On Monday’s Countdown show on MSNBC, as host Keith Olbermann and NBC News correspondent Richard Engel discussed the apparent murder of 27-year-old Neda Agha-Soltan by Iranian government forces as part of the crackdown against pro-democracy protesters, and the possibility that she will become the visual symbol for her country’s pro-democracy movement because her death was recorded, Engel brought up the infamous Mohammed al-Dura video clip from September 2000 and claimed that the Palestinian boy was shot and killed by Israeli troops – as if this story were not in dispute – even though many who have examined the case closely over the years believe not only that the boy was not hit by Israeli bullets, but that the video purporting to document his shooting and death was likely a hoax.
The exchange from Monday's Countdown show, in which both Engel and Olbermann assumed the al-Dura story to be undisputed:
KEITH OLBERMANN: To the point of Neda Soltan, I don’t know that there’s ever been a revolution, or even a near revolution, that did not have an identifiable face, a martyr, you think of everything from Tiananmen Square to Lexington and Concord-
RICHARD ENGEL: I was thinking more, remember Mohammed al-Dura, the boy who was shot in Gaza-
OLBERMANN: Yes, yes.
ENGEL: -in his father’s arms-
OLBERMANN: Yes.
ENGEL: -and who became a symbol of injustice? I think this is a similar moment.
But, as documented previously by NewsBusters, after initially accepting responsibility for the shooting and issuing an apology, the Israeli military conducted an investigation and concluded in November 2000 that Israeli bullets likely did not strike the boy. Additionally, other parties – including Boston University Professor Richard Landes and French media critic Phlippe Karsenty – have accused the Palestinian cameraman who filmed the footage and the French television station which employed him of perpetrating a hoax.
After ABC’s World News Tonight, the CBS Evening News, CBS’s The Early Show, the NBC Nightly News, and NBC’s Today show all ran multiple stories on the incident in the fall of 2000, including video clips of the alleged shooting, according to a Nexis search, it appears that only CBS’s The Early Show reported on the Israeli military’s findings as it ran a full story in November 2000. CBS’s David Hawkins: "The 12-year-old boy whose televised death has come to symbolize Israel's severe reaction to Palestinian violence may not have been killed by an Israeli soldier, the Israeli army now says."
On November 25, 2005, FNC’s Greg Palkot informed FNC viewers during Special Report with Brit Hume that the infamous al-Dura video may have been a hoax:
GREG PALKOT: Philippe Karsenty runs a French media watchdog group. He and others claim the Israelis couldn't have done it, that the line of fire was all wrong, and keeping in mind the French government's alleged pro-Arab bias and that government's links to the France 2 network, the critic goes farther.
PHILIPPE KARSENTY, FRENCH MEDIA CRITIC: It's fake. It has been forged. And it has been broadcast all over the world to create a whole sentiment of hate against the western world.
PALKOT: He claims people at the scene were acting. The injured father's shirt is clean – it should be bloody. The actual death of the boy is never shown. And a French correspondent, who first reported the incident, wasn't even there at the time.
Below are transcripts of relevant portions of the Monday, June 22, 2009 Countdown on MSNBC, the November 28, 2000, The Early Show on CBS, and the November 25, 2005, Special Report with Brit Hume on FNC:
#From the Monday, June 22, Countdown show on MSNBC:
KEITH OLBERMANN: To the point of Neda Soltan, I don’t know that there’s ever been a revolution, or even a near revolution, that did not have an identifiable face, a martyr, you think of everything from Tiananmen Square to Lexington and Concord-
RICHARD ENGEL: I was thinking more, remember Mohammed al-Dura, the boy who was shot in Gaza-
OLBERMANN: Yes, yes.
ENGEL: -in his father’s arms-
OLBERMANN: Yes.
ENGEL: -and who became a symbol of injustice? I think this is a similar moment.
OLBERMANN: Does putting the human face on this equation change it even in Iran, even in such a tightly scripted culture as Iran?
ENGEL: It, in many ways, does change it because I spoke to an analyst tonight who had an interesting point. He said, thirty years ago, the face of the revolutionary in Iran was a bearded young man, and now it is of a dying, young educated woman wearing a veil, unarmed, who was standing near a protest, and may have been associated with protesters, but it would be hard to call her a terrorist, and that is what the government is doing, is labeling them provocateurs and rioters and terrorists. And nobody who’s seen that video would have that association.
#From the Friday, November 25, 2005, Special Report with Brit Hume on FNC:
JIM ANGLE: The pictures were heartbreaking and helped touch off the Palestinian intifada – or uprising – more than five years ago, but there are fresh questions tonight about those images of a man and his son being gunned down during a fire fight between Israeli troops and Palestinians. The story from Fox News correspondent Greg Palkot.
GREG PALKOT: It's been five years since this vivid scene – a Palestinian man, Jamal al-Dura, tries to shield his son, Mohammed, from a spray of bullets coming from what journalist Charles Enderlin of the French television network France 2 said was an Israeli army position in the Gaza Strip. It was a report picked up by journalists around the world, including me.
