obama and is going to do a conservative platform will win. That scares even mainstream republicans because it means Bush really did fail in his presidency. Bush was made to run to the center, which means be more liberal or progressive in stances, and as such he lost his base by the end of the 8 years. And also that McCain was no answer to Bush. McCain was even worse. So the people propping up Romney, McCain, Bush and others like Arnold in California were part of the problem and gave us Obama. So the GOP elite has a lot to lose in 2012.
Only problem is I am split on Rick Perry and right now don't like him. See him as getting in to Stop Michele Bachmann from winning. And his record is iffy. Lots of people against him on conservative websites. Lots of people for him too. I don't find him that great, but if he is the one that would win, I'd feel like I did with McCain as the nominee or Romney too. And that is lukewarm at best and skeptical. I'm with Bachmann or if I have to Palin and Cain or even Christie. Christie would be better fiscally than Perry. So I am having a hard time liking Perry. But it's early. At one point I considered Perry because of Palin's support. But the more I learn, and the fact is that Palin will jump in anyways to take him on, is proof that he is no good. Sadly, it is not that Bachmann can't beat Perry. But that Palin is one more option to beat him and Romney that might have tipped her to enter. Because we can't afford another Bush or McCain as the punching bag and a anti-conservative republican in the white house. We need one who is as strong as Michele Bachmann which is stronger than even Palin or Reagan on some issues. Only Cain comes as close. But Santorum is good, but his mistake was attacking Bachmann from the start and as such he lost a chance to put her base at play for him. Thus Santorum has no chance. So if it is between Perry, Romney, Palin or Bachmann then I'd be going with Bachmann hands down.
I like Herman Cain the best
Submitted by Martin2717 on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 6:16pm.
I like Herman Cain the best of the bunch. If he's still on the ballot for the Texas Primary in March, I'm voting for him. I still have a lot of reservations about Perry. Too squishy on the immigration issue for my taste.