PALKOT CLIP: This Israeli military post at the Netzarim junction in the Gaza Strip, 12-year-old Mohammed al-Dura was shot and killed by the Israelis while he was crouched against the wall with his father.
PALKOT: The boy's death became an icon for the just-starting intifada, a symbol of Palestinian suffering. But some now have questions.
PHILIPPE KARSENTY, FRENCH MEDIA CRITIC: Yes, and here you see that they're pretending that the-
PALKOT: Philippe Karsenty runs a French media watchdog group. He and others claim the Israelis couldn't have done it, that the line of fire was all wrong, and keeping in mind the French government's alleged pro-Arab bias and that government's links to the France 2 network, the critic goes farther.
KARSENTY: It's fake. It has been forged. And it has been broadcast all over the world to create a whole sentiment of hate against the western world.
PALKOT: He claims people at the scene were acting. The injured father's shirt is clean – it should be bloody. The actual death of the boy is never shown. And a French correspondent, who first reported the incident, wasn't even there at the time. Management of the French television network France 2 no longer go on camera on the al-Dura controversy. They say they've had enough. But the assistant news director of the network, Antian Leonard, did talk to us. He defended his network's coverage of the incident. As for the charge that it was fake, "Nonsense," he told us, "complete nonsense." France 2 says it covered follow-up Israeli investigations. Interviews with the father and others dispel, in their view, any notion that the scene was faked. But France 2 has sued critics, effectively blocking any formal inquiry into its coverage, fueling theories by some that the network is towing an Arab line. "If media is independent," says French Parliament Member Roland Blum, "it is important for them to tell the truth." While the debate over the al-Dura incident refuses to die, the intifada it may have helped fuel is thankfully over, as the people of Gaza focus on a birth of a new state. In Paris, Greg Palkot, Fox News.
From the November 28, 2000, The Early Show, on CBS:
JULIE CHEN: You may remember the pictures of a Palestinian boy shot to death while crouching beside his father. The Israelis now say they may not be to blame. David Hawkins reports.
[CLIP IS SHOWN OF THE AL-DURA’S HIDING FROM GUNFIRE AND APPEARING TO BE SHOT]
DAVID HAWKINS: The 12-year-old boy whose televised death has come to symbolize Israel's severe reaction to Palestinian violence may not have been killed by an Israeli soldier, the Israeli army now says. The general in command of Israeli troops in the Gaza Strip where the shooting took place nearly two months ago says an army investigation into the incident cast serious doubt that Mohammed al-Dura and his father, Jamal, were hit by Israeli fire.
MAJOR GENERAL YOM-TOV SAMIA, ISRAELI ARMY: That there is quite possibility that the boy was hit by a Palestinian bullet in the course of the exchange of fire that took place in the area.
HAWKINS: But the cameraman who took the now famous picture says Palestinian gunmen had stopped shooting and run away at least 10 minutes before Mohammed al-Dura was killed.
TALAL ABU RAHMAH, PALESTINIAN CAMERMAN FOR FRANCE 2 TV: Look, the fire, it was from both sides maybe the first three minutes. Then, after that, all of the shooting was coming from behind.
HAWKINS: Investigators working for the army based their conclusions on tests performed at a reconstruction of the scene because Israeli forces destroyed most of the evidence shortly after the shooting. Dozens of Palestinian youths have been shot and killed by Israeli soldiers during the conflict, but the general said only the death of Mohammed al-Dura has been investigated. David Hawkins, CBS News, Tel Aviv.
#From the November 28, 2000, CNBC Early Today:
JENNIFER LEWIS-HALL: Israelis and Palestinians exchanged gunfire today, even as Muslims marked the start of the holy month of Ramadan. Meantime, the Israeli army now says a 12-year-old boy killed in the crossfire last month was shot by Palestinian, not Israeli gunfire. The image of the frightened boy and his father caught in a firefight galvanized world attention on the Israeli response to Palestinian protests.
—Brad Wilmouth is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.




KEITH OLBERMANN: To the point of Neda Soltan, I don’t know that there’s ever been a revolution, or even a near revolution, that did not have an identifiable face, a martyr, you think of everything from Tiananmen Square to Lexington and Concord-














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I guess it's OK to attack
June 25, 2009 - 03:59 ET by RR GOPI guess it's OK to attack Israel nowadays as long as one doesn't question the Holocaust. I can't believe Jews sit around and take this constant Israel-bashing from the Left. But, come to think of it, a lot of them are involved with it because they are Leftists, too. Weird.
Also, if I let my child run around during a battle, or allowed him to throw stones at armed soldiers I should expect no sympathy but rather justified revulsion.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).
Do a search...You'll find a great deal like this...
June 25, 2009 - 04:15 ET by Army BratClose examination of available evidence shows that the al-Dura
death scene was deliberately fabricated, and that this fabrication fits
into a broader strategy of violent confrontation masked as resistance.
See for yourself...
Are the twits at NBC trying to show some kind of moral equivalence here? There is definitely a palpable increase in anti-Semitic rhetoric on the part of the MSM. It continues to increase with time. I wonder where it will end?
islam is a lie and Truth is killing it.
Re Anti-semitic rhetoric
June 25, 2009 - 07:18 ET by slickwillie2001Yes, there definitely has been an increase in anti-semitic rhetoric, and I believe that the old media takes their cues from the Bamster's administration. Our relationship with Israel is at a fifty-year low because of his irrational anti-Israel policies. The Bamster's policies wrt 'palestine' and Israel are giving a green light to radical islam in Iran and other mideast countries.
Re al-Dura, there is no question that the entire incident was faked. The 'palestinians' may have even simply shot the boy for the propaganda effect. That's very little different from strapping explosives onto a child and sending him into Israeli territory. The scandal here is not what the 'palestinians' are doing, it's that the West is too timid to reveal the truth of what they do.
Was, Sir. Was. Not maybe. Was. It was a hoax.
June 25, 2009 - 05:15 ET by JWFAmong the many many many hoaxes over the years.
Pallywood: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_B1H-1opys
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
moral relativism
June 25, 2009 - 05:36 ET by sudmufThis is nothing more than typical liberal moral equivalency.
I wonder how many civilian
June 25, 2009 - 05:47 ET by spmcintyreI wonder how many civilian deaths have actually occured in Afghanastan and Iraq, since the MSM seem to take a lot of time to make certain that the enemies numbers are heard, I tend to wonder what the actual numbers would look like if there was not a false campaign of lies being protrayed on the US and allied forces in the area (wait are there still allied forces there?) or did they all believe the lies and withdraw their troops
lies on this magnitude are akin to being bumped on the arm on the street, and charging the bumper with assault with a deadly weapon and producing to a camera bruises, cuts and bloody clothing
Radical Muslims will stop at nothing to win, this just goes to prove that they have no moral foundation, their only goal is to make us all Muslims, or kill us, they do not care how its accomplished,
there is no spoon...
New Topic for Richard Engel
June 25, 2009 - 06:07 ET by Red JeepSince Engel can't report from Iran because the Iran government won't let him back in, I have a couple of topics for him to explore while he is here.
1. How different would things be in Iran if they had a second amendment, and why it is so important to perserve the right to own firearms here, seeing what has happened in Iran.
2. How different would things be in Iraq if they had the right to free speech, freedom to peacefully assemble and the right to fair elections, and why it is so important to preserve those rights here.
Of course Mr. Engel, or any of the SRM, will never report anything that casts America in a good light so he and the SRM will never explore those questions.
Herr Olbermann is a firm
June 25, 2009 - 07:00 ET by nadadhimmiHerr Olbermann is a firm believer in "The Eternal Jew" as presented in 1930's German 3rd Reich. As long as just the dirty Jews die, all is well, huh Olbie?. Or at least anyone that opposes Dictatorial, insane religious leaders. Muslim' insane Dictatorial leaders that is.
After all, that Neda girl
June 25, 2009 - 07:04 ET by nadadhimmiAfter all, that Neda girl was probably a CIA agent or a dirty Jew herself, right Keith? Olberman is an anti-semite, a jew hater of the most rabid ilk. He is truely insane and will be recognized as such in the near future.
I was hoping Engel had more
June 25, 2009 - 08:05 ET by rimskyI was hoping Engel had more integrity than this. But he's following the script, right down the line. To compare the murder of this Iranian women to the death of the palestinian boy, allegedly from Israeli gunfire, is IMO a very transparent effort to downplay the violent and tyrannical strangle-hold that the Iranian government has right now on it's freedom seeking citizens, and instead try to inject Israel into this conflict as somehow being the only villian in all the Mideast. This constant beating down and lying about Israel is eventually going to cost us in ways we can't imagine.
Deuteronomy 7:6
For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.
I can't stomach these people
June 25, 2009 - 08:24 ET by DelsaDon't watch and will NEVER watch!
They have their hitler in office and are marching right along with him.
Engel and Olby; now that is
June 25, 2009 - 09:30 ET by d1carterEngel and Olby; now that is a pair!
Neda death
June 25, 2009 - 09:44 ET by trhugT.R. Huggins
Never will I accept any progressive "standards" as being moral or even legal. Progressives' standards change as often as the wind of opinion. I'm amazed at the sheer idiocy and potentially blasphemous
tripe that calls itself State Run Media. Were it not for NB , I wouldn't even be aware of the contents. I never watch such because doing so raises ratings. All things holy and good have been thrown to the SRM dogs.
Mohammed al-Dura - investigation by the French?
June 25, 2009 - 14:27 ET by Gary HallMohammed al-Dura. From an Oct. 3rd, 2008 report....
And, from a Jan. 6, 2009 report, French network apologizes for Gaza report:
Anyone seen anything more recent here on this issue?
(;~> Gary
Re al-Dura
June 25, 2009 - 19:40 ET by slickwillie2001This is from the same Richard Landes, a comparison of the two events that it a little more balanced: Revisiting al-Durah in Time of Iranian Media Control: http://pajamasmedia.com
This is from a couple of days ago. The comparison of Neda to al-Dura is ridiculous. It's like comparing a Hollywood movie to something that really happened